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1408 => Room 1408 => Topic started by: IdleBoast on February 14, 2018, 11:28:20 PM
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Yet another tragic shooting at a US high school:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43066226
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-43066528
Shocking as that is, the TV version of the story had another shocker:
This is the 19th school shooting of 2018.
That's nineteen school shooting in only 45 days.
Near as damn it, that's a school shooting every other day.
That's insane.
The first year of Trump's presidency saw 345 mass shootings.
I cannot understand why the federal government is not doing something about this. "Thoughts and prayers" achieve nothing.
I know that all these injuries and deaths, all these suffering families will not persuade certain parties that their fevered support of unfettered gun ownership is wrong, but I needed to say it:
Seriously, America, what the fuck are you thinking??
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While many Americans mourn again and again over these totally senseless school shootings, we will hear the politicians hue and cry about gun laws and what needs to be done. Then reality will kick in, the huge amount of money the gun manufacturers and the NRA give to these same politicians will make the politicians soften their tone knowing after a time, everything will die down until the next mass school shooting.
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Counting up how much the NRA spends on campaigns and lobbying (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/oct/11/counting-up-how-much-nra-spends/)
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It's since been deleted.
Happy Valentine's Day.
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This is not the first mass shooting and it won't be the last. I have changed the title of this thread to reflect this and made it sticky in anticipation of more carnage to come.
When will our politicians grow some backbones and address this issue?
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Laws regarding citizens making a purchase of a firearm are a State function. Contact your State Legislator in this regard, and let them know how you feel.
One good idea is to find out details in the Florida former student shooter crime as to where did he purchase the firearm, to see if State laws were broken.
Or whether the criminal former student obtained the firearm in some illegal manner, as has often is the case with criminals, stealing the firearm.
In one case a criminal son, murdering his Mother to gain access to her properly stored firearms in her gun safe. She had purchased each firearm legally and met all the State firearm purchase and storage laws.
Criminals break laws.
We shall learn much more in the next few days.
Yet another tragic shooting at a US high school:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43066226
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-43066528
Shocking as that is, the TV version of the story had another shocker:
This is the 19th school shooting of 2018.
That's nineteen school shooting in only 45 days.
Near as damn it, that's a school shooting every other day.
That's insane.
The first year of Trump's presidency saw 345 mass shootings.
I cannot understand why the federal government is not doing something about this. "Thoughts and prayers" achieve nothing.
I know that all these injuries and deaths, all these suffering families will not persuade certain parties that their fevered support of unfettered gun ownership is wrong, but I needed to say it:
Seriously, America, what the fuck are you thinking??
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Laws regarding citizens making a purchase of a firearm are a State function. Contact your State Legislator in this regard, and let them know how you feel.
One good idea is to find out details in the Florida former student shooter crime as to where did he purchase the firearm, to see if State laws were broken.
Or whether the criminal former student obtained the firearm in some illegal manner, as has often is the case with criminals, stealing the firearm.
In one case a criminal son, murdering his Mother to gain access to her properly stored firearms in her gun safe. She had purchased each firearm legally and met all the State firearm purchase and storage laws.
Criminals break laws.
We shall learn much more in the next few days.
Of course.
Raping children isn't a big deal, why should killing them be?
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This is the 19the school shooting of 2018.
That's nineteen school shooting in only 45 days.
Of those 19 eight of them a gun was fired on school property but no one was injured, and two were gun suicides. That only leaves nine shootings that resulted in deaths mass or otherwise. Bashing one particular president or another will not help the problem, except to exacerbate lies between party divides.
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This is the 19the school shooting of 2018.
That's nineteen school shooting in only 45 days.
Of those 19 eight of them a gun was fired on school property but no one was injured, and two were gun suicides. That only leaves nine shootings that resulted in deaths mass or otherwise. Bashing one particular president or another will not help the problem, except to exacerbate lies between party divides.
Is that right?
'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-nra-money-20171003-story.html)
The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn't): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265.
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This is the 19the school shooting of 2018.
That's nineteen school shooting in only 45 days.
Of those 19 eight of them a gun was fired on school property but no one was injured, and two were gun suicides. That only leaves nine shootings that resulted in deaths mass or otherwise. Bashing one particular president or another will not help the problem, except to exacerbate lies between party divides.
Is that right?
'Thoughts and prayers' — and fistfuls of NRA money: Why America can't control guns (http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-nra-money-20171003-story.html)
The gun rights organization spent a stupendous $54.4 million in the 2016 election cycle, almost all of it in "independent expenditures," meaning spending for or against a candidate but not a direct contribution to a campaign. The money went almost entirely to Republicans to a degree that almost looks like a misprint (but isn't): Of independent expenditures totaling $52.6 million, Democrats received $265.
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While I will acknowledge your point of donations from NRA supporters are predominantly to the republican party, surely you can also concede that the last sitting potus did absolutely nothing to fix the problem of gun ownership either. Neither party is blameless in this senseless tragedy that has befallen America and the world. Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns.
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surely you can also concede that the last sitting potus did absolutely nothing to fix the problem of gun ownership either.
Here's why the federal government can't study gun violence (http://abcnews.go.com/US/federal-government-study-gun-violence/story?id=50300379)
Though President Obama formally directed the CDC to "the causes of gun violence and the ways to prevent it" shortly after the Newtown mass-murder in 2012, the chilling effect had already taken hold, and the CDC has consistently declined to allocate money to study the issue.
FACT SHEET: New Executive Actions to Reduce Gun Violence and Make Our Communities Safer (https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2016/01/04/fact-sheet-new-executive-actions-reduce-gun-violence-and-make-our)
Congress blocked Obama's call for new gun laws after mass shootings (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/jan/06/congress-blocked-obama-call-gun-control-mass-shoot/)
Most of Obama’s actions didn’t require direct action from Congress, which debated annually how to fund federal law enforcement agencies and had waffled on cash for a 2007 law to improve background checks.
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Criminals break laws.
We shall learn much more in the next few days.
That's nineteen school shooting in only 45 days.
Near as damn it, that's a school shooting every other day.
That's insane.
The first year of Trump's presidency saw 345 mass shootings.
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:facepalm:
You know what, I'm going to just say this once, because, in all honesty, I know the people in defence of the current state of affairs will argue ad nauseum against what I have to say, and those supporting change...well, I'd be preaching to the choir there.
1. Change your goddamn laws!
Right now, gun ownership laws in America are like a poorly constructed Frankenstein's Monster: nothing works because nothing fits. Laws need to be consistent, and if the states can't handle that, then it needs to be a federal thing.
2. Fix the damn gun culture!
Right now, this is one of the things that ruin the American image to the outside world: the almost obsessive culture surrounding gun possession and usage. Now, we (those outside the US) know full well it is a minority who do this, but it will always be the minority who ruin the image of the majority. To worsen things, of course, there's your...actually, I'll separate this out into a new point.
3. Dismantle your NRA!
I'll quote from the Bible, so that the point is perfectly clear: if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away from you. (Matthew 5:30, if you want a reference.) The NRA are America's right hand: the leadership (and some members, for that matter) have demonstrated a reckless disregard for the greater population of the nation they call home, and a paranoia that has long crossed the line of delusion. The government needs to admit they have a cancer affecting proper decisions being made, and excise it immediately!
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:facepalm:
You know what, I'm going to just say this once, because, in all honesty, I know the people in defence of the current state of affairs will argue ad nauseum against what I have to say, and those supporting change...well, I'd be preaching to the choir there.
1. Change your goddamn laws!
Right now, gun ownership laws in America are like a poorly constructed Frankenstein's Monster: nothing works because nothing fits. Laws need to be consistent, and if the states can't handle that, then it needs to be a federal thing.
2. Fix the damn gun culture!
Right now, this is one of the things that ruin the American image to the outside world: the almost obsessive culture surrounding gun possession and usage. Now, we (those outside the US) know full well it is a minority who do this, but it will always be the minority who ruin the image of the majority. To worsen things, of course, there's your...actually, I'll separate this out into a new point.
3. Dismantle your NRA!
I'll quote from the Bible, so that the point is perfectly clear: if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away from you. (Matthew 5:30, if you want a reference.) The NRA are America's right hand: the leadership (and some members, for that matter) have demonstrated a reckless disregard for the greater population of the nation they call home, and a paranoia that has long crossed the line of delusion. The government needs to admit they have a cancer affecting proper decisions being made, and excise it immediately!
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Thank you indeed.
We have to hold the enablers responsible.
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Don't agree with holding the enablers responsible. Recently a person ran through a crowd with his car.. Do you hold the car manufacturer responsible? Or maybe the DMV for giving the person the License? Why is it only guns that this way of thinking comes to mind. Laws haven't corrected the problem yet either as proven by the places that have the strictest laws, have the most crime.
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A gun is solely an instrument of death. It only has that purpose.
A car is not, and yet ownership of one and the regulations on one are stricter.
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Don't agree with holding the enablers responsible. Recently a person ran through a crowd with his car.. Do you hold the car manufacturer responsible? Or maybe the DMV for giving the person the License? Why is it only guns that this way of thinking comes to mind. Laws haven't corrected the problem yet either as proven by the places that have the strictest laws, have the most crime.
Firstly, have a look at the laws of the states surrounding these strictest states. The reason why the strictest states have the highest gun crime is because of the states surrounding them have extremely lax laws, which act as a loophole for those who want to get hold of a gun.
Secondly, my second point in my post is "change the gun culture". That's a responsibility on everyone, not just enablers. The same thing would be said if, for example, vehicular crime was high.
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Army of One. Extremely lax laws for the surrounding states? There still needs to be background checks and a process to purchase guns. What is being done withing the strict gun areas to the ones that violate the laws? Seems to me that the punishment for violating the laws in those areas should be to a point where no one would want to risk breaking the laws if they are to be effective. It seems though, instead, it gives the criminals the ability to break the law without opposition.
Athos. There are people that want to kill with guns, no question there, but there are also people that want to protect with them as well. If no one is able to protect themselves then that's a fast road to hell. That's been proven time and time again even back in US history with Indians.
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Criminals break laws.
The vast majority of them are not criminals until the moment they pull the trigger.
Your two examples (out of how many thousands of gun crimes per year?) do not excuse anything, they just make a case for background checks being broad enough to include family and friends (would you sell a man a gun if you knew his brother was a drug dealer?).
No change in the law will prevent every crime, but there need to be three simultaneous and active strands to saving lives:
1. Proper gun controls
> proper background checks
> proper "cooling off" time
> having to undergo proper training before taking possession
> random check of gun-storage by trained officials
2. Top-down action.
> no more platitudes from elected officials. "Thoughts and prayers" should be a banned phrase.
> get pro-gun lobby groups away from those in power. If you need NRA money and influence to get or stay in power, you are not worthy of being elected.
3. Positive media action.
> Cover more shootings in depth, not just the "cool" ones. Shove the whole gun-crime scene down the throats of media consumers.
> Portrayal of guns in faction should be negative, or at least realistic - think of the thousands of rounds fired in an episode of A-Team with not a single scratch, and everybody goes home alive and smiling.
> Exploit the moral high ground. Drink-driving used to be a major problem in the UK. It was considered perfectly fine to spend the night in the pub and then driving home, even after drink/drive laws were tightened, but media portrayal didn't just make it illegal to drive drunk, it made it immoral.
> Stop portraying countries with proper gun controls as weak, cowardly or "liberal".*
I'm done arguing this. As far as I am concerned, there is no excuse for avoiding better gun control at every level of government. The only reasons to continue with the status quo are selfishness and cowardice.
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* Seriously, genuine liberalism is the founding principal of the USA (it was the philosophy used to persuade the people to turn to armed revolt!), and personal liberalism is the only way any civilised society can progress.
Those here claiming they prefer personal freedom, that they distrust Those In Power, you are liberals! https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/liberal
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Athos. There are people that want to kill with guns, no question there, but there are also people that want to protect with them as well. If no one is able to protect themselves then that's a fast road to hell. That's been proven time and time again even back in US history with Indians.
Little reality check.
As of Feb 14th, 2018:
There have been 6,572 incidents of gun violence (including 3,142 injuries, 1,826 deaths, of which 402 were children).
Of those incidents, only 181 were occasions in which guns were used for personal defence (not counting police on duty, and I don't have quick access to data showing how many of those incidents in defense still resulted in injury or death).
So, what you are actually advocating is an almost forty-fold increase in gun use.
Yes, that will work...
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I have not seen much as to the origin of the firearm used in the criminal FL school shooting. Were any existing gun laws broken, as to how this firearm was purchased, or other Florida gun laws as to storage, and ability to buy ammo, etc.? If so, then prosecution of such law breaking is step one.
Any law changes should first address exactly HOW such a change would have prevented this tragedy. No prevention of the FL school shooting? Then do not quote this tragedy when proposing the same changes to guy statutes that are rejected time and time again.
Law abiding citizens who choose to exercise their rights, follow the law/rules, should not be held hostage to the criminal actions of others, without good cause.
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Law abiding citizens who choose to exercise their rights, follow the law/rules, should not be held hostage to the criminal actions of others, without good cause.
Again, many of them are not criminals until the moment they pull that trigger.
Why do you object to ensuring people in possession of deadly weapons are properly trained in their use?
Why do you object to requiring that deadly weapons be stored away properly (remember, children living in a home with a gun, no matter how stored, are four times more likely to die from a bullet).
Why do you object to proper background checks being performed before the gun is purchased?
IMO, anybody that expects to buy a gun on the day they first walk into the dealership should not be allowed to own a gun.
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A gun is solely an instrument of death. It only has that purpose.
A car is not, and yet ownership of one and the regulations on one are stricter.
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That's precisely the point.
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Is it against the law for someone, anyone, to shoot students at a HighSchool?
It is criminal behavior, correct? Criminals do criminal behavior, correct?
The individual is who shot those people, using a firearm, but he is the one who shot them, pulled the trigger, planned the crime, breached campus security, the criminal who has been arrested.
The particular gun was the tool he chose to use for his criminal act. Somehow he acquired the firearm, and used it in a criminal manner. The firearm is not the criminal, the perpetrator, the shooter is the criminal.
If somehow this criminal broke laws to purchase or steal the firearm, that is just further proof of his conspiracy to commit evil deeds. It is already illegal to sell a firearm to a criminal. A criminal background check is performed for most gun sales, according to STATE law, and a delay period, while the FBI provides such a background check, is part of most STATE laws.
The rest of your questions should be directed to your State legislature. Auto use, driving, is a privilege and subject to STATE law.
Gun ownership is a right guaranteed by the US Constitution for law abiding citizens. That is a difference, worthy of note. Details are up to the STATE laws.
Law abiding citizens who choose to exercise their rights, follow the law/rules, should not be held hostage to the criminal actions of others, without good cause.
Again, many of them are not criminals until the moment they pull that trigger.
Why do you object to ensuring people in possession of deadly weapons are properly trained in their use?
Why do you object to requiring that deadly weapons be stored away properly (remember, children living in a home with a gun, no matter how stored, are four times more likely to die from a bullet).
Why do you object to proper background checks being performed before the gun is purchased?
IMO, anybody that expects to buy a gun on the day they first walk into the dealership should not be allowed to own a gun.
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How did a 19 year old purchase an AR-15? They are not cheap. A person that knew him when he was still enrolled in school visited his home and said he was shown his gun collection. How does a minor obtain a gun collection?
One word: parents.
Like I said, hold the enablers responsible.
The politicians that take money from the NRA are enablers as well. Hold them responsible and vote them out of office!
This carnage must end.
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"...One word: parents..."
On this we agree. This man was expelled from the school a year ago. His social media reflects a troubled mind, what with Antifa and ISIS and Communist Party comments and posts.
Still scattered information coming out about him, and misinformation by media sites.
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Still scattered information coming out about him, and misinformation by media sites. [/color]
Instead of your usual false, histrionic rhetoric you could provide a credible, verifiable source.
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Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221)
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"...One word: parents..."
On this we agree. This man was expelled from the school a year ago. His social media reflects a troubled mind, what with Antifa and ISIS and Communist Party comments and posts.
Still scattered information coming out about him, and misinformation by media sites.
What sources do you possess that show the "media" to be spreading misinformation?
Will the "misinformation" become "fact" the moment they reveal he was a Democrat, or watched ISIS videos?
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His social media reflects a troubled mind, what with Antifa and ISIS and Communist Party comments and posts.
Dear Racist Doxxing Shitbag,
No one credible is writing that. Go find real news.
After Parkland shooting, far-right media immediately starts pushing fake news (https://thinkprogress.org/after-parkland-far-right-media-starts-pushing-fake-news-c063120a8e48/)
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Still scattered information coming out about him, and misinformation by media sites.
Instead of your usual false, histrionic rhetoric you could provide a credible, verifiable source.
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...or even one example of deliberate misinformation being deliberately spread by "media sites"?
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...or even one example of deliberate misinformation being deliberately spread by "media sites"?
I got that one covered.
REPORTED FLORIDA SHOOTER DISCUSSED “ALLAHU AKBAR” ON INSTAGRAM PROFILE (https://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/)
https://www.infowars.com/report-florida-shooter-inspired-by-isis-allahu-akbar/
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When will our politicians grow some backbones and address this issue?
When pigs fly. To decide between campaign contributions from the NRA, gun manufacturers, etc and the moral question of haven't the people of the United States had enough of this senseless carnage, take a guess which option most would pick?
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The terrible numbers that grow with each mass shooting (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/15/us/politics/trumps-inaugural-committee-paid-26-million-to-first-ladys-friend.html)
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"...One word: parents..."
On this we agree. This man was expelled from the school a year ago. His social media reflects a troubled mind, what with Antifa and ISIS and Communist Party comments and posts.
Still scattered information coming out about him, and misinformation by media sites.
It's amazing how certain types of media seem to get hold of mass-shooter information before the police or their families. They are, of course, relying on the immediate mass-interest to spread lies faster than facts.
It turns out that the "antifa" posts were actually about his desire to "kill antifa fuckers", and the "proof" circulating of Twitter that he is a communist is actually an old photo of a Frenchman in his mid-twenties, wearing a shirt featuring Stalin et al wearing party hats...
He did, however, post a photo on Instagram of himself wearing a camouflage mask and a MAGA baseball cap.
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Just on the BBC news as I type:
A right-wing paramilitary leader has stated that the Florida shooter went on training sessions with them.
The NRA gave $21 million to Trump's campaign. They are refusing all requests for an interview or comment from the BBC.
Trump is avoiding mentioning guns - he is making statements about mental health.
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Trump is avoiding mentioning guns - he is making statements about mental health.
He's an expert on needing help there, I'll admit.
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All I know is I felt sick all day about this. This is not normal folks, no matter how the NRA tries to paint it.
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It is ironic that Paul Ryan repeated that the gun laws on the books should be enforced better.
In that case, shouldn’t the Republicans stop opposing the creation of an electronic database for guns, mental health, and felons so that those current laws can actually be enforced?
Oh, I forgot, the NRA opposes such a move.
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There is already a database for felons, I think we all agree there needs to be more help for mentally ill.
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In 1996, Australia Enacted Strict Gun Laws. It Hasn't Had a Mass Shooting Since.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html
The USA, though, has had THIRTY so far this year, and we're only halfway through February! (Seems I was either wrong with my original title, or there have been more shootings that didn't make UK headlines.)
I came across this website when arguing about this elsewhere:
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/
Every time I check it, the totals have gone up (four more children and 25 more teens killed since I checked it yesterday).
If I was a patriotic American, that data would make me fucking furious, no matter what my political leanings.
There is NO EXCUSE for arguing against better gun controls, NONE.
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The NRA has blood on its hands, feet, and whole being.
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It is all Uber's fault, you know...
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Holy Shit.
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Kids are protesting and chanting "No more guns!"
I would rather have common sense gun law reform, but the way the NRA is heading we may end up with something more draconian.
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There was another mass shooting yesterday.
Anybody notice?
Or is a home invasion gone wrong not sexy enough to hit the national news?
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/1051291
The total number of American children shot dead this year has gone up to 443.
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There was another mass shooting yesterday.
Anybody notice?
Or is a home invasion gone wrong not sexy enough to hit the national news?
http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/1051291
The total number of American children shot dead this year has gone up to 443.
In Detroit earlier this week there was a home invasion that killed two occupants of the house. A third occupant shot back. Nobody was caught. https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/two-brothers-shot-and-killed-during-home-invasion-in-detroit
Yesterday, in the Detroit suburbs of Keego Harbor there was a triple murder suicide. Mother, father, two kids.http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2018/02/16/4-dead-keego-harbor-murder-suicide/345756002/
Feb 11th, 3 women killed, 3 police officers shot in barricaded gunman situation. https://www.wxyz.com/news/detroit-police-officer-shot-during-barricaded-gunman-situation
Last week, a police officer was shot in the head before he got out of the car.
Welcome to Detroit.
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Those incidents don't seem to be in the database I've been mostly referring to, which makes the "true" picture even worse!
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The NRA has blood on its hands, feet, and whole being.
Every senator and congressman who are blocking commonsense gun laws have blood on their hands. The gunman may have acted alone but he had help from these same politicians who refuse to pass needed gun laws. Offering prayers to the victims just does not cut it anymore.
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Murder via a 'school shooting' or any other Murder is a State crime, violates State laws. Firearms, purchase, possession, use, misuse, and use in a crime is a State issue, involves State laws, State prosecution.
School is a State responsibility, including security of students in a school. Gun free zones is a State declaration, and maybe local government as well, and not a Federal responsibility.
Gun laws is an area of State and Local law, and is written by State legislators.
Congress is a Federal body, not a State body, responsible to address Federal law, and Federal issues, not State law, and State prosecution and State issues.
Duh. What some Congress, or Senate elected official thinks or says is not relevant when it regards things over which they have no authority or control.
Want a change in gun laws in your State? Contact your State legislators. FL Governor Scott is involved and active, regarding the FL school shooting, and welcomes your messages. His office and the FL legislature may act, can act if any new legislation or procedures are needed.
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You are speaking nonsense again Joan. Only laws on the Federal level will fix this.
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Joan, you are a fucking moron. Deflect from the real issue. It is NOT a State law issue. The gun laws are federal.
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You are speaking nonsense again Joan.
It really is word salad as you said.
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You are speaking nonsense again Joan. Only laws on the Federal level will fix this.
Yes, that, and the fact that there are countless examples of federal laws, and federal Court decisions, that supersede state laws.
Roe v. Wade and Obergefell v. Hodges are the most obvious examples...
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Or one joan1984 really dislikes, Brown v. Board of Education.
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I know some KB'ers like to blame Washington/Trump for anything, everything, possible and you want to include local crazy persons using legally purchased firearms in a criminal manner in your agenda against anyone but leftists... Please think about this a bit.
The reason for your frustration, perhaps, is you are seeking an unreasonable solution. You may give up your own freedom or rights, but you may not give up your neighbor's freedom or rights, so readily. There is a process. Seek the agenda solution closer to home. Move closer to a location who believes as you do.
Vote with your feet. Move to places who restrict gun sales as you like. Places such as Washington, DC, perhaps, or Chicago, IL, or name your favorite leftist governed city in America, which may already have the laws you seek. I am sure you lust for such living conditions as these places provide, and will feel the safety there which you purport to require.
For a bus ticket, you can have it. No need to ask permission even. Just do it.
Each State has responsibility to it's own citizens, and residents, or at least exercises such authority, as to how it handles many things, commerce wise, including the legal sale of firearms and ammunition. One State will not sell a particular type of rifle, with particular attributes or features. Another State will sell the same rifle, including those aforementioned attributes or features.
How many bullets can be in a clip? How many shotgun shells may be loaded into a 'goose' gun. What firearms are not allowed for hunting certain game, in certain seasons, and what type of ammunition is allowed, certain game and certain seasons.
At what age may a State citizen purchase a particular type of firearm, say a handgun, versus a shotgun, versus a rifle. On and on go the State by State regulations as to who may buy what, when and where.
50 States, plus 7 territories and districts, whatever other jurisdictions may be our Nation's makeup, each controls its own when it comes to firearms, as well as many other items. 50 Governors, Legislatures, Councils, or whatever have created their own rules regarding ages, ID requirements, even background checks and other details. Each jurisdiction has elected, and reelected people to fulfill the duties of such positions. You can vote for them every year or two.
Yes there are Federal limits/laws regarding particular types of firearms, such as automatic fire (more than one round fired with a single trigger pull), and the use of Military firearms. Those 'limits' are closely enforced, licenses sold and so forth, and if you want a Howitzer for the front yard of your Veterans Club, it is possible... just not one in working order, etc.
It is not the job of our Federal Government to dictate much to all 50 States. The States have freedoms, YOU have freedoms, not given to you by the Federal government. Trying to short circuit local responsibility, and answering to local voters for local and State regulations and laws, by seeking sweeping Federal intervention is not the way our Nation is governed.
Nor should it be.
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I know some KB'ers like to blame Washington/Trump for anything, everything, possible
Dear Racist Doxxing Shithead.
You mean like you did for President Obama?
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I don’t blame Trump for everything. I blame him for making my taxes go up. I blame him for destroying outlr standing internationally. I blame him for not standing against the Russian interference in our political system. I blame him for the things he has done, and for the things he has refused to do.
I blame him for giving racists and neo-Nazis credibility.
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PRO-GUN RUSSIAN BOTS FLOOD TWITTER AFTER PARKLAND SHOOTING (https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-russian-bots-flood-twitter-after-parkland-shooting/?utm_content=bufferef09a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
It's all clear now, joan1984 is a Russian.
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PRO-GUN RUSSIAN BOTS FLOOD TWITTER AFTER PARKLAND SHOOTING (https://www.wired.com/story/pro-gun-russian-bots-flood-twitter-after-parkland-shooting/?utm_content=bufferef09a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer)
It's all clear now, joan1984 is a Russian.
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They've actually been flooding the internet with both pro and anti gun messages. The goal is to polarize and sow discord. So are you a Russian Athos?
I don't think so..
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So are you a Russian Athos?
That's probably the nicest thing I've ever been accused of around here.
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Supreme Court Rejects NRA on California’s Gun-Transfer Fees (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-02-20/nra-rejected-by-supreme-court-on-california-s-gun-transfer-fees)
The U.S. Supreme Court rejected an appeal from the National Rifle Association, letting California keep using fees paid on firearm transfers to help fund efforts to track down people who acquire guns illegally.
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Why Are You Like This?: Far Right Cooks Up Conspiracy Theories, Bullies Victims of Parkland, Fla., Shooting Seeking Gun Reform
(https://www.theroot.com/why-are-you-like-this-far-right-cooks-up-conspiracy-th-1823187717?utm_source=theroot_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
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Traumatized Parkland Teens Forced to Assure Public They Are Not 'Crisis Actors' (https://jezebel.com/traumatized-parkland-teens-forced-to-assure-public-they-1823196624)
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Did katiebee lock that other thread on guns by accident?
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Traumatized Parkland Teens Forced to Assure Public They Are Not 'Crisis Actors' (https://jezebel.com/traumatized-parkland-teens-forced-to-assure-public-they-1823196624)
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I do hope this conspiracy theory was started by Russian trolls and not Americans. Regardless, it is sad that any American would believe this kind of crap.
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Traumatized Parkland Teens Forced to Assure Public They Are Not 'Crisis Actors' (https://jezebel.com/traumatized-parkland-teens-forced-to-assure-public-they-1823196624)
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I do hope this conspiracy theory was started by Russian trolls and not Americans. Regardless, it is sad that any American would believe this kind of crap.
This image has been popping up on one of my Twitter feeds for the last day or so. Check the very bottom:
(https://i.imgur.com/Uei1EJd.png)
The account is now closed down, but it does seem to have been a Russian posing as a right-wing American, but forgetting to switch off the location.
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@TEN_GOP was shut down a little while ago. It was also a Russian troll bot.
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One By One, Companies Cut Ties With The NRA (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/23/588233273/one-by-one-companies-cut-ties-with-nra?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter)
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Florida shooting: Bullets flew for 4 minutes as armed deputy waited outside (https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/us/florida-school-shooting/index.html)
So much for good guy with a gun.
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To be brutally honest, I don't blame him.
He had a hand-gun and all he knew was that there was a shooter with something far more powerful.
According to an interview I read with an ER doctor, a 9mm wound is equivalent to a bad stabbing, but an AR-15 round leaves an exit hole the size of a baseball and ruptures everything alongside its path.
Some fool with an afternoon shooting paper targets and a head full of Die Hard movies is going to feel indestructible and would take on any shooter. Somebody with training is going to know what could happen if he charged in without backup.
This guy is going to spend the rest of his life haunted by those deaths, but if guns were properly controlled, and if gun violence wasn't constantly glamourised in the media [games as well as movies], and justified by the NRA, a huge number of lives across the US would not be lost.
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My best friend and site co-owner, she’s married to a deputy sheriff. Her cop husband said the guys that pull the school duties like he had are ones they don’t trust for one reason or the other doing street duty, and he, despite being 54, would not have had the response experience to be decisive. So, he dithered about what to do for crucial minutes while kids and teachers died.
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And again our politicians are doing nothing. In Florida politicians voted down gun reform legislation but declared pornography a public health problem.
We have a bunch of politicians that are more interested in getting re-elected than serving the people and saving lives.
Do not elect any politician that takes money from the NRA. They are only voting a special interest and do not care about American lives.
The majority of gun owners want gun reform like other Americans do. The NRA does not represent them. THe NRA only represents the gun manufacturers who are merchants of death.
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NRA lashes out at boycott movement as United, Delta and other corporations cut ties (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/02/24/united-and-delta-cut-ties-to-nra-as-boycott-movement-spreads-to-global-corporations/?utm_term=.6736072951ab)
Keep resisting. It's working.
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A Georgia Republican’s threat to Delta: Stop boycotting the NRA, or you won’t get your tax break (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2018/02/26/georgia-republicans-threat-to-delta-stop-boycotting-the-nra-or-lose-your-tax-breaks/?utm_term=.2b56baf52f07)
Apparently the First Amendment has been repealed in the Peach State.
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The NRA's concerns are with "Guns" not people's "Lives"....
They give the necessary crocodile tears for the shootings but then carry on as if nothing happens, further more the NRA (itself) has not assisted in anyway in coming up with a solution (any solution) that would alleviate shooting's like this one or the one in Las Vegas. If they want to so dearly promote and protect "guns" then maybe they should at least contribute to finding solutions that protect the public.
However......"they won't and don't care to either".
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I fear the politicians are too terrified to take on the NRA even though the majority of voters want gun reform. Therefore I think the best way to deal with the problem is state by state using the initiative process.
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Local, and State initiatives is where actions can happen, supported by voters in those local communities and States, I agree. The particulars are important, and taking actions that directly apply, that the actions supported would have solved the problem in the particular 'shooting' being discussed.
Many local and even FBI failures abound in the Florida case, and we are still uncovering details about some 49 local and State encounters with this murderer and his history. The school seems to have failed in reporting crimes which could have pulled him off the street, with munitions in his possession at school, for which and other abuses he was expelled, but not arrested.
As the inquiries proceed, it may be more institutional an issue than first was indicated, with political and Federal agendas supporting ignoring criminal action in his and other's history, by the School, County and FL Police.
Much blame to go around, as this murderer was allowed to slip through Govt hands repeatedly, until he finally snapped lethally, shooting 30 people. Some people may have bled out, as Police debated if or when to enter the school.
Sad. Much to sort out, beyond the inanimate object used in his crime. The NRA had nothing to do with this criminal being on the street, or acting as he did. The politicians ginning up the usual themes, against their usual adversaries, using the grieving children, are despicable.
I fear the politicians are too terrified to take on the NRA even though the majority of voters want gun reform. Therefore I think the best way to deal with the problem is state by state using the initiative process.
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Local, and State initiatives is where actions can happen, supported by voters in those local communities and States, I agree. The particulars are important, and taking actions that directly apply, that the actions supported would have solved the problem in the particular 'shooting' being discussed.
Many local and even FBI failures abound in the Florida case, and we are still uncovering details about some 49 local and State encounters with this murderer and his history. The school seems to have failed in reporting crimes which could have pulled him off the street, with munitions in his possession at school, for which and other abuses he was expelled, but not arrested.
As the inquiries proceed, it may be more institutional an issue than first was indicated, with political and Federal agendas supporting ignoring criminal action in his and other's history, by the School, County and FL Police.
Much blame to go around, as this murderer was allowed to slip through Govt hands repeatedly, until he finally snapped lethally, shooting 30 people. Some people may have bled out, as Police debated if or when to enter the school.
Sad. Much to sort out, beyond the inanimate object used in his crime. The NRA had nothing to do with this criminal being on the street, or acting as he did. The politicians ginning up the usual themes, against their usual adversaries, using the grieving children, are despicable.
Someone's back from mutual masturbating at CPAC I see.
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We studied thousands of anonymous posts about the Parkland attack — and found a conspiracy in the making (https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/we-studied-thousands-of-anonymous-posts-about-the-parkland-attack---and-found-a-conspiracy-in-the-making/2018/02/27/04a856be-1b20-11e8-b2d9-08e748f892c0_story.html?utm_term=.0e0b31f8a12c)
Forty-seven minutes after news broke of a high school shooting in Parkland, Fla., the posters on the anonymous chat board 8chan had devised a plan to bend the public narrative to their own designs: “Start looking for [Jewish] numerology and crisis actors.”
The voices from this dark corner of the Internet quickly coalesced around a plan of attack: Use details gleaned from news reports and other sources to push false information about one of America’s deadliest school shootings.
The posters on anonymous forums, a cauldron of far-right extremist politics, over the next few hours speculated about the shooter’s ethnicity (“Hope the kid isn’t white”) and cracked off-color jokes. They began crafting false explanations about the massacre, including that actors were posing as students, in hopes of blunting what they correctly guessed would be a revived interest in gun control.
The success of this effort would soon illustrate how lies that thrive on raucous online platforms increasingly shape public understanding of major events. As much of the nation mourned, the story concocted on anonymous chat rooms soon burst onto YouTube, Twitter and Facebook, where the theories surged in popularity.
Amid corporate efforts to beat back the falsehoods, the episode became the latest cautionary tale about how the Internet itself had become a potent tool of deception wielded by political extremists, disinformation warriors and conspiracy theorists.
“There’s a war going on outside, no man is safe from,” said a frequent conspiracy theory poster on the website Reddit, the day after the shooting. “And it is only partially being fought with guns. The real weapon is information and the attack is on the mind.”
A Washington Post review of thousands of posts on sites such as 8chan, 4chan and Reddit showed how people on online forums worked aggressively to undermine news reports about a troubled teen accused of killing 17 people, most of them students.
Former YouTube engineer Guillaume Chaslot referred to coordinated campaigns across online platforms to spread a video as “4chan attacks” because such anonymous forums often served as staging grounds for these efforts. YouTube and Facebook have policies against harassment that served as the basis for removing some of the conspiracy theories. But Chaslot said the companies have not done enough to weed out deceptive content.
The Parkland story line took advantage of emerging details about the surviving students — and even how they looked or talked during interviews with television reporters — to portray them as “crisis actors” playing the roles of victims in a “false flag” attack, a hoax designed to mislead the public and build support for gun control.
The campaign threatens to leave long-lasting scars on students and their families, who find themselves linked online to damaging and unsubstantiated theories in havens of misinformation across the Web. Survivors of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in 2012 and victims’ families still are haunted by these online echoes of their trauma, experts say.
“The parents and the families of these murdered children are still being harassed by people online,” said Joan Donovan, a researcher at the think tank Data & Society who studies media manipulation. “That is the legacy of this kind of harassment. For years to come, these students in Parkland are going to have to suffer this same fate.”
Parkland student David Hogg, 17, emerged as the centerpiece of the “crisis actor” myth, in part because his father is a retired FBI agent, allowing the “false flag” idea to merge with ongoing conservative attacks on the bureau related to its investigation of President Trump’s campaign.
There was little sign on the chat boards of any unease about singling out Parkland survivors and their families for personal attacks. Instead the mood seemed jubilant, with posters celebrating that the campaign had reached a broader audience of “normies,” meaning people who typically keep their distance from racist, anti-Semitic and far-right extremist conversation.
“Just wanted to say thanks for all your digging and research,” one poster wrote on 8chan. “Extra thanks if you’re spreading info or memes about this kid. It’s already breaking through the normie-sphere. KEEP PUSHING!”
Anonymous online forums have long incubated politically extreme, racially charged conversation with few rules or concessions to good taste. On 4chan, founded in 2003 and now owned by a Japanese businessman, such chats typically happen on the /pol/ — for “politically incorrect” — message board. 8chan, founded in 2013 by those who considered 4chan too restrictive, also has its own /pol/ board, where the exchanges play out under the heading, “On the jews and Their Lies.”
A person who responded to 8chan’s administrative email said the board is totally anonymous and allows anyone to “read what users are saying, unfiltered. . . . The 8chan administration is irrelevant and unrelated in this matter.” 4chan didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Reddit is typically regarded as more mainstream, but the individual message boards, including “r/The_Donald” and “r/conspiracy,” hosted harsh attacks on the Parkland students. The site in 2016 closed its thriving “Pizzagate” conspiracy theory message board, a leading source of allegations that a child molestation ring run by Democratic Party luminaries operated out of a Washington pizza shop that led to a real shooting in which no one was hurt. Reddit declined to comment.
Researchers say it’s difficult to know whether any single message board was decisive in pushing conspiracy theories about the Parkland shooting to prominence on YouTube and other mainstream sites. But Donovan, the Data & Society researcher, said far-right sites are increasingly capitalizing on current story lines to promote hyperpartisan claims, unsubstantiated conspiracy theories and media attacks in order to boost their audiences and advertising revenue.
“You don’t have to know the truth,” she said. “It’s just as effective to hint that a conspiracy is afoot.”
The effort begins
As coverage of the Feb. 14 shooting spread rapidly on TV news and across the Web, the posters of 8chan’s /pol/ board were among the first to begin assembling scraps of what they claimed was proof of a hoax. They criticized how the students acted, mocked how they looked and shared crude memes and photos taken from the students’ social-media accounts.
By the end of that first day, the conspiracy theorist Alex Jones raised the possibility on his Infowars show that the shooting was a “false flag” attack. In a later interview, Jones said he soon became convinced that the attack was real, even though he continued to raise questions about other aspects of its portrayal on mainstream news reports.
But the “false flag” idea rapidly was gaining popularity online. Within hours, “crisis actor” theories could be found in a surging network of YouTube videos, tweets and forum threads picking apart public information about the students and urging more intense scrutiny.
The political stakes were explicit. One poster on 4chan said in all-caps fury, “HILLARY IS TRYING TO TAKE OUR GUNS AWAY XD!!!!!!!!!!!” (“XD” is commonly used on message boards to suggest laughter.)
On 8chan, posters fretted over the potential political consequences of images the suspect, Nikolas Cruz, posted to his Instagram page including guns, a box of ammunition and a picture of himself wearing a red “Make America Great Again” hat. One poster said, “another ‘gun nut’ narrative incoming.” Another said, “that maga hat is going to get trump lynched in the media if it turns out to be this kid.”
A day after the shooting, though, the anonymous posters were back on the offensive.
In interviews, Hogg mentioned that his father had worked for the FBI, a revelation treated by the far-right online ecosystem as a smoking gun worthy of widespread sharing in tweets and memes. A woman that same day posted a video analyzing the students’ body language and fiercely criticized Hogg’s comments in one interview as those of a “psychopath.”
Different posters also began clashing with each other about how to promote their preferred spin on the story. When users succeeded in falsely convincing some researchers and journalists that the shooter was an active member of a white-supremacist group, using a tactic Donovan calls “source hacking,” one 8chan user posted a “Damage Control Thread.”
“We will double down on this being another attack against white interests,” the anonymous person wrote, urging that images of Cruz be altered before posting.
“Make them darker in photoshop, and make his lips and nose thicker and wider a small bit,” the poster wrote. “Enough to where he looks even more non-white, but not enough that it’s too noticeable.”
A backlash grows
By Feb. 16, two days after the shooting, the hunt for information was intensifying. “This Dave Hoggs keeps showing up on TV,” said one poster on Reddit that day. “There’s something wrong with this guy. He needs to be investigated. WE NEED TO DIG!”
Memes with Hogg’s face tagged as “Son of FBI agent” were spreading widely on Twitter by the next day. And on Feb. 18, users were cheering the surprising speed with which they were able to shape the story line.
“Man, I just gotta say, on our progress around these events is quite remarkable,” one 8chan poster wrote that day. It’s “marvelous to see non centralized actors . . . produce so many counter points, so fast, with zero centrally planned coordination.”
The poster added, “At this point I think we managed to get into a 1.5 . . . to 2 :1 ratio of information warfare for OUR advantage, compared to the jews.”
The claims about Hogg also spread to conservative websites such as Gateway Pundit (headlined “EXPOSED”), the social network Gab.ai (“spread it everywhere, this is the proof”) and Reddit forums like “r/The_Donald.” One post there, a photo of Hogg, carried a caption suggesting he was smiling because he saw his “fellow students get murdered but [he] got famous from it.” Users of the site registered their approval more than 3,800 times.
By Feb. 20, less than a week after the shooting, some online posters said they’d clinched a win when Benjamin Kelly, an aide to a Florida state representative, touted conspiracy theories about the shooting to a Tampa Bay Times reporter, leading to the aide’s firing. But the biggest surge of popularity came a day later, when YouTube’s no. 1 “Trending” video labeled Hogg an “actor.”
Hogg soon disputed the allegation that he was a “crisis actor” on CNN. Posters on anonymous forums saw the development as evidence they were on the right track.
There also was a backlash brewing. YouTube blocked videos pushing allegations about the Parkland students being “crisis actors” as violating its harassment policy. Jones said several of his Infowars videos were among those blocked, a move he called an unwarranted attack on his right to free speech.
Jones was unrepentant, however, in alleging that the students — even if they were authentic survivors of a mass shooting — were being coached as part of a politically motivated gun-control campaign. “These are young adults who are putting themselves out there into the public realm,” Jones said. “Parents who put their kids out on TV knew what that comes with. . . . Free speech is a rough thing.”
He was not alone in that view.
A poster on 8chan soon advanced a battle plan. “We Go to War. Gather any dirt we can find on the leaders and their parents ... Disprove, Disrupt, Discredit, Disinfo, Discourage, Demotivate, Deny. Sabotage the movement,” the poster wrote.
The poster also was preparing for a change in tactics if the politics began to shift.
“If the movement falls out of focus, let [it] burn out. That is; don’t keep attacking once everyone is forgetting about them, let them fade away into obscurity.”
But the conspiracy theory about Hogg and other Parkland students was not fading away, others noticed. It had broken into the mainstream and seemed destined to continue drawing attention.
A poster on one conspiracy-themed Reddit forum wrote on Feb. 22 — eights days after the shooting — “Comment section on David Hogg’s latest Instagram post is INCREDIBLE. Close to 90% of the comments calling him out for what he is! THE GREAT AWAKENING. This just gave my so much hope to see patriots from all walks of life coming together and standing for truth.”
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Kudos to Dick’s Sporting Goods, I’ve been a customer and will continue to patronize their stores.
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Kudos to Dick’s Sporting Goods, I’ve been a customer and will continue to patronize their stores.
I agree.
This example is especially noteworthy because Dick's is putting their money where their mouth is, and they're doing the right thing, despite the fact that it will clearly loose money for them.
Kudos, indeed!
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A columnist in one of our local newspapers likened the mass shootings as today's teens Vietnam. By the Florida teens and teens on campuses across the United States, reacting the way they are, they are doing what their grandparents did during the Vietnam War. It was these marches over our involvement in Vietnam that brought pressure upon politicians and other leaders to call for an end to the war.
And they are doing what their parents and politicians refuse to do - insisting on common-sense approaches to their every day safety.
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Kudos to Dick’s Sporting Goods, I’ve been a customer and will continue to patronize their stores.
They did the same thing after Sandy Hook, only to start selling them again later. This time they claim it's permanent. We'll see.
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You know that idea about arming teachers?
http://time.com/5179477/dalton-high-school-shooting/
(Don't worry, Joan, it's on Fox, but they file it under "controversy", and say the teacher allegedly fired the gun.)
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Hope this act stops our President from pushing to arm teachers. Wonder if his response would be to arm the students?
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Hope this act stops our President from pushing to arm teachers. Wonder if his response would be to arm the students?
In the context of Trumpiness, that second solution makes a lot of sense.
I mean, if a student or someone else walks into a school building armed with an assault rifle, the students in the school can whip out their handguns and blast the motherfucker before he even gets one shot off. They'd be good guys/gals with a gun.
Problem, solved!
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Clearly, all NEA and AFT Teachers are not to be trusted, and must be disarmed. Great we found this out, just in time, too. Trusted? HA!
Do we need to wait at all? Just seize all teacher's firearms, go door to door, and search each home... Seems a bi-partisan Flake/Feinstein Bill will win approval.
Due process can happen later, right...
Oh, and can only arm 21 year old students... so only DACA kids can be armed,
mostly, and that is about it for our Elementary and High Schools.
Hope this act stops our President from pushing to arm teachers. Wonder if his response would be to arm the students?
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Hope this act stops our President from pushing to arm teachers. Wonder if his response would be to arm the students?
In the context of Trumpiness, that second solution makes a lot of sense.
I mean, if a student or someone else walks into a school building armed with an assault rifle, the students in the school can whip out their handguns and blast the motherfucker before he even gets one shot off. They'd be good guys/gals with a gun.
Problem, solved!
A true Trumpiness is when he throws out solutions to complicated problems without once thinking the problem through. He still is pushing to arm teachers in his latest proposal. Unbelievable.
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Clearly, all NEA and AFT Teachers are not to be trusted, and must be disarmed. Great we found this out, just in time, too. Trusted? HA!
Do we need to wait at all? Just seize all teacher's firearms, go door to door, and search each home... Seems a bi-partisan Flake/Feinstein Bill will win approval.
Due process can happen later, right...
Oh, and can only arm 21 year old students... so only DACA kids can be armed,
mostly, and that is about it for our Elementary and High Schools.
Last night, he wanted new gun laws enacted without waiting to see if they are constitutional. He added that waiting for the courts to approve or disapprove would take years. Since when did the Constitution ever stop a president?
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Who would have thought?
It wasn’t Obama coming for your guns, it’s Trump!
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We shall see what 'they', the collective, actually do. Seems retailers are doing much of what is requested by the 'apolitical victims' of Florida. Seems Florida is responding, via their great Governor Scott, with other specifics as requested.
Flake/Feinstein bill, if there ever is one, is hopefully DOA in Congress, just knowing the two namesakes, regardless of a Presidential endorsement.
The issues requested/demanded are State issues, as to what is sold, to whom, at what age, etc., and likely will remain State issues, where the State elected officials are closest to their constituents, can tailor what is desired/needed.
We shall see, in reality, how State and Local reporting of those who should not be able to purchase firearms, so all the individuals get into the NICS database, will affect how 'complete' and 'effective' the instant background check process may become.
Allowing Teachers and school Staff to become qualified armed protectors, with no regard to their rules or union feelings about it, will be interesting, and the vote count on a clean bill on this topic will inform the electorate.
We shall see.
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Shots fired at Central Michigan University dormitory. My niece and Mark's daughter are go to different universities, but I know a number of freshmen, who are primarily in the dorms, that go to Central. Hoping all are okay.
http://michiganradio.org/post/cmu-lockdown-following-reports-shooting-residence-hall
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Two were fatally shot in what is being called a "domestic dispute".
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Two were fatally shot in what is being called a "domestic dispute".
Parents of a student at the university were there to bring him home for Spring Break and ended up being shot and killed by their own son. Last I heard, the shooter was still on the run.
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From Plainesville, IL.. how far is that from you, Rick?
Two were fatally shot in what is being called a "domestic dispute".
Parents of a student at the university were there to bring him home for Spring Break and ended up being shot and killed by their own son. Last I heard, the shooter was still on the run.
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From Plainesville, IL.. how far is that from you, Rick?
The family was from Plainfield, down the road a ways.
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Read the family was picking up their son, their murderer, from a Hospital, when they were assaulted and killed. No mention about the meds the student was on at the time, or whether there is something in the water in
PlainesvillePlainfield, IL, that triggers some less than stable local town-folk. Fascinating...
From Plainesville, IL.. how far is that from you, Rick?
The family was from Plainfield, down the road a ways.
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Read the family was picking up their son, their murderer, from a Hospital, when they were assaulted and killed. No mention about the meds the student was on at the time, or whether there is something in the water in Plainesville, IL, that triggers some less than stable local town-folk. Fascinating...
From Plainesville, IL.. how far is that from you, Rick?
The family was from Plainfield, down the road a ways.
NOW......We enter the realm of "The Twilight Zone".......What could the government have possibly put in Plainesville's water supply to make people go crazy..??
;D
Love,
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An interesting website:
http://backfiretrump.com/
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Multiple fatalities reported after Texas high school shooting - live updates (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/santa-fe-high-school-shooting-today-2018-05-18-live-stream-updates/)
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I guess another kid couldn't get laid, right?
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I guess another kid couldn't get laid, right?
Go fuck yourself.
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More than 214,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since Columbine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/local/school-shootings-database/?utm_term=.f7a9059ce984)
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I guess another kid couldn't get laid, right?
Since mass shooters are usually social misfits, or at the very least sociopaths, they probably don't get laid much. Or do you have another theory?
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Anti-social misfits get laid plenty. They just don't brag/lie about it as much as the popular kids.
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There are already reports on what sort of person the shooter was. I won't link the information because the offender is underage.
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This kid seems to have entitlement issues with regards to having a relationship with women. He pursued a relationship with one of the victims for about four months and would not take no for an answer. Finally she told him off in front of other students and this caused deep humiliation.
I often wonder how much rape happens because men think they are entitled to getting sex from women.
Of course I know it's deeper than this, but it might be a good place to start a discussion.
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You mean "NO" should actually mean just that......"Good Luck" with that idea.
Love,
Liz
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I often wonder how much rape happens because men think they are entitled to getting sex from women.
Of course I know it's deeper than this, but it might be a good place to start a discussion.
Entitlement rape is a thing. Outside the 4 Holmes and Holmes Pathotypes, but may overlap with Power-Assertive, Anger Retaliatory (Incels) or Power-Reassurance. (Anger Exitation is your kidnap torture dungeon sadist, so Privilege enough to afford a sex-dungeon, but Entitlement is rarely a motive.)
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I meant entitlement in a "How dare a mere female tell me no." And yes, it's about power too.
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You people take the cake. Talk about over-simplification. We are dealing with mass murder, psychopathic behavior. You are comparing it misogyny because a couple of these twisted fuck got refused a few dates. You people are delusional. Or maybe you have forgotten what torture it can be to be a kid.
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I think you need to include yourself in that assessment as well.
The thread diverted into a sidebar discussion speculating on this shooting’s possible motivations, and how it might apply to the population in general.
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I meant entitlement in a "How dare a mere female tell me no." And yes, it's about power too.
Ish. Entitlement is granted by position, but "Power-Reassurance" is a misnomer (H&H wrote that in 1972) You're not wrong in that it Can be a partial motive, but it takes some disparity of power to rape.
Power Assertive is about Asserting Power. Yes.
Anger-Retaliatory is about HATE. It's a hate crime.
All the "It's not about sex, it's about;" bullshit. Rape is always about sex, but there's also other motives in there, except in Opportunistic rape. (Like college/drunk/drug rape ,and non-prefferrential child molestation.)
Talk about over-simplification.
Really? I just gave 3 profiles, and eliminated a fourth, so what you have to offer is "Over-simplification." That's what you bring to the table.
Organic Cause (Charles Whitfield)
Politically Motivated Terrorists (Columbine "Trenchcoat Mafia")
Injustice Collectors (Dylan Roof, Elliot Rodger, and many more.)
Okay, professor. Go ahead, talk about it...
I'll wait.
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You people take the cake. Talk about over-simplification. We are dealing with mass murder, psychopathic behavior. You are comparing it misogyny because a couple of these twisted fuck got refused a few dates. You people are delusional. Or maybe you have forgotten what torture it can be to be a kid.
How is this then: The kid is Greek. 'nuf said.
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(https://78.media.tumblr.com/021c1f7394b9c03f508d296a2e47c19b/tumblr_p9z2iouoUL1s94fnwo1_1280.jpg)
That this is necessary is depressing.
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So I’m at a free concert at a mall tonight with my new girlfriend, and overhead are two helicopters not quite drowning out the music. I walk her to her car, then get in my truck to leave. There’s this roadblock on my normal route with a bunch of police, so I take a detour.
It seems all of that was about the seach of the apartment of our latest mass shooter. Lovely.
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And yet another mass shooting.
Question: Why can't the Alt-Right wait for the facts until they open their pie-holes with conjectures that make them look like idiots?
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Seems the Annapolis Gazette shooter took advantage of the lack of security at the newspaper's business/building. Police are calling this a 'targeted' shooting, in that the murderer was seeking certain people, with whom he has been 'feuding, in court, and online' for several years.
More details will no doubt follow, and a Police officer who arrived at the scene within a minute was able to slow down the shooting, until the murder suspect was arrested. Local radio in the Washington/Baltimore area revealed stories by on air reporting about a few who died, including a woman who's arm, blown off by one shotgun blast, died at Shock Trauma of her injuries.
Police described the firearm as a long gun/shotgun, and the shooter reloaded multiple times as he worked his evil ways, shooting some, bypassing others who hid under desks.
One minute is a long time, when one is hiding under a desk, hearing the shots and listening to the sounds or reloading.
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...two days after Trump declared the press to be an enemy of America, and Milo declared that he couldn't wait to see all the journalists shot in the street.
I'm sure it will all turn out to be a mentally-disturbed lone wolf, nothing to do with being influenced by the alt-right at all...
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Two days? Where have you been?
In the Annapolis Case, seems the murderer was listening to Joe Biden, and got a shotgun, and killed as many people as he could, injured as many people as he could, until a GGWAG arrived and stopped him.
Meanwhile, over 300 Officers of one type or another spent their afternoon and evening standing around outside on overtime, doing little more than directing traffic, seems.
A pity crackpots are not institutionalized until they are incapable of murder, and Maryland is Maryland, does things its way. Pity so many died for lack of any security on site. They know better and failed.
The President stating the Truth does not harm anyone. The MSM is to blame for much of the unrest in our society, just ahead of Democrats in Congress being total obstructionists and fostering hate whenever possible.
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I was quite correct when I said Goebbels would be proud of you.
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I was quite correct when I said Goebbels would be proud of you.
Along with Rudolph Hess.........
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In the Annapolis Case, seems the murderer was listening to Joe Biden, .....
Surely you are making a twisted joke.
A pity crackpots are not institutionalized until they are incapable of murder, and Maryland is Maryland, does things its way. Pity so many died for lack of any security on site. They know better and failed.
He should have been in jail for stalking and threats. And he should not have been able to buy guns because of his record. But sadly, because they are no national laws, all he had to do was cross a state border to buy guns.
A locked door should be security enough.
The President stating the Truth does not harm anyone. The MSM is to blame for much of the unrest in our society, just ahead of Democrats in Congress being total obstructionists and fostering hate whenever possible.
MSM stands for Methylsulfonylmethane, a supplement that help joints and other body functions, and no one fosters hate as much as the bigots and white nationalists that worship Trump.
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Joe Biden? Really?
I can tell you the street and block that was cordoned off by police forcing me to detour, so I know where the shooter lived. And, I didn’t see Joe Biden anywhere around. So, he must have been hiding from the police in the bushes.
If the Democrats are obstructionists while in the minority, I can’t wait for the power they’ll wield in the majority.
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A pity crackpots are not institutionalized until they are incapable of murder, and Maryland is Maryland, does things its way.
He should have been in jail for stalking and threats.
My home state of Maryland probably does more to prevent the mentally disturbed from getting guns than most if not all other states. And it’s absolutely true this person should not have been capable of purchasing a gun anywhere. His very attempt to purchase a firearm in any state with his police record should have resulted in his incarceration. The fact that he was able to buy a gun and use it to kill people is entirely the fault of Republicans controlled by the NRA. I say that as a gun owner.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/huffpost-hate-mail_us_5b366d29e4b007aa2f7fb127
The link above is to an article that I found very shocking. It details death threats and hate messages sent to the Huffington Post.
I wonder if Breitbart gets such messages anywhere near the numbers or type that Huffington post does? Personally I doubt it, as right wingers are more likely to see violence as a solution.
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/huffpost-hate-mail_us_5b366d29e4b007aa2f7fb127
The link above is to an article that I found very shocking. It details death threats and hate messages sent to the Huffington Post.
I wonder if Breitbart gets such messages anywhere near the numbers or type that Huffington post does? Personally I doubt it, as right wingers are more likely to see violence as a solution.
We Get Voicemails (https://splinternews.com/we-get-voicemails-1827231694)
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These Were the Five People Killed in the Capital Gazette Shooting (https://splinternews.com/these-were-the-five-people-killed-in-the-capital-gazett-1827226388)
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Capital Gazette Reporter on Thoughts and Prayers: 'I Couldn't Give a Fuck About Them If There's Nothing Else' (https://splinternews.com/capital-gazette-reporter-on-thoughts-and-prayers-i-cou-1827225278)
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The President stating the Truth does not harm anyone. The MSM is to blame for much of the unrest in our society, just ahead of Democrats in Congress being total obstructionists and fostering hate whenever possible.
MSM stands for Methylsulfonylmethane, a supplement that help joints and other body functions, and no one fosters hate as much as the bigots and white nationalists that worship Trump.
Maybe MSM was supposed to be MGM, as in the entertainment company? If I recall, joan is in DC. After lunch in DC yesterday, we were walking towards the mall headed for the Natural History museum, and some woman on the street talking incoherently abruptly shouted, “We got MGM up in this mother fucker now!” After looking it up, turns out crazy street lady was right, MGM did open a concert venue recently in DC. I’m still unclear how Britney Spears, Cher, Stevie Wonder and various others performing in DC in the near future are to blame for unrest in society.
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MSM is a contraction for Main Stream Media, which includes CBS, ABC, NBC in all its forms including MSNBC, CNN and FOX News, in this usage. Sorry if some do not keep up with such abbreviated forms of conversation, if any confusion occurs here.
The President stating the Truth does not harm anyone. The MSM is to blame for much of the unrest in our society, just ahead of Democrats in Congress being total obstructionists and fostering hate whenever possible.
MSM stands for Methylsulfonylmethane, a supplement that help joints and other body functions, and no one fosters hate as much as the bigots and white nationalists that worship Trump.
Maybe MSM was supposed to be MGM, as in the entertainment company? If I recall, joan is in DC. After lunch in DC yesterday, we were walking towards the mall headed for the Natural History museum, and some woman on the street talking incoherently abruptly shouted, “We got MGM up in this mother fucker now!” After looking it up, turns out crazy street lady was right, MGM did open a concert venue recently in DC. I’m still unclear how Britney Spears, Cher, Stevie Wonder and various others performing in DC in the near future are to blame for unrest in society.
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FOX News
Fox News calls itself a commentary channel.
Stop fucking lying.
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Despite Multiple Warnings, Capital Gazette Shooter Was Still Able to Buy a Gun (https://splinternews.com/despite-multiple-warnings-capital-gazette-shooter-was-1827269514)
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VIDEO OF NRA'S DANA LOESCH 'HAPPY' OVER MEDIA BEING 'CURB STOMPED' RESURFACES AFTER CAPITAL GAZETTE SHOOTING (http://www.newsweek.com/video-nra-dana-loesch-happy-media-being-curb-stomped-resurfaces-after-capital-1001621)
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MSM is a contraction for Main Stream Media, which includes CBS, ABC, NBC in all its forms including MSNBC, CNN and FOX News, in this usage. Sorry if some do not keep up with such abbreviated forms of conversation, if any confusion occurs here.
The President stating the Truth does not harm anyone. The MSM is to blame for much of the unrest in our society, just ahead of Democrats in Congress being total obstructionists and fostering hate whenever possible.
MSM stands for Methylsulfonylmethane, a supplement that help joints and other body functions, and no one fosters hate as much as the bigots and white nationalists that worship Trump.
Maybe MSM was supposed to be MGM, as in the entertainment company? If I recall, joan is in DC. After lunch in DC yesterday, we were walking towards the mall headed for the Natural History museum, and some woman on the street talking incoherently abruptly shouted, “We got MGM up in this mother fucker now!” After looking it up, turns out crazy street lady was right, MGM did open a concert venue recently in DC. I’m still unclear how Britney Spears, Cher, Stevie Wonder and various others performing in DC in the near future are to blame for unrest in society.
Sorry, but I don't think it is a reasonable expectation that everyone should be able to follow wing-nut speech. Your definition of MSM might be understandable in your right-wing community, but not to anyone else.
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Of course, just as most would not recognize left wing words, like gaslighting. That said, an easy 'google' clears the air, for all but the most entrenched of wingnuts.
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Wrong Joan. A Google search turns up 18 references to a drug for MSM before the definition. Which is displayed on the second page. Not an easy google.
Gaslighting turns up definitions of gaslighting from the 2nd instance onward.
I really think you should reconsider things more than once before you post. You are very tiresome in your dogma and mis-representations.
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Please advise of KB approved abbreviations for common political discourse in most of the western world, such as: Mainstream Media.
You may feel free to post an entire page of KB approved abbreviations for all the leftist crackpot language needs as well, presuming KB is well versed.
BTW, when I just googled MSM, the first answer was for MSN, wrong of course, and the second answer found a number of MSM comments, clearly Mainstream Media comments about current events. No second page needed, if one was paying the slightest attention to the results.
Here is the link: https://www.bing.com/search?q=MSM&qs=n&form=QBRE&sp=-1&ghc=1&pq=msm&sc=8-3&sk=&cvid=E0427AE89A174CC89000401A41A9921D
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The Google algorithm relies heavily on previous searches. So if you have Googled right-wing slanted topics before, it will find right-wing references for you in the future.
It did not find "MSM=mainstream media" for me or Katie because we have not searched on the same right-wing topics that you have.
In the future it might be best to spell out the abbreviation first and then include the abbreviation in parentheses like this:
Mainstream Media (MSM)
Thereafter you may use the abbreviation without spelling it out.
I notice you often include references that mean nothing to people outside your right-wing opinion bubble. If you really want to get your opinions across, it might be helpful for you to realize this and adjust your argument accordingly.
Now what about this Joe Biden claim?
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Joe Biden is special...:
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Ah, it all makes sense now ... :roll:
I first used a shotgun at age 14. I was only 5-2 and 98 pounds. It never threw me to the ground like that, although my shoulder was a little sore the day after.
What guns have you used?
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Of course, just as most would not recognize left wing words, like gaslighting. That said, an easy 'google' clears the air, for all but the most entrenched of wingnuts.
I had to have gaslighting explained to me recently too, when I was accused of trying to drive someone crazy while I was agreeing with them. I had to tell the person several times that I really did agree with them before they believed me.
And I just say media. If the ‘news’ is coming from fringe, I don’t bother dignifying by using the term media at all. Fox and msnbc are just barely media.
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Ah, it all makes sense now ... :roll:
Only in that bizarre world that Trump has created where all the world’s ills can be traced back to a Democrat. The only thing unique here is apparently Hillary was not to blame for the mass shooting near me, merely Biden.
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Few ever listen, really listen, to Biden, and for good reason. He has been wrong on just about everything for his entire career, as to foreign policy at least, his supposed strong point.
Was his suggesting buying a shotgun, and firing it into the air from a balcony a NEWS item for you? Really? You really should question why, if this is the first you heard of this stupid entreaty by "ole Joe".
Hillary is old news, and wandering in the woods near her home compound in NY, stoned on cheap boxed wine, am pretty sure she had nothing to do with it.
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You really are a cheap trick, Joan. Have you no shame?
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Wow, I agree with joan on something. Hillary is old news, which is why I’m constantly dumbfounded by how often the right and in particular Trump keep bringing her up.
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The right needs scapegoats to justify their insanity.
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A bar in California, 12 dead. Well shit.
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A bar in California, 12 dead. Well shit.
In one of the safest cities in the United States, so they said.
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A bar in California, 12 dead. Well shit.
In one of the safest cities in the United States, so they said.
Exactly.
The FBI ranked it the 4th safest city with more than 100,000 people in the entire country.
And it's also very white, and very wealthy.
But the shooting was clearly caused by the black gang bangers in Obama's Chicago.
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Okay, the safest city in the US is not devoid of crime. People still drink and drive, there's probably at least 1 psycho who want attention, and are running out of ideas how to get it.
"The Safest City In America" isn't a guarantee, it's a hedged bet. Shit happens, everywhere. I don't see any schools being shot up in Compton. Spree shooters are statistical outliers, they defy the odds, most people don't bring a semi-automatic to school for attention. Columbine isn't ghetto, it's a suburb.
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Okay, the safest city in the US is not devoid of crime. People still drink and drive, there's probably at least 1 psycho who want attention, and are running out of ideas how to get it.
"The Safest City In America" isn't a guarantee, it's a hedged bet. Shit happens, everywhere. I don't see any schools being shot up in Compton. Spree shooters are statistical outliers, they defy the odds, most people don't bring a semi-automatic to school for attention. Columbine isn't ghetto, it's a suburb.
Of course.
But I think you missed my point...
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I think you missed my point...
Nope, just made another point. We can both have them...
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There's Nothing More American Than Survivors of One Mass Shooting Being Caught in Another (https://splinternews.com/theres-nothing-more-american-than-survivors-of-one-mass-1830312570)
Speaking with CBS News, Nicholas Champion estimated that there had been “probably 50 or 60 others” who, like him, were survivors of the Las Vegas massacre in attendance at the Borderline bar on Wednesday during the shooting.
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There's Nothing More American Than Survivors of One Mass Shooting Being Caught in Another (https://splinternews.com/theres-nothing-more-american-than-survivors-of-one-mass-1830312570)
Speaking with CBS News, Nicholas Champion estimated that there had been “probably 50 or 60 others” who, like him, were survivors of the Las Vegas massacre in attendance at the Borderline bar on Wednesday during the shooting.
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What the F*CK AMERICA ?
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Don Lemon of CNN got in hot water when he said something on the order that white males are the terrorists we have to fear most. Looking back on the past couple of years involving mass shootings, he may just be right.
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Don Lemon of CNN got in hot water when he said something on the order that white males are the terrorists we have to fear most. Looking back on the past couple of years involving mass shootings, he may just be right.
Domestically. There are international threats as well, but those can generally be handled overseas. Domestic Terrorists tend to be white males (With some outliers) and have very distinctive warning signs to look for. Also, if you class Serial Killers (Look at contemporary reports of let's say Zodiac, and BTK's "Reign of Terror") that expands the profile quite a bit.
However, though Profiling is basically our Only tool for stopping them before their suicide runs, it's not Racial Profiling. This is very important: The Male Part is much more significant, while the majority are White males, that's statistically and psychologically consistent, because of the Socioeconoomic Position. If you look at the Spree Shooters, they're bye and large Legal Gun Owners. Most of those are White Males.
Other types of Domestic Terrorists may use other types of weapons. For contrast, Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker" used knives, guns, and a bunch of blunt tools. However, his weapon of choice was Rape. He raped women to terrorize California. So did a lot of others (Most of them white.) Charles Manson's preferred weapons were impressionable hippies, because he had access to, and control over them. (I think we can all agree that Manson was a Domestic Terrorist.)
At the time, they were called Sexually Motivated Serial Killers (By the FBI BAU) We don't really have those any more. Now, we have more Spree Shooters, and they attack with remarkable consistency. Because of the Media Coverage, not only are they literally Triggered by the violence, but also by the Attention. That's their motive, if they wanted money, they'd rob banks instead.
The most attention, and Fear can be gotten at a school. If they don't have a more specific symbolic target in mind. (Churches, and other houses of Worship like Synagogues, and Mosques are becoming more popular.)
If you take away their guns, they'll just use pipe bombs, and molotovs. They don't have to shoot, that's just symbolic. Just like they don't have to shoot Schools. If we put in enough security there, they'll just switch targets.
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The sad part now is that Thousand Oaks is mandatorily being evacuated because of the fires. Terrible that people lost their loved ones to a nut job and now they may not be able to bury them for a while.
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When will America stop sacrificing it's children on the altar of 2nd Amendment dogma?
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The Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks was a *bar*. There probably weren't any 'children' even in the joint. The youngest shot were 3 or 4 college students of legal drinking age, thus 'adults'. The rest were older than that.
You keep dropping some variant of the same line, yet it'll NEVER work in America. Hitler's brownshirts tried to round up all of the civilian guns in Germany and failed miserably. You'll SURE as hell never get them all voluntarily. You won't even get 1% voluntarily, so why the "we've got to protect our children" line? It's a pointless waste of your time.
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Yeh, because it's not like there's ever been a shooting in a school...
(3,134 children killed or injured by guns so far this year.)
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The Borderline Bar in Thousand Oaks was a *bar*. There probably weren't any 'children' even in the joint. The youngest shot were 3 or 4 college students of legal drinking age, thus 'adults'. The rest were older than that.
You keep dropping some variant of the same line, yet it'll NEVER work in America. Hitler's brownshirts tried to round up all of the civilian guns in Germany and failed miserably. You'll SURE as hell never get them all voluntarily. You won't even get 1% voluntarily, so why the "we've got to protect our children" line? It's a pointless waste of your time.
First off, I did not mean children in a literal sense.
Second, no one is advocating rounding up everyone's guns. I am advocating common sense reforms to keep guns out of the hands of those who are mot responsible enough to own them. If you need a licenced to drive a car, then we should at least be licensed to buy a gun. "...a well regulated militia..." Maybe it's time to add some regulations?
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What the F*CK AMERICA ?
Routine mass shootings appear to be the new normal, I fear.
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At least five dead after gunman barricades himself in Florida bank, authorities say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/23/several-people-shot-after-gunman-barricades-himself-florida-bank-authorities-say/?utm_term=.4c47abf49d99)
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2018:
Total Number of Incidents.........56,999
Number of Deaths...................14,646
Number of Injuries...................28,172
Number of Children (age 0-11)
Killed or Injured...........................666
Number of Teens (age 12-17)
Killed or Injured.........................2,833
Mass Shooting.............................340
Officer Involved Incident
Officer Shot or Killed.....................291
Officer Involved Incident
Subject-Suspect Shot or Killed......2,142
Home Invasion...........................2,075
Defensive Use............................1,792
Unintentional Shooting.................1,612
Gun violence and crime incidents are collected/validated from 2,500 sources daily – incidents and their source data are found at the gunviolencearchive.org website.
22,000 Annual Suicides not included on Daily Summary Ledger
Numbers on this table reflect a subset of all information collected and will not add to 100% of incidents.
www.gunviolencearchive.org www.facebook.com/gunviolencearchive
Data Validated: January 25, 2019
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Number of Teens (age 12-17)
Killed or Injured.........................2,833
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Defensive Use............................1,792
Unintentional Shooting.................1,612
There's some pretty damning numbers. (Pun intended.) Add in the 666 children under age 12, and that's 3,500 (Or close efuckinuff) minors killed or injured. So 1,800 "Good guys" can "Defend themselves."
What was the racial demographics on Subject-Suspect shot, or killed?
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I don't have that data, sorry.
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I don't have that data, sorry.
Of course not, the FBI doesn't collect them. However, we can extrapolate from the data we do have. Namely, pictures, and video from the Smart-phone age.
We can't assume that white men don't report false allegations, right?
We can't assume that African Americans have more access to camera phones, and Social Media.
We know that black men aren't the Majority (http://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045218).
So, when the majority of unarmed men shot by police from independent sources (I.E. #BlackLivesMatter) are African Americans, the only thing we need to disprove them are the racial, and economic Majority to produce victims that are man enough to report false allegations.
Instead, we just get the same story: "He fit the description," and "I feared for my life." Our law enforcement is terrified by unarmed black men, and fire out of Fear. I'm not making this up, it's the official story.
You want the demographics on Mass Shootings? Here's a hint: It's not Illegal Aliens. Or, how about we look at the statistics on Gun Owners. Let me see, I'm sure the FBI has a study on them around here somewhere...
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Also, I love the PC euphemism "Police involved."
Of course the police were Involved, if they weren't, then we wouldn't have statistics on the shooting! You would think that the "Incidents" we have statistics on where Police were involved would be right around 100%. Since police records is where we get the statistics from in the first place. If you show up at the hospital with a gunshot wound, the police are automatically involved, to make sure it was an accidental shooting, or attemptedd suicide, regardless of the story. Same goes for bodies with gunshot wounds when they arrive in the morgue.
Unless, of course, we're only talking about the times where a police officer shot somebody. The statistics on the number of "Suspects" they shot are meaningless when "He fit the description" is an affirmative defense for murdering unarmed men.
So, since we don't have statistics on Racial Bias, here's a few images to illustrate it:
(http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/1iqpj4/picture63878677/alternates/FREE_1140/Parker)
This is Eric Parker, legal gun owner, aiming a rifle at a crowd of protesters.
Here's a picture of him with his family, after he was released from jail. For occupying federal land, menacing unarmed protesters, and opening fire on federal agents, less than 4 months later.
mod note: image removed for underaged subject. Link to image
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We can only assume that he didn't fit the description, and they didn't fear for their lives.
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Trump Ally Tries To Remove Parkland Fathers From Gun Violence Hearing (https://www.npr.org/2019/02/06/692046272/trump-ally-tries-to-remove-parkland-fathers-from-gun-violence-hearing)
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My son survived one mass shooting. He didn’t survive the second. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/my-son-survived-one-mass-shooting-he-didnt-survive-the-second/2019/02/07/f52305d4-2af2-11e9-984d-9b8fba003e81_story.html?utm_term=.cc34d61dc544)
Marc Orfanos is a resident of Thousand Oaks, Calif., and member of the Everytown Survivor Network.
Imagine being called into a room after waiting 10 excruciating hours to learn if your child is alive or dead. You find yourself face to face with a somber police officer. The words “I am sorry, your son did not make it” are barely comprehensible as the room swirls around you. You gasp for air as you feel your heart being ripped out of your chest. Your life, along with the lives of your family, friends and community, is changed in that instant. This is the reality of gun violence in America. This was our reality three months ago today.
Telemachus “Tel” Orfanos was my oldest son. There was nothing I wouldn’t do for him, and there is nothing in this world more important to me than my children. He lived his life to help others, and that is he how he died. He was only 27 years old.
Tel survived the deadliest mass shooting in modern American history on Oct. 1, 2017, in Las Vegas. He honorably served our country in the Navy, but never felt the looming presence of death more than at the Route 91 Harvest festival, where 58 people were killed and more than 850 wounded. When he came home, we hugged and cried — we felt so lucky for him to be alive.
None of us ever expected Tel would be at the scene of a second mass shooting just one year later. On Nov. 7, 2018, Tel was at the Borderline Bar & Grill in our hometown of Thousand Oaks, Calif., when someone opened fire. Tel rushed a group of friends out of the bar before returning to try to help more. He was shot multiple times and killed along with 11 others. I will never again be able to hug him, cry with him or be thankful he came home.
Mass shootings have become so routine and commonplace that my son was present at two.
No one among us should be so naive to think we are exempt from gun violence. If you take away one thing from our experience, it’s that gun violence can happen anywhere, anytime, to anyone — including to someone you love.
We are far from alone in our grief. The U.S. gun death rate is 10 times higher than that of other high-income countries. At this point in the calendar, our nation has already experienced more gun deaths than our peer nations will see in the entire year. What kind of country allows this level of violence to be a normal occurrence?
We know the legislative changes needed to address this epidemic; what we must find now is the political will to make them happen. That’s why today I’m joining countless others in sharing my story as part of Gun Violence Survivors Week. Only by keeping the spotlight on how gun violence is constantly affecting the lives of Americans across the country may we finally make meaningful reform happen.
Since Tel’s death, my only goal is to get people to stop and think — and commit to doing something to end this horrific epidemic of gun violence. I don’t want any other parent to ever experience the kind of inconceivable grief that we are feeling, yet the fact is tens of thousands of parents, siblings, children, friends and colleagues feel this anguish every year. It is time for this to stop.
It’s up to all of us to demand change from our lawmakers and to vote them out if they refuse to act. It will take courage and character to do that. I hope we are all up to the task. Do it for your children. It’s too late for my son but hopefully not too late for yours.
Every morning when I wake up, I think for a moment that I had a bad dream. Yet as I open my eyes, the reality rapidly hits me that I am living in a nightmare from which I will never wake. We all must open our eyes to the reality that millions of Americans are experiencing this exact same nightmare every single day. I want this nightmare to stop. I want to wake up. All I want is to hug my beautiful son, but I can’t.
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Dear Alyssa. A Parkland mom's Valentine's day letter to her daughter. (https://alyssa.dearworld.org/)
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I just had my hardest cry in the last two months.
Dear Alyssa. A Parkland mom's Valentine's day letter to her daughter. (https://alyssa.dearworld.org/)
It's something I likely wouldn't have read had you not posted it Athos. So thank you for that.
Hearing this mom's story, the love she has for her daughter, and the things she'll miss. My heart is hurting so badly for Lori Alhadeff right now.
Parkland seems like it just happened. I can't believe it's been a year already.
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Parkland shooting victims are remembered in silence (https://www.apnews.com/2b95e512119c4be5aa723d00381440b4)
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14 Children Died in the Parkland Shooting. Nearly 1,200 Have Died From Guns Since. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/13/us/parkland-obituaries-students.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytnational)
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Aurora shooting updates: 6 dead, including shooter, and 5 officers wounded in attack at Illinois manufacturing firm (https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/news/ct-abn-aurora-police-st-0217-story.html)
nOw Is nOt ThE tImE tO pOlItIcIzE GuN vIOlEnCe.
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P.S. We're past way 19, can we rename the topic?
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So much for unenforced gun laws. This shooter filled out an application for a FOID car and was approved. He then purchased the pistol with the green laser light legitimately but then the Illinois State Police found that he had a felony conviction in Mississippi that voided his FOID card. They then sent a letter to him, as protocol dictated, asking him to turn in any firearms that he owns, since his FOID was pulled.
Someone who has lied on his application to obtain a FOID card, I doubt, will voluntarily turn in his weapons just because the State Police sent him a letter asking him to.
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He then purchased the pistol with the green laser light legitimately
I'm surprised that it wasn't a red one. Yeah, technically green lazers are "More Powerful" (It's complicated) but Tacticool lights, and lazer pointers are more for cool factor, and intimidation than actual useful purpose. We've all seen Predator, and all the action movies since where they used a lazer pointer to threaten somebody, or signal to the audience where the bullet is going to go?
That's all it is, an accessory. It doesn't make the gun any deadlier, but to a certain mindset (Including proto-spree killers) it doesn't matter. A black Rifle doesn't make you a "Sniper," either. That doesn't keep them from selling like hotcakes, because for the most part, being a "Sniper" is a fantasy from action movies.
Just like being a Hero. A "Real American Hero" uses a gun. That's what we learned growing up. Before that, it was cops, firemen, train engineers, pilots... Pretty much ever since the 80s, the only heroic things that a boy can think of is the Goodguy with a Gun, because that's all they're exposed to any more.
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I read this morning that this Aurora, IL murder was in a Gun Free Zone.
One of many 'Gun Free Zone' murders, so sorry to say. Am sure this will be addressed by the powers that be, in Illinois.
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One of many 'Gun Free Zone' murders, so sorry to say. Am sure this will be addressed by the powers that be, in Illinois.
How, exactly? By getting rid of "Gun free zones" like courthouses? You do realize that a lot of those GFZs are to protect the "Powers that be" from assassins, with guns. JFK was shot in a "Gun Free Zone," in Dallas. So was Bobby, so was Lenon, and so was Dr. King. So was Brady, remember him?
After all, it's not like we have to worry about government Corruption in Illinois, or anything, right? Am sure we can trust "The Powers that be" to do the right thing there. :facepalm:
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So much for unenforced gun laws. This shooter filled out an application for a FOID car and was approved. He then purchased the pistol with the green laser light legitimately but then the Illinois State Police found that he had a felony conviction in Mississippi that voided his FOID card. They then sent a letter to him, as protocol dictated, asking him to turn in any firearms that he owns, since his FOID was pulled.
Someone who has lied on his application to obtain a FOID card, I doubt, will voluntarily turn in his weapons just because the State Police sent him a letter asking him to.
Just another reason the USA should adopt a waiting perioed/background check period for all guns, like Califronia has.
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So much for unenforced gun laws. This shooter filled out an application for a FOID car and was approved. He then purchased the pistol with the green laser light legitimately but then the Illinois State Police found that he had a felony conviction in Mississippi that voided his FOID card. They then sent a letter to him, as protocol dictated, asking him to turn in any firearms that he owns, since his FOID was pulled.
Someone who has lied on his application to obtain a FOID card, I doubt, will voluntarily turn in his weapons just because the State Police sent him a letter asking him to.
Just another reason the USA should adopt a waiting perioed/background check period for all guns, like Califronia has.
And in my state. To purchase any gun requires a background check. For my last handgun purchases, I had to take a safety course (an NRA one ironically) and have the state police fingerprint me.
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Try buying a gun in New Jersey.....
You have "no idea" what difficult is until you do.
Love,
Liz
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Try buying a gun in New Jersey...
Legally? I know a guy.
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New Zealand shooting: Jacinda Ardern to announce gun law reforms within 10 days (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/03/18/jacinda-ardern-announce-gun-law-reforms-within-10-days-suspect/)
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P.S. Can we get the title of this thread changed? We are waaaaaaay past 19 sadly.
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P.S. Can we get the title of this thread changed? We are waaaaaaay past 19 sadly.
+1. It could also move to Politics.
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When I originally started this thread, American had just suffered its 19th mass shooting in the first 45 days of 2018. That's 0.42 mass shootings per day.
We are 76 days into 2019, and America has had 61 mass shootings. That is 0.80 per day.
At first glance, that's double last year's rate.
Better news, though; over the whole of 2018, there were 340 mass shootings = 0.93/day.
I know a single datapoint does not represent a pattern, but where's the harm in a little optimism, eh?
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Please advise where one can find the stats cited, 340 mass shootings in 2018, for instance, and others you note.
A Website would be great, and a definition of Mass Shooting, specifically, would be wonderful.
Thank you.
When I originally started this thread, American had just suffered its 19th mass shooting in the first 45 days of 2018. That's 0.42 mass shootings per day.
We are 76 days into 2019, and America has had 61 mass shootings. That is 0.80 per day.
At first glance, that's double last year's rate.
Better news, though; over the whole of 2018, there were 340 mass shootings = 0.93/day.
I know a single datapoint does not represent a pattern, but where's the harm in a little optimism, eh?
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Thank you.
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A Website would be great, and a definition of Mass Shooting, specifically, would be wonderful.
Biggedy (https://www.shootingtracker.com/)
Bam (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mass+shooting+definition)
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Please advise where one can find the stats cited, 340 mass shootings in 2018, for instance, and others you note.
A Website would be great, and a definition of Mass Shooting, specifically, would be wonderful.
Thank you.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/about
Any shooting incident with four or more victims (I believe this is the definition used by all US law enforcement agencies?)
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MSD Community Mourns Loss Of Recent Grad Who Took Her Own Life (https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/03/21/msd-community-mourns-loss-of-recent-grad-who-took-her-own-life/)
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Thank you.
Please advise where one can find the stats cited, 340 mass shootings in 2018, for instance, and others you note.
A Website would be great, and a definition of Mass Shooting, specifically, would be wonderful.
Thank you.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/about
Any shooting incident with four or more victims (I believe this is the definition used by all US law enforcement agencies?)
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Second Parkland shooting survivor kills himself. Here’s what leaders are doing about it (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article228350134.html)
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Father of Sandy Hook shooting victim found dead in apparent suicide, police say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/03/25/father-sandy-hook-shooting-victim-found-dead-apparent-suicide-police-say/?utm_term=.f2e5ec739f9a)
Fuck.
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New Zealand's parliament voted 119-1 to change its gun laws, less than a month after mass shooting (https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/10/asia/new-zealand-gun-law-reform-intl/index.html)
(CNN)New Zealand's parliament has voted almost unanimously in favor of changing the country's gun laws, less than a month after a mass shooting left 50 people dead.
Members of parliament voted 119 to 1 in favor of the ban on military-style semi-automatic weapons Wednesday, as Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern told lawmakers they were giving "a voice" to those killed in the Christchurch massacre.
Once the bill is granted royal assent by the country's governor-general, it could come into force as law as soon as Friday, TVNZ reported.
The passage of the bill comes just weeks after the March 15 mass shooting at two Christchurch mosques, which Ardern described as "the darkest of days in New Zealand's history."
"We are ultimately here because 50 people died, and they do not have a voice," she told parliament Wednesday. "We in this house are their voice, and today, we have used that voice wisely."
Ardern also said that a buyback scheme would ensure that gun owners would not lose out financially.
The Australian man accused of carrying out the attack, Brenton Tarrant, 28, was last week formally charged with 50 counts of murder and 39 attempted murder counts.
He is due to reappear in court on June 14, after a mental health assessment.
It appears it's not as difficult or unwanted as people claim.
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Australia: We have a problem. Let’s ban assault style weapons.
America: It’s just too soon. We need time to mourn before engaging in political debate. Give thoughts and prayers a chance first. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
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Australia: We have a problem. Let’s ban assault style weapons.
America: It’s just too soon. We need time to mourn before engaging in political debate. Give thoughts and prayers a chance first. Lather. Rinse. Repeat.
And give me time to stock up on stuff.
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https://www.wikihow.com/Become-a-New-Zealand-Citizen
No pesky U.S. Constitution to deal with, makes life so much easier.
One way flight less than $1000 from most major U.S. Airports.
Go for it!
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Yellow wall likes seeing children shot in school and worshippers shot in prayer.
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Colorado governor signs 'red flag' gun bill (https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/438768-colorado-governor-signs-red-flag-gun-bill)
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Hmmm, my Brother in Law lives in Colorado, and already had his guns taken away by the local (Colorado Springs) magistrate, after he had a violent bout of PTSD. IDK if this was a local thing, a particular case (Anecdotal) or they just made it state law, but they have done it before, and he was a decorated Veteran of 3 wars.
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www. maybe politicians should start to talk about the underlying problems rather than concentrate I exclusively upon a tool. www.ssristories.net/school-shootings/ They may want to look more closely into the mental health industry rather than say it has nothing to do with the shootings. Just a thought.
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‘It can happen anywhere’: After a deadly shooting, trauma and tragedy. But not surprise. (https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article229946224.html#)
Gabe Cartagena, 21, has twice seen guns send his school into lockdown.
It first happened over a decade ago, at Mountain View Elementary in Hickory, when his teacher told the class of 7-year-olds to hide against a wall, following a threat from a cafeteria worker.
The second time was this past week, as a student entered a UNC Charlotte classroom and began shooting, killing two students, putting another four in the hospital, and turning the last day of classes into a day of utter chaos.
“You kind of always expect that one day, it will happen to you,” said Cartagena, a junior. “I was raised with it, I guess.”
In the wake of that deadly — and so far, unexplained — attack, the reaction on campus was one of grief, and fear, and trauma. But it was not one of shock: An incident like Tuesday’s shooting, he and other students said, was going to happen eventually. It was only a matter of time.
Like much of the UNCC student body, he is part of what some have called “Generation Lockdown”: They grew up with news of Sandy Hook and Parkland, and they remember crawling under tables for drills in elementary school. When it wasn’t a drill this time, they knew more about response protocols than many adults on campus.
But that’s also perhaps because it wasn’t the first time many of those young people, like Cartagena, were facing this kind of incident.
Since 1999, more than 226,000 students have experienced gun violence at school, a Washington Post analysis found. In North Carolina alone, there have been at least 13 incidents in that time period, according to The Post.
Researchers have found conflicting data on whether the incidence of those shootings is in fact on the rise in the United States, though the number of people killed has increased. (Under some definitions, the attack at UNC Charlotte would not be counted because fewer than four people died.)
But culturally speaking, the fear and awareness of those incidents is undoubtedly on the rise.
“People think going and shooting places up is what you do when you don’t have anything else you can do,” said UNCC senior Sena Sarikaya, but “that’s something that goes through people’s minds in this culture right now.”
FOR SOME FAMILIES, THE SECOND SCHOOL SHOOTING IN MONTHS
Sarikaya, 21, had already seen the alert that flashed on her phone screen Tuesday evening, telling her to “RUN, HIDE, FIGHT.”
It was the same one she had heard in high school, as she went through lockdown after lockdown preparing for what might happen. And it was the same command her 17-year-old sister Amela repeated at home last fall, when it did happen: one student fatally shot another right across the hall from her classroom at Butler High School.
Now, Sarikaya said, her parents are telling her not to return to campus, for fear that more violence will occur. And the family is simply awaiting the day when their youngest sister, now in middle school, will face a shooting.
“If it isn’t her middle school, it’s going to be her high school,” she said. “If it’s not her high school, it’s going to be her college.”
Closer to campus, Rania Hamdan, 21, found out about the attack as she was driving back to pick up her graduation cord. In the midst of the chaos, she spoke over the phone with a friend from Switzerland.
“How are you being so calm about this?” he asked her.
Hamdan’s answer was simple: This wasn’t the first time something like this had happened, she said. A few months ago, she frantically woke up to a call from her mother. There was a shooting going on at her high school.
“To be doing that for the second time in several months,” she said, “that’s when I really started to get upset.”
On any other Tuesday, Hamdan would have been leading a Model UN meeting a few yards away from the site of the shooting in Kennedy Hall. She would have been with many of her closest friends.
“When we do see it in the news, we’re so desensitized to it, because it’s happening so much,” she said. “But when we see it happening in our community again, it’s not just a headline.”
And yet, Hamdan said, the shock doesn’t last that long.
On Monday, the day before the shooting, Butler High commemorated the six-month anniversary of the attack on its grounds and the death of sophomore Bobby McKeithen III. Administrators put a plaque up in memory of McKeithen and asked all faculty and students to sign a “Butler Strong” pledge.
Two days later, with the hashtag #UNCCStrong trending on Twitter, the high school students all wore green. At UNCC, the crowds of college students who poured onto campus to a student-organized vigil, lighting candles in memory of the two students who had been killed.
UNCC student body president Chandler Crean described Tuesday as “the saddest day in UNC Charlotte history.”
“We have to stand strong together, love one another and stand up for each other,” Crean told the crowd.
Hamdan, the senior, heard her classmates — those who were not too afraid to return to campus — say that “this isn’t Charlotte.” But she pushed back against that idea.
“How is Charlotte any different than Baltimore? How is UNC Charlotte any different than Virginia Tech? How is Butler any different than Parkland?” Hamdan asked. “We’re all living under the same circumstances. It can happen anywhere.”
THEIR CLASS PROJECT: A MEMORIAL FOR MASS SHOOTINGS
Nick Jensen, 19, was with Cartagena, driving to Plaza Midwood when he heard about the attack at Kennedy Hall. He said he was equally unsurprised: A threat had shut down his high school, Southeast Guilford near Greensboro, about four years ago.
“As much as I didn’t want it to happen, it was a thing that I expected would happen,” Jensen said. “It’s something that’s expected at pretty much every university and high school and is eventually happening at every university and high school.”
He had also spent much of this semester thinking about mass shootings, tasked with designing a memorial in his architecture class with Professor Rachel Dickey. Without a specific location, the project instructed them to respond to and memorialize shootings in some way.
“It is such a ubiquitous concept that my professor felt it was important to acknowledge it in our studies,” Jensen said.
Jensen went to the Wikipedia list of mass shootings in the U.S. and wrote them all down one by one in order to try and grasp the extent of the problem, jotting down the location and death toll for each one.
He designed a field of posts, where the height of each post corresponded to the number of people killed in each shooting, as a way to visualize the epidemic.
“If you’re presented with having to stand at look at something, it kind of brings the issue into scale,” he said. “It’s become so common that we don’t realize just how big a problem it is.”
A CALL TO ACTION, AND A CALL TO ARMS
Like many others, 21-year-old Dalton Kirby, said Tuesday wasn’t his first brush with the issue of guns on campus.
Growing up in Chattanooga, Tenn., Kirby said he had done plenty of active shooter drills in high school. Once, the threat became real when a shooter in the neighborhood tried to seek shelter at his high school.
He was nearby, but off-campus, when Tuesday’s shooting put UNCC on lockdown. And he said that having gone through another incident makes him want to own a gun.
“If somebody walks through my house with a gun, they’re getting shot. Plain and simple,” Kirby said.
But he’s likely an outlier on campus, and nationally, as similar incidents across the country have sparked a wave of youth activism calling for gun control, he’s an outlier.
The UNCC chapter of March for Our Lives NC had been formed barely a few months ago. In the wake of this past week’s tragedy, they rallied around the clock to put together a “rally for remembrance” on campus Friday. And this time, it was political.
“The type of culture that we live in normalizes this violence,” said junior Cade Lee, 19, the chapter leader. “We recognize that a large majority of our politicians aren’t doing anything to stop this problem.”
On Friday afternoon students and elected officials told a crowd of about a hundred students — many of them still wearing green — to express their anger and emotions following the shooting when they go vote.
U.S. Rep. Alma Adams, a former college professor, said that she never felt afraid while teaching on campus. But she’s fearful for her grandson, who will head off to college in the fall.
“It’s all about power, and you have it,” the Charlotte Democrat told the crowd. “But you have to use it.”
Students’ signs echoed the same messages: “Ballots not bullets.” “Guns don’t vote, but I do.” “You can put a silencer on a gun, but not on the voice of the people.”
Kristine Slade, a senior who planned the vigil earlier in the week, told the the crowd that the deaths of Riley Howell and Ellis “Reed” Parlier in Tuesday’s shooting should motivate them to keep fighting for change — for solutions, and for stricter gun laws.
“This has got to end,” Slade said.
An hour away in Greensboro, she said, there had been reports of an active shooter threat at North Carolina A&T.
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At least seven injured in school shooting in suburban Denver, 2 suspects in custody (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/07/us/colorado-denver-area-school-shooting/index.html)
At least seven, possibly eight victims were injured Tuesday in a shooting at a school in suburban Denver, authorities said.
Douglas County Undersheriff Holly Nicholson-Kluth said two suspects are in custody in the shooting at the STEM School Highlands Ranch, which covers K-12.
Nicholson-Kluth said she believed the victims were injured by gunfire.
The shooting started in the middle school just before 2 p.m., Nicholson-Kluth said. A school official called authorities to report that shots were fired, she said.
"Over the next few minutes, quite a few shots were fired," she said.
Police and sheriff's deputies were on scene almost immediately, she said.
"As officers were arriving at the school they could still hear gunshots," Nicholson-Kluth said.
Nicholson-Kluth said authorities don't know at this point if the suspected shooters are students.
Though authorities initially said they were looking for a possible third suspect, Nicholson-Kluth said they are no longer looking for another suspect.
At least seven injured in school shooting in suburban Denver, 2 suspects in custody
By Sheena Jones, Steve Almasy and Darran Simon, CNN
Updated 6:28 PM ET, Tue May 7, 2019
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(CNN)At least seven, possibly eight victims were injured Tuesday in a shooting at a school in suburban Denver, authorities said.
Douglas County Undersheriff Holly Nicholson-Kluth said two suspects are in custody in the shooting at the STEM School Highlands Ranch, which covers K-12.
Nicholson-Kluth said she believed the victims were injured by gunfire.
The shooting started in the middle school just before 2 p.m., Nicholson-Kluth said. A school official called authorities to report that shots were fired, she said.
"Over the next few minutes, quite a few shots were fired," she said.
Officers heard gunshots as they arrived, undersheriff says
Police and sheriff's deputies were on scene almost immediately, she said.
"As officers were arriving at the school they could still hear gunshots," Nicholson-Kluth said.
A community grieves after a mass shooting at the STEM School Highlands Ranch.
A community grieves after a mass shooting at the STEM School Highlands Ranch.
Nicholson-Kluth said authorities don't know at this point if the suspected shooters are students.
Though authorities initially said they were looking for a possible third suspect, Nicholson-Kluth said they are no longer looking for another suspect.
Injuries in school shooting
At least three local hospitals were treating eight patients after the shooting.
Five patients were being treated at Littleton Adventist Hospital in Littleton, hospital spokeswoman Wendy Forbes told CNN in an email.
One victim was in good condition at Children's Hospital Colorado South Campus in Highlands Ranch, according to Jaime Berg, a spokeswoman.
Two juvenile patients were being treated at the Sky Ridge Medical Center in Lone Tree.
The STEM School was placed on lockdown after the shooting, the Douglas County School District said in a tweet. All other Highlands Ranch schools were on a lockout, the tweet said.
The lockout was later lifted from Highlands Ranch schools, the district said.
"This is a good community. It's usually very quiet, extremely low crime rate," said the undersheriff, who has been with the department 30 years.
The STEM School has about 1,800 students, the undersheriff said. It is located about seven miles from Columbine High School, which is in Littleton, Colorado.
On April 20, 1999, two students killed 12 of their classmates and one teacher in a mass shooting at Columbine High.
Douglas County Schools were closed April 17 as authorities scrambled to find an armed Florida teen they said was infatuated with the Columbine massacre. The woman, authorities said, made threats before she traveled to Colorado, where she died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
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A STEM school. Going for extra credit on the anti-intellectualism.
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“This is an epidemic,” Malone, who lives minutes from STEM School, spoke out on school shootings (https://milehighsports.com/this-is-an-epidemic-malone-who-lives-minutes-from-stem-school-spoke-out-on-school-shootings/)
Just before 2pm MDT on Tuesday, May 7th, a report surfaced in that there was yet another school shooting in a suburb of Colorado.
At the STEM School in Highlands Ranch, two shooters walked into the building just before school was released and opened fire on children and staff alike. By the time the terror had ended, eight students were injured and one of them had died. Both shooters are now in custody according to the New York Times.
That is why Denver Nuggets head coach Michael Malone made a point to begin his pregame press conference with a statement on the shooting.
“I wanted to start out with a quick word,” Malone stated with a rare shudder in his voice. “I think we are all aware of what happened down in Highlands Ranch today at the STEM School. That is a community that I live in. I know that thoughts and prayers are never enough, but one student was killed, (seven) were injured today. From myself, our team, our organization, our thoughts and prayers are with all of those families, those students, school administrators, everybody that was there today. It is a tragedy.”
Malone also made a point to pay his respects to the first responders who heroism likely saved many lives, but also made a separate point afterwards that relates to the terrifying amount lives that have been affected by this type of violence.
“The second thing that I would like to say is a thank you to the Douglas County Sheriffs Department that was there and on top of it in a matter of minutes and all of the first responders that were there and did not allow that to become worse than it was, but it is a shame,” Malone stated as the emotion of the moment was clearly becoming hard for him to manage. “My girls have been in lockout twice in the past month. I am not a politician and I do not have the answers, but something must change. I just wanted to make sure I acknowledged what happened today, in my backyard, and that all of those families are on my mind.”
For Malone, this shooting hit him hard because it was just two minutes away from his home in Highlands Ranch and resulted in both of his daughters, who were both in school just down the street, going into lockdown with no knowledge of where the shooter could be or if their lives were in danger.
“The school is literally two minutes from where I live,” Malone explained. “It is right down Broadway in Highlands Ranch.”
For Malone, once he left his house and family in the morning to conduct shootaround with his team, he never returned to his home in the quiet Highlands Ranch suburb of Denver. He instead does as he usually does; stayed in his office and continued to prepare for the game ahead, but on Tuesday afternoon, he received a phone call that eliminated all thoughts of basketball from his head. His wife called him and told him that both of his daughters’ schools were in lockdown as an active shooter shot round after round into students and Malone had no idea if his family was safe.
“I only found out about it when I was in my office and I got a call from my wife and she was the one that told me about it,” Malone explained. “The thing that makes you angry is that she is telling me how scared my daughters are in their schools texting her. They do not know what is going on. It is a lockout. ‘Where is this shooter? Is it at our school or some other school?’
“When kids go to school they should be going to school to learn, have fun, and be with their friends. Not worrying about an active shooter. We are all part of this, right? We all have families, kids, nieces, nephews, whatever it is. It is just frustrating and it gets you angry because it hits home. That is how I felt today.”
For Malone, he still has a game to coach on Tuesday night. His Nuggets squad is currently tied 2-2 in the second round of the playoffs against the Portland Trail Blazers, but when Game 5 comes and goes, he will still be left with two daughters that have to constantly live with the worry that a shooter could come into their school at any time and put their lives in danger. How does a parent even begin to have such a horrendous discussion with their child? For Malone, he has no answer.
“That is a great question,” Malone said when asked how he and his wife will discuss this issue with their daughters. “It is not something that I have really thought about. I am texting my daughter telling her she is going to be ok, but I do not even know if she will be ok. This is every partents worst nightmare.
“It is something that, when you see your kids go to school in the morning, you say ‘have a great day’ and you assume everything is just going to be alright, but as we all know, it is not. So you figure it out.”
For Malone, he wanted to send love to the families, victims, and all parties who were traumatized by the horrific events that unfolded at STEM School in Highlands Ranch, but he also wanted to make sure he hammered a particular point. This issue of school shootings is a plague — or as Malone put it, an epidemic — that is resulting in unnecessary deaths of children and that something needs to happen.
“It is not just Highlands Ranch. It is not just Colorado,” Malone stated angrily. “This is an epidemic and it continues to happen. That is the frustrating thing. How do you stop it? Gun control, laws, whatever it might be. I am not a politician and I do not want to sit up here and soapbox. I just want everybody back in Highlands Ranch to know that we are with you.”
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More than 228,000 students have experienced gun violence at school since Columbine (https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/local/school-shootings-database/?utm_term=.102c46e39656)
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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/may/8/devon-erickson-stem-school-highlands-ranch-shootin/
Devon Ericson, 18 yo gunman, and second person, juvenile female, in custody and awaiting further investigation, charges, in CO school shooting.
Authorities are very careful, seems about what information has been released so far. Female shooter(s) seems unusual to me, but not many comments so far.
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A Half-Century of School Shootings Like
Columbine, Sandy Hook and Parkland (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/11/us/school-shootings-united-states.html)
A shooting at a school in Highlands Ranch, Colo., on Tuesday in which one student was killed and eight others were injured swiftly drew comparisons to the 1999 attack on nearby Columbine High School and the dozens of shootings like it in the years since.
The attack was the fourth such school shooting in the Denver area and at least the 111th in the country since 1970, according to a New York Times analysis — the latest in a decades-long series of violent episodes that have shocked the nation and traumatized generations of students.
The Times examined hundreds of episodes in a database of shootings at elementary, middle and high schools to identify those cases where, like at Highlands Ranch and Columbine, the assailants planned their attacks and fired indiscriminately.
A total of 202 people were killed in these attacks and 454 were injured, including the shooters. In 16 cases, shots were fired but no one was injured.
Last year was particularly violent: 29 people were killed and 48 were injured in three shootings in Parkland, Fla.; Sante Fe, Tex.; and Benton, Ky.
Shootings of this type are rare relative to the larger universe of gun violence at schools, but they are common enough that lockdown drills and “run, hide, fight” exercises are part of the school experience all over the country. Before Highlands Ranch there was Marjory Stoneman Douglas. Before Marjory Stoneman Douglas there was Sandy Hook. Before Sandy Hook, Columbine, and before Columbine, Cleveland Elementary in Stockton, Calif.
The school shootings database, compiled by the Naval Postgraduate School’s Center for Homeland Defense and Security, is the most comprehensive and detailed of its kind. Researchers aimed to document all instances of gunfire at K-12 schools since 1970 and recorded a total of more than 1,300 cases. The database does not include shootings on college campuses.
The Times’s analysis identified the 111 cases that met the F.B.I.’s definition for an active-shooter scenario, in which an assailant is actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people, on school property or inside school buildings. It excluded episodes that fit more typical patterns of gun violence such as targeted attacks, gang shootings and suicides.
These events have stunned much of the country and, in the case of the Parkland shooting, inspired a national student-led movement to tighten the nation’s gun laws. But they account for only a small fraction of the episodes of gun violence that children experience in American schools.
Other cases might include a student showing off a gun to friends in the hallway, the accidental discharge of a school resource officer’s gun, or a gang-related drive-by shooting at a school bus stop.
“There are shootings that occur in very wealthy counties and very poor counties, ones that happen in very diverse areas and very homogenous areas,” said David Riedman, a co-creator of the database.
Active shooters may attack anywhere, but a demographic analysis shows they tend to have traits in common. The majority of shooters were young white men or boys, many of them current or former students of the schools where they opened fire.
Some shooters followed a now-familiar blueprint. Peter Langman, a psychologist who studies school shooters, said younger assailants are especially likely to find inspiration in earlier events. “More than anyone else, people cite the Columbine killers,” Mr. Langman said.
That episode intensified a debate over gun violence that continues to divide the nation and drove districts to allocate hundreds of millions of dollars to “harden” schools against threats.
The Highlands Ranch shooting similarly renewed old questions about gun access and how best to protect students from shootings. At a vigil for the victims on Wednesday, Colorado’s senior senator criticized the country’s gun laws.
Mr. Riedman, who spent hours poring over news reports and public records on hundreds of shootings to build the database, said school safety measures should take into account not only the incidents like Columbine but also the many other ways guns and schools can intersect in America.
“These shootings have been carried out by all sorts of people from students to total strangers,” Mr. Reidman said. “They’ve happened in any part of the country and they’ve happened for just about every reason, and that makes prevention very difficult. There can’t be any one single or simple solution that’s going to address this problem.”
If you click the link there are embedded graphics that better explain the findings.
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Twelve people killed in shooting at Virginia Beach municipal complex, police say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-respond-to-shooting-at-virginia-beach-municipal-complex/2019/05/31/49dca07a-83e6-11e9-933d-7501070ee669_story.html?utm_term=.faac9dd78b73)
A longtime municipal employee in Virginia Beach shot and killed 12 people Friday afternoon and injured several others inside a public works building before he was killed in a fierce gun battle with police, city officials said.
Police Chief James A. Cervera said an officer was among the wounded but was saved by his protective vest. He said the gunman “fired indiscriminately” with a .45 caliber semiautomatic handgun on several floors of the building, one of many in the complex.
The chief said people were found wounded on all three floors and one was shot in a vehicle outside. He said four victims were in surgery Friday night but there might be others who sought treatment on their own.
Speaking at a late night news conference, Cervera, along with the mayor and Virginia’s governor, spoke in impassioned tones about the horror of what unfolded in a building used by as many as 400 workers as well as residents trying to obtain building permits, pay water bills or work through zoning issues.
The chief said police were working to notify family members of the slain victims, who were not identified Friday night. He said they have identified the shooter but would not make the name public until they could reach certain relatives.
Cervera said the shooter was armed with a gun with an attached sound suppressor and extended magazines, enabling him to fire many rounds and engage four police officers in what the chief described as a “longterm gunbattle” down building hallways.
“The officers stopped the suspect from doing more carnage in the building,” Cervera said.
The chief said authorities will name the shooter, who according to a city spokesman worked in the public utilities department, only once. Thereafter, “he will be forever referred to as the suspect. Our focus is on the dignity to the victims in this case and their families.”
Police had no immediate information as to a possible motive.
Mayor Bobby Dyer told reporters that “today is Virginia Beach’s darkest hour.” He said a “senseless crime happened and imposed tremendous grief upon the people of Virginia Beach, the Commonwealth and this country.”
Gov. Ralph Northam said the victims, shot near the end of the last day of the week, “were heading into the summer weekend. That they should be taken in this matter is the worst kind of tragedy.”
He added that the shooting, “tests our souls.”
Friday’s shooting added another city to the growing list of places affected by a mass shooting. It is the deadliest since February, when a warehouse employee in Aurora, Ill., opened fire after being told he would lose his job. That gunman killed five people and injured five police officers before dying in a shootout with law enforcement personnel.
Virginia Beach, a resort city with an population of about 450,000, is the most populous city in the state. It has nearly twice as many residents as Richmond. The municipal center is a sprawling compound of more than 30 buildings and annexes that includes City Hall, courts and offices for multiple city departments, a city directory shows.
The three-story Building 2, where the shooting occurred, has workers who inspect properties, issue building permits, handle zoning issues and deal with the complex issues of public works, from trash pickup to water distribution.
“It’s where all of our city business is located,” City Councilman Aaron R. Rouse said.
Edward Weeden, an office assistant in Building 2, said he was at the first-floor reception desk when he heard a sound coming from the direction of a staircase. He and another employee went toward it and found a woman lying at the bottom of the steps, he said.
The woman was not responsive and was bloodied, Weeden said. One of his co-workers ran upstairs to check on what happened and fled back down, announcing that there was a shooter.
Weeden ran out of the building as law enforcement began to swarm. “I thank God for getting me out of that building,” he said.
Megan Banton, who works in the public works building where the shooting occurred, said she was on the second floor when her supervisor heard a loud noise and told people to go into her office.
The sound of gunshots continued as about 20 people huddled on the floor after they barricaded the door with a desk. “We kept hearing gunfire,” Banton said. “We were trying to keep as quiet as possible.”
She said some people in the office were crying, while others appeared nervous and some remained silent.
Conditions of the surviving victims were not immediately available, and a precise count was not provided. Though police said four were in surgery, officials said there might be others. Hospital at Sentara Virginia Beach General Hospital reported two people in critical condition and two in fair condition. One patient at Sentara Norfolk General Hospital in critical condition.
Banton, the employee who was on the second floor of the public works building, said she has an 11-month-old baby boy and sheltered in the office wondering if she would ever see him again.
“You never think this is going to happen to you. When it happens to you, it’s totally different,” Banton said.
Sheila Cook, who was in the courthouse in the complex, told a local television news station she heard muffled gunshots but knew it wasn’t in her building. She said police acted quickly to alert people that they were safe after the shooter had been apprehended.
“That was enough to make me feel safe enough to come outside, and that God was with us,” she said. She added, “I’m feeling shaken and relieved at the same time.”
Harold Gaskill, a supervisor in the permits and inspections office, was at home on his last day of a week-long vacation when news of the shooting broke. He said he spent the next two hours calling his workers and other colleagues to make sure they were okay. Everyone he knew made it through unharmed, he said.
Gaskill, 63, has worked for the city for 29 years. He said he works on the first floor of Building frequented by the public. He said he was told by co-workers that the shootings occurred on the second and third floors, where offices for public works and utilities are located.
“As far as I know, everyone in my office is okay,” Gaskill said. He added that he has not learned names of the dead or injured, or that of the shooter. “It’s just hard to believe right now,” he said. “I don’t understand it.”
“There is no way to describe an incident such as this,” Cervera said. “The suspect was immediately confronted . . . our citizens can rest easy tonight. We do not have someone out in the community to do more harm.”
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did the shooting happen in a gun free zone? most shooting happen in the zones where self defence isn't allowed
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‘Nothing short of horrific’: Three killed, including two children, in shooting at California food festival (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/07/29/multiple-people-reportedly-injured-shooting-california-food-festival/?utm_term=.e5da9495188b)
GILROY, Calif. — The late afternoon sun beat down on Julissa Contreras as she browsed the offerings at a barbecue food tent at the Gilroy Garlic Festival on Sunday with her father and her boyfriend.
Then, Contreras said she noticed a man emerging from behind a row of tents at the popular summertime event in Gilroy, Calif. He was dressed in a military-style outfit and holding what appeared to be an assault rifle, she told The Washington Post. Four loud cracks rang out in quick succession. The man was shooting “left to right and right to left,” she said.
“Some people immediately knew what was going on and saw the guy and ran,” Contreras said. “Some people were still sitting there unsure.”
Three people were killed in the shooting, among them two children, a 6-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl, authorities said. The third victim was a man in his 20s, they said. A dozen other people were injured.
“It’s sort of a nightmare that you hope you never have to live in reality,” Gilroy Police Chief Scot Smithee said.
The attacker has been identified as Santino William Legan, a 19-year-old from the area, Smithee said at a briefing Monday morning.
Smithee said police engaged Legan in a gunfight within a minute and killed him, praising the officers for confronting the attacker so quickly. He also noted that they were outgunned — wielding handguns against a shooter firing an assault-style rifle — and said that without their prompt actions, “there absolutely would have been more bloodshed.”
Attempts to reach Legan’s relatives were not immediately successful Monday.
So far, early evidence in the case does not suggest that the shooting was connected to international terrorism, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on the condition of anonymity. The official cautioned that investigators were still gathering evidence.
A shaken Smithee, speaking to reporters Monday morning, said that officials had not determined a possible motive for the shooting, warning that the investigation would be lengthy.
“It seems that this was a random act, but again, we’ve got a long way to go before we can come to a determination what his motivation was,” he said.
Police were searching for a possible second suspect in the case, Smithee said, although he added that it was unclear what role that person may have had or whether he or she was involved in shooting. Smithee said that police have heard multiple reports about the attacker having someone with him but that “different people gave different versions” of what they saw.
A swath of local, state and federal authorities were helping respond to the shooting. On Monday, the FBI said it has deployed an evidence recovery team of about 30 people to help scour the sprawling crime scene and mark and map evidence. They are also trying to help investigators determine whether the attacker was driven by a specific ideology.
“Our preeminent and principal concern at this point is motivation, ideological leanings,” Craig D. Fair, assistant special agent in charge of the FBI’s San Francisco office, said at a news briefing. “Was he affiliated with anyone or any group? It still has to be ruled out, still has to be determined, at this point.”
The first reports of gunshots at the festival came in around 5:41 p.m. local time, just as the event was wrapping up, Smithee said.
In an interview with NBC Bay Area, Alberto Romero confirmed that his 6-year-old son, Stephen, had died. The boy’s mother and grandmother were also shot and injured, the news station reported.
“I lost my son,” Alberto Romero told the news station. “There’s nothing I really can do besides try to be with him until I can put him in his resting spot.”
Romero later added: “My son had his whole life to live, and he was only 6.”
The shooter was carrying an “assault-type rifle,” the city of Gilroy said in a statement early Monday. Investigators believe the suspect entered the festival area by cutting through a perimeter fence, Smithee told reporters. He noted that security at the festival’s official entrances is “very tight,” despite a lack of posted security cameras. In addition to a police presence, attendees are subject to bag searches and metal-detector wanding, he said.
“It’s just incredibly sad and disheartening that an event that does so much good for our community has to suffer from a tragedy like this,” Smithee said.
By early Monday, the festival area was still the site of an “active investigation,” Gilroy Mayor Roland Velasco said during the news conference. Velasco said authorities “plan on being out there all night.”
At the scene after 11 p.m. local time, a steady stream of emergency vehicles and officers in tactical gear crossed back and forth across a line of police tape. Helicopters circled overhead. Dozens of officers were gathered on the park grounds. Many evacuees were stranded after the festival because their vehicles were parked inside an active crime scene. Some gathered on a bus outside the festival site, while others called ride-hailing services to get home.
“To have seen this event end this way, this day, is just one of the most tragic and sad things that I’ve ever had to see,” Brian Bowe, the festival’s executive director, said at the news conference. “We all feel so upset for those that are impacted — friends, families, neighbors. It’s just a horrible thing to experience, and we couldn’t feel worse.”
Edward and Jane Jacobucci were working at their Garlic Grater booth when gunshots echoed around the park. Jane said she saw the shooter up close.
“He was tall, young, thin. He had a camouflage outfit on with a big gun, and he was just going, ‘Boom, boom, boom!’ ” she told The Post.
Suddenly, her husband threw himself on top of her. “He actually threw me to the ground and just covered me, and then as soon as we heard it stop a little, we ran,” she said.
Meanwhile, Contreras said she and her father dived behind a food tent when the shooting started, separating from her boyfriend, Mario Camargo, who ran toward another group of tents. In their respective hiding spots, Contreras and Camargo both huddled with crying children and frantic parents as the mayhem unfolded around them. Some people froze, and others sprinted. Some appeared to play dead, Camargo told The Post.
Once they heard the gunfire stop, Contreras and Camargo each made a run for the entrance, eventually reuniting in the parking lot. Camargo said he saw two wounded people as he fled.
“One guy was able to talk. He was saying, ‘Just go! Just go!’ ” Camargo recalled. “People were crying, screaming, running in different directions. It was complete pandemonium.”
Videos uploaded to social media showed the chaotic scenes.
“What’s going on?” a person asked in one of the videos. Seconds later, a sharp crack echoed, prompting screams as people could be seen hustling to find shelter.
“Oh, they’re shooting,” a breathless voice could be heard saying.
Suzanne Lopez and Wendy Stroh had arrived 20 minutes early for their shift volunteering at the festival, around 5:40 p.m., when they heard an eruption of what sounded like fireworks and alerted emergency medical and security crews nearby.
“We turned to [the crews], we said, ‘It’s not firecrackers, it’s gunfire,’ ” Lopez recalled. “And then, they immediately got up, they gathered all of us, put us in the trailer.”
Lopez said there were 20 or so people in the trailer for hours, praying, receiving scant updates on what was happening outside from EMS crews, news sources and Facebook. She and Stroh were finally released around 11:20 p.m. local time.
“Why?” said Lopez of the shooting, “Really, that’s my question — why?”
California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) called the incident “nothing short of horrific.” San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo (D) tweeted that the city’s police and fire department had been sent to Gilroy to help with what he called a “horrific shooting.” Smithee said officials in Gilroy were assisted by law enforcement agencies from across Santa Clara and Monterey counties. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ San Francisco field division and the FBI also responded to the scene, CBS News reported.
President Trump discussed the shooting during an event in Washington, condemning what he called the “wicked murderer” in California.
“We grieve for their families, and we ask that God will comfort them with his overflowing mercy and grace,” he said.
Sen. Kamala D. Harris (D-Calif.) tweeted that her office is “closely monitoring the situation.”
“Grateful to first responders who are on the scene in Gilroy and keeping those injured by such senseless violence in my thoughts,” she said.
The Gilroy Garlic Festival, founded in 1979, is billed as “the world’s greatest summer food festival” and draws thousands of visitors each year, marking a proud tradition for the small city. Hours after the shooting, electric highway signs still directed passersby to festival parking. A nearby Walmart had a mock Gilroy Garlic Festival float adorned with sunflowers and baskets of fresh garlic on sale.
As night fell, the sights were a grim reminder of what had transpired hours before. Residents lamented how a wholesome family gathering known for bringing people together to enjoy traditions like garlic ice cream was torn apart by gunfire.
“We have the wonderful opportunity in this community to celebrate our family through our garlic festival,” Bowe said early Monday. “For over four decades, that festival has been our annual family reunion. It is such a sad, just horribly upsetting circumstance that this happened.”
Witnesses at the scene said the chaos and bloodshed will be hard to shake. Contreras said there was one moment that she couldn’t stop thinking about. When the gunfire broke out, she looked in the direction of the gunman and saw children fleeing an inflatable slide, all trying to squeeze through the same tiny exit.
“I’m never going to forget that image,” she said.
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With all these you hear the phrase, ‘Purchased legally.’
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Can a 18 year old Vote?
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Can a 18 year old Vote?
If they voted Democrat, you'd just call them on voter fraud.
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You can't sell guns where they sell alcohol, though. So, that kid can get pissed off, walk across the street to the gun store (Wait a few days...)
It doesn't have to be an Assault Rifle. It doesn't have to be a machinegun, even a Brady Ban 10 round semi-automatic (I'm gonna say .40 calibers as it's a child of that era) can cause mass terror, and give that kid a sense of Power.
Okay, the minimum age? He can vote, and he can Enlist. If you're military, and under 25, it's not real hard to get a rental agreement, but if you take away their guns, you just have a proportionate rise in stabbings, arson, ax murders (https://www.thelocal.ch/20171023/teenager-injures-several-in-axe-attack-in-flums)... That same kid can go into Dollar Tree to buy Chlorox, and Windex. Threaded pipes, and matchheads. For me, it was aluminum shavings from machineshop, and rust. It's not rocket surgery, people are incredibly easy to kill.
"Oh, but he didn't kill that many people." I've actually fielded this argument, seriously.
How many is a rampage? Enough? Enough.
We invented guns. Not America, but we can argue that we perfected them to a degree, (And snub the Nazis of a lot of credit there.) Coming up with more creative ways to kill each other defines Humanity, throughout our history. Open a history book, at random, and tell me which War, or Battle it's about, it's what we do.
Guns didn't make us evil, taking them away isn't going to make us any better.
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Met the requirement for State Of Nevada Law.
Was a U.S. Citizen, met age requirement, with a few thousand dollars.
State photo ID, no criminal record, passed Nevada required background check.
Oh, and the waiting period, whatever it may be.
The individual is the problem, not the firearm.
Would you feel better if he had stolen the firearm?
What has Governor Steve Sisolak been asked about this?
With all these you hear the phrase, ‘Purchased legally.’
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At least this one will not get to Vote.
Can a 18 year old Vote?
If they voted Democrat, you'd just call them on voter fraud.
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Oh, and the waiting period, whatever it may be.
Whatever it may be is your problem, you just threatened to look it up. You know, you'd do a lot better in these debates if you did any of the reading, right?
The individual is the problem, not the firearm.
Fortunately, they haven't banned Individuals yet. You want to narrow that down?
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The individual is the problem, not the firearm.
Yeah, I notice you didn't respond about him being a racist shitbag. You loved that.
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At least this one will not get to Vote.
Neither will the people he killed.
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Okay, yeah but we can't shoot it out on the streets to decide who's in the Senate next year.
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Garlic Festival gun said to be a WASR-10.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/I1nbk0yHqXE/maxresdefault.jpg
Okay, yeah but we can't shoot it out on the streets to decide who's in the Senate next year.
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Garlic Festival gun said to be a WASR-10.
Didn't you just try to say it wasn't the guns, but the Individual that's important? Then why is the specific (Said to be) eastern European Knockov at all significant?
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The individual is the problem, not the firearm.
Yeah, I notice you didn't respond about him being a racist shitbag. You loved that.
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Unfortunately, being a racist shitbag isn't illegal. Ask anyone that voted Trump.
If they walk into a Texas gun shop wearing a Confederate Flag, they're just one of the 'good ol boys', and they get served the same as everyone else.
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Shooting near an El Paso mall causes 'multiple fatalities' (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/active-shooter-near-el-paso-mall-police-responding-n1039001?cid=ed_npd_bn_tw_bn)
A shooting near a shopping mall in El Paso has resulted in multiple fatalities, with at least 18 people taken to local hospitals, law enforcement officials said.
El Paso police said at about 1 p.m. local time that there were multiple fatalities and several people taken to hospitals. Police also said one person is in custody and there was no imminent threat at that point.
Earlier Saturday, in several tweets, police urged people to stay away from the area near the Cielo Vista mall due to an "active shooter."
The police tweeted that the shooter was in the area of Hawkins and Gateway East boulevards, which is the location of a Walmart.
A University Medical Center of El Paso spokesman said multiple victims have been taken to different hospitals. University Medical Center got at least 10 victims with "level one" injuries, which is the most serious level, spokesman Ryan Mielke said.
Rep. Veronica Escobar, D-Texas, was an hour into a town hall meeting at Coronado High School 15 miles from the mall, when she abruptly had to end the event because of the shooting.
“You all, I am so sorry,” she said. “There is an active shooter. We are going to need to clear the event.”
The crowd gasped in response and began to move, according to the congresswoman’s Facebook Live video.
“Oh, it’s at Cielo Vista,” Escobar quickly clarified before apologizing for not being clearer.“We’ve been asked by law enforcement to just send everybody home,” she said.
Democratic presidential hopeful Beto O’Rourke of El Paso urged residents in El Paso to "stay safe."
"Truly heartbreaking," he wrote in a tweet. "Please follow all directions of emergency personnel as we continue to get more updates."
The FBI and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives responded to the scene to assist the El Paso Police Department.
Can't wait for Yellow Wall to rationalize this one. Maybe they'll blame it on not forgiving Trump's rally debt to the city.
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Good Police have the shooter in custody, no shots fired by Police, and as well they have another person in custody, unclear that person's involvement.
Death penalty is of course the solution, for such criminals.
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Death penalty is of course the solution, for such criminals.
Isn't that for the courts to decide? What good is taking them alive, and then deciding, with no knowledge of the facts of the case, on the Death Penalty?
Most of them either kill themselves, or force the situation, which is self destructive before the first shot is even fired. It's almost invariably a Suicide mission. Why is this one different?
Wouldn't it be a good idea to question the suspect before sending them off to summary execution, so that we can learn more about the mindset that leads to such terrorist attacks?
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El Paso Mayor Dee Margo said police were investigating whether a document posted online shortly before the shooting was written by Crusius. In it, the writer expresses concern that an influx of Hispanics into the United States will replace aging white voters, potentially turning Texas blue in upcoming elections and swinging the White House to the Democrats.
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Okay, the (Alleged) ravings of a homicidal lunatic, but why the assumption that an influx of Mexican Americans would result in a "Blue" state? I know a lot of Mexican Americans, and their political views tend to be for lack of a better word, Catholic. Not exclusively, but we are talking about Votes here, so the Average is what counts.
Mexican-Americans are not Liberals. As a demographic, they're far from it. If the GoP could get over their Racism, they'd probably welcome an influx of voters who are against many of the same hot button issues, like Abortion.
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Yep! Ronnie Rayguns knew this, that's why he had an Amnesty for illegals. It worked too, Hispanics voted Republican until the GOP fucked it all up.
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Another US shooting - multiple people reported shot in Dayton, Ohio
Only in America.
Police in the US state of Ohio are responding to another mass shooting, hours after 20 people died in a mass shooting in a shopping centre at El Paso, Texas.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/114745928/shooting-in-dayton-ohio-multiple-people-reported-shot
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Really want this stuff to stop? Then take away the attention these guys get for pulling this shit. Let only the CDC report on it.
But of course that will never happen.
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Really want this stuff to stop? Then take away the attention these guys get for pulling this shit. Let only the CDC report on it.
But of course that will never happen.
I'm not so sure that that is a panacea for this particular trend. While Attention is definitely a partial motive, it doesn't have to be National attention. Arguably, the media coverage is making it memetic, this is how it's done, but it's not just the 4th estate.
It's also the Rating system, Action movies, the NRA, and what it means to be a Hero, in America. Gun Violence is driven by memetic images of heroic gun violence. Spree shooters either portray themselves as the victim (Injustice Collectors) the Hero, or ironically both. It's a delusion, persecution complex, and delusions of grandure are not mutually exclusive. "They're out to get me, because they're jealous, and scared of my Power!"
That's the delusion, subconsciously they feel powerless, ignored, and entitled to more, but these people are holding them back. "I'll show them," but in our culture, Power is symbolically represented by a Gun. More specifically, a military specification M-4 Carbine.
America's gun. If it wasn't so deep rooted a symbol, we'd see more variation in the weapon of choice. Compare/contrast with the recent spate of big dick little girl fantasies of asserting power over his daughter.
Honestly, it's basically the same fantasy. That's why they tend to target Schools.
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Nine people are dead and 16 wounded after a gunman opened fire in the US state of Ohio,
The shooting began shortly after 1am local time
Dayton Assistant Police Chief Matt Carper said officers were at the scene in Oregon District when the mass shooting occurred. Officers returned gunfire, fatally wounding the gunman after he took nine lives.
At least he won’t be writing any pedo stories now he is dead.
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At least he won’t be writing any pedo stories now he is dead.
Sorry, if this wasn't clear, but when i said it was the same (Power) fantasy, I ment it subconsciously. In the id, masculine power can be asserted either of 2 ways: Against men, either by taking his woman, or by killing him. Against a woman, but taking her (Rape is sexual violence.)
Against Society, who they blame for all their ills, they can't literally "Fuck Society." Honestly, these guys aren't creative enough to even write pedo stories. As easy as that is, the best they're able to express their power fantasy is calling you a "Cuck."
If they could use words, they would. They use guns, because nobody can yell louder than them.
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El Paso Mayor Dee Margo said police were investigating whether a document posted online shortly before the shooting was written by Crusius. In it, the writer expresses concern that an influx of Hispanics into the United States will replace aging white voters, potentially turning Texas blue in upcoming elections and swinging the White House to the Democrats.
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Banning Assault Weapons (If they ever actually define those) isn't going to change anything either. At best, they'll go back to bombing, and arson for attention. Guns don't make psychos psycho.
Am I the only one that noticed that Serial killings dropped off as Spree killings went up?
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9 killed in Ohio in second US mass shooting within 24 hours (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/at-least-16-hospitalized-as-police-investigate-ohio-shooting/2019/08/04/67d696d0-b690-11e9-acc8-1d847bacca73_story.html?utm_term=.93d4d4662ace)
DAYTON, Ohio — Nine people in Ohio have been killed in the second mass shooting in the U.S. in less than 24 hours, and the suspected shooter is also deceased, police said.
Dayton police tweeted that an active shooter situation began in the Oregon District at 1 a.m., but officers nearby were able to “put an end to it quickly.” Lt. Col. Matt Carper said at a press conference that the suspect was shot to death by responding officers.
At least 16 others were taken to local hospitals with injuries, police said. No details about the victims were released.
Police believe there was only one shooter, and have not yet identified the suspect or a motive. Carper said the suspect used a long gun and fired multiple rounds.
Miami Valley Hospital spokeswoman Terrea Little said 16 victims have been received at the hospital, but she couldn’t confirm their conditions. Kettering Health Network spokeswoman Elizabeth Long said multiple victims from a shooting had been brought to system hospitals, but didn’t have details on how many.
With a population of around 140,000 Dayton is in western Ohio, around 55 miles (90 kilometers) northeast of Cincinnati, 75 miles (120 kilometers) west of Columbus and 120 miles (195 kilometers) east of Indianapolis. The Oregon District is a historic neighborhood that Carper described as “a safe part of downtown,” home to entertainment options, including bars, restaurants and theaters. The shooting took place on the 400 block of East 5th Street.
“This is extremely unusual, obviously, for any community, let alone Dayton,” Carper said. “In our Oregon District, this is unheard of.”
The FBI is assisting with the investigation. A family assistance center was set up at the Dayton Convention Center.
The Ohio shooting came hours after a young man opened fire in a crowded El Paso, Texas, shopping area, leaving 20 dead and more than two dozen injured. Just days before, on July 28, a 19-year-old shot and killed three people, including two children, at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in Northern California.
The El Paso shooting was the 21st mass killing in the United States in 2019, according to the AP/USATODAY/Northeastern University mass murder database that tracks all U.S. homicides since 2006 involving four or more people killed — not including the offender — over a short period of time regardless of weapon, location, victim-offender relationship or motive. That makes Sunday’s shooting in Dayton the 22nd mass killed in the U.S. this year.
The first 20 mass killings in the U.S. in 2019 claimed 96 lives.
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"Take the guns, then go to court... There's no Due Process here." ~D Trump.
Impeaching, and Removing a sitting president can take orders of magnitude longer than getting a Constitutional Amendment passed. (That requires a majority of the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, AND the States.)
We're trying to do ^That. We've finally admitted that, on the floor of the House. This is an obvious distraction.
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Impeaching, and Removing a sitting president is orders of magnitude easier than getting a Constitutional Amendment passed. (That requires a majority of the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, AND the States.)
I don't see how you could possibly argue that.
The U.S. Constitution has been amended 27 times, and even if you exclude the Bill of Rights, the U.S. Constitution has been amended 17 times.
A sitting president has been impeached and convicted exactly 0 times. And only once has a president even come close to being convicted as part of the impeachment process. And that president, quite rightly, is almost universally deemed the worst president in U.S. history (present company excluded).
And the U.S. Supreme Court plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional amendment.
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I don't see how you could possibly argue that.
Simply because it takes the House of Representatives to Impeach, then the Senate to Remove a sitting president from office.
It takes the House, the Senate, (Which the President can Veto) the Supreme Court, and then the States to vote, by majority to ratify a new Amendment.
So, let's look at the Historical Precedent, shall we? The 27th Amendment was passed by Congress, in 1789. Then, it was Ratified by state Majority, in 1991.
202 years later. They only have a maximum of 8 years to Impeach, then Remove a president of office.
That's 2 orders of magnitude. I rest my case.
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I Amended my previous statement:
Impeaching, and Removing a sitting president can take orders of magnitude longer than getting a Constitutional Amendment passed.
Thank you, MB, for checking my work.
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Simply because it takes the House of Representatives to Impeach, then the Senate to Remove a sitting president from office.
It takes the House, the Senate, (Which the President can Veto) the Supreme Court, and then the States to vote, by majority to ratify a new Amendment.
So, let's look at the Historical Precedent, shall we? The 27th Amendment was passed by Congress, in 1789. Then, it was Ratified by state Majority, in 1991.
202 years later. They only have a maximum of 8 years to Impeach, then Remove a president of office.
That's 2 orders of magnitude. I rest my case.
As I stated above, the U.S. Supreme Court plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment.
On top of that, the U.S. president plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment. More to the point, a president cannot veto an amendment passed by Congress. Some presidents have signed amendments passed by Congress, but that is purely ceremonial.
So, let's look at the Historical Precedent, shall we? The 26th Amendment was passed by Congress on March 23, 1971. Then, it was Ratified by a majority of the states on July 1, 1971 -- barely three months later.
Here's your argument: It takes only two bodies -- the House and Senate -- to impeach and convict a president, yet it takes three bodies -- the House, Senate, and the States -- to ratify a Constitutional Amendment. Two is less than three, so two wins!
I would counter argue that 27 is more than 0, so 27 wins.
You seem to believe, to badly paraphrase that famous like from "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "When the theory is belied by fact, stick with the theory."
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Simply because it takes the House of Representatives to Impeach, then the Senate to Remove a sitting president from office.
It takes the House, the Senate, (Which the President can Veto) the Supreme Court, and then the States to vote, by majority to ratify a new Amendment.
So, let's look at the Historical Precedent, shall we? The 27th Amendment was passed by Congress, in 1789. Then, it was Ratified by state Majority, in 1991.
202 years later. They only have a maximum of 8 years to Impeach, then Remove a president of office.
That's 2 orders of magnitude. I rest my case.
As I stated above, the U.S. Supreme Court plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment.
On top of that, the U.S. president plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment. More to the point, a president cannot veto an amendment passed by Congress. Some presidents have signed amendments passed by Congress, but that is purely ceremonial.
So, let's look at the Historical Precedent, shall we? The 26th Amendment was passed by Congress on March 23, 1971. Then, it was Ratified by a majority of the states on July 1, 1971 -- barely three months later.
Here's your argument: It takes only two bodies -- the House and Senate -- to impeach and convict a president, yet it takes three bodies -- the House, Senate, and the States -- to ratify a Constitutional Amendment. Two is less than three, so two wins!
I would counter argue that 27 is more than 0, so 27 wins.
You seem to believe, to badly paraphrase that famous like from "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, "When the theory is belied by fact, stick with the theory."
Hello, Kristen's Board Police?
I'd like to report a murder.
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As I stated above, the U.S. Supreme Court plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment.
They have the options of reviewing, the Wording of the proposed Amendment for Constitutionality. This can delay the proceedings, as many times as they want, but you're right. They can't overturn it until it becomes Law.
On top of that, the U.S. president plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment.
No, but only the States vote on the Ratification. The president can Veto the Proposed Amendment.
Here's your argument: It takes only two bodies -- the House and Senate -- to impeach and convict a president, yet it takes three bodies -- the House, Senate, and the States -- to ratify a Constitutional Amendment.
No, that part of my argument was that 202 years>8. 2 centuries>a decade, by 2 Orders of Magnitude. (Give and take 2 years.) Also, there's no Term Limits for Congress, so they can take decades to go through the entire process of writing, and passing an Amendment (To be ratified by the States.)
Also, it's not 2>3, it's 50 states, 100 Senators, and at the moment, 435 Representatives. We need an Majority in the Senate, then the House, and Then the States (With options to veto, or edit the wording in there by the other 2 branches.) So, while you're checking my straw-lawyer's math, it's 3 Stages of ratification, which Multiplies the probability, not a tribunal voting.
If we had a tribunal, than 2 votes for outweighs 1 vote against. Which is what you boiled my argument down to. You're choosing to look at a Quadratic Equation of probability as a simple "2+1=3." as your counter-argument.
If you want my entire argument, in a nutshell, it's: "This is a lot more complicated than that," and the more details we both collectively discuss, the more of that complexity you help me detail.
Your move. Start with all the times a Bill of Rights (The first 10) Amendment has been overturned, by anyone.
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No offense, nor hard feelings intended, nor implied. This is a great debate, and I'm enjoying it immensely. Thank you, MB.
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As I stated above, the U.S. Supreme Court plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment.
They have the options of reviewing, the Wording of the proposed Amendment for Constitutionality. This can delay the proceedings, as many times as they want, but you're right. They can't overturn it until it becomes Law.
On top of that, the U.S. president plays no role in the passage and ratification of a Constitutional Amendment.
No, but only the States vote on the Ratification. The president can Veto the Proposed Amendment.
Here's your argument: It takes only two bodies -- the House and Senate -- to impeach and convict a president, yet it takes three bodies -- the House, Senate, and the States -- to ratify a Constitutional Amendment.
No, that part of my argument was that 202 years>8. 2 centuries>a decade, by 2 Orders of Magnitude. (Give and take 2 years.) Also, there's no Term Limits for Congress, so they can take decades to go through the entire process of writing, and passing an Amendment (To be ratified by the States.)
Also, it's not 2>3, it's 50 states, 100 Senators, and at the moment, 435 Representatives. We need an Majority in the Senate, then the House, and Then the States (With options to veto, or edit the wording in there by the other 2 branches.) So, while you're checking my straw-lawyer's math, it's 3 Stages of ratification, which Multiplies the probability, not a tribunal voting.
If we had a tribunal, than 2 votes for outweighs 1 vote against. Which is what you boiled my argument down to. You're choosing to look at a Quadratic Equation of probability as a simple "2+1=3." as your counter-argument.
If you want my entire argument, in a nutshell, it's: "This is a lot more complicated than that," and the more details we both collectively discuss, the more of that complexity you help me detail.
Your move. Start with all the times a Bill of Rights (The first 10) Amendment has been overturned, by anyone.
I'm a pretty smart girl, but I suck at math, and I always have. Thus, I have little idea what "orders of magnitude" means, and I have absolutely no idea what "Quadratic Equation of probability" means.
So, you have me there! Revel in it! Bask in it! Raise your eyebrows in supercilious disdain at my ignorance!
But I do know an awful lot about American History in general, and U.S. Constitutional History in particular. You know, "What Happened."
And that's the source of my argument. I could cite specific passages from the Constitution to demonstrate my assertions (Fun fact: The entirety of Article V of the Constitution, which deals with amending the Constitution, is only one short paragraph).
I could link or guide you to the parts of the Constitution that detail the Supreme Court's role in the amendment process and the president's role in the amendment process.
Oh wait, I can't! And that's because the Constitution is perfectly silent on the roles of the Supreme Court and the president in the amendment process. And that's because the Supreme Court and the president play absolutely no role in the amendment process.
Contrary to your assertion above, this isn't complex at all. Those are very simple and very understandable facts.
Believe me, I get it: A two-step process is simpler than a three-step process. Despite my general mathematical illiteracy, I really do understand that.
But that's aggressively irrelevant to the present discussion.
You can keep responding, and keep embarrassing yourself by repeating aggressively inaccurate statements. But in addition to being a smart girl, I'm also a kind girl. And I feel compelled to try to stop you from making yourself look even more ignorant, and more foolish.
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I have little idea what "orders of magnitude" means, and I have absolutely no idea what "Quadratic Equation of probability" means.
Well, I'm an engineer, not a lawyer, but Orders of Magnitude is powers of 10. Hundreds is 2 orders of magnitude greater than single digits, so the simplest way to check is to count the number of digits past the decimal place. Quadratic Equations are far too complex for a clumbsy analogy, but basically have the formula of Xa^2+Yb=Z. Byegones, I'll abandon that line of reasoning, because it only detracts from the discussion (Although it was in my opening statement, and seemed to be the phrase you had an argument with.)
But I do know an awful lot about American History in general, and U.S. Constitutional History in particular. I could cite specific passages from the Constitution to demonstrate my assertions (Fun fact: The entirety of Article V of the Constitution, which deals with amending the Constitution, is only one short paragraph). I could link or guide you to the parts of the Constitution that detail the Supreme Court's role in the amendment process and the president's role in the amendment process.[/b]
Please do. I'd much rather educate myself, with the help of someone who knows more than I in the subjects at hand (Constitutional law, and the History of Amending the Bill of Rights) than agree to both remain ignorant, because we lack the patience to discuss them like civilized adults.
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Hello, Kristen's Board Police?
I'd like to report a murder.
You saw this one coming, and once again, you had nothing to contribute.
You had a chance to #resist, and yet again, failed to.
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Hundreds is an order of magnitude greater than single digits
*cough*
"Hundreds" are two orders of magnitude greater than single digits...
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@ MissB, in common use, "orders of magnitude" = "loads more", "several orders of magnitude" = "loads and loads more".
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"Hundreds" are two orders of magnitude greater than single digits...
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You already got your credit for today. And I still owe Athos one for tomorrow!
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Hello, Kristen's Board Police?
I'd like to report a murder.
You saw this one coming, and once again, you had nothing to contribute.
You had a chance to #resist, and yet again, failed to.
If I had told you to stop, you'd had just gotten mad and continued anyway.
I saw where this was going -most people don't come out of debates winning against MissB. A few, but not most.
It would have reduced the effect it's having, and my pleasure coming from it.
Someone once used the phrase, "aggressively stupid," and it reminded me of that siuation.
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If I had told you to stop, you'd had just gotten mad and continued anyway.
Thank God you're here, Hindsight Lad!
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Why? This isn't your trolling thread*. You're perfectly happy to disrupt every other serious discussion of Politics on this board, so why's this one so special? You can't have run out of tired recycled image macros so easily.
I saw where this was going -most people don't come out of debates winning against MissB.
Yeah, well if we get an interesting political discussion out of it, than we both win.
It would have reduced the effect it's having, and my pleasure coming from it.
I'll be sure to let you know the moment your pleasure is my concern.
*I'm waiting for my daily ding, to wipe out the fact that I got 2 credits, in 1 page of your pedotrolling thread. I can even do that better than you, and that's All you can do here.
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An impeachment certainly feels like it would be a lot easier than Constitutional Amendment these days.
Maybe it all feels harder because with the partisan divide it seems like there are fewer things most can agree on, except that Trump really sucks at being President.
The Equal Rights Amendment has sure been stuck for a long time.
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We're not going to get anything done as long as the Senate is still stuck in Regress mode.
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Hello, Kristen's Board Police?
I'd like to report a murder.
You saw this one coming, and once again, you had nothing to contribute.
You had a chance to #resist, and yet again, failed to.
It made me laugh out loud.
And that's the BEST kind of contribution to this board.
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It made me laugh out loud, and that's the BEST kind of contribution to this board.
I wasn't aware that it was a competition.
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I'm a pretty smart girl, but I suck at math, and I always have. Thus, I have little idea what "orders of magnitude" means, and I have absolutely no idea what "Quadratic Equation of probability" means.
So, you have me there! Revel in it! Bask in it! Raise your eyebrows in supercilious disdain at my ignorance!
But I do know an awful lot about American History in general, and U.S. Constitutional History in particular. You know, "What Happened."
And that's the source of my argument. I could cite specific passages from the Constitution to demonstrate my assertions (Fun fact: The entirety of Article V of the Constitution, which deals with amending the Constitution, is only one short paragraph).
I could link or guide you to the parts of the Constitution that detail the Supreme Court's role in the amendment process and the president's role in the amendment process.
Oh wait, I can't! And that's because the Constitution is perfectly silent on the roles of the Supreme Court and the president in the amendment process. And that's because the Supreme Court and the president play absolutely no role in the amendment process.
Contrary to your assertion above, this isn't complex at all. Those are very simple and very understandable facts.
Believe me, I get it: A two-step process is simpler than a three-step process. Despite my general mathematical illiteracy, I really do understand that.
But that's aggressively irrelevant to the present discussion.
You can keep responding, and keep embarrassing yourself by repeating aggressively inaccurate statements. But in addition to being a smart girl, I'm also a kind girl. And I feel compelled to try to stop you from making yourself look even more ignorant, and more foolish.
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When times are troubled, when disasters happen, when it feels like we are facing an unfolding national crisis, it is natural to hope that our leaders, our power structure, our elected officials will come to our rescue. We need to stop hoping. They will not save us, because they don’t care.
We often hear about how divided America is politically. This is not quite true. Our political system is broken, because it is captured by money. Moneyed interests need certain things from the government; they use their influence to alter our electoral system to serve their needs; over time, our broken electoral system, which does not represent the will of the public by design, and our government, which is accurately classified as an oligarchy, cause cascading side effects that poison—with good reason—the public discourse and the political mood and lead us to the position that we are in now. This is all fairly well understood among the people who care to wield or influence political power.
But we are still human. Still, still, after everything, we hope. We hope that this time, this crisis, this outrage, this transgression will be the one that breaks out from the smooth functioning of our failed political system and will cause those leaders to rise to the occasion. This time, they will stand up for what’s right; this time, they will make the hard choice; this time, they will certainly take action. After all, we elected them, didn’t we? And they seemed so nice at the time. How come no one can ever seem to fix the horrible things that keep happening?
Because they don’t care. They don’t care. The Republican party does not care. It may be true in a trivial sense that the humans who are Republican Congressmen and Senators and Presidents are saddened when innocent people get massacred in mass shootings, or when poor people die from lack of health care, or when rising seas swallow coastal towns. But it is true in a much more meaningful way that they do not care, because they exist not to care. Their function is not to care. The Republican party exists not to care. The Republican party exists to protect and uphold the interests of a very narrow class of people and institutions, and the interests in question involve, among other things, an absolutist lack of gun control laws, a privatized health care system that enriches corporations and investors in certain industries, and the stringent denial of climate change in order to maximize profits in other industries for as long as humanly possible. These are few of the inherent purposes of the Republican party. This is what the Republican party is there to do. The vast political and media infrastructure that has been built and funded at great expense by generations of wealthy donors and corporate interests exists to see to it that certain things are accomplished. The various people that sit in the chairs at any given time are interchangeable. The mundane inner human feelings of Republican senators mean nothing at all. The price that they pay to sit in those chairs is an agreement do what the system demands. What matters is the system. The system is a machine. The machine exists to accumulate and exercise power. That power is exercised to serve the interests of those that paid to build the machine. You and I and the vast majority of the American public did not build the machine. It doesn’t work for us. Appealing to it for help is a waste of time. It reveals, more than anything, our collective failure to grasp how things are actually done in America. Appealing to the Republican party’s conscience is like standing in front of a wildfire, asking it to stop burning. It will never stop burning, as long as there is something to burn. That’s what it does.
Most Americans want stricter gun control. Why can’t we get it? Why do they block all these common-sense bills that seem so reasonable? Why does the nice man who represents my district seem so obstinate on this issue? Doesn’t he watch the news? Doesn’t he see the dead people? Doesn’t he have a heart?
His heart is not a relevant part of his job. His job is to ensure that the system functions properly for those that own it. He can always think of an excuse, and those interests that built the system to work for them are removed enough to have plausible deniability. It all works. Everyone can feel safe and look respectable and go to church and be upstanding members of the community no matter what devastation is wrought downstream from the decision they make. Those who actually suffer the consequences are, by definition, not part of the system. Being insulated from the consequences is an important part of the deal. You have money, and power, and you build a political system to preserve and grow your money and power, and to serve your interests, and as part of that you build an entire parallel media and religious and moral system to absolve you of your sins. You can be a respected business leader who has a proud family tradition of hunting, and downstream of your political actions are hundreds of dead bodies of innocent people massacred in mass shootings as a result of your work to neuter the gun control movement, and not only will you never suffer the direct consequences of the bullets, but you will never even suffer the indirect consequences of a loss of public esteem due to the fact that you have enabled horrific things in the world. The discussion will be stifled, by design, before it grows uncomfortable for you. You will not be blamed. This is part of the system. This is part of the package. This is part of what you buy. You can get a plaque from the Chamber of Commerce, and somewhere far, far away, the dead people will be disposed of quietly, and you will never be forced to reckon with the connecting of any dots.
Stop hoping for Republicans to do the right thing. Stop hoping for them to wake up. Stop hoping for them to have a crisis of conscience. Stop hoping for them to finally draw the line. None of this will happen. They don’t care. They exist not to care. If they cared, they would not be who they are and where they are in the first place. The sooner we accept this, the sooner we can move on to the actual business of changing things. It is time to stop looking at America in a childish way. You cannot appeal to these people. You cannot simply replace these people. You have to break the system that they serve. That is the obstacle in our path. You can bang your head on the wall all you want. The wall will never feel sorry for you. You have to tear it down.
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The world thinks America’s gun laws are crazy — and they’re right (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/05/world-thinks-americas-gun-laws-are-crazy-theyre-right/)
Nothing perplexes the rest of the world so much as our stubbornly lax gun laws and our refusal to address the gun deaths epidemic. It seems that nothing — no matter how horrific — will lead to tighter restrictions on guns. Twenty first-graders gunned down at school in Connecticut? A lone gunman killing 58 people and wounding 869 in 10 minutes at a concert in Las Vegas? Seventeen students and staff murdered during classes in Florida?
And now, after two mass shootings Saturday that killed 31 people, the response is the same as before: thoughts and prayers. A day or two in an all-too-familiar news cycle. And at the end, nothing changes.
By contrast, when a gunman shot and killed 17 people at the Dunblane Primary School in Scotland in 1996, the British public demanded action. The government swiftly introduced sweeping gun control legislation. There has only been one mass shooting since.
In Britain, there are now about 0.06 violent gun deaths per 100,000 residents. By contrast, there are roughly 4.43 violent gun deaths per 100,000 residents in the United States. In other words, even after accounting for population differences, the gun homicide rate in the United States is around 73 times higher than the same figure for Britain. And partly because guns are much more effective weapons to kill, the overall intentional homicide rate in the United States is about 4.5 times higher than Britain’s homicide rate.
Republicans on Fox News over the weekend trotted out the same tired excuses: video games are to blame, they said. President Trump claimed it was all about mental health. Both explanations are absurd. After adjusting for population, video game revenues between the United States and Britain are roughly equal. And even though video game revenues are substantially higher per capita in Japan than in the United States, there are roughly 111 Americans killed in gun homicides for every Japanese homicide victim even after adjusting for population. Mental health and substance abuse disorders are slightly higher in the United States than in Britain and Japan, but not dramatically so, and certainly not 73 or 111 times higher.
There is, however, one variable that is dramatically different between the United States and these countries. There are an estimated 393 million civilian-owned guns in the United States. That translates to 1.2 guns for every man, woman, child and baby in America. It’s the highest rate of gun ownership in the world — and it’s not even close. Yemen, in second place, has about 1 gun for every 2 people. In Britain, there is roughly 1 gun for every 20 people and in Japan, it’s 1 gun for every 334 people.
The United States, home to around 4 percent of the world’s population, accounts for nearly half the civilian-owned guns in the world.
But it isn’t just the number of guns; it’s also what kind of guns and ammunition are legal and how you buy them. The shooter in Dayton, Ohio, who killed nine people in less than a minute, legally ordered his AR-15-style assault rifle online. He also bought a “double drum” magazine, allowing him to fire 100 rounds in the span of a matter of seconds without reloading. In most other developed countries, such semiautomatic assault-style weapons and ammunition magazines are banned. There are also several more hurdles to clear before buying a gun in every other developed country compared to the United States.
And yet, despite the relentless body counts piling up in movie theaters, food festivals, Walmarts, schools, synagogues, churches, offices, hospitals, bars and nightclubs, the Republican-controlled Senate refuses to even vote on a common-sense measure: requiring universal background checks before all gun purchases, without any loopholes. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is blocking a vote on that bill, even though 92 percent of Americans support that reform, including 89 percent of Republicans.
Will that measure prevent every gun death in the United States? Clearly not. But that reform, along with others — such as reintroducing the ban on assault-style weapons, banning large-capacity magazines such as the one used in Dayton, and requiring gun safety training — would go a long way in reducing deaths. We should also consider requiring licenses from those who wish to own a firearm as well as some form of reference system (such as the character references required in Canada or some form of mental health evaluation as is used in Germany, Austria, India, Brazil, Israel and Japan). A recent international study that examined the entire body of research on gun legislation found convincing evidence that gun safety legislation reduces gun-related deaths.
America has a gun deaths epidemic. If you add up all the U.S. soldiers who have died in every war in our nation’s history — from the Revolutionary War to the Civil War to World War II and the recent wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — that number is still lower than the number of civilians who have died in gun-related incidents in the United States in the past 50 years.
Every other rich country on the planet has figured out how to reduce gun violence. It’s time we learned from them.
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The solution is not blocking the 99.8% of legal firearm owners from exercising their Constitutional Rights to keep and bear arms, or to restrict sale of well over half the firearms now in use, which are semi-automatic in nature.
Obviously, white males of school age, including College age at least, require additional resources they are not receiving today, including Mental Health care for each white boy/teen/man who seeks it, and better education so they may be able to match their peers in responsible living.
Baltimore MD has been defended here and largely in the press recently about the quality of its residents, and students, and so I propose that we begin with a minimum State Benefit annually for each white male equal to what Baltimore now spends on the education of the average public school student, who we are to emulate nationwide for their outstanding ability. We know none of these kids are expected to be shooting up Stores, Malls, and Schools, and therefore they have found the solution.
Rural Schools could benefit by having an equal budget, per student, as does Baltimore, in addition to the subsidy suggested for white males nationwide, and I am certain the school systems would put the money to good use, achieving a equal result as Baltimore after just a decade or so. Parents of white males are in need of such assistance, so as to bring their children up with morals, and keep such inferior white male behavior from being further spread.
A tax credit would be the simple way, with no means testing of course, from the time a white male enters the school system, until that child is 26 years old, same as Obamacare as to top age. I expect we spend at least as much today in policing and follow up for school security, so this should not be a burden.
States will benefit from the infusion of school funding from their taxpayers, who will benefit by having a young white male population achieving at the same level as Baltimore Maryland students, who have no issues with school shootings, Mall shootings, Church shootings, and 1am out side the bar... well, maybe not the last one, as such shootings are not so uncommon there.
White Males are known to have mental issues which can cause such violent actions, and it is only the beginning of our responsibility to meet the challenge.
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White Males are known to have mental issues which can cause such violent actions, and it is only the beginning of our responsibility to meet the challenge.
Even though I've posted it's dirty pool to blame mental healthcare on racism I'll ask.
Since people like you -Trumpers- do not want to pay for healthcare, how do you propose to fund this?
I'll hang up because you're too cowardly to answer.
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Baltimore MD has been defended here and largely in the press recently about the quality of its residents, and students, and so I propose that we begin with a minimum State Benefit annually for each white male equal to what Baltimore now spends on the education of the average public school student, who we are to emulate nationwide for their outstanding ability. We know none of these kids are expected to be shooting up Stores, Malls, and Schools, and therefore they have found the solution.
Dear Shitbag,
Baltimore County schools get more money per student than Broward County schools.
Broward County is where Stoneman Douglas High School is.
https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2019/2019303.pdf
Go Fuck Yourself.
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State and Local Taxes, of course, is the way to fund all 'education'.
Same for Mental Health related investment, to save our children and save our shoppers in the future from crazed white males.
Everyone will support such spending, as it goes directly to the issues we are told, and who needs the support, the households who interface with all these problem students, and the savings will be less cost for security locally, as the time goes by, and the effects of matching Baltimore's spending per child are felt fully.
No one but white males shoots up the community, so that is where the need is, and we have testimony about how wonderful Baltimore is... what more is there to do but to match how Baltimore copes, dollar for dollar, for this problem population nationwide. Who could be against such a direct solution, who agrees that Baltimore is worthy of emulation, as we all know from recent Press coverage and from recent comments here as well.
Thank you for your interest.
White Males are known to have mental issues which can cause such violent actions, and it is only the beginning of our responsibility to meet the challenge.
Even though I've posted it's dirty pool to blame mental healthcare on racism I'll ask.
Since people like you -Trumpers- do not want to pay for healthcare, how do you propose to fund this?
I'll hang up because you're too cowardly to answer.
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State and Local Taxes, of course, is the way to fund all 'education'.
Same for Mental Health related investment, to save our children and save our shoppers in the future from crazed white males.
Everyone will support such spending, as it goes directly to the issues we are told, and who needs the support, the households who interface with all these problem students, and the savings will be less cost for security locally, as the time goes by, and the effects of matching Baltimore's spending per child are felt fully.
No one but white males shoots up the community, so that is where the need is, and we have testimony about how wonderful Baltimore is... what more is there to do but to match how Baltimore copes, dollar for dollar, for this problem population nationwide. Who could be against such a direct solution, who agrees that Baltimore is worthy of emulation, as we all know from recent Press coverage and from recent comments here as well.
Thank you for your interest.
I'm glad you completely ignored my second point.
Your ability to debate in bad faith is astounding.
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You had a point? a second point? I am used to ignoring most of what you post, so was just force of habit. I think I supplied a good solution, with the answer to your inquiry in my initial post. SALT, State and Local Taxes, the source of money for Education.
As a classic example, you I am sure, had such spending been done while you matriculated grade by grade, until your 26th birthday, your mental condition and how you present to others would have been better shaped.
Ask your former classmates and neighbors, if you require a direct answer, as to how you turned out, and the agony suffered by those who knew you, or know you today for that matter, and how spending the added money along the way would have been a cheap investment, rather than living near you all that time. I hope you have not attacked shoppers or church goers yet, and would be more assured that is not in your future, had your Town and State, better invested in you along the way.
Alas, now is too late to help. Pleasant dreams. Thank you for asking.
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You had a point? a second point? I am used to ignoring most of what you post, so was just force of habit. I think I supplied a good solution, with the answer to your inquiry in my initial post. SALT, State and Local Taxes, the source of money for Education.
As a classic example, you I am sure, had such spending been done while you matriculated grade by grade, until your 26th birthday, your mental condition and how you present to others would have been better shaped.
Ask your former classmates and neighbors, if you require a direct answer, as to how you turned out, and the agony suffered by those who knew you, or know you today for that matter, and how spending the added money along the way would have been a cheap investment, rather than living near you all that time. I hope you have not attacked shoppers or church goers yet, and would be more assured that is not in your future, had your Town and State, better invested in you along the way.
Alas, now is too late to help. Pleasant dreams. Thank you for asking.
You can't have it both ways. You can't claim school funding is the reason Baltimore is crime infested and will have lots of school shootings, then ignore where other school shootings occur, using funding as a defense.
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P.S. If you are really willing to compare resumes at 26 I'd be more than willing to put mine against yours. You don't have the balls to answer truthfully I would gather. You've been spouting your racism on here at least since that age.
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We Do Not Need To Defend Video Games From Politicians (https://kotaku.com/we-do-not-need-to-defend-video-games-from-politicians-1836980493?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2XTP2_flQBtpVjXtkbxS55yjfC6lNFT6jztkg4ryFko2Qmg9V4hYjJGFI)
We have reached the point in American society where you can reliably predict the series of events that immediately follow a mass shooting. In 2019, you can set a clock to it: After the shock and scramble to understand what happened amid the chaotic perpetual loop of social media and cable news, we begin to learn: about the shooter, about the victims, about the demand for those in government to do something, anything, to make it stop.
Invariably, someone—most likely a lawmaker too compromised by donors and lobbyists to offer any more than hollow “thoughts and prayers,” or a pundit more interested in controversy and ratings than they are incisive commentary—will bring up video games as a dark cultural force enabling these horrible incidents. This time, the President joined their ranks, decrying the “gruesome and grisly video games that are now commonplace” when delivering remarks Monday morning about the back-to-back mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio over the weekend.
No one need waste any energy disproving this claim, from within games or without. There is scholarship and statistics that can be pointed to if someone is interested in learning more. The Supreme Court has also already weighed in. Short of that, expending energy defending the video game medium from disingenuous attacks only serves the interests of those who would prefer to not address the problem of American gun violence.
Video games will continue to be a scapegoat for disingenuous lawmakers and lobbyists for as long as a scapegoat is needed. And as long as gun violence remains a problem in America, a scapegoat will be needed. Every second spent defending video games from blame is a second not spent addressing the root causes of what’s become weekly massacres: a complete lack of sensible gun control, a government utterly disinterested in even entertaining the possibility of said gun control, or combating the racist and misogynist ideologies that fuel the men who massacre the innocent.
Give in to the urge to join the cultural debate about the non-existent role of video games in real-world violence, and you become a pawn, fuel for cable news segments that gun lobbyists and lawmakers would rather pontificate on instead of addressing the issues at hand. Remember that if you enjoy video games and live in America, then you have a horse in this race beyond the fate of your hobby, that the number of cities synonymous with tragedy is growing as the number of public spaces we think of as safe is shrinking. Remember that we are fast approaching the one year anniversary of a similar mass shooting at a Madden tournament. Remember that just one of these incidents, anywhere, is too many.
We often refer to the “gaming community” as a singular body, even if that’s not particularly true—video games and the people who play them are too large and diverse to be characterized in any one way. The issue of gun violence, however, is one that directly concerns everyone, and if there is in fact a community around the video game medium, then that community owes it to those around them to do their part, to add their voices to the many that demand change, that refuse to let hate fester in their darkest corners, that puts incessant, urgent pressure on our leaders and those that hold them accountable to do their damn jobs.
Video games don’t need defending. People do, and they’re dying. If we can stop this from happening—and other nations around the world have shown that we can—it is imperative that we try. Then we can worry about what the world thinks of video games.
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"...You can't have it both ways. You can't claim school funding is the reason Baltimore is crime infested and will have lots of school shootings, then ignore where other school shootings occur, using funding as a defense..."
WTF are you talking about. You obviously did not, or perhaps can not read, in the case of my posting. I never said school funding was a fault, or a reason for the infestation of drugs, rats, and crime in Baltimore... the opposite is what my post declared.
Baltimore's school system seems free of crazed white shooters, and my point is why not duplicate the conditions in Baltimore, specifically the funding that has produced such wonderful results, for all white male students nationwide, and for all school systems in Rural areas, where such crazed white shooters come from.
Not an outrageous demand, to MATCH the spending of a successful city in this regard, Nationwide, narrowing the focus to where it seems the problem lies.
When you lie about what I say, then disagree with the lie you created, you are not yet slick enough to totally pull it off. As stated, likely you would be a great example of what happens to white students without the money available to the great students of Baltimore, none of whom have turned into mass killers, one is asked to believe, based upon Democrat and Media accolades, and your love of the same noted students, or that of KB in general, if you were not capable of expressing such directly.
I expect by age 26 you were long past saving as a moral, and well rounded person, and no doubt, your existence would have benefited from some extra spending, and Mental Health attention from a young age.
No matter, too late now as far as you are concerned. Get ready to spend more for education of those most in need, neglected all these years, white males.
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IM A RACIST LYING SHITBAG FOR ALL THE WORLD TO SEE
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I thought you were ignoring me. At least we know you're lying about that too.
Ok, time to have fun.
You have claimed many times in a racist manner that Baltimore is crime ridden. I can find the posts if you like. Your being a hypocrite is pretty well documented.
In a very disingenuous manner you now claim it's not and there aren't any mass shootings because of school funding.
It's not my fault you can't keep your racist lies and hypocrisy straight across the forum.
Maybe if you weren't such a shitbag dishonest person it would be easier for you.
I'm still waiting for your credentials at 26 past being a shitposter on this board.
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https://www.people-press.org/2015/08/1/continued-bipartisan-support-for-expanded-background-checks-on-gun-sales/8-12-2015-3-59-05-pm/
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What do you think this is, a democracy?
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"Mentally ill" is an over-simplification. The legal distinction is "Extreme Emotional Disturbance." They use the term "Mental Illness" to lump psychotic homicidal maniacs in with autists. If they actually cared about Mental Illness, then they'd learn which mental illness we're talking about. (A psychotic break, AKA a "Nervous Breakdown") which is temporary unless you save the last bullet for yourself.
Drug addiction, which includes alcoholism is a Mental Illness. So is chronic depression. That's like lumping gunshot wounds in with self inflicted hesitation marks, and blaming that for gang violence.
Even the LibDems can agree that money is the cause of corruption in Congress/Parlament. And yet, there's no talk of banning Money. There's also no talk of banning political Parties, even though those are at least as responsible for corruption in politics.
It's guns in the hands of homicidal maniacs. But they split that in half, so one side talks about the guns, the other talks about the "Mentally ill." Meanwhile, the guns keep getting in the hands of homicidal maniacs.
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It's funny, because I do that, including citing, and sometimes Quoting the DSM-V.
The vast majority of spree killers don't live to stand trial. In fact, out of the last roughly 200, we had 2. (One wasn't a shooter, he was an Arsonist) Total, which is 1%. Which is why I just said the FBI better be listening to the one from El Paso right now, and for quite a while, because he's a rare chance to learn more about them.
This tweet doesn't cite 1 single thing from the DSM, any edition of it. "Insanity" isn't a legal term, for the purposes of standing trial, there's "Mental Disease, or Defect" (Basically means handicap, like Down's Syndrome, or Autism, which makes them incapable of understanding the consequences of their actions, or the proceedings against them) There's also "Extreme Emotional Disturbance" which is "Temporary Insanity" in layman terms. That doesn't prevent them from standing trial, it's a ruling from a Judge to suspend their Sentence, after the trial, to put them in a psychiatric facility until which time they can got to Prison without being a threat to themselves, or other.
There are no "Available treatment Options" for Sociopathy. In the next paragraph, Jane says "They know the difference between right, and wrong, but make a *willful choice* to do wrong." In the DSM-IV, what she's talking about there, is Anti-Social Personality Disorder, or a Sociopath. That diagnosis is not enough for an "Insanity" plea, to avoid trial. It's grounds to lock them up as a menace to society, and argue for the Death Penalty, because they like killing, they will do it again given the chance, and they'll try to do it "Better" next time, because Escalation of Violence is one of those diagnostic criteria she didn't mention.
Donald Trump isn't a Sociopath. He's a Power Assertive Malignant Narcissist. He knows right from wrong, but suspends that when he thinks it will benefit him, despite the fact that he's not very good at deciding what actually benefits anyone, including himself, because he can;t admit that he's wrong, and he makes decisions without actually thinking them through, then can;t change his mind without forgetting his previous decisions which can take anywhere from days to months. i can cite historical (From his Presidential record) if you like. however, he's also going senile, so his memory of previous decisions is only going to get less reliable.
The Mental Health Industry has taken no meaningful steps to intervene in presidential politics on the grounds of mental illness. Any mental illness, including ASPD. Ever. If they had, ALL of us would have heard about it, because every late night host, and news network pundit would have driven it into the ground, dug it back up, and driven it into the ground again. Bullshit.
Other than that, Athos_131. Your last post was comprehensive, and informative. I probably owe you a Woo for that, now I'm going to see if 24 hours have elapsed since the last one...
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Caveat: I am not a Lawyer, and I never even studied Law professionally. I am a mental health professional, I have been trained in Profiling by the FBI, and certified as a therapist, though that certification lapsed, I have hardcopys of the DSM-IV, the DSM-IV TR, AND the DSM-V right here, next to me.
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Glad you found someone compatible.
Jane & Athos :emot-heartbeat: :emot-heartbeat: :emot-heartbeat:
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Glad you lied about ignoring my posts to see your argument get shredded to atoms.
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Panic erupts in Times Square when motorcycle backfiring causes false alarm (https://abcnews.go.com/US/panic-erupts-times-square-motorcycle-backfiring-false-alarm/story?id=64819264&cid=social_twitter_abcn)
Thousands of people who were crowded into a packed Times Square fled in panic late Tuesday after a motorcycle backfired and caused fears over a possible active shooter. The response came just days after two mass shootings in Texas and Ohio killed 31 people.
The Crossroads of the World was packed with tourists and revelers at about 10 p.m. on a warm night in New York City, when a few passing motorcycles backfired and people thought they were hearing gunfire.
Video showed thousands of people running north on Broadway as they thought their lives were in danger.
The New York Police Department's Midtown North Precinct later tweeted the explanation about the backfiring.
Times Square is one of the most heavily protected areas in the country. Even on a normal day, a large presence of officers can be seen roaming the area.
"All of a sudden I heard this kind of muffled 'pop' and said, 'What was that?' and I looked over and there was a sea of people running," witness Dylan Probert told New York ABC station WABC.
The NYPD said it received multiple 911 calls about the incident.
Six people were taken to the hospital with minor injuries, according to the FDNY.
Shoppers at Disney's flagship store were herded into the back as a precaution, one shopper shared on Twitter.
A shooting at a Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on Saturday resulted in the deaths of 22 people and injuries to more than two dozen other shoppers. A man was taken into custody in the shooting. He told told police he was targeting Mexicans, law enforcement sources told ABC News.
Just about 14 hours later a man opened fire outside a bar in downtown Dayton, Ohio, killing nine people, including his sister. The suspect shooter was fatally killed by police, who were patrolling the area, in less than a minute.
Both shooters were using semi-automatic rifles.
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In Trump’s Hands, the Second Amendment Is a Threat to Our Civil Liberties (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/08/trump-el-paso-dayton-speech-mental-illness-guns-civil-liberties.html)
When NRA zealots wish to explain why their taste in toys (and/or, self-conception as temporarily embarrassed action heroes) should take precedence over public safety, they will often argue that the freedom to own an AK-47 is the foundation on which all other civil liberties rest: An unarmed citizenry has no rights that the federal government is bound to respect.
Meanwhile, when Donald Trump wished to explain Monday why America’s epidemic of firearm deaths did not require sweeping gun reforms, he argued that solving our national nightmare would merely require censoring video games, condemning suspicious mentally ill people to “involuntary confinement,” and restricting the rights of death-row inmates to appeal their convictions, so as to expedite their extermination by the state.
The president’s remarks Monday earned him some praise from the mainstream media’s most prodigious amnesiacs. Days after a gunman had slaughtered 21 people in an El Paso Walmart to beat back the “Hispanic invasion of Texas,” Trump did unequivocally (if monotonously) condemn white supremacy, and remind his fellow Americans that “each of us can choose to build a culture that celebrates the inherent worth and dignity of every human life” — sentiments that might have been uplifting, had they been followed with the phrase “and that is why I am announcing my resignation from the presidency.” Regardless, however encouraging one might have found the president’s newfound capacity to condemn white nationalist terrorism, his concrete proposals for combating gun violence offered no cause for comfort.
Trump’s one feeble gesture toward gun regulation involved expanding the reach of “red flag” laws that empower law enforcement to confiscate the firearms of those whom they find to be dangerous or mentally ill. To buttress this “precrime” approach to gun control, the president endorsed an expansion of social media surveillance “to detect mass shooters before they strike.”
The White House understood that, by itself, such weak tea would not satisfy the public’s thirst for leadership on the issue of gun violence; unlike some other Republicans, Trump was not content to serve the public a cocktail of thoughts, prayers, and fatalism. “In the two decades since Columbine, our nation has watched with rising horror and dread as one mass shooting has followed another over and over again, decade after decade,” Trump said Monday. “We cannot allow ourselves to feel powerless. We can and will stop this evil contagion.”
Gun violence has always presented a challenge to the GOP’s proto-authoritarian champions of “law-and-order”: How can one reconcile a militant intolerance for crime with an anarcho-capitalist’s attitude toward the regulation of deadly weapons?
Trump’s answer to that puzzle Monday was a common one: To accommodate the inalienable right to bear assault rifles, Uncle Sam would have to ruthlessly sacrifice lesser civil liberties at the altar of public safety.
The president demanded unspecified measures to eliminate “gruesome and grizzly video games.” He called for reforming “our mental health laws to better identify mentally disturbed individuals who may commit acts of violence and make sure those people not only get treatment but, when necessary, involuntary confinement.” And he directed the Justice Department to “propose legislation ensuring that those who commit hate crimes and mass murders face the death penalty, and that this capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.”
In other words, Trump proposed restricting freedom of expression, locking up anyone who strikes law enforcement as egregiously mentally ill for pre-crimes, and curtailing the due process rights Americans can assert before their government executes them.
As remedies for America’s gun violence problem, these proposals are laughable. If gruesome video games were a leading cause of gun violence in general — or mass shootings in particular — Japan would presumably be littered with blood and bullet casings. Instead, while America’s annual gun deaths are measured by the tens of thousands, Japan’s can typically be counted on two hands. Meanwhile, the overwhelming consensus among crimonologists holds that the death penalty does not work as a criminal deterrent. And Trump’s implicit suggestion that mass shootings would be less common — if only their perpetrators knew that spraying bullets in a public place might actually cost them their lives — is so absurd, one despairs at satire’s prospects for surviving this presidency.
There are sound arguments for restricting the mentally ill’s access to firearms (owning a gun dramatically increases a suicidal person’s likelihood of successfully ending her own life), but there is none for believing that stigmatizing and surveilling the mentally ill will keep other Americans safe from the threat of gun homicide. As the Washington Post observed Monday:
In a 2018 report of active shooters, the Federal Bureau of Investigation found that 25 percent of active shooters had been diagnosed with a mental illness. And of those diagnosed, only three shooters had been diagnosed with a psychotic disorder. In a 2015 study that examined 235 people who committed or tried to commit mass killings, only 22 percent could be considered mentally ill.
But the biggest problem with Trump’s proposals isn’t their inefficacy — a charge that can be fairly leveled at many liberal gun reforms. Rather, the problem is that Trump’s ideas subordinate civil liberties to the cause of security theater. In so doing, they demonstrate that the Second Amendment (as interpreted by the American right) does not safeguard our other freedoms, so much as it undermines them.
Perhaps, a nation completely devoid of mental illness, social isolation, the internet, video games, disaffected young men, and white supremacy could have both mass individual gun ownership and low levels of gun violence. But we do not live in such a nation. So long as America is home to more firearms than people, we are going to suffer a lot of gun violence. And so long as we suffer such violence, the government will periodically feel compelled to mount a policy response.
When efforts to seriously curtail the availability of guns are off the table, the will for reform gets channelled in more perverse directions. We fill our schools with police officers, and force our children to prepare themselves for the omnipresent threat of getting slaughtered by their classmates. These “school resource officers” and “active-shooter drills” don’t seem to make anyone any safer. After the atrocity at Columbine High School in 1999, America tested the hypothesis that a massive increase in school policing would lead to lower rates of violence on campus — in 1997, 10 percent of public schools employed at least one police officer; by 2014, 30 percent did. The results of this experiment have been worse than disappointing. The best available research suggests that putting police officers in schools does not significantly deter crime, but does increase the number of students who end up incarcerated for minor youthful indiscretions (and/or, who get electrocuted with stun guns in their classrooms for the same). Nevertheless, last year’s shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida triggered a new wave of calls for filling America’s schools with armed agents of the state.
Trump’s remarks suggest that the will to “do something” about gun violence — that doesn’t involve taking away people’s guns — may lead to even more authoritarian and counter-productive measures than those we’ve already witnessed.
Let Mike Pence decide what we can put into our Playstations, and police departments dictate who’s sane enough to walk the streets. Place a metal detector at the door of every classroom, and an annual reenactment of Sandy Hook on every elementary school’s calendar. Stop and frisk every nonwhite teenager, have principals report every morose adolescent to the authorities. Inject convicts with deadly chemicals before they’ve had chance to appeal. Send thoughts and prayers when none of it stops more bodies from falling. Just leave us our stockpiles of Kalashnikovs and we will call ourselves free.
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I see, one "Liberal" cartoonist made a technical error, in a cartoon, and therefore none of us know enough about guns to regulate them.
Because everyone knows that only Conservatives ever served in the military, let's listen to Private Bonespur instead!
"Take the guns, then go to court." ~D. Trump.
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NRA AGAIN LEAVES OUT MILLIONS IN POLITICAL SPENDING FROM TAX FORMS (https://www.citizensforethics.org/press-release/nra-again-leaves-out-millions-in-political-spending-from-tax-forms/)
After failing to disclose $33.5 million in political activity from 2008 to 2013, the NRA failed to disclose another $25 million in political spending to the IRS in 2014, according to a supplemented complaint filed by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) today. Despite calling the missing $33.5 million a “clerical error,” it appears that the NRA has still not corrected its previous inaccurate tax forms.
In reports signed under penalty of perjury, the NRA reported to the FEC that it spent $12.6 million in political expenditures in 2014. In its annual audited financial statement, the NRA disclosed it paid an additional $18.5 million of its PAC’s expenses, for a total of $31.1 million in political spending. But, again under the penalty of perjury, the NRA told the IRS that it only spent $5.79 million on political activity in 2014.
“The NRA acknowledged presenting incorrect information to the IRS after our complaint and press reports last year, and yet the group apparently continued to fail to disclose its political spending to the IRS with its most recent filing,” CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said. “This calls for a thorough IRS investigation.”
Additionally, the NRA told the IRS over multiple years that it did not spend any money on outside lobbyists despite disclosing to Congress that it in fact spent millions on outside lobbyists. It also claimed that it received no membership dues, which would be strange for a membership organization, especially one that takes in more than $100 million in membership dues every year. These claims appear to have allowed the NRA to avoid filing a form disclosing information on their lobbying and political spending.
“The NRA has a real problem with letting the IRS know about its political activity,” Bookbinder said. “Unless the IRS takes action, there’s no reason to believe this problem will end.”
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And here, I thought it was Space Invaders.
implying that it's not the games, but the violent Xenophobia.
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"Mein Kraft!" :emot_laughing: I heard it was StarKraft Nein!
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It's funny, comparing Hitler to Epstien, because ironically he's Jewish.
However, they both committed suicide, in captivity, to avoid being tried for crimes against humanity.
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Memo reveals a House Republican strategy on shootings: downplay white nationalism, blame left (https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2019/08/16/memo-reveals-a-house-republican-strategy-on-shootings-downplay-white-nationalism-blame-left/)
Congressional Republicans recently circulated talking points on gun violence that falsely described the El Paso massacre and other mass shootings as “violence from the left.”
A document obtained by the Tampa Bay Times and sent by House Republicans provides a framework for how to respond to anticipated questions like, “Why won’t you pass legislation to close the ‘gun show loophole’ in federal law?” and “Why shouldn’t we ban high-capacity magazines?" The answers are boilerplate Republican arguments against tougher gun restrictions.
But it also included this question: “Do you believe white nationalism is driving more mass shootings recently?” The suggested response is to steer the conversation away from white nationalism to an argument that implies both sides are to blame.
“White nationalism and racism are pure evil and cannot be tolerated in any form," the document said. “We also can’t excuse violence from the left such as the El Paso shooter, the recent Colorado shooters, the Congressional baseball shooter, Congresswoman Giffords’ shooter and Antifa."
U.S. Rep. Gus Bilirakis, R-Palm Harbor, included the talking points in a newsletter that he emailed this week to his Florida constituents. His spokeswoman Summer Robertson said they were “provided by the House Republican Conference," the caucus arm in charge of devising messaging strategy for its members. The conference’s internal strategies are not usually made public.
Robertson said that the inclusion of El Paso was a mistake. It was supposed to say Dayton, the site of a second mass shooting 13 hours later where nine people died.
The El Paso shooter is alleged to have intentionally targeted Mexicans when he killed 22 people at a Walmart on the Texas-Mexico border on Aug. 3. In a manifesto published just before the attack he expressed white nationalist and anti-immigrant beliefs, using language that echoed President Donald Trump’s characterizations of illegal immigration.
The Dayton Daily News reported that the shooter in Ohio had attended a protest of a Ku Klux Klan rally and other outlets have reported his political leanings aligned with Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, a Democratic Socialist. The motivations of the Dayton shooters killing spree, though, are less clear. He reportedly was obsessed with violence and once made a list of girls he wanted to kill. In the rampage, he fatally wounded his sibling.
The GOP conference talking points ascribed other shootings as leftist violence despite ambiguous, if not contradictory, evidence. The shooter that wounded U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords, a Democrat, was paranoid about government and obsessed with the Arizona Congresswoman, a law enforcement investigation found. His political persuasions were mixed and did not appear to be a factor. Nor does it seem that the May shooters at a Colorado high school — both teenagers and bullied students — were motivated by politics.
Republicans have faced mounting pressure from Democrats, victims of gun violence and cities shaken by these tragedies who are demanding Congress take action. The GOP’s response to elevate incidents of “violence on the left" clashes with a well-documented rise in hate crimes and white nationalism on the far-right.
Extremist-related murders have spiked in the last year, according to the Anti-Defamation League, and the vast majority — 73 percent — are committed by right-wing extremists and white supremacists. Not a single extremist-related murder in the United States last year was carried out by “the left."
FBI Director Christopher Wray recently told Congress “a majority of the domestic terrorism cases we’ve investigated are motivated by some version of what you might call white supremacist violence."
The office of Rep. Liz Cheney, the Wyoming lawmaker who chairs the Republican conference, did not respond to a request for comment.
“We have sadly seen violence from ideological extremists on both sides and that is completely unacceptable and must be condemned,” Robertson said. “Congressman Bilirakis has always been clear that he denounces bigotry and hate speech, regardless of its source, including from white nationalists.”
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$48M Michigan high school has places to hide in case of mass shooting (https://www.wthr.com/article/48m-michigan-high-school-has-places-hide-case-mass-shooting)
Construction workers at the Fruitport School District in Michigan are working to finish portions of a major project that will be used by its staff and students.
The new Fruitport High School, which costs $48 million, will include renovations to the existing building and major new sections, KCEN-TV reported.
The design of the new sections includes safe spaces that can be used to protect students in the event of a shooting and long curved hallways that would offer protection too.
Cement block bump outs are also placed in the curved hallways, KCEN-TV reported.
"To cut down on sight lines further, it also gives an opportunity for students to hide back behind and hopefully get help from within the classroom," Fruitport Superintendent Bob Szymoniak.
Szymoniak said that adding these layers of safety will give staff and students time while police respond.
"This building will be the safest, most secure building in the state of Michigan when it opens," he told KCEN-TV. "Our ask is that our community be very understanding, keep the eyes on the prize because when our high school is done it's going be magnificent."
The full project is expected to be completed by 2021.
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I hope it includes underground spaces that can double as bomb shelters.
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And yet another mass shooting. A student shot 5 classmates at Santa Clarita High in California. Two are dead and the shooter, who shot himself, is in critical condition.
WTF people?
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And yet another mass shooting. A student shot 5 classmates at Santa Clarita High in California. Two are dead and the shooter, who shot himself, is in critical condition.
WTF people?
The sign of the times, Lois. Until politicians stop accepting money from the NRA and other such groups and at least stem the proliferation of all types of weapons, unfortunately these type of shootings will continue. How does a teenager, who just celebrated his 16th birthday, get access to a .45? His parents?
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What I don't get is the concept that Gun Rights need protecting.
That gun Owners need lobbies to protect them.
I thought they had guns for that.
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What I don't get is the concept that Gun Rights need protecting.
That gun Owners need lobbies to protect them.
I thought they had guns for that.
Think about that scenario for a minute.
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Mass shootings seem to have stopped for a bit. I hope I'm not jinxing it with this post.
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8 people were injured in a mass shooting at a shopping mall in Wisconsin. Thankfully, no one was killed.