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Children are wired to accept what adults want, even if they don't want to. Adults make kids do things against their will all the time (go to bed, clean your room, finish your dinner) so the child may not understand they can say "no"
The short answer is that neither is intrinsically any more harmful than say a Spatula. Yes, you can spank a child with a spatula, but that doesn't mean that spatulas should be banned, nor that children would never be spanked, if we didn't have spatulae.
Have you ever seen the movie "Stripes," most notably, the "Aunt Jemima Treatment" scene?
Such discussions are better left to professionals that have experience.
I hesitate to claim krool1969 is a pedo and trying to justify his thinking. He may be someone like yourself, Psi, and espousing on the whys and thoughts of the subject. Jules is being kind to allow him to modify or delete his posts because talking about sex and children are verboten here. He may not have understood that. Such discussions are better left to professionals that have experience.
He may be someone like yourself, Psi, and espousing on the whys and thoughts of the subject.
And even giving krool1969 the benefit of the doubt, it's the location on the board where this was posted, and not solely the content, that renders these posts inappropriate.
Such discussions are better left to professionals that have experience.
Again, the only Experience I have is with treating pedophiles, and adults dealing with childhood trauma. Nudity doesn't traumatize children, sexualizing them does. It doesn't hurt to discuss these things as Amateurs, as long as we can differentiate between Fantasy and Reality.
In reality, children are not sexual. Not without extreme emotional disturbance, even if they're clinically molested as infants to "Prove" that they have sexuality.
One way that "Modesty" can sexually harm adults is through inexperience, but indirectly, and in combination with other teachings that come from the same place: Abstinence Only Education basically tells people to wait until they're married, virginity is this barrier between being an innocent, and a woman, that it Has to be broken like a freshness seal, and it always hurts the first time.
All together, I can't guestimate how many adult women were traumatized on their wedding nights, because they saved themselves, and their husbands knew nothing about what they're doing besides they have to break the hymen to make the marriage official.
Yeah, this definitely needs to be moved to Sex Talk if nothing else, but he's new.
With my advocate's cap firmly on my head, please, please, please stop perpetuating false, and potentially dangerous, information about "breaking the hymen."
I'm sure you know this, and the "confusion" is likely a result of inexact phrasing on your part or denseness on my part, but, for the record, a "virgin" on her wedding night might not have an intact hymen even is she has never had penetrative sex with a man before. And, correspondingly, a "virgin" on her wedding night who has never had penetrative sex with a man before might engage in penetrative sex with her new husband, and still retain an intact hymen.
I suspect that in the majority of instances, she has a fairly good idea of what is going to happen. And even a sexually experienced woman on her wedding night might be nervous, and for a wide variety of reasons. Come to think of it, I'd suspect most people are at least a little nervous in their first experience with a new partner.
A woman's hymen is both one of the most misunderstood body parts, and one of the most aggressively overrated body parts. Today, except in extreme circumstances, its vestigial to the point of meaninglessness. Granted, I'm aware that discussions about a woman's hymen tend to loom largely in both the writing of erotic fiction and in the masturbatory desires fueled by that fiction. Of course, many things happen in fiction that do not happen in real life. That's kinda the point. But the tendency to spread disinformation is something that should at least be considered.
Apologies for the minor (pun intended) hijack. As I mentioned, sometimes I have a hard time taking off my advocate's cap.
Oh, I just thought of a prime example of "Modesty" being potentially harmful:
Public nursing. A mother can be politely asked to take her child out of the dining room of a retaurant, and feed the infant in the restrooms, in the interest of Public Decency.
Am I the only one that sees a problem with that? Where's she supposed to sit? Certainly not out in public, where there's people eating!
If it is done discretely, why not?
If it is done discretely, why not?
Because 1 place is intended for people to eat, and the other one is for getting rid of waste. (For instance changing diapers.) I just have to point out the insane irony of forcing a mother to feed her child in such an unsanitary place, because the other customers might get a glimpse of a nipple.
Or the insane irony of not allowing a baby to eat...in a restaurant.
Because some stuck up prudes can't think of anything non-sexual to do with a fucking nipple.
Because some stuck up prudes can't think of anything non-sexual to do with a fucking nipple.And some unstuck perverts... :emot_thdrool: :emot_thdrool: :emot_thdrool:
To answer the original question: not always.
My parents weren't open about it. Mom was an RN, but didn't play Doctor at home. Nudity was never allowed at home after we were babies.
After I left home, I turned into an occasional nudist. The closest nude hotsprings was a 90 minute drive north of Phoenix, and I took regular sabbaticals there. I'm skinny, and nothing whatsoever like a Greek god, but that didn't matter there. It was very refreshing to find people that weren't afraid of their skin.
I'd have been more than willing to pass on the rotund German tourists, though. :o
My sole experience at a nude beach -- and I kept my bottom on except when I was in the water -- was similar. It was in Hawaii on a weekday late morning.
And now it's my mind enjoying THAT mental image.
Which image, the "rotund" Polynesian women?
Which image, the "rotund" Polynesian women?
I have to admit that I like the Polynesian look. Not just their figures, but also their faces, and of course the long dark hair. It's a good look, and the dress flatters it too.
(https://i.imgur.com/5KL6tNf.png)