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Title: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: joan1984 on March 29, 2019, 11:16:05 PM
Joe Biden's endless
gaffe-riddled apology tour

Damon Linker
March 29, 2019

I don’t hate Joe Biden. He seems like an amiable guy, a decent man. He’s been around Washington for a long time — first as a senator for 36 years and then as Barack Obama’s vice president for two terms. Along the way, he’s managed to make relatively few enemies. He’s also been through a lot of personal tragedy. That makes it especially easy to think fond thoughts when his name comes up, as it often does these days, in discussions of the early presidential polls, which consistently show Biden as the early Democratic frontrunner and the candidate most likely to send President Trump packing in November 2020.

But let’s get serious: Actual Candidate Joe Biden is going to be a lot less popular than Potential Candidate Joe Biden. To begin with, there’s his record, which couldn’t be further out of step with the party he aims to lead. He’s been steadfastly pro-corporate in his instincts and preferences, as one might expect from a senator representing the state of Delaware, home to the country’s credit card industry. His racial views in the 1970s placed him on the rightward fringe of his party. He was hard on Anita Hill during Clarence Thomas’s confirmation hearings. He campaigns for Republicans. And he has a long history of handsy behavior, and downright sleazy off-color statements, toward women.

Then there’s his long, notorious track record of gaffes and other verbal flubs. Endearing? Maybe. With the Republican president demonstrating flagrant ignorance and incompetence on a daily basis, perhaps an occasional harmless slip-up from the slightly doddering Democrat (Biden is 76 years old) would seem charming — a reminder of a more innocent time, when presidential misstatements were actual mistakes rather than fulminations intended to demonstrate contempt for our public institutions and antipathy for half of the country’s population.

But presidential candidate Biden won’t just face a grilling over his record and have to explain away a sloppy formulation from time to time. These two tendencies are going to combine into an endless gaffe-riddled apology tour for nearly everything Biden has ever done or said.

Don’t believe me? Behold the spectacle of the past two weeks. First, Biden gave a speech in which he appeared to announce (prematurely) that he was running for president, in the process describing himself (absurdly) as the "most progressive" candidate in the field, and immediately walked it back.

Then, desperate to head off concerns about the would-be candidate’s advanced age and less-than-adequately woke record on racial issues, his staff floated the idea of Stacey Abrams, the 45-year-old African-American former Georgia gubernatorial candidate, serving as his running mate and campaigning with the head of the ticket long before he’s clinched the nomination. Abrams has made clear she isn’t interested, in part because she may want to run for president herself. That makes the Biden operation look flat-footed and the candidate himself appear desperate to inoculate himself against the predictable charge that he’s out of step with the moral requirements of contemporary progressivism.

In case there was any doubt that it’s this concern that inspired the Abrams trial balloon, at an event in New York City on Tuesday night, Biden addressed the charge that he didn’t treat Anita Hill with sufficient respect by railing bizarrely against "English jurisprudential culture, a white man's culture," which he insisted has "got to change." He also expressed regret and remorse about how the Thomas hearings unfolded, while also skirting responsibility for it : "I wish I could have done something." Predictably, progressive activists were unmollified by this expression of powerlessness from the man who served as chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee during those hearings.

What awaits us is more of this sloppy, stumbling, bumbling, unintentionally insulting effort to express contrition for Biden’s past failings. It’s going to be ugly, it’s going to be boring, and it’s bound to drag down his currently high poll numbers as soon as he jumps into the race and begins attracting the kind of attention and scrutiny that presidential frontrunners always enjoy and endure.

How do we know all of this? Because Biden’s always been a one-man gaffe machine. (That’s one reason his two previous presidential bids went nowhere.) He’s older now and so even more prone to verbal slips. Combine that with the 500-mile ideological minefield that any white man with Biden’s record would have to traverse in order to placate the woke police and we’re left with a near-certain likelihood of an interminable series of mini-scandals, one after another, prompted by awkward, pesky questions about the candidate’s past and his utter incapacity to parry them with even a modicum of deftness. His campaign is bound to fall prey to a terminal case of foot-in-mouth disease.

Biden will apologize. And then apologize again. And then again. Endlessly. Gracelessly. Until he finally gives up and goes home.

Could I be wrong? Might Biden hit his stride on the campaign trail and find a way to effectively dispense with the barrage of hits that are bounds to come his way from the very-online left? Sure, it’s possible. It’s just not at all likely. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks, and you can’t get a 70-something politician to master a set of skills he never acquired when he was half his age.

Biden is who he is: a man highly unlikely to make it through the gauntlet of the next 14 months in one piece.

https://theweek.com/articles/831852/joe-bidens-endless-gafferiddled-apology-tour
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 29, 2019, 11:22:06 PM
An Awkward Kiss Changed
How I Saw Joe Biden

By Lucy Flores

"...For years I feared my experience would be dismissed. Biden will be Biden. Boys will be boys. I worried about the doubts, the threats, the insults, and the minimization. “It’s not that big of a deal. He touched her, so what?” The immediate passing of judgement and the questioning of motives. “Why now? Why so long after? She just wants attention.” Or: “It’s politically motivated.” I would be lying if I said I didn’t carefully consider all of this before deciding to speak. But hearing Biden’s potential candidacy for president discussed without much talk about his troubling past as it relates to women became too much to keep bottled up any longer..."

https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-awkward-kiss-changed-how-i-saw-joe-biden.html
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on March 30, 2019, 02:03:33 AM

Joe Biden is by far and away the most experienced among the potential democrats candidates for president in 2020. He served in the U.S. Senate for 36 years, and he served as vice president for 8 years.

However:

* Biden has not, as of this writing, announced his candidacy.

* If he ran and won, Biden would be 78 years old at the time of his inauguration. For comparison's sake, Trump, the oldest president at the time of his inauguration, was 70 -- eight years younger than Biden.

Joe Biden would have made an excellent presidential candidate 10-20 years ago. Today, I think -- if he does decide to run -- his advanced age will prove an obstacle to many voters.

Biden's "gaffes," however, make him endearing.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 30, 2019, 07:39:31 PM
What would be the US Media reaction, if Mike Pence, or nearly any other elected official, did this?

Endearing?

https://twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930071642784514048
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 30, 2019, 07:46:30 PM
What would be the US Media reaction, if Mike Pence, or nearly any other elected official, did this?

I don't know, "Grab them by the pussy?"  3 years ago, you remember that audio tape, right?  That wasn't a big deal 3 years ago, when a (Nominal) Republican causally talked about sexually assaulting women, because when you're rich, you can do whatever you want, but now.  Since it's a Democrat not yet running for the same office, all of a sudden it's got your panties in a twist?

In answer to your question, nothing.  Exactly what they did about it when it was Donald Trump we're talking about.  If that makes Joe Biden inelligible to run (Before he's even in the running) than it makes your guilded turd in chief even more illegitimate than his international money laundering, embezzling, tax evasion, campaign finance fraud, and information brokering.

(That's not even getting into the alleged sex stuff.)

Hypocrite.  Pointing out creepy uncle Joe, after ignoring creepy daddy Don for years now.  Still incapable of making an accusation without doing the exact same thing, in the same sentence, I see.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 30, 2019, 08:25:27 PM
  Video actions of Joe Biden, publicly touching, kissing and being boorish with children and women who do not wish such touching, kissing, do not compare to hyperbole, locker room talk, yuking it up in a private chat, years ago between then media colleagues, about how hypothetical acts would be taken in some hypothetical encounter with a 'celebrity'.

  Did the media let the Trump tape, hidden for years by NBC, and released at a key moment toward the election in an attempt to take out a Candidate running against Hillary Clinton, simply drop?

  "Good old Don..." "Endearing..."

  The voters recognized a hit piece when they saw it, and Donald J. Trump won the 2016 Election, and is President Donald J. Trump today.

  Did some Democrats, Independents, and others refuse to vote for Trump in 2016, yes, some perhaps tipped due to his remarks on what was unknown to him to be a live mike at the time.

  Any who care about personal conduct, public personal conduct in Joe Biden's case, would be wise to take pause, and not dismiss his history too quickly.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 30, 2019, 08:45:32 PM
 Video actions of Joe Biden, publicly touching, kissing and being boorish with children and women who do not wish such touching, kissing, do not compare to hyperbole, locker room talk, yuking it up in a private chat, years ago between then media colleagues, about how hypothetical acts would be taken in some hypothetical encounter with a 'celebrity'.

I've been in the Locker Room.  I've heard "Locker Room Talk," and also the confessions of serial sex offenders.  I live with a preferrential pedophile.

What's the difference, besides Democrat, and Republican?  Because one is a Sitting President, and the other an ex-vice President.  (Who's still not running.)  

One is Audio, in his own words, and the other is video of kissing a girl on top of the head?  How can you tell he's "Smelling her hair?"  I watched the video, again.  He kissed the top of her head.  

Your president confessed to doing whatever he wants, up to, and including groping women between the legs, which is Sexual Assault.  If she pressed charges, which she could, it would be Assault on a Minor.  Not sexual Assault, but she didn't.

You're right, simple assault doesn't compare to Sexual Assault.  That's the only difference I see there.  Now, you want to talk about Clinton?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 30, 2019, 08:52:15 PM
If you're not going to wait for him to run for president, at least wait for one of his alleged victims to come forward.  Then, you can accept the allegations, just like you didn't accept the allegations when it was Justice Kavanaugh.

Do you believe in due process, or not?  Because I'm getting mixed signles here.  You're willing to take the word of a confessed underage binge drinker over a Professor before, but now you're willing to Impeach a president that hasn't even started running yet, without a single accusation.

So, which is it?  Innocent until proven guilty, (Even with a legal Confession) or guilty before a single charge is even reported?  Just going by your track record, it sounds like it's only sexual assault if he's a Republican.  

Now, you want to talk about Clinton?  Or would you rather drop the charges?  I'm even willing to entertain the assumption that he doesn't want to run, because he's afraid of women, and little girls coming forward to testify against him.

Why didn't you think of that?  Is it because you're not used to being on the Victim's side when there's sexual allegations?  Because this is the first time I've seen it from you.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on March 30, 2019, 09:16:42 PM
Those who support child rapists really don't have a moral high ground to stand on.

#Resist
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 30, 2019, 09:53:13 PM
Those who support child rapists really don't have a moral high ground to stand on.

#Resist

Agreed.  Especially pointing out an alleged double standard, while supporting the Moral Majority, and Family Values party, but forget to mention the president that talks about the "Fine people" in the American Nazi Party, and the Klan.

If you take a moral stand for Victims, then you do for ALL victims.  Not just against the alleged sexual offenses of the other party.  Check under your rug before you try to dig up dirt from the other side.  That way, you know where you're standing.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 30, 2019, 10:08:11 PM
  So, so, sensitive... Joe Biden can handle himself, I am sure... Nominate him...

Maybe a Biden/Obama ticket, with Michelle Obama.. that could actually work.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on March 30, 2019, 10:22:36 PM
  So, so, sensitive...

You're correct, I am sensitive to victims rights.

If that upsets your hypocritical racist shit posting ass, my day is made.

#Resist
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 30, 2019, 10:24:59 PM
Video breaking board rules removed - IB.

https://uproxx.com/viral/this-little-girl-shut-down-joe-biden-when-he-whispered-in-her-ear-then-tried-to-kiss-her/

"...From the outset, this poor senator’s daughter looks like she’s trapped in a corner with the touchy-feely hands of Joe Biden edging towards her. Where can she go? In one corner, her parents — smiling and nodding approvingly as the vice president nudges further ever so slightly. He wants to steal my youth!

"In the other corner, the perpetrator himself — VP Biden, with his grabby-mitts waving and dangling and threatening to snatch the life essence from her blossoming existence as his gums recede to reveal a set of sharpened fangs dripping with centuries-old saliva. He’s Lo Pan from Big Trouble in Little China. He’s one of the cat people from Sleepwalkers.

"Then, it happens. Biden whispers a few magical phrases into the little girl’s ear, phrases that the VP has used for eons to paralyze his prey rendering them unable to withstand the soul-snatching kiss taught to him by the Great-Wizard-From-The-Hill-That-Never-Was.

"She’s frozen, and Biden has her. It’s all academic at this point. He leans in to press his charred lips against the smooth porcelain skin of this young being, already feeling the rush of youthful exuberance he’s felt countless times before. The little girl stares off into space, hoping the process comes quick and painlessly. Then something happens. She hears a voice. FIGHT!

"She doesn’t know where it came from, but the echo in her head motivates her to move her legs, then her torso, then finally — with the strength returning to her head — she strafes inches to the right and hears the slight smack of Biden’s lips kissing the air next to her forehead. He missed.

"Biden stands upright, defeated. He’s lost this battle. But how? “You’re a good girl,” he snarls.

"The little girl knows the war she waged will be lost among the smattering of conversations and handshakes on the floor. But, the sense of victory is overwhelming. Still, where did that voice come from, the battlecry that engaged her strength to fight back against the Biden beast?

"Across the floor, in the corner, a man in a black trench coat and navy blue hat stands idly; he’s not shaking hands nor is he speaking to anyone. The figure uses his index finger to raise the brim of his hat, revealing his face: President Obama. He simply nods his head towards her and smiles..."

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 30, 2019, 10:26:15 PM
Nominate him...

You don;t have any dirt on the 20+ Democrats that ARE running?  Might want to worry about beating them, instead of the low hanging fruit.  If you can think that high.

What do you have on Beto?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 30, 2019, 10:28:13 PM
https://uproxx.com/viral/this-little-girl-shut-down-joe-biden-when-he-whispered-in-her-ear-then-tried-to-kiss-her/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2906359/Senator-father-13-year-old-girl-says-Joe-Biden-not-creepy-awkward-swearing-photo.html

Next?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on March 31, 2019, 01:47:23 AM
http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=63795.msg513070#msg513070

The OP seems confused.

Although this was the same person who endorsed Joe Arpaio for Senate.

#Resist
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 31, 2019, 01:51:53 AM
Although this was the same person who endorsed Joe Arpaio for Senate.

 :emot_laughing:  No shit?  That's insane!  You have that thread too, so I can read it?  Must have been before my time.

The same guy that didn't understand why his rinky dink County jurisdiction didn't make him Privileged to Medical Documents (Like Birth Records) and so confused about borders, he could be bothered to look up when Hawaii became a State.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 31, 2019, 02:28:42 AM
  I am not making any personal accusations, have no 'dog' in the fight for which Democrat will lose to Donald Trump in 2020.

  Washington, DC will vote for any name, or even a blank, for Democrat, and she or he will get, guaranteed, alive or dead, at least 3 Electoral Votes, no matter any other reality.

  Whether you wither the ranks down to Biden, or Warren, or Francis J. O'Roark or whatever other name he wants on the ballot, or is allowed to be called on TV by that time, or any of the more crackpot leftwing folks, or even Bernie, or even Hillary, matters not to me personally, and you must know that each and every one of them will be fully vetted during the Election cycle, based upon their own history or lack of history.

  Matters not what I or any other Trump supporter thinks or believes about any one of them, not one wit. You will do this to and among yourselves, I am sure.

  Personal attacks may have worked, back when the majority of us were being civil, to deflect and prevent public knowledge about Candidates...and that is no longer the case. You will not deter with personal attacks, any viable 'news' about any one of your supposed 'qualified' Candidates... there will not matter to whom CNN gives the debate questions in advance, and no honor among thieves is presumed, in todays politics, and expected.

  My suggestion is you should be prepared for what will come, and presume all will become known about each and every one of them, prior to selection in your Primary, and certainly before November 2020, when Americans, and those who Democrats connive to get ballot access, go to the Polls.

  Please choose carefully, for the Nation's sake. Thank you, all of you, even those among you who deserve no gratitude or consideration at all.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on March 31, 2019, 02:33:55 AM
 I am not making any personal accusations, have no 'dog' in the fight for which Democrat will lose to Donald Trump in 2020.

Ron Howard Voice:

Quote
The OP had made several posts in regards to which Democratic candidate they endorsed.

#Resist
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 31, 2019, 02:38:08 AM
 I am not making any personal accusations, have no 'dog' in the fight for which Democrat will lose to Donald Trump in 2020.

Then why this fascination with the alleged sexual proclivities of Biden, is it to mask the sexual proclivites of the president?  For someone who doesn't claim to care, you certainly seem to care enough to assassinate the character of PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT EVEN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!

You might want to focus on the people who ARE running, for President, and Senate, in 2020.  Since you're distracted by Hillary, and Biden.  You might want to care about protecting the hegemony that is protecting your sex offender (Allegedly) in chief.  You already lost the House, so without the Senate to protect him, and the power to nominate the Attorney General/Secretary of Presidential coverups, he's going to prison.

Don't you get that?  Never mind, keep focusing on the last Presidential election, ignoring the last Congressional election, and assuming it's going to go exactly the way you predict.

My suggestion is you should be prepared for what will come.

Still incapable of coming up with an argument, without doing the exact same thing, in the same post, I see?  You're getting better, you're not doing it in the same paragraph as you did last time.  I'm proud of you.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 31, 2019, 02:42:40 AM
Quote
The OP had made several posts in regards to which Democratic candidate they endorsed.

Endorsed? Which Democrat Candidate, or would be candidate for 2020 President have I "endorsed", Mr. 'Resist'man? Maybe you confuse civil discussion for endorsement, as civil discussion is foreign to you, entirely.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 31, 2019, 02:44:30 AM
Mr. 'Resist'man? Maybe you confuse civil discussion for endorsement, as civil discussion is foreign to you, entirely.

Namecalling, and "Civil Discussion."  In consecutive sentences this time.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on March 31, 2019, 02:47:00 AM
Maybe you confuse civil discussion for endorsement, as civil discussion is foreign to you, entirely.

When you apologize for threatening to dox me, your support of rapists -both child and otherwise- and your racist post history in a permanent stickied post I will consider being civil toward you.  

You will never do that however.

Until then I see no reason to treat you of all posters with even an inkling of civility.

Go Fuck Yourself.

#Resist
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 31, 2019, 02:47:12 AM
Thank you for reading.

No list of Democrats endorsed for 2020 President?

Hmmm...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on March 31, 2019, 02:52:21 AM
No list of Democrats endorsed for 2020 President?

No, you just endorsed Donald Trump, for your side.  We're talking about the Democratic Side.  Nobody said you endorsed a Democrat.  Congratulations on your first post where you didn't 1:  Attack someone's character, and 2:  Do the exact same thing as you attacked them for.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on March 31, 2019, 04:16:24 AM
I don't care what it "looks like".  The real question is if he really offended anyone involved and did they talk to him about it?

My partner was recently trashed on social media by a person who witnessed something he did not understand.

So I'm not big on "third party" observations.  I want to hear from Joe Biden and whomover he supposedly had offensive contact with.

And yeah, for anyone who thinks Trump is wonderful to complain about Biden is the hight of hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on April 01, 2019, 01:16:58 AM
So what is this really all about? Trump is terrified of Biden, because he doesn't think he could beat him in a fair election.

(https://scontent.fphx1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/55783807_3130351783657149_8523341613701791744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent.fphx1-1.fna&oh=10ca960640b3a3b5270300fde3d1e8b8&oe=5D12022F)

Regardless, I think we need someone younger, who can handle the rigors of the hardest job on earth. Plus, as Psi has said, Biden's been known to support corporate interests, especially credit card companies.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 01, 2019, 09:27:52 PM
Lucy Florez just the first direct accuser. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/31/us/politics/lucy-flores-biden-accuser.html)

It doesn't count if the Victims don't come forward.  So yeah, now we know why he's not running.

For the record, he's on par with Uncle Bill, and Uncle Donny.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on April 01, 2019, 09:58:33 PM
I'm not saying it doesnt count, but I am suspicious of 3rd parties weighing in when they werent involved.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 01, 2019, 10:12:23 PM
I'm not saying it doesnt count, but I am suspicious of 3rd parties weighing in when they werent involved.

Right, which is why I waited for a DIRECT accusation.  That would be the second party:  The victim.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 01, 2019, 10:12:33 PM
  There are many incidents in Uncle Joe's recent and distant past, similar to this time, and the difference is this time the mainstream media has picked up on the story, which means, this time his antics don't fit the agenda...

 Would expect some hands in this pie, likely handlers for Kamela who are helping this story get legs... maybe an attempt to preempt early, while he is more vulnerable, a Joe Biden Campaign for 2020.

  Conservative media has been speaking of this behavior, and other Uncle Joe behavior for years, as you can imagine... largely ignored by MSM, and Dems, and I am being redundant again...

  Last time Dems/Media paid attention to a elected Democrat at National level was with Al Franken, and he seemed a sacrificial step, to clear aggressive talking points to go after Judge Roy Moore... successfully... well planned.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 01, 2019, 10:15:56 PM
Would expect some hands in this pie, likely handlers for Kamela who are helping this story get legs...

Why?  First of all, I assume you mean Kamala Harris (And not "Kamela") and secondly, this is the important part, so pay attention:

He

Is

NOT

Running

For

President.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 01, 2019, 10:33:08 PM
  That is the point. He is not (yet) announced, although he nearly did just a few weeks ago, prior to his multiple racial and whatever 'apology tour', and this just may keep him frozen in place... to who's advantage for a Dem Primary, one asks?

  Kamala... seems an obvious choice, unless one thinks a open socialist will be the Nominee, being Bernie and any number of other possibilities. Limited to top 20 fundraising wannabe's for the Democrat Primary Debate stage, from what I am reading recently.

  We shall see...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 01, 2019, 10:35:46 PM
 We shall see...

Oh, so now you're willing to wait, and see?  This is your second pre-emptive dirt digging mission against someone before they started running?

Try that, waiting, and seeing, for once.  You might actually learn something.

She (http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=63795.0) isn't running either.  So, what dirt do you have on any of the 20 who Are running next year?  Might want to get started on that...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 01, 2019, 10:57:11 PM
  Am awaiting the announcements to get the full picture. Joe just has the Media attention at the moment, except for NBAOC... aka NBC, who featured AOC in a Town Hall recently... we all await the rest of the announcements, and their travels...

  So far, only a few have fully stepped up. Kamala has not announced? Thought I read she received a substantial amount in Campaign Dollars on her first day... maybe I misread, or maybe you are less aware...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 01, 2019, 11:04:08 PM
 So far, only a few have fully stepped up. Kamala has not announced? Thought I read she received a substantial amount in Campaign Dollars on her first day... maybe I misread, or maybe you are less aware...

You didn't click the link, did you? 
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 01, 2019, 11:19:43 PM
  Fauxcohantas? haha, lots more fun to be had...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on April 01, 2019, 11:22:26 PM
  Fauxcohantas? haha, lots more fun to be had...

Just can't stop being racist, can you?

#Resist
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 02, 2019, 12:05:07 AM
  You doth protest too much! Exactly what race is fauxcohontas?  Liar is not a race.

 Fauxcohantas? haha, lots more fun to be had...

Just can't stop being racist, can you?

#Resist
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 02, 2019, 12:08:16 AM
 You doth protest too much! Exactly what race is fauxcohontas?

Seriously, you're going try to pretend that's not intentionally offensive?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 02, 2019, 12:10:21 AM
Offensive is not racism. Offensive to partisan Democrats, maybe.

 You doth protest too much! Exactly what race is fauxcohontas?  Liar is not a race.

Seriously, you're going to pretend that's not intentionally offensive?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 02, 2019, 12:12:26 AM
Offensive is not racism.

No, but racism is offensive.  Not clever, not subtle, just straight up racist.

It was racist when Trump said it, it was racist when he claimed to have more "Indian" blood than her, and it's still racist now. 

If you're going to be that racist, why not own it?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 02, 2019, 12:30:58 AM
Warren, Castro say they believe
woman’s claim about Biden

March 30, 2019

"...STORM LAKE, Iowa (AP) — Some Democratic presidential candidates expressed support Saturday for the Nevada political candidate who alleged former Vice President Joe Biden kissed her on the back of her head in 2014. But they didn’t say it disqualifies Biden from joining the race.

  "Speaking to reporters in Iowa, Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren and former HUD Secretary Julian Castro said they believed Lucy Flores. She wrote in New York magazine that she felt uncomfortable with her interactions with Biden..."

https://apnews.com/7946c4e3d40f422c89df8e185d4ba235


Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 02, 2019, 12:44:44 AM
Wow, it must be tough.  Having to chose between who you hate more like that.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 02, 2019, 12:53:19 AM
Connecticut Woman Accuses Joe Biden
of Inappropriate Touching in 2009


"...Biden did something similar to me at a fundraiser in Greenwich when I was a congressional aide," Lappos wrote in her Facebook post. "I'm really disappointed to see this [Facebook] post ask 'thoughts' as if the grossness of men invading women's boundaries to sniff and touch is debatable. And shame on some of the women here excusing this as boys being boys or it's not as bad as Trump. I can speak from experience when I say it's an incredibly uncomfortable situation and not at all acceptable. We need to hold our men to the same standards we hold all men..."

https://www.courant.com/politics/hc-pol-biden-grabbed-aide-20190401-vl7chim3hrdjtcwu2tszrhozzm-story.html
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 02, 2019, 02:14:51 AM
So, your own source compared him to Trump.  As bad as Trump. 

Except he doesn't have as much Power to exploit.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 02, 2019, 02:23:57 AM
AP is the source of the quote, not me.

" And shame on some of the women here excusing this as boys being boys or it's not as bad as Trump."

Mentioning Trump is not the point of her quote, and you know that.

So, your own source compared him to Trump.  As bad as Trump. 

Except he doesn't have as much Power to exploit.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 02, 2019, 02:27:55 AM
Mentioning Trump is not the point of her quote, and you know that.

No, but it was my point, and other's, before you even started this thread.  You backed Kavanaugh, your remember that?  You want the link to the thread?  Because I have it right here.

#Resist all sexual predators.  All of them, especially the ones embarrassing your party.  I'm onboard for Biden to see justice for what he's done, but I'm also still against Trump for his abuses of power.  It's not politically motivated, because my side is the victims, not the greater evil.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on April 02, 2019, 04:44:59 PM
I think Joan is scared of the opposition.  It must be hard when your man is Trump.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on April 03, 2019, 10:01:02 PM
Watch This. (https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1250939318391107/)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 04, 2019, 12:49:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=86&v=IiTq4lMCoNA
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 04, 2019, 12:53:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=JDrmMAH1hmg
Some of Ole' Joe's previously tried Campaign slogans.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 04, 2019, 01:12:04 PM
MAMA - Biden's Campaign Slogan
Make America Moral Again

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=31&v=NeU0dQrXCqs
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on May 05, 2019, 03:53:10 PM
I think Biden will keep the Democrats more moderate in their campaign issues.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 05, 2019, 08:14:31 PM
how is this for a slogan?

ORIGINAL JOE: TRUMP'S WORST NIGHTMARE.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on May 06, 2019, 04:02:46 AM
Well, at least he's actually running now?

He doesn't have my vote.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 06, 2019, 04:49:32 AM
No idea yet myself.  I'll wait and see how it shakes out.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 11, 2019, 11:01:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=63&v=C8cLNhcNRYA

Time to let American become America Again!

Joe Biden just cannot help himself,
plagiarism of Michael Avenatti.

Amazing.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on June 11, 2019, 11:50:54 PM
Well, you finally dropped the balls to stand up to a candidate that's actually in the running?  I'm proud of you!
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on June 12, 2019, 12:22:40 AM

Time to let American become America Again!

Joe Biden just cannot help himself,
plagiarism of Michael Avenatti.

Amazing.


It's funny: I googled this "amazing" act of "plagiarism," and the only references on the entire Internet are from right-wing sites.

It's four words: Make America America Again.

I can't find your post here where you accuse Trump of plagiarism for "stealing" Ronald Reagan's line "Make America Great Again."

Perhaps I missed it?






Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 12, 2019, 12:40:55 AM
  Leftist sites will never be first, when reporting about their own. Unless Michael Avenatti were to call him on it, why would CNN or other in the tank Democrats care enough to make it a story at all.

  Unless Ol Joe is no longer a meaningful 'leading' candidate, in which case none of his other Democrat opponents will pay him any mind at all.

  We shall see.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on June 12, 2019, 12:48:46 AM
"Leftists," like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLMYW8jFPHg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLMYW8jFPHg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 12, 2019, 12:58:49 AM
Graham is not one of my favorite politicians. Leftist when it fits, yep.

"Leftists," like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLMYW8jFPHg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLMYW8jFPHg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on June 12, 2019, 01:17:33 AM
Okay, so anyone you don't like is a "Leftist," because it doesn't get any farther right than Lindsey Graham.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 12, 2019, 01:38:44 AM
Very funny, psi. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

Please elaborate about the Conservative accomplishments of Sen. Graham.

Senator Graham finds his way to my thinking at times, am pleased to say; 
even a blind pig will find a morsel at times.

He enjoys getting good press. I liked Graham better when he was in the House.

I would prefer to see a reliable true believer, one who is regularly counted upon to do the right thing, because it is right, without the drama.

Okay, so anyone you don't like is a "Leftist," because it doesn't get any farther right than Lindsey Graham.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on June 12, 2019, 04:32:50 PM
Trump is terrified of Joe Biden because Biden can deliver the swing states that voted Trump in 2016:  

(https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/MSNBCs-Nicolle-Wallace-misrepresents-this-part-of-Quinnipiacs-most-recent-poll-screenshot-taken-from-her-show-515.png)


https://dailycaller.com/2019/05/15/msnbc-nicolle-wallace-donald-trump-poll/

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on June 12, 2019, 05:26:44 PM
Please elaborate about the Conservative accomplishments of Sen. Graham.

Do your own damned research. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindsey_Graham)

Honestly?  Where to start.  On every single issue, he's cut from the same Jib as his mentor, Jesse Helms.  

I can't educate your delusional ass, I'm not even going to try.  You're so fucked in the head to even consider for a moment he's anything but the face of the old school GoP.  He makes Gingrich look like a moderate.  Which you'd know, if you ever bothered to look anything up in your life, when you can just make it up from whole cloth.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 02, 2019, 01:05:18 AM
https://news.yahoo.com/talk-joe-biden-103028716.htmlb]
We Need to Talk about Joe Biden[/b]
National Review   
Kevin D. Williamson
National Review•September 1, 2019

There are two possible explanations of Joe Biden’s inability to tell the truth about things: One is that his mind is failing him, the other is that his honor is. In neither case is Biden fit to hold the office of president of the United States of America, and Democrats would discredit themselves and endanger the nation to nominate him.

Yes, yes, go ahead — “But, Trump!” etc. — and continue when you’ve completed the ritual of equivocation, and don’t think too hard about how far and in what direction that line of moral self-justification has carried the Republican party.

Joe Biden is a plagiarist and a liar, among other things. In the most recent example, detailed by the Washington Post, Biden made up a story in which he as vice president displayed personal courage and heroism in traveling to a dangerous war zone in order to recognize the service of an American soldier who had distinguished himself in a particularly dramatic way. It was a moving story. “This is the God’s truth,” he concluded. “My word as a Biden.”

But his word as a Biden isn’t worth squat, as the Post showed, reporting that “Biden got the time period, the location, the heroic act, the type of medal, the military branch and the rank of the recipient wrong, as well as his own role in the ceremony.” Which is a nice way of saying: Biden lied about an act of military heroism in order to aggrandize his own role in the story.

Like Hillary Rodham Clinton under fictitious sniper fire, Biden highlighted his own supposed courage in the face of physical danger: “We can lose a vice president. We can’t lose many more of these kids.”

If Biden here is lying with malice aforethought, then he ought to be considered morally disqualified for the office. If he is senescent, then he obviously is unable to perform the duties associated with the presidency, and asking him to do so would be indecent, dangerous, and unpatriotic.

The evidence points more toward moral disability than mental disability, inasmuch as Biden has a long career of lying about precisely this sort of thing.

The most dramatic instance of that is Biden’s continued insistence on lying about the circumstances surrounding the horrifying deaths of his wife and daughter in a terrible car accident. It is not the case, as Biden has said on many occasions, that they were killed by a drunk driver, an irresponsible trucker who “drank his lunch,” as Biden put it. That is a pure fabrication, and a slander on the man who was behind the wheel of that truck and who was haunted by the episode until the end of his days. Imagine yourself in the position of that man’s family, whose natural sympathy for Biden’s loss must be complicated by outrage at his persistent lying about the relevant events.

Why would Biden lie about the death of his wife and daughter? Why would he lie about the already-heroic efforts of American soldiers? In both cases, to make the story more dramatic, to give himself a bigger and more impressive narrative arc. That he would subordinate other people — real people, living and dead — to his own political ambition in such a callous and demeaning way counsels strongly against entrusting him with any more political power than that which he already has wielded.

Biden lies about matters great and small. He lies about his trip to Afghanistan. He lies about the death of his wife and daughter. He is wildly dishonest about his role in the Iraq War and the 1994 crime bill, landmark moments in his legislative career that later became political liabilities. And whatever the state of his brain today, he was not senile back in 1987, when he plagiarized the words of Margaret Thatcher and Neil Kinnock for his own speeches. Like his lies, his plagiarism is part of a lifelong habit: As recently as this year, he was filling out his policy papers with uncredited — stolen — material from advocacy groups.

The United States has become an empire of lies. We are governed by liars chosen on the basis of lies, and the worst partisans have begun openly to admire the lies, so long as they are skillfully constructed and delivered. The lowest among us enjoy being lied to and celebrate it. Entire political careers are based on lies — and policy initiatives, too.

But if not the serial liar Joe Biden, then whom will the Democrats choose? Elizabeth Warren, who has misrepresented her supposed Native American ancestry? Kamala Harris, who has lied about murder in order to serve her own political ends? Robert Francis O’Rourke, who cannot tell the truth for five minutes about basic and fundamental questions of public policy?

The Democrats are ready to go into November with nothing better to say for themselves than, “Our liar is better than their liar!” It is doubtful they will even be morally conflicted about that. But the nation will be worse off for it, inasmuch as democratic assumptions built on a foundation of lies must necessarily be unstable.

Joe Biden has exhausted whatever presumption of goodwill or benefit of the doubt we might have extended to him for the past 46 years. He has had his chance to show that he is a man capable of honor, integrity, and honesty — and he has failed that test at every turn. If there ever was a time for him, that time has passed. The last thing this country needs is another pathological liar in its highest office. He is unfit for the presidency in every way, and Democrats owe the country better than to nominate him in the pursuit of their own selfish partisan interests.

More from National Review
Joe and the Segs

Is Biden Really Democrats’ Best Bet?

Elizabeth Warren Is Tested and Found Wanting
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 02, 2019, 01:21:07 AM
One is that his mind is failing him,  You are talking about Biden, right?  The other is that his honor is.  Okay, because Trump never had any Honor to lose.

In neither case are they fit to hold be President of the United States of America.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on September 02, 2019, 03:24:16 AM
You can thank Trump for setting the bar so low in the truth telling department.

 :emot_laughing:

For a Trumper to complain about anything Biden is the height of hypocricy.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 02, 2019, 01:41:33 PM
For a Trumper to complain about anything Biden is the height of hypocricy.

Yeah, after "Grab them by the pussy," it's kinda funny to point out that Biden sniffed her hair.  It's still wrong, when Biden does it, but for some reason Donny gets a free pass for so much worse.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 03, 2019, 12:02:47 AM
While the posted article is, frankly, silly, I agree with the headline:


We Need to Talk about Joe Biden


Of late I've found myself in a real quandary when it comes to the former Vice President.

On the one hand, if he were 10 years younger, Biden would be the undisputed front runner for the Democratic nomination, and a very well-balanced option to defeat the current president.

On the other hand, he's currently 76, and he would be 78 at the time of his inauguration. To put that into perspective, the oldest president at the time of his inauguration was Trump back in 2017, and he was 70. Biden will be a full eight years older. I realize that "age is only a number," but Biden is almost the exact same age as my parents, and at this point in their lives, I know what they can and cannot do -- and that gives me great pause. And of late Biden seems to be showing his age, which makes his candidacy even more of a conundrum for me.

The most recent polls put Biden, Sanders, and Warren as the current top three. Sanders is a year olden than Biden, and Warren, who would be 71 at inauguration, isn't too much younger. And many of the other candidates seem to be trying too hard to out-liberal and put-progressive each other, with none of them seeming to strive for the type of balance needed to capture the middle and win the election.

Right now, I'd love to see a Biden-Gabbard ticket.

Who's with me?







Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 12:18:55 AM
And many of the other candidates seem to be trying too hard to out-liberal and put-progressive each other, with none of them seeming to strive for the type of balance needed to capture the middle and win the election.

That kinda reflects the polls.  Moderates aren't doing too well right now, because of all the extremists in office, and running.  It's kind hard to stand out in a field of 20, when one of them is a cloud-cooko lander like Marianne Williamson talking about healing the world with the power of love.

I'm with you, I hate partisan politics, but we have to look at the landscape, and right now the moderates can't yell over the extremists.  They just come off kinda bland, and "Meh."
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on September 03, 2019, 05:19:39 AM
I see your point Ms. B.  We don't want to turn off most of the country by going too extreme.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 03, 2019, 09:11:30 AM
What do you consider "too extreme" that all, or all but one Democrat Presidential Primary Candidate currently enthusiastically support, are on the record for having full support, and are scaring more than half the voters and citizens out there about 'imposing' upon them... such as The Green New Deal, elimination of Private Health Insurance as a first option, and one or another form of gun confiscation, or limitation of a hassle free way for citizens to buy the firearm they want from what is available, legally on the market in their State today?  Am really curious.

I see your point Ms. B.  We don't want to turn off most of the country by going too extreme.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 01:25:04 PM
scaring more than half the voters and citizens out there

You know this how?  Over half of the voters are "Scared" of the New Green Deal?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 03, 2019, 04:58:04 PM

And many of the other candidates seem to be trying too hard to out-liberal and put-progressive each other, with none of them seeming to strive for the type of balance needed to capture the middle and win the election.


That kinda reflects the polls.  Moderates aren't doing too well right now, because of all the extremists in office, and running.  It's kind hard to stand out in a field of 20, when one of them is a cloud-cooko lander like Marianne Williamson talking about healing the world with the power of love.

I'm with you, I hate partisan politics, but we have to look at the landscape, and right now the moderates can't yell over the extremists.  They just come off kinda bland, and "Meh."


I agree, and perhaps I'm jumping the gun. Right now it's pre-pre-primary season, and the candidates are competing with each other for Democratic votes, with less concern for appealing to the country in general. That makes sense.

At this point, polls are only vaguely indicative, and the top five are Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, and Buttigieg. Still, in every poll but one (see link below), Biden is ahead, and often pretty far ahead. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/
 



Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 07:25:06 PM
Right now it's pre-pre-primary season, and the candidates are competing with each other for Democratic votes, with less concern for appealing to the country in general.

I see it more as testing the waters.  We're going to see the herd thin out, hopefully instead of the Circus we had in the Republican primaries in 2016.  The Moderates are dropping out, because the Far Left are polling so well.  It's pretty obvious when you're in the percentiles (Not tens%  Single digits) that you're wasting time, and money on a hopeless campaign.

Unless you believe in the spiritual power of hope.  The smart ones know when to switch gears, and think about Senate seats instead.  I can respect that.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 03, 2019, 08:25:28 PM
The U.S. Senate rejected it, with I believe only one or two for it.

People today listen to the proposals, and are not taking them seriously as they seem so un-American, and we shall see if that dog will hunt, if Democrats get power again.

Democrats in general, have the advantage of a pro-Democrat Press, and much of the criticism of the more crackpot notions many Candidates support, or say they support (maybe they are lying, like Ol' Joe, when he "swears on all that is important about being a Biden", and Media just passes it by largely, making excuses...)

We shall see what happens...

scaring more than half the voters and citizens out there

You know this how?  Over half of the voters are "Scared" of the New Green Deal?
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Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 03, 2019, 08:46:29 PM

Right now it's pre-pre-primary season, and the candidates are competing with each other for Democratic votes, with less concern for appealing to the country in general.


I see it more as testing the waters.  We're going to see the herd thin out, hopefully instead of the Circus we had in the Republican primaries in 2016.  The Moderates are dropping out, because the Far Left are polling so well.  It's pretty obvious when you're in the percentiles (Not tens%  Single digits) that you're wasting time, and money on a hopeless campaign.

Unless you believe in the spiritual power of hope.  The smart ones know when to switch gears, and think about Senate seats instead.  I can respect that.


For the record, I do not believe in the spiritual power of hope, nor in "The Law of Divine Compensation."

You're right: "testing the waters" is a good way of putting it. And while there were initially something like 25 candidates, by the time the primary season arrives, it will be down to a manageable number.

Joe Biden is neither a "liberal" nor a "progressive," and he's certainly not among the "far Left." Then again, neither was Hillary Clinton (nor her husband, nor Obama). Yes, I'm aware than in Joan Terms, they're all leftist extremist communist socialists, but in reality, they're all only a little bit to the left of center.

Moving from data to personal opinion, I think the last thing the Democrats want to do, at least when they start looking to the general election, is to position themselves as Liberals and/or Progressives.

Miss Barbara's Relatively Obvious Theory of Presidential ElectionsTM states that in any given presidential election, each candidate will automatically win 35% of the vote, and the candidate who wins the election will be the one who captured the majority of the remaining 30%. At the risk of vastly oversimplifying, that's what Trump did, and that's what Clinton failed to do. And that's certainly what Obama did.






 
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 08:57:12 PM
People today listen to the proposals, and are not taking them seriously as they seem so un-American

Again, you're speaking for "The People," instead of listening to them.  Which is about as anti-democracy as you can get.  You're Dictating that America believe what you want them to.  Your proposal is basically a Thought Police State.

So, again.  How do you know what the voters think?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 09:00:29 PM
Joe Biden is neither a "liberal" nor a "progressive," and he's certainly not among the "far Left."

True, Biden is about the most centrist of the leaders.  However, that also counts against him, (At least he's been called on his track record, repeatedly, by Women of Color in the debates.)  As does his "Hands on" approach to some of the female potential voters, and their Parents.  

I can't share the photo here, but I'm pretty sure you know what I mean.  I don't want him as President.  Regardless of how "Moderate" he claims to be, I don't like him
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 03, 2019, 09:33:53 PM

Joe Biden is neither a "liberal" nor a "progressive," and he's certainly not among the "far Left."


True, Biden is about the most centrist of the leaders.  However, that also counts against him, (At least he's been called on his track record, repeatedly, by Women of Color in the debates.)  As does his "Hands on" approach to some of the female potential voters, and their Parents.  

I can't share the photo here, but I'm pretty sure you know what I mean.  I don't want him as President.  Regardless of how "Moderate" he claims to be, I don't like him


More good points.

And this begs one question (and I'm not really sure what the answer is): Will those who are currently criticizing or condemning him for his track record, or for not being a liberal or progressive enough, still vote for him next November is is he, in fact, the Democratic candidate?

I wouldn't say that "I don't like him," but I will admit that he's a far from perfect candidate, both on his own and vis a vis his competition. And this is especially true if he is, in fact, the candidate on the ballot next November. If that proves to be the case, I likely will vote for him. Would you?




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 09:39:25 PM
If that proves to be the case, I likely will vote for him. Would you?

I would have to see the other candidate.  Is he as bad as Trump?  Surely we can pick a higher bar than that.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 03, 2019, 09:45:42 PM

If that proves to be the case, I likely will vote for him. Would you?

I would have to see the other candidate.  Is he as bad as Trump?  Surely we can pick a higher bar than that.


Sorry, what I meant was that if the two major parties on the November 2020 ballot where Trump and Biden, along with some other candidates of the caliber of Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, would you vote for Biden?

Actually, you don't have to answer that. It's a personal decision, and one that need not be shared with others.

I would vote for him, but with a sense of reluctance and a lack of enthusiasm, perhaps as the "least worst" candidate." But that ties back into what I was saying above: The Democrats won't have a clear edge in the 2020 presidential election if their candidate is the "least worst" candidate. And therein lies the problem.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 09:55:34 PM
The lesser evil doesn't work for the greater good.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 03, 2019, 10:54:11 PM
  In addition to 'beating Trump', what criteria do you use, when voting for the Democrat Presidential Candidate, as far as what you are hoping a win will bring in your personal interest? Whoever the Democrat winner may be.

  Do you believe any of todays Primary Candidates can deliver on their promises and policies to your satisfaction? Do you believe their campaign rhetoric or promises will actually happen in their first year, first two years, first term?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 10:55:46 PM
Of whom are you asking?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 03, 2019, 11:25:55 PM
  Any member who cares to answer, and another, and another.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 03, 2019, 11:29:20 PM
I would like to see boring stuff, like Infrastructure, stabilizing the economy, starting to change over the energy system, and basically making the country actually work.

I would vote for that, but they don't make very interesting talking points.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 04, 2019, 12:06:09 AM
Thank you. And the second part of the Question, about Campaign Promises ?

I would like to see boring stuff, like Infrastructure, stabilizing the economy, starting to change over the energy system, and basically making the country actually work.

I would vote for that, but they don't make very interesting talking points.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 04, 2019, 12:07:13 AM
Thank you. And the second part of the Question, about Campaign Promises ?

I care more about results than promises.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 04, 2019, 12:23:10 AM

  In addition to 'beating Trump', what criteria do you use, when voting for the Democrat Presidential Candidate, as far as what you are hoping a win will bring in your personal interest? Whoever the Democrat winner may be.


In the end, every voter votes in his or her personal interests. Of course, we vote for the candidate whom we believe will most effectively guide the nation, solve its problems, and bring it to further greatness. But our choice among the candidates are still based on our personal view of whom will be the best.

There's also, of course, a strong element of pragmatism, especially once the two candidates have been decided. I've voted reluctantly before, and I'm sure I'll vote reluctantly again, but my lack of excitement or enthusiasm for a given candidate does not affect my ultimate choice of candidates.




Do you believe any of today's Primary Candidates can deliver on their promises and policies to your satisfaction? Do you believe their campaign rhetoric or promises will actually happen in their first year, first two years, first term?


Yes, that's the ultimate question. But that question applies to every single voter, and to every single candidate -- and for whatever office. There's no perfect candidate this time around, and there's never been a perfect candidate. You're correct that I evaluate candidates based on whether or not their campaign promises are realistic, viable, and effective, and on whether or not they can be affected.

At the same time, every single American voter in the 2020 presidential election will have about four years of track record for our current president on which to evaluate him. And it's my fervent hope that they will cool-headedly review his four years of history and find him wanting thereby.





Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 04, 2019, 01:56:56 AM
Thank you. Appreciate your response.
Thank you. And the second part of the Question, about Campaign Promises ?

I care more about results than promises.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 04, 2019, 01:59:08 AM
Thank you, MissBarbara. Appreciate your response(s).
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on September 04, 2019, 04:12:45 PM
I think there are many voters who are looking for a candidate that is a moderate, one who doesn't think their way is the only way and that compromise is what politics is all about. The ages of the leading candidates probably isn't a plus among the young voters but then again, it is us "oldsters" who come out and vote in higher numbers then do the young voters.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 04, 2019, 04:34:16 PM
it is us "oldsters" who come out and vote in higher numbers then do the young voters.

Traditionally, but because of AOC, and others, there seems to be an upsurge in Millennial voting, and most of them are fairly Liberal.  Possibly might have something to do with being the generation that's going to have to clean up our mess.  Is it enough to offset the traditional Church Voting Drives?

Only time will tell, but you'll eventually run out of boomers, and they're making more Youngsters...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 04, 2019, 08:19:07 PM

It is us "oldsters" who come out and vote in higher numbers then do the young voters.


Traditionally, but because of AOC, and others, there seems to be an upsurge in Millennial voting, and most of them are fairly Liberal.  Possibly might have something to do with being the generation that's going to have to clean up our mess.  Is it enough to offset the traditional Church Voting Drives?

Only time will tell, but you'll eventually run out of boomers, and they're making more Youngsters...


While there's an upsurge in Millennial social network posting, there's scant evidence that that has translated into an upsurge in voting. And that includes both the Millennials and the next generation below them (whatever its called), who have or soon will reach voting age.

While AOC has tremendous appeal to younger voters, her election was very prisaic. She's a Democrat running in an overwhelmingly Democratic district, and an Hispanic running in a majority Hispanic district. The fact that she won should have come as a surprise to exactly no one.





Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 04, 2019, 08:49:47 PM
While there's an upsurge in Millennial social network posting, there's scant evidence that that has translated into an upsurge in voting.

Other than the Mid-terms?  The Record Mid-terms, and Millennials were the only significant new demographic.

Other than that, you're right.  No evidence, but we still have more than a year to go...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 04, 2019, 10:16:14 PM
 If everyone who can, or who can get their hands on a ballot were to vote for AOC, and along with AOC, vote for the Democrat Presidential Nominee (pick one), no net change would occur at all. If all the illegals who usually vote in New York cast their ballots in AOC's district polls, will be no net change at all.

  Same net Electoral College vote, exactly. It would help net a NY State win for the Democrat, no matter who it may be, or even if no one were on the line for President. Same Electoral College vote as 2016, or within spittin' distance, and same result, so long as NY is a 'winner takes all' Electoral College State.

  If AOC's District were to unexpectedly not vote at all, same result. Only the House seat might be affected if anyone voted at all. Only way AOC's district matters would be if that District voted Republican for House on their ballot. Matters not who that district votes for as to President.

  AOC's District is hers to lose, pretty much her's alone. Is why she can say virtually anything affecting the Nation, endorse or not anything at all pretty much.

  She got rid of the visible legal issues, with her Chief of Staff/Office/Campaign Manager vanishing into the night recently. She has not married her Brother, yet, as if that would be an issue for Democrats... The on the payroll Boyfriend issue will be blamed on the Ex Campaign Manager if it raises up anew.

  Safe seat, unless she pisses off someone, lots of someones in her district.

  There is a year, maybe she will pick up a Democrat Primary challenger?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 04, 2019, 10:24:08 PM
Nobody has to vote for AOC, she already won her election.  She's the incumbent, no net change=she stays in office.  That's how elections work.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 04, 2019, 11:57:38 PM
About four years ago, I had a PM discussion with another KB member on this topic. He insisted that Joan was a troll, a right-wing mouthpiece. I, on the other hand, argued that though her contributions are disagreeable to many, that doesn't make her a troll.

Four years later, Joan has proven me dead wrong:

"If all the illegals who usually vote in New York cast their ballots in AOC's district polls, will be no net change at all."

"She got rid of the visible legal issues, with her Chief of Staff/Office/Campaign Manager vanishing into the night recently."

"She has not married her Brother, yet, as if that would be an issue for Democrats."

I love having political discussions on KB. But I hate having non-discussions with increasingly off-balance posters whose sole goal seems to be reproducing the most exreme right-wing talking points.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on September 05, 2019, 06:04:27 AM
LOL!

Does Joan really belive this stuff?  Or is it just spin.

However, I think it does indicate that AOC has Joan's panties in a twist!

 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:

Back to mre serious discussion, I would love to see Universal Health Care, but never fear, the private insurer's will still survive just fine by selling supplemental policies, just like they do with medicare.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 05, 2019, 03:17:32 PM
  My point about AOC is she has a safe seat, no matter her crackpot statements and promotion of ideas.

A little sarcasm bites, I suppose.

No challenge to anything I said, I notice, except the sarcasm.

So, yes, Lois, I do 'believe that', about the main point I was making, at least.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 05, 2019, 06:08:29 PM
No challenge to anything I said, I notice, except the sarcasm.

Don't break your arm.  As if you would notice if there were. 
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on September 05, 2019, 06:40:39 PM

No challenge to anything I said, I notice, except the sarcasm.


Don't break your arm.  As if you would notice if there were. 


Psi, she's actually correct: AOC has not yet married her brother.

And, given her history, asking for proof or at least demonstration assertion that many illegals who vote in NYC elections is utterly beside the point...





Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on September 05, 2019, 06:48:24 PM
I just don’t understand all this talk about AOC when all those poor souls in Alabama are in the sharpie path of a hurricane?


Now that folks is sarcasm.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 05, 2019, 06:57:34 PM
AOC has not yet married her brother.

To my knowledge, she hasn't walked on the moon, either.  That's not really a point.

The list of people who haven't married their siblings is a lot longer than the ones that have.  So, I don't see how that datum could affect the voters of the 14th congressional district.

If she had, then that would probably be significant.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: staci on September 05, 2019, 07:07:42 PM
Oooh, sarcasm, I love it.

Sarah Palin could see Russia from her porch and she ran for vice president.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 05, 2019, 07:09:12 PM
Sarah Palin could see Russia from her porch and she ran for vice president.

Okay, but 1: This isn't a beauty pageant, and B: I'm pretty sure AOC's tits are bigger.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 05, 2019, 07:40:11 PM
My point is that not much AOC does will affect anything at all.

The Democrat will win in her district, and her state.

Does not matter what happens, or what AOC does, or says, or thinks, etc. etc. etc. Cannot think of anything she would possibly do or say or think that could change that fact.

She does not matter.

Safe Dem seat.

Safe Dem state.

Safe Dem Electoral College win in NY.


No challenge to anything I said, I notice, except the sarcasm.


Don't break your arm.  As if you would notice if there were. 


Psi, she's actually correct: AOC has not yet married her brother.

And, given her history, asking for proof or at least demonstration assertion that many illegals who vote in NYC elections is utterly beside the point...






Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on September 05, 2019, 07:42:39 PM
Sarah Palin could see Russia from her porch and she ran for vice president.

Okay, but 1: This isn't a beauty pageant, and B: I'm pretty sure AOC's tits are bigger.


Finally, important attributes of political figures are being discussed.

I’m a great admirer of AOC’s tits, even if she goes at great lengths to hide them.

On another note, is that why she pisses off the right so much?  Because she’s way hotter than Sarah Palin?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 05, 2019, 07:48:08 PM
Finally, important attributes of political figures are being discussed.

Sorry, thought this was the pseudo-political non-sequitor thread.

 :roll:

Oh, right.  WTF does the 14th congressional seat have to do with Joe Biden's 2020 Presidential campaign?

She does not matter.

Then YTF are we talking about her so much?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on September 05, 2019, 07:48:22 PM
My point is that not much AOC does will affect anything at all.

The Democrat will win in her district, and her state.

Does not matter what happens, or what AOC does, or says, or thinks, etc. etc. etc. Cannot think of anything she would possibly do or say or think that could change that fact.

She does not matter.



I agree.  Freshman congresspersons do not matter very much.

Which doesn’t explain the Right’s obsession with her.  What does explain their obsession is she and her ‘squad’ are the current boogeywomen being used for demagoguery.

Boogeywomen for demagoguery, I gotta remember that one.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on September 05, 2019, 07:50:29 PM
And I knew Psi would woo me for that one
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 05, 2019, 07:51:48 PM
And I knew Psi would woo me for that one

You asked for it!
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 07, 2019, 07:55:31 AM
Biden draws first blood...

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2019/09/06/joe-bidens-bloody-eye-cnn-somehow-spiked-everyone-fox
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on September 08, 2019, 01:01:57 AM
It is quite scary looking, and I've heard about it from plenty of media sources, even those Joan claims made no mention.

But let's face it, Biden, Bernie, Trump and Warren are all over 70 years old.  Of them all Trump shows signs of loosing his mind, and Warren looks the least pressed by age.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 08, 2019, 01:08:42 AM
I agree, Lois.  It's about time for the next generations to get involved in Politics.  They have their day, it's right now.  There's no Term Limits in Congress, stay there, and let someone GAIN some executive experience.  The baby boom can't keep running everything, forever.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 08, 2019, 02:31:56 AM
  Warren looks the least pressed by age?

  The same Senator who wanted to be the Czar of Consumers, got pissed off when not selected, then ran for Office as Senator? The same one promising NO COAL by Executive Order on Day One? And the same one who will always spend Trillions more than any other Democrat Primary Candidate, seemingly no matter the issue where the race to spend is being stoked?

  The same Senator who's Husband will have to leave his $400K job, if most of her supposed policies stand any chance to happen?

  The Indian? With an entry in a Indian Cookbook noted on her Harvard resume? 

  Wrinkles much? Her wrinkles begin around the waistline and go all the way up to her hair, and the style of Tops she wears make this very clear...

  Wanna Beer, Warren?

  Please run E. Warren against D. Trump... please...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on September 08, 2019, 06:16:05 PM

 Of them all Trump shows signs of losing his mind.

To lose one's mind, one has to have a mind to begin with.  ;D

Psi - go easy on us baby boomers. We are supporting, in different ways, the generations that have followed us.  8)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 08, 2019, 07:32:46 PM
We are supporting, in different ways, the generations that have followed us.  8)

Yes, but at some point, you have to let them go, to live their own lives.  If you keep the training wheels on until they're in their twenties...

They have to take over the world.  They have to, they're going to outlive us.  They have to learn to rule the world, at some point, because they will literally Inherit the Earth.  Centuries of Pollution, denial, crushing student debt, and a cripped economy, from Your generations' mismanagement.

It's going to be hard enough to do it, with all of that.  Don't hold them back so that nobody alive has ANY experience running a country after you die, too.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: psiberzerker on September 08, 2019, 07:38:46 PM
With all due respect, you let the Nazis come back.  The greatest generation, your parents literally fought back fascism, and saved the world.  Then retired to the suburbs, bought a station wagon, and had a whole pile of kids.

Now, we have Nazis here.  Marching in the streets, literally goose stepping to Capital hill, and they are gaining power.

Good job, guys.  I, for one, think it's about time you let go of the reigns, and let someone else take power before they burn down the fucking reichstag, and blame it on the Mexicans.

With all due respect to my elders.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on September 08, 2019, 08:27:10 PM
Many boomers are still in their 50's, not that old when it comes to being POTUS.

And very funny Joan, but yes, Warren seems much better age wise-wise than Trump, Biden & Bernie.  Women may have more wrinkles, but women's minds stay sharp much longer.

Trump is becoming more and more incoherent every day.  Either he has progressing dementia, or maybe even some mini-strokes.  There's a group of medical profesionals that have opined that he won't even make it to the 2020 election.  Personally, I think these medical professionnals underestimate the ability of his supporters to excuse his behavior or what he says.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on February 26, 2020, 06:40:14 PM
Fact Check: Joe Biden Says 150 Million Americans Died from Gun Violence Since 2007

CLAIM: During the South Carolina Democrat debate, former Vice President Joe Biden claimed 150 million Americans have died since 2007 because gun makers cannot be sued.

VERDICT: FALSE.
__________________________________

Joe Biden alluded to the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, the passage of which protected gun manufacturers from lawsuits in scenarios where the gun in question was legally made and legally sold. He equated this protection with “absolute immunity,” saying it “has caused carnage on our streets. 150 million people have been killed since 2007 when [Bernie Sanders] voted to exempt the gun manufacturers from liability.”

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) lists the number of American deaths for the year 2008 as 2,471,984, for 2009 as 2,437,163, and for 2010 as 2,468,435. The leading causes were heart disease, cancer, respiratory problems, and accidents.
 
In 2017, the numbers were very similar, with death totals at just over 2,800,000.

150 million Americans did not die due from gun violence between 2007 and 2020.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on February 26, 2020, 08:12:40 PM
The Biden camp has since stated it was a misstatement and recanted.

Meanwhile, Trump has surpassed 16 thousand false and misleading statements since becoming president, not recanting a single one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/01/20/president-trump-made-16241-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-three-years/%3foutputType=amp
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on February 26, 2020, 08:32:04 PM
Nearly 3 million a year is still not a small number.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on February 26, 2020, 10:24:47 PM
I believe the total death number for the US was listed as north of 2.5 million from all causes... old age, hit by trolley car, fell off a mountain trail, car crash, all causes, less than 3 million total, and the high number listed does not call out the specific lower number that may be Suicide, and the far lower number that may be accidental firearm self harm by idiots and the rest of us.

Nearly 3 million a year is still not a small number.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on February 27, 2020, 01:39:50 AM
Ah, thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on February 27, 2020, 01:52:17 AM
One would think ALL of the persons debating, and any/all of the 'moderators' would have put together quickly that their own Country, having a 310 Million population (approx) would not have have had 150,000,000,000 gun deaths since 2007. It was a BullShit number, and he rehearsed it well...

None called him out at all, let alone right away. He got away with it.
That was his plan... pandering to the low information voter with nonsense...
The bigotry of low expectations... Hey, it works! Like Hillary carrying hotsauce.

I guess the 'give a pass to 'ole Joe' is still operational with leftist Media, and as well with ALL the debating politicians on the stage, as well the supposed 'news analysts' commenting for the TV audience... nah...

Handling a GAFFE, AGAIN, and doing it off the LIVE air coverage, letting any fool who still believes anything Joe Biden has to say as 'The Truth, No Joke'
think his numbers were spot on, and his delivery showed why you should vote for him, is just 'ducky', eh?  Whatever...

Ah, thanks for the clarification.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on February 27, 2020, 03:33:28 PM
One would think ALL of the persons debating, and any/all of the 'moderators' would have put together quickly that their own Country, having a 310 Million population (approx) would not have have had 150,000,000,000 gun deaths since 2007. It was a BullShit number, and he rehearsed it well...

Now you are inflating the numbers, adding those three extra zeros.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on February 27, 2020, 06:45:53 PM
... Millions... Billions... pretty soon you are talking about real numbers!
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: msslave on February 27, 2020, 06:51:15 PM
... Millions... Billions... pretty soon you are talking about real numbers!
Damn Joan, no you're talking like a Democrat! :D
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on February 27, 2020, 08:12:38 PM
You certainly don’t get any real numbers out of Trump, everything is inflated or just plain made up.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on February 27, 2020, 08:54:55 PM
Trump not looking so good now. Stocks down 10% in three days, the biggest drop since 2008. This keeps up and his bragging about the economy  will fall on deaf ears.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on February 27, 2020, 09:53:15 PM
Mainstream Media, and Democrats, but I am being redundant, are leaping on the C - Virus as the latest method to take down our President... and it is not working, in the real world.

Efforts to stampede stock markets will not work, with the lack of a 'pandemic' the United States faces today... 60 cases, Nationwide, the last of which was an individual who had 'some contact' with an infected one, is not something to panic about, not whatsoever.

The Government is responding, is ahead at this point, of the issue, and is well designed to stay ahead, as we learn how this Virus can best be handled. Our private, for profit, medical system has already produced a drug to counter the C-Virus, to those who can afford it's purchase.

For those who cannot create such solutions, time will tell how their populations react to exposure to such issues. We learned only yesterday, we meaning me, that we have some fairly large amount of unspent monies, set aside for Ebola when it was the 'pandemic threat' of the day, and that money can form a good start, along with the initial amounts requested by this Administration, in these early reaction days.

Cities have begun to mobilize their own resources, and those reserves each may have created for such a medical event, should it impact their citizens.

Stopping the importation of the masses, screening all incoming from dangerous locations properly, including Quarantine, as needed, may be happening more in the near future, as it may be warranted.

No reason to panic, at all. Lots of reason for concern, and adjustments, and the facts about Apple or other major manufacturers who assemble their wares in China, or other Nations facing a crisis at this point, is good reason for stocks to follow their recent warnings about not showing the previously forecast sales and profits.

Buy lot, sell high.

Trump not looking so good now. Stocks down 10% in three days, the biggest drop since 2008. This keeps up and his bragging about the economy  will fall on deaf ears.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 01, 2020, 02:38:19 AM
BREAKING: Joe Biden Finally Wins a Primary
Source: (AP Photo/John Locher)

Former Vice President Joe Biden locked down a much needed win in South Carolina Saturday night as his campaign continues to struggle heading into Super Tuesday. Bernie Sanders has taken second place and Pete Buttigieg third.

Notably, Biden has run for president three times and this is his first primary or caucus victory.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/02/29/breaking-joe-biden-finally-wins-a-primary-n2562396
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 01, 2020, 06:41:17 PM
Joe Biden Lives To Brainfreeze Another Day

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/02/29/breaking-joe-biden-finally-wins-a-primary-n2562396
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on March 01, 2020, 07:20:48 PM
Biden needed to win in South Carolina. He is counting heavily on the Black vote and Obama's coattails.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 02, 2020, 01:21:20 AM
"....He is counting heavily on the Black vote and Obama's coattails...."
  So is President Trump, counting on the Black vote, and those who clearly recall Obama/Biden...

You did'nt build that... 1% Growth is the new normal... How are you going to fix jobs... with a Wand or something?... If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor... Cuba is our friend... Iran is our friend, give them Millions, pallets of cash on unmarked planes... Pro Palestine, Dump Netanyahu...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 03, 2020, 12:45:18 AM
Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on March 03, 2020, 12:59:10 AM
Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.

I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on March 03, 2020, 02:57:32 PM

Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.


I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.


I agree, and I've been saying so for the past month.

And, as I just noted in another thread, the hardcore Bernie supporters are generally young people, and young people don't vote in record numbers.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 03, 2020, 03:08:46 PM
Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.

I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.


I’m OK with that, but wondering if Biden/Harris or Biden/Castro would be better.  Or Biden/ Michelle Obama, LOL.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 03, 2020, 08:56:01 PM
Ukraine court forces probe into Biden role
in firing of prosecutor Viktor Shokin


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/ukraine-court-forces-probe-into-biden-role-in-firing-of-prosecutor-viktor-shokin/2020/02/27/92710222-5983-11ea-8efd-0f904bdd8057_story.html
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 03, 2020, 09:02:57 PM
“Let’s say I can write a claim to the SBI that I think aliens stole my car,” she continued. “And the SBI obviously will not open [a case] as there is not evidence of a crime. But then I can go to court and make the SBI open it, through a court decision. So this case looks to me like that.”


Did you even read the article?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 03, 2020, 10:34:33 PM
  Valerie Jarrett has joined other Deep State members, in endorsing Joe Biden to be the Democrat Nominee in 2020... Valerie also says, now, Democrats must have a strong black woman for Vice President...

  One who comes to mind:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=9&v=tpAOwJvTOio&feature=emb_logo
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on March 04, 2020, 06:28:22 AM
Gee Joan, can you be anymore racist?

Besides the so called "Obama Phone" has been around way before Obama.  It was President Reagan that started the no cost telephone for those living in poverty.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 04, 2020, 07:36:22 PM
Valerie Jarrett made the observation about having a WOC as Veep.

Wonder just WHO she has in mind...

With Biden being a strong Article 25 candidate, and Democrats showing little to no restraint when it comes to such antics, Michelle (oops, did I let the cat out) or whoever the Party chooses to be Joe's successor, could just be IN PLACE when the 'plug' requires pulling, maybe in 2022 or so, and ready for acclimation in 2024 thru 2032...

All I did was suggest a different WOC, a known active and vocal Democrat.

Now who is being racist, Lois, scoffing at a well known WOC from Chicago...

Gee Joan, can you be anymore racist?

Besides the so called "Obama Phone" has been around way before Obama.  It was President Reagan that started the no cost telephone for those living in poverty.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 04, 2020, 07:38:26 PM
As I recall, you noted the time you thanked President Reagan for your phone.
So long ago...  I did not locate the Obama Phone WOC set to music, yet...

Gee Joan, can you be anymore racist?

Besides the so called "Obama Phone" has been around way before Obama.  It was President Reagan that started the no cost telephone for those living in poverty.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 05, 2020, 05:25:18 PM
  Joe Biden has assumed the Hillary Clinton mantle as Democrat Nominee for President, clearly the most qualified Candidate ever, with a lifetime of public service, tax payer paid employment.

 (almost, anyway, very soon) (Toe was correct, even if he bailed on Joe at the last minute, congrats, Toe)

 Mainstream media is busy, air brushing Joe's brain addled stumbles, whether from his two brain Aneurysm surgeries, and/or his Age...in hopes he may actually beat the odds, get elected (then deposed at a suitable time, to move up his VP choice). Meanwhile elites will plot the fate of the Nation, should this happen.

Nothing to see or worry about here, move along please...

Late night comics will have to concentrate on giving Trump daily attention, as they have since before he was inaugurated in 2017. I am sure President Trump is capable of supplying the comics with material, from now until 2024 at least.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 05, 2020, 05:37:11 PM
Meanwhile, the stable genius.



(https://i.imgur.com/SzUR0p2.gif)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 13, 2020, 04:44:29 AM
  Toe, Jed_, Lois, and JoE Biden use debunked claims about President Trump. No news there, and KB expects such antics from Democrats.

  JoE Biden managed to quote the same type of Faux Statistics in his speech regarding the CoronaVirus, as he attempted to make political gains from the faulty data, also a general expectation of KB "listeners", who just love that data.

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-deploys-debunked-attack-in-attempt-to-capitalize-on-coronavirus/
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on March 13, 2020, 05:35:53 AM
President Joe Biden.  I can’t wait.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on March 13, 2020, 02:02:33 PM
Our local paper is calling for Sanders to drop out because he doesn't have a chance to win the nomination after his big defeat on Super Tuesday. I still think let the people decide rather then newspaper editors.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on March 13, 2020, 02:33:54 PM
Our local paper is calling for Sanders to drop out because he doesn't have a chance to win the nomination after his big defeat on Super Tuesday. I still think let the people decide rather then newspaper editors.



Sanders will be more or less mathematically eliminated after Florida on Tuesday. The secret at this point is how does Biden reach out to Sanders to avoid a decisive split in party voters, like what happened between Sanders and Clinton in 2016?  The good news is, Sanders and Biden seem to like each other, and I don’t think there is personal animosity between them. Hopefully, Sanders can transfer his support base to Biden. But he’s going to demand some platform concessions in return. And the Democrats can’t go all crazy liberal, if they want to win in November.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 13, 2020, 04:40:14 PM
President Joe Biden.  I can’t wait.


It can’t happen soon enough, but at least it’s going to happen.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on March 13, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
 Toe, Jed_, Lois, and JoE Biden use debunked claims about President Trump. No news there, and KB expects such antics from Democrats. .

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-deploys-debunked-attack-in-attempt-to-capitalize-on-coronavirus/

The last Obama CDC budget for year 2018 was $11.9 million.
https://www.hhs.gov/about/budget/fy2018/budget-in-brief/cdc/index.html

Then Trump came into office:

Total CDC budgets by year after 2018:
2019 $6,469,740
2020 $6,839,946
2021 $5,565,318 (a further proposed $1,274,628 cut for this year.)

Source:  https://www.cdc.gov/budget/fact-sheets.html

So if Trump did not cut the budget, who did?

Or maybe you are arguing that Trump did not line item veto the budget with regards to global pandemics?  Still, the CDC has less to work with overall.  Were they supposed to cut research into prevent cancer, TB, etc., just in case there was a global pandemic?

And where is the testing we should all have to monitor the spread of the corona virus?  The CDC is limping along after loosing nearly 50% of it's budget after Trump's election.  No wonder we have no testing widely available yet.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 13, 2020, 07:00:27 PM
 Toe, Jed_, Lois, and JoE Biden use debunked claims about President Trump. No news there, and KB expects such antics from Democrats. .

https://freebeacon.com/politics/biden-deploys-debunked-attack-in-attempt-to-capitalize-on-coronavirus/

The last Obama CDC budget for year 2018 was $11.9 million.
https://www.hhs.gov/about/budget/fy2018/budget-in-brief/cdc/index.html

Then Trump came into office:

Total CDC budgets by year after 2018:
2019 $6,469,740
2020 $6,839,946
2021 $5,565,318 (a further proposed $1,274,628 cut for this year.)

Source:  https://www.cdc.gov/budget/fact-sheets.html

So if Trump did not cut the budget, who did?

Or maybe you are arguing that Trump did not line item veto the budget with regards to global pandemics?  Still, the CDC has less to work with overall.  Were they supposed to cut research into prevent cancer, TB, etc., just in case there was a global pandemic?

And where is the testing we should all have to monitor the spread of the corona virus?  The CDC is limping along after loosing nearly 50% of it's budget after Trump's election.  No wonder we have no testing widely available yet.




The White House had an office charged with coordinating responses to any potential pandemics, opened during the Obama Administration in 2014 due to the Ebola outbreak.  The office carried over to the next administration, but Trump closed the office in 2018.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/i-ran-the-white-house-pandemic-office-trump-closed-it/ar-BB1192Xy
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 13, 2020, 07:16:50 PM
  Good to see you are all using the same DNC/MSMBC/CNN approved talking points, and a pity you did not read the data in the article I referenced.

  CDC screwed up the initial Test, approved a Test that did not isolate well, and then, prior to President Trump's scheduled Cabinet Meeting to discuss C-Virus, the very political spokesperson for CDC arranged a Press Phone call, preaching the panic the Press was happy to run with, and continues to run with.

  The President was in the Air when the "news conference" commenced, lead by the sister of disgraced FBI liar Rosenstein, as if they needed any more political reason to get ahead of President Trump on the announcement.

  We have 40 dead Americans in USA, as compared to 1000 deaths here from the Chinese Swine Flu, when the Media lauded President Obama for calling an Emergency Nationally. Eventually we lost 18,000 in US due to that foreign virus, and had over one million with the Virus when we called the Emergency, and eventually 50,000,000 contracted the Swine Flu virus...

  When Obama announced the Emergency, no sports teams, no golf tournament was affected, most schools continues unless local authority decided  against it. Of course, the selling of Obamacare was under way, and the President was a Democrat, and so the media mostly ignored, and did not hype that Chinese Flu.

  Media and Democrats, but I am being redundant, have been cheerleading a crash of our economy, and a shutdown of damn near everything, in their effort to force President Trump to cancel his successful Campaign Rallies, as i see it.

  40 deaths as of today out of 327,000,000 in America...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 13, 2020, 09:20:34 PM

 

  Media and Democrats, but I am being redundant, have been cheerleading a crash of our economy, and a shutdown of damn near everything, in their effort to force President Trump to cancel his successful Campaign Rallies, as i see it.




I highly recommend Trump continue his rallies.  Hec, have 3 or 4 a day every day for the next few weeks.  Pack the Trumptards in like sardines and let them marinate in their own expectorates.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on March 13, 2020, 09:29:39 PM
Italy's Covid-19 started with just a few at first. Epidemiologists have noted that we are two weeks behind Italy in terms of the advance of the virus.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 13, 2020, 10:13:47 PM
Sorry, Lois, I think your bet on the pandemic for us here is a loser.

Am sure you will be so disappointed, but the early action, banning China incoming air passengers while Democrats were distracting us all with Impeachment, was the key to getting ahead of it for the United States.

I know Democrats and Leftists are rooting for the pandemic, and I expect May will see the end of the US "scare" being endorsed by your leaders.

Will see when Media begins to focus anew on President Trump's "popularity", so they can drop the promotion efforts for CoronaVirus... unless his "popularity" remains in the 40's, or dog forbid, actually climbs, as markets recover, and sports like golf and baseball begin, late, but once again strong.

Italy's Covid-19 started with just a few at first. Epidemiologists have noted that we are two weeks behind Italy in terms of the advance of the virus.


Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on March 14, 2020, 12:01:14 AM
Italy's Covid-19 started with just a few at first. Epidemiologists have noted that we are two weeks behind Italy in terms of the advance of the virus.




250 people died in Italy today, that was just one day.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on March 14, 2020, 02:34:51 AM
I am not rooting for any pandemic, Joan. I honesty wish the whole thing would go away.

But I'm not going to engage in magical thinking either. I  listen to the experts, not you or Trump.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on March 14, 2020, 02:45:36 AM
Italy's Covid-19 started with just a few at first. Epidemiologists have noted that we are two weeks behind Italy in terms of the advance of the virus.




250 people died in Italy today, that was just one day.

This is not Italy where free health care equals lax health care.  I talk to several guys from poland, england, and such who truthfully complain about how their free healthcare works.  Random rescheduling without notification, weeks delay between exams and results, and how those who do pay come first. Yes our healthcare is expensive but it is top notch and the best in the world.  We are two weeks behind Italy in a cure, but we have the time to catch up before it gets as bad.  It is a terrible shame for those that have died to it, but we have a hire surviving rate than any other country.  In my state there have been 7 confirmed cases, one cure, and zero deaths.  I think I'll leave my worries for soemthing else.  :emot_kiss:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on March 14, 2020, 05:14:50 AM
While your previous claim has the benefit of some subjectivity, this one is just simply objectively untrue.

Per capita.

And as far as my concern over relatives. The oldest person in my family right now is my uncle bill at 68.  Both my grandparents I care about past away more than 5 years ago.

I dont give a fuck all about anybody on my mother's side so no worries there, actually if america wants to catch up on the covid-19 death toll, go ahead and start there. In fact, If I do end up getting it, I may go on over for a family reunion, spread the love, as it were.

The reason ours is the best is because we have majority of the best doctors in the world.  Global brain drain brings them here because of capitalism.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on March 14, 2020, 05:33:53 AM
Well, the experts don't agree but you're entitled to an opinion.

Apologies for assuming you might have concern beyond your own wellbeing.

I've gained my opinion from "the experts"

My concern for others goes no further than "take care of yourself and wish you well"  I'm not about to "freak out" and go all crazy about something I have no real control over.  Follow good hygiene and good luck, what else do you expect of me?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on March 14, 2020, 03:39:36 PM

But I'm not going to engage in magical thinking either. I  listen to the experts, not you or Trump.

Exactly, least in the case with Trump. If he wasn't such a narcissist he would have let the head of CDC take control from the onset. Least people would have a tendency to listen to the CDC rather then a politician.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 14, 2020, 10:34:43 PM
  CDC fudged up the effort, when they had the lead, then tried to get out ahead of President Trump with a 'scary' new phone conference, when they were supposed to be involved the next day with Vice President Pence, and President Trump at the White House Cabinet meeting on the topic.

  The situation is in good hands now, media and disbelieving Democrats not withstanding. Go wash your hands, please.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 16, 2020, 12:52:09 AM
  Up until the JoE Biden virtual Town Hall broadcast, this clip was thought to be the funniest TV Commercial of all time:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on March 16, 2020, 04:19:45 AM
Let's see re Biden:

Narcissist - nope
Thinks he's smarter than the experts - nope
Gafs - on par
Lies multiple times per day - nope
Lies to himself - nope
Con man - nope

He's way ahead of Trump by golly!

I look forward to Biden restoring the CDC & NIH budgets, and restoring a security council position concerning global pandemics.

And of course, undoing all the other stuff Trump has done.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on March 25, 2020, 04:56:58 AM
Biden in Awkward Exchanges with MSNBC’s Wallace: ‘It’s Probably Best I Don’t’ Keep Talking
PAM KEY24 Mar 2020

Tuesday on MSNBC’s “Deadline,” 2020 Democratic presidential candidate former Vice President Joe Biden had several awkward exchanges with host Nicolle Wallace while apologizing for his wording.

When asked how he would handle the coronavirus pandemic if he wins the election, Biden said, “Way back in January 17 I wrote a piece, maybe the 15th. I wrote a piece for “USA Today” saying that, you know, a pandemic is coming. We have to be better prepared. We should have been in a position, I called for a while ago. I would enforce, enforce the defense production act. I would be surging equipment and personnel. I would be moving in a direction where we had the United States military, which I call for several weeks ago building hospitals like finally happening in the National Guard helping in New York with, you know, at the Javits Center. We have this capacity. Most of all, I would be protecting our docs, nurses, and first responders because if we lose them, we are in real, real trouble. We should be making those masks, moving on those ventilators. We can do that. Why doesn’t he just act like a president?”

Biden apologized, “That’s a stupid way to say that but I really –”

Wallace who had begun her next question said, “Donald Trump was asked on —”

Biden apologized again, “Sorry.”

Wallace said, “Go ahead.”

Biden said, “No. No. Probably best I don’t.”

Wallace laughed as she said, “All right.”

Later in the interview, Wallace asked, “Mr. Vice President, what do you say about the reporting in The New York Times and it’s been reported at a local level for as long as this virus has been something that people have been anxious about, that’s discrimination against Asian Americans. Donald Trump, I think, tried to put something back in the toothpaste tube yesterday but saying he wouldn’t tolerate discrimination, but that was after weeks and weeks and weeks of calling coronavirus the Chinese virus.”

Biden said, “Well, I — no matter how he got there, I’m glad he finally got there. It was long overdue to say he won’t put up the xenophobia. Strange coming from him, but I’m happy he did it. Happy, he did it. The irony is you may recall in the beginning when this started there were folks like me and others calling for him to make sure that he contacts Xi, he get engaged and send people to — our experts to China to find out at the source what was happening. There was a federal employee that worked for the president in China to watch this and either got fired or quit. Not sure how it happened. At the time, he was out there, praising how things were going. China was doing all these wonderful things and everything was going on, but we didn’t know what was happening precisely. Now all of a sudden, he is being tough on China. He is making sure — now he is being soft on his xenophobia in the past so I just — I just can’t figure the guy. I don’t know. It’s like watching a yo-yo. ”

As Biden raised his hand up and down as he said, “I shouldn’t have said it that way.”

Wallace said, “It feels that way. I want to — that’s okay.”

Follow Pam Key on Twitter @pamkeyNEN
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: lorenzokb on April 08, 2020, 04:03:49 AM
Does any body think Biden will do as good as McGovern in his presidential bid?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on April 08, 2020, 04:35:05 AM
I hope he does far better.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 08, 2020, 12:52:04 PM
  McGovern won 1 State (his home state) and since he was a Democrat, he of course won The District Of Columbia, so 3 Electoral Votes for DC, and whatever for his home state...He lost every other State, for a landslide Nixon victory, I believe.

  Expect Biden to win his home State, Delaware, and DC (see above as to why).
So he will at least match McGovern in that regard...

  Shall we begin a Pool of the 538 Electoral College distribution for 2020?

I hope he does far better.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: purpleshoes on April 08, 2020, 02:16:17 PM
  McGovern won 1 State (his home state) and since he was a Democrat, he of course won The District Of Columbia, so 3 Electoral Votes for DC, and whatever for his home state...He lost every other State, for a landslide Nixon victory, I believe.

  Expect Biden to win his home State, Delaware, and DC (see above as to why).
So he will at least match McGovern in that regard...

  Shall we begin a Pool of the 538 Electoral College distribution for 2020?


The fact is that McGovern did NOT win his home state (South Dakota) but claimed 14 electoral votes from the state of Massachusetts and 3 from District of Columbia for a total of 17. Nixon had 520. See this map (https://www.270towin.com/1972_Election/).

If Biden wins only Delaware and DC, he will have a total of 6 electoral votes.

~Don't blame me, I voted for McGovern~ (bumper sticker circa 1974) Personally, I think there were more bumper stickers than actual votes for McGovern.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 08, 2020, 02:44:16 PM
  Thank you, for the correction about which State McGovern won. I guess I thought the one state "must be" his home State.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: lorenzokb on April 14, 2020, 08:20:18 AM
I hope he does far better.

You realize Biden is DNC's fatted calf this time around.  They had much better candidates than either Biden or Sanders but didn't want to waste them against Trump...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on April 20, 2020, 01:43:06 AM
https://nypost.com/2020/04/18/how-the-obamas-could-easily-win-8-more-years-in-the-white-house/ 
How the Obamas could easily
 win eight more years in
 the White House

By Michael A. WalshApril 18, 2020 | 11:09am | Updated

As the president of the United States shelters in place with the White House press corps, and Joe Biden gibbers senselessly into the GoPro camera in his Delaware basement, this fall’s national election has been thrown into a cocked tricorn by the coronavirus. Many of Donald Trump’s retail-politicking strengths — the huge rallies, his command of crowds — have been neutralized, and while he still has control of the narrative from his bully pulpit in the West Wing, the national media remains dead set against him, and puts the worst possible spin on every word he speaks.

Meanwhile, Biden and his wandering hands are safely confined to quarters instead of out on the campaign trail, which shields the Democrats from more possible fallout over not only his past behavior but his full-throated endorsement of Communist China throughout his career. The donkey party is thus free to market the cardboard-cutout version of its candidate, having finally accomplished their mission of running a generic Democrat against Orange Man Bad, without ever having to expose him to the general public.

No wonder there’s talk on the Left of canceling the conventions and running an all-mail election. The further away the country stays from reopening, the better their chances.

Still, as 2016 demonstrated, even when the fix is in, you never know. What the Democrats need in order to be sure of beating Trump is the perfect vice presidential candidate, one who will not only balance the ticket, push progressive causes, and check all the social-justice boxes but who will turn out the African-American vote in droves without Biden’s having to say a word or lift a finger.

Biden’s already on record as saying he’ll choose a woman. But none of the defeated female candidates for the nomination, including Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar, excited much interest from the Democratic base during the primaries, and while there’s a small Stacey Abrams boomlet currently going on, her record as the defeated candidate for Georgia governor doesn’t inspire much confidence — even if, in her own mind, she still thinks she won.

Enlarge ImageAdding Michelle Obama to Biden's presidential bid will put the Obamas back into the national fold.
Adding Michelle Obama to Biden’s presidential bid would be an unstoppable ticket, and potentially give the Obamas eight more years in the White House.

So the choice is clear: Michelle Obama. Never mind that she has even less political experience than Hillary Clinton did when she ran for the White House, and has long said she disdains public office.

Currently, Michelle is in talks to possibly endorse Biden via a video and is said to be lending her name to a campaign fundraiser as early as next week, according to The Hill. “If she engages, God help Donald Trump, because she’s tough as nails and enormously popular,” former Democratic Party chairman of South Carolina Dick Harpootlian told the outlet. With her husband finally having endorsed Biden last week, the stage is now set.

Here’s how it would work:

In the next month or so, Biden would announce Michelle Obama as his running mate. With a little reverse engineering of the Obama-Biden bumper stickers of 2008 and 2012, they’re good to go.

Michelle would immediately attract the undying worship of the national press corps. With the country still in lockdown, she can wave to Andrea Mitchell & Co. from the front door of her residences in Washington, DC ($8.1 million purchase price), Martha’s Vineyard ($11.75 million) or Chicago ($1.65 million).

Barack Obama, who manfully supports his wife in all her endeavors, would joke about being the First Husband and cite his familiarity with the White House as a qualification.

Nov. 3: With the black vote and the Bernie Sanders wing of the party solidly behind them, the Biden-Obama(s) team would defeat Trump in both the popular vote and the Electoral College, flipping Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Arizona and North Carolina and winning both houses of Congress.

January 20, 2021: Joe Biden is inaugurated as the 46th president of the United States.

January 21: On live television, Joe and Dr. Jill Biden tearfully announce that the 78-year-old president is “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office,” and that under the 25th Amendment, he’s resigning. Michelle Obama is now president of the United States and will not only fill out Biden’s term but will retain her eligibility to run again in her own right in 2024 when she will have turned 60.

January 22: President Obama announces her choice for vice president …

However unlikely, it’s the smart play. How could the Republicans ever counter it?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on April 22, 2020, 04:06:41 PM
I did see on the news Monday night where people are now talking about a Biden-Michelle Obama ticket. Will be interesting at the Democratic National Convention to see how this combination will play out.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: lorenzokb on April 29, 2020, 09:53:20 PM
I did see on the news Monday night where people are now talking about a Biden-Michelle Obama ticket. Will be interesting at the Democratic National Convention to see how this combination will play out.

Nope.  DNC won't want to waste Michelle either against an unbeatable Trump.  I hate the guy but he is exactly what this country needed when he got elected and that will sustain him during this election cycle as well.  And his record to date helping all Americans will spill over to getting a majority in both houses of Congress again.  With Nancy Patricia D'Alesandro Pelosi out of the race in California, Democrats really have no leader to speak of.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on April 30, 2020, 12:04:27 AM
And how much Clorox have you been drinking??
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on April 30, 2020, 02:11:50 AM
And how much Clorox have you been drinking??


Not enough apparently.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on April 30, 2020, 02:56:36 AM
Sorry, but Donald Trump is never what the country needed.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 01, 2020, 01:08:50 AM
Biden's accuser says mother called into 'Larry King Live' in 1993 for advice after alleged sexual assault

  Joe Biden, Senator Biden at the time, actually "grabbed her by the pussy, sticking two fingers inside" his staff member in 1995, and has confirming witnesses, at least one of whom is a JoE supporter.

  Should Joe Biden "release" his Senate Papers to the public? If not, why not?
Currently his Senate Papers are withheld from public view, at a Delaware Univ.

  Will Democrats hire a law firm to defend the wannabe Nominee? Will Democrats "Believe The Women" when one of their own is the perpetrator? 

  How long will KB Members IGNORE Biden's sexual behavior? When will reporters GRILL the former VP on this topic publicly, 60 Minutes Style, with the intent to get to the full truth? Grill him, like a Judiciary Committee grilling, like they did with Blasey Ford, with far less evidence, and NO accuser!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/25/politics/tara-reade-mom-larry-king/index.html
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on May 01, 2020, 03:10:47 AM

I'm disgusted by this and I believe there is something there.

And I think it's wrong that it's not being discussed on the news shows.   Judge Cavanaugh was all the news talked about during his confirmation hearings.  And I whole heartedly believe that was a slam job.  Biden hasn't received 1% of airtime that Cavanaugh did.   

Trump vs Biden, which assaulter do we want more.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 01, 2020, 07:54:33 AM
  One talked about grabbing, in a secretly recorded private conversation, locker room talk style... SEEMS good OLE JoE sank two of his fingers into his Staffer, then had her transferred from the job she trained for in his Senate Office, when she avoided contact with him.

  The woman is now 58 I believe, and JoE is what, 79? So 20 odd years his Staffer's senior, and a sitting U.S. Senator who the staffer adored for his reputation, and did not wish to cause him trouble, was too shy to make a report, just lost her job, started over, and NOW is brave enough to tell the truth... and risk being savaged by the likes of those who found no issue with trashing the reputation of Justice Kavanaugh... still going after him to this day, with NOTHING, NOT ONE ACTUAL WITNESS, SUPPOSED WITNESSES SAID THEY HAD NO IDEA WHY THEY WERE ON THE LISTS.

  Nancy Pelosi... why is she even being asked... she has no experience with the Senate... what does Chuckie say? And why is he not being asked, shouted at in public, demanded to have answers, along with every Democrat, demanded to take a hard position about a Senator jamming his fingers inside any woman...

  Biden has a reputation, along with the crew of Ted Kennedy, and many more of his ILK... he is long overdue for a grilling, to give PROOF...
  When Barack Obama VETTED Biden for VP, just how deep did he dig? Or has Barack Obama covered for JoE all these years, needed a clown lighting rod who could bring PA with him in 2008?

  There is time for a FBI investigation... I am sure Attorney General Barr could find some experienced and skilled, and neutral of course agents to tear into JoE, for his entire career... including his first wife's death, all the family money, any offshore accounts... lots to be explored with JoE...


I'm disgusted by this and I believe there is something there.

And I think it's wrong that it's not being discussed on the news shows.   Judge Cavanaugh was all the news talked about during his confirmation hearings.  And I whole heartedly believe that was a slam job.  Biden hasn't received 1% of airtime that Cavanaugh did.   

Trump vs Biden, which assaulter do we want more.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 01, 2020, 05:06:40 PM

I'm disgusted by this and I believe there is something there.

And I think it's wrong that it's not being discussed on the news shows.   Judge Cavanaugh was all the news talked about during his confirmation hearings.  And I whole heartedly believe that was a slam job.  Biden hasn't received 1% of airtime that Cavanaugh did.   

Trump vs Biden, which assaulter do we want more.


This isn't a criticism of what you wrote, but you have to keep in mind that there's an incomparable difference between the two sets of incidents/allegations. And that's notwithstanding the fact that #WhatAboutism is almost always illegitimate.

By this point, I've seen Kavanaugh-Biden comparisons dozens and dozens of times, and they're basically meaningless, chiefly because there’s a huge difference between Joe Biden’s and Brett Kavanaugh’s presence and prominence on the political scene — and in the news.

When President Trump nominated Brett Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court in July 2018, Kavanaugh was almost completely unknown to the American public. The allegations against Kavanaugh were made during the course of investigations in to his suitability to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court. The allegations — believe them or not, deem them legitimate or not — were, in context, objectively worthy of further investigation. After all, that was the Senate Judiciary Committee’s main job, to find out more about an essentially unknown person in determining his worthiness to serve on the Supreme Court.

Joe Biden, on the other hand, has occupied a prominent place on the American political scene for more decades. He was first elected to the U.S. Senate in 1973 — close to 50 years ago — and he rose to national attention in 1987 — more than 30 years ago — when he announced his candidacy for president in June 1987. While he quickly gained front-runner status, a series of controversies led him to abandon his campaign. About 20 years later, in August 2008, Biden was named Obama’s running-mate, and he would serve as vice president for eight years. On other words, Joe Biden was one of the most well-known political figures in the nation for decades, and “the media” has had more than three decades to examine Biden’s record.

Of course, ordinary citizens tend to be influenced by a long list of viewpoints in deciding whether or not to believe the allegations. And I won't pretend that I'm personally immune to that. I was inclined to believe the allegations against Kavanaugh, not only because he's a conservative and a Trump appointee, but chiefly because the accusation had the ring of truth to them. I don't know that the incident actually happened, but given the revelations of thousands and thousands of parallel revelations of frat boy shenanigans leading to sexual assault, the accusations seemed legitimate.

But the important point is this: Whether or not I believe the accusations against Kavanaugh is utterly beside the point. I'm not a U.S. Senator, nor do I sit on the Senate Judiciary Committee. My thoughts, my opinions, have zero bearing. They're just one opinion among millions.

The accusations against Biden are markedly different. In this case, my opinion, and the opinions of tens of millions of other Americans, are directly germane. Joe Biden is running for president, and when American voters enter the booths in early November (God willing), these allegations will directly affect their choices. About 135 million Americans voted in the 2016 presidential election, and all things being equal, a comparable number will vote this November. While a healthy percentage of them will vote along party lines, there are likely at least 30 million people who are "undecided," and for whom these accusations will play a role in their decision-making process.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on May 01, 2020, 05:37:57 PM
While I certainly hope the allegation against Joe Biden has no basis in fact, the undisputed truth is that 17 women have already accused Donald Trump of sexual assault. It’s apples and oranges. Trump has no business in the White House. And we must remove him at all cost. I would vote for the Devil before I would vote to re-elect Donald Trump. I really don’t think there’s any difference at this point, except the Devil would likely do a better job.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on May 01, 2020, 05:40:46 PM
I’m unclear why Kavanaugh comes up as a comparison in the media.  If we’re going to engage in Whataboutism, how about the two people vying for the job of POTUS?

While it seems Biden has been a bit touchy feely in the past and made women uncomfortable, unfortunately that’s a generational thing that he’s acknowledged and has (at least attempted to) addressed.  Bush the elder was known for patting girls on butt if they had the misfortune to be standing within reach.

I didn’t read Biden’s statement on the allegation thoroughly, but I did see where he asked that the complaint (if it exists) be found in the National Archives and otherwise be investigated.  I obviously don’t know what happened or who to believe for this single instance of an #metoo episode.  I can’t say that about the dozens of allegations against Trump that include rape, and him caught on tape bragging about repeatedly doing what Biden stands accused of.  I certainly do believe the numerous women who have come forward accusing Trump of assault (the sheer number is a clear pattern) and do not believe Trump’s denials (as they stagger credibility).

So anyone thinking I won’t vote for Biden (and his woman running mate) because of this single allegation needs to put things in perspective.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on May 01, 2020, 07:12:27 PM
I’m unclear why Kavanaugh comes up as a comparison in the media.  If we’re going to engage in Whataboutism, how about the two people vying for the job of POTUS?


Because it was a Democratic attack on Trumps nomination.   I was pointing out the hypocrisy in the press.    It was wrong how much press that got in comparison to the press treatment Biden is getting.  Two ends of the spectrum.


I hate the way politics are today.  If you're Republican you hate everything Dem's do. If you're Democratic, you hate everything Repubs do.  Trump and he are both DOGS (as my father calls them), Cavanaugh wasn't.

I'm pro abortion.  My body, my choice.
I'm pro show your ID to vote.
I'm against illegal aliens.  Come legally.
I'm pro gun.
I'm pro popular vote.
I'm pro gay marriage.
I'm anti death penalty.

 Every one here will have an issue with at least 3 of my stances.  I'm the most middle of the road person I know.   And it's why I don't post in politics.

Every one, and I'm not speaking of people here I mean everyone in our country, needs to stop seeing things in either Black or White (or Red or Blue).

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on May 01, 2020, 07:22:48 PM
I’m unclear why Kavanaugh comes up as a comparison in the media.  If we’re going to engage in Whataboutism, how about the two people vying for the job of POTUS?


Because it was a Democratic attack on Trumps nomination.   I was pointing out the hypocrisy in the press.    It was wrong how much press that got in comparison to the press treatment Biden is getting.  Two ends of the spectrum.


I hate the way politics are today.  If you're Republican you hate everything Dem's do. If you're Democratic, you hate everything Repubs do.  Trump and he are both DOGS (as my father calls them), Cavanaugh wasn't.

I'm pro abortion.  My body, my choice.
I'm pro show your ID to vote.
I'm against illegal aliens.  Come legally.
I'm pro gun.
I'm pro popular vote.
I'm pro gay marriage.
I'm anti death penalty.

 Every one here will have an issue with at least 3 of my stances.  I'm the most middle of the road person I know.   And it's why I don't post in politics.

Every one, and I'm not speaking of people here I mean everyone in our country, needs to stop seeing things in either Black or White (or Red or Blue).



I’d say my only issue with your positions Jules is the ID laws pushed by the GOP only are targeted to suppress minority voting and have zero to do with voter fraud.  Figure out a way to make this a nonpartisan and fully functional way to verify identity during voting, and I’m all in.

I’d probably also refer to my position as ‘pro choice’.

Otherwise, I’m in complete agreement.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on May 01, 2020, 08:04:25 PM
Most of the major news corporations tend to lean liberal. Then you have Fox, which is staunch conservative. I read two major newspapers a day, one liberal and one conservative. Very seldom will I find the both papers with the same story. That is a shame. Joe Biden's latest accusation against him has been widely reported in the conservative newspaper but gets scant mention in the liberal press. That is why it is so important to read both the liberal perspective and the conservative perspective in order to find some middle ground, or truth.  And forget the talking heads from both sides on their respective news shows!
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on May 01, 2020, 08:36:19 PM

I’d probably also refer to my position as ‘pro choice’.


Ummm, yeah, what Jed said.
 
I'm not Pro abortion.
I'm pro choice.   

Geez, that sounded bad.


Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 01, 2020, 08:53:28 PM

I’m unclear why Kavanaugh comes up as a comparison in the media.  If we’re going to engage in Whataboutism, how about the two people vying for the job of POTUS?


The Kavanaugh-Biden comparison has not come up in the mainstream media. It has come up in partisan media, and on social media. And the problem, of course, is that too many Americans today cannot distinguish between the two.

That's one of the main reasons why I loathe #WhatAboutism. In almost every instance, the comparisons are per se illegitimate.



Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 01, 2020, 09:06:46 PM

Because it was a Democratic attack on Trumps nomination.   I was pointing out the hypocrisy in the press.    It was wrong how much press that got in comparison to the press treatment Biden is getting.  Two ends of the spectrum.


I hate the way politics are today.  If you're Republican you hate everything Dem's do. If you're Democratic, you hate everything Repubs do.  Trump and he are both DOGS (as my father calls them), Cavanaugh wasn't.

I'm pro abortion.  My body, my choice.
I'm pro show your ID to vote.
I'm against illegal aliens.  Come legally.
I'm pro gun.
I'm pro popular vote.
I'm pro gay marriage.
I'm anti death penalty.

 Every one here will have an issue with at least 3 of my stances.  I'm the most middle of the road person I know.   And it's why I don't post in politics.

Every one, and I'm not speaking of people here I mean everyone in our country, needs to stop seeing things in either Black or White (or Red or Blue).


I wouldn't call you "middle of road" at all. I'd call you someone who forms personal positions on an issue-by-issue basis. You're spot on when you note how many partisans, on either side of the aisle, buy a package of views, and asserts allegiance to them, regardless of what they personally believe (or, what's worse, without thinking about the issues before forming an opinion). So, props for that.

Since you asked, I DO disagree with you on three issues. But that's neither here nor there. We're two separate people, and the fact that we -- or anyone else -- disagree on some issues is basically irrelevant. Of course two people might have different or opposing views on certain issues. That's the norm, not the exception.

For the record, the clear majority of illegal aliens did enter the country legally. Close to 60% entered the country legally, and with the proper documentation, and simply overstayed their visas. And being "pro gun" doesn't really mean anything. For example, I believe that people who can demonstrate that they can legally purchase, keep, and use guns should be allowed by law to do so. But I also support strict gun control legislation, that allows this group to keep their guns, and keeps all others from owning or having them. Does that make me pro-gun or anti-gun?




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on May 01, 2020, 09:20:41 PM
After the socially liberal and progressive 60’s and 70’s, the 1% got together and realized that for only a few billion dollars they could buy the US government.  Ronald Reagan was their Trojan Horse.  Who could hate the gipper?

It succeeded beyond their wildest expectations, and each cycle, they have grown more bold. Other than euphemistic bill names, like the CARES Act, they don’t even pretend to give a shit anymore.  How does such a relatively small minority wield so much power?

1.  Money. Citizens United.  Giving money to politicians is now equatable to free speech.

2.  Fear.  They are going to take your weapons.  Your daughter will marry a black man.  Gays will recruit your children.

3.  Deflection.  The us vs. them.  Minorities, immigrants, gays, women... they’re all taking your jobs, your security, your taxes.  Never mind that ten families hold half the wealth in this nation, the *real* problem is single moms getting AFDC.

4.  Propaganda.  Wrap it up in a flag, and sell it on Fox News.  It is unpatriotic to protest, to question the government, to want equal treatment and opportunity for all.  If you don’t like it, go back where you came from!

5.  Stupidity.  I’m sure the alt-right dudes who get paid to post here all have mothers.  I assume they are capable of charity and empathy.  But they are batting for a team that despises them, that will never let them have a seat at the table, or membership in their clubs, or god forbid, date their daughter.  I’m a former GOP operative.  My ex wife was political affairs coordinator for a Republican US Senator.  I’ve sat at more $1,000/plate fundraisers than I care to count.  They are laughing themselves silly at you.  You.  The sad people who go out and vote against your interests in every single fucking election, because some website or blonde with a bad boob job makes you feel like you have the “inside information.”  Well, you don’t.

The real reason the right hates education is that stupid people are easier to fool, easier to lead.  They don’t ask the tough questions.  With each level of education, high school, college, masters, doctorate, the percent of people who identify as liberal or progressive increases.  The right has been dismantling public education for thirty years, attacking institutions of higher learning, and creating their own institutions where creationism, climate denial, and prayer as a solution are taught.  We will all pay the price.  But who gives a shit really?  Grandparents should die from COVID-19 before the economy is hampered.  Our grandchildren should be burdened with a catastrophic national debt, before corporations and the wealthy are required to pay a fair tax burden.

“ Every nation gets the government it deserves.” — Joseph de Maistre
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 01, 2020, 09:44:24 PM
I belive every accuser has the right to be heard and the alleged incident investigated.  I do not think every alleged incident should be automatically belived. I've known a few people to lie about such things for various reasons to believe automatically anyone's accounts.  They need to be investigated.

My biggest gripe about Kavenaugh's confirmation is that the charges were not thouroghly investigated, seemed belivable, and Kavenaugh himself acted like an angry drunk when asked questions by the Judiciary Committee, raging about liking beer and the far-left being out to get him. (Whenever I hear the accusation "far-left" applied to anyone in our government it destroys the accuser's credibility IMO.)

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 02, 2020, 04:04:21 AM
Tara Reade Is Joe Biden’s
Eighth Accuser


JOHN NOLTE1 May 2020

Tara Reade is Joe Biden’s eighth accuser, not his first, not his only. The fake news media want you to believe Reade is Biden’s only accuser, and that’s because there is no lie the media will not tell to protect the presumptive Democrat nominee.

But seven other women — seven! — none of them Republicans, have accused Joe Biden of everything from sexual assault to unwanted kissing to inappropriate touching.

Tara Reade
Reade claims Biden sexually assaulted in a hallway while she was working for him in 1993. According to Reade, Biden pinned her against a wall, shoved his hands up her skirt, and his fingers into her vagina. Reade has no fewer than five contemporaneous witnesses who say Reade told them about the assault at or near the time it happened. There is also video of Reade’s anguished mother calling into a 1993 edition of CNN’s Larry King Live desperately seeking advice for her daughter’s problems with a “prominent senator. ”

Biden denies the allegation but is refusing to open his archives at the University of Delaware where a copy of Reade’s sexual harassment complaint might be filed.

Tara Reade is a lifelong Democrat.

Lucy Flores
Last year, Flores, a former Nevada Assemblywoman, accused Biden touching and kissing her:

I felt two hands on my shoulders. I froze. “Why is the vice-president of the United States touching me?” I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head.

Flores is a Democrat.

Amy Lappos
Lappos claims Biden pawed at her during a 2009 fundraiser:

It wasn’t sexual, but he did grab me by the head. He put his hand around my neck and pulled me in to rub noses with me. When he was pulling me in, I thought he was going to kiss me on the mouth.

Lappos is a Democrat.

Vail Kohnert-Yount
“Vail Kohnert-Yount alleged that when she was a White House intern in the spring of 2013, Biden ‘put his hand on the back of [her] head and pressed his forehead to [her] forehead’ when he introduced himself, and that he called her a ‘pretty girl,’” reports The Cut.

Kohnert-Younh was interning at the Obama White House at the time.

Caitlyn Caruso
Former college student and sexual assault survivor Caitlyn Caruso says Biden placed his hand on her thigh for an uncomfortable amount of time.

Incredibly, this happened during a 2016 event on sexual assault.
 
This might seem like a small thing, but who puts their hand on the thigh of a woman who is not his significant other?

D.J. Hill
Hill says Biden got so handsy with her, her husband was forced to intervene:

Writer D. J. Hill told the Times that Biden moved his hand from Caruso’s shoulder down her lower back, which made her uncomfortable at an event, causing her husband to intervene.

Hill told her story to the far-left New York Times last year.

Sofie Karasek
The Cut:

In 2016, Sofie Karasek was photographed holding hands and touching foreheads with Biden at the Oscars, where she stood alongside 50 other sexual-assault survivors during Lady Gaga’s performance. It was a moment that soon went viral, and was described then by the Post as “powerful.” But in the Post’s report published this week, Karasek says she believes that Biden violated her personal space.

Karasek is also a sexual assault survivor.

Ally Coll
All Coll says she was made uncomfortable by Biden’s unwanted touching at a 2008 reception. He squeezed her shoulders and complimented her smile for an amount of time that made her uncomfortable.



You can also add a number of women and children who might have accused Biden of inappropriate behavior, but we still have countless videos and photographs of Biden touching them in ways that are wildly inappropriate and make the recipients noticeably uncomfortable.

Obviously, not all of these allegations rise to the level of assault. But these are not Republicans coming forward to accuse Biden. These are Democrats and women we can assume are at least left-leaning.

What one can glean from these eight allegations and all those videos is that even in full view of the public, at best, Biden has an appalling sense of entitlement when it comes to touching, caressing, and even kissing women.

And if this is how Biden behaves in public, one can only imagine what goes on when the Creep Veep believes no one is looking.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 02, 2020, 09:01:08 AM
‘Westworld’ Star Evan Rachel Wood Backs Rose
McGowan’s Stand Against Democrats


DAVID NG1 May 2020

Westworld actress Evan Rachel Wood is the latest star to break ranks with Hollywood’s left-wing elite by backing fellow actress Rose McGowan’s recent stand against Democrats and the media in the wake of Tara Reade’s sexual assault allegation against Joe Biden.

Evan Rachel Wood tweeted her support of Rose McGowan, writing “I have to say this is… spot on,” in response to McGowan’s recent statement describing her disillusionment with the left-wing establishment, calling them a “cult.”

McGowan wrote in a tweet on Thursday that she has experienced a political wake-up call in light of Reade’s accusations against Biden and the mainstream media’s efforts to downplay them.

“Republicans have always been painted as the bad guys, and I’ve always seen them more as a cult, but now I realize so are democrats and the media,” she wrote.

In a separate statement on Saturday, McGowan called out the mainstream media, women’s groups, LGBTQ news outlets, Oprah Winfrey, and even feminists like Gloria Steinem for their continued backing of Biden’s campaign.

“Fuck you to the silent media, fuck you to women’s groups, Gloria Steinem, & fucking take ass Oprah, fuck you,” she wrote. “All of you crow about your bravery yet you do nothing.” She also accused the New York Times of sitting on its Tara Reade investigation until Biden became the presumptive Democrat nominee.

“Those bunch of cunts,” McGowan wrote. “I hate cowards. I hate liars, and I really hate rapists.”

Like McGowan, Wood has previously stated that she is the victim of sexual assault, writing in a 2016 tweet that she has been raped twice. “Yes. I have been raped,” she wrote. “By a significant other while we were together. And on a separate occasion, by the owner of a bar.”

Wood also testified before members of Congress in 2018 about her experiences.

“Even though these experiences happened a decade ago, I still struggle with the aftermath,” she said. “My relationship suffers, my partners suffer, my mental and physical health suffer. Seven years after my rapes — plural — I was diagnosed with long-term PTSD, which I had been living with all that time without knowledge about my condition. I simply thought I was going crazy.”

Tara Reade has alleged that Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993 when she was working as a Senate staffer, claiming that Biden used his fingers to penetrate her against her will.

Biden broke his long silence on the allegations on Friday, saying on MSNBC that “it never, never happened.”

The Democrat candidate has garnered widespread support in Hollywood from celebrities and executives. But in recent days, a few major names have begun cautiously expressing their reservations about the presumptive nominee.

Sarah Silverman recently called out Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) for her support of Biden, while actress Susan Sarandon has retweeted articles that back Reade’s accusations.

Sarandon has also praised a Democratic challenger to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), after Pelosi officially endorsed Biden.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on May 02, 2020, 02:50:21 PM
So trumper says to Biden, he says, "I guess I'm sticking up for him... go out and fight it."


Awe.... who would have thought that sexual assaults would bring the two parties together  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 02, 2020, 05:40:08 PM

I believe every accuser has the right to be heard and the alleged incident investigated.  I do not think every alleged incident should be automatically believed. I've known a few people to lie about such things for various reasons to believe automatically anyone's accounts.  They need to be investigated.

My biggest gripe about Kavanaugh's confirmation is that the charges were not thouoghly investigated, seemed believable, and Kavanaugh himself acted like an angry drunk when asked questions by the Judiciary Committee, raging about liking beer and the far-left being out to get him. (Whenever I hear the accusation "far-left" applied to anyone in our government it destroys the accuser's credibility IMO.)


Those are all great points, and I agree with you across the board.

I think your point about how accusations/allegations should be taken seriously, but not necessarily "believed," is especially germane.

As the Right is now fully engaged in #WhatAboutism, clamoring and complaining about how Biden is treated with kid gloves while Kavanaugh was subjected to a "high-tech lynching," they seem to miss a very important point: Brett Kavanaugh was confirmed by the Senate, and he currently sits on the Supreme Court.






Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on May 02, 2020, 05:41:57 PM
After the socially liberal and progressive 60’s and 70’s, the 1% got together and realized that for only a few billion dollars they could buy the US government.  Ronald Reagan was their Trojan Horse.  Who could hate the gipper?

It succeeded beyond their wildest expectations, and each cycle, they have grown more bold. Other than euphemistic bill names, like the CARES Act, they don’t even pretend to give a shit anymore.  How does such a relatively small minority wield so much power?

1.  Money. Citizens United.  Giving money to politicians is now equatable to free speech.

2.  Fear.  They are going to take your weapons.  Your daughter will marry a black man.  Gays will recruit your children.

3.  Deflection.  The us vs. them.  Minorities, immigrants, gays, women... they’re all taking your jobs, your security, your taxes.  Never mind that ten families hold half the wealth in this nation, the *real* problem is single moms getting AFDC.

4.  Propaganda.  Wrap it up in a flag, and sell it on Fox News.  It is unpatriotic to protest, to question the government, to want equal treatment and opportunity for all.  If you don’t like it, go back where you came from!

5.  Stupidity.  I’m sure the alt-right dudes who get paid to post here all have mothers.  I assume they are capable of charity and empathy.  But they are batting for a team that despises them, that will never let them have a seat at the table, or membership in their clubs, or god forbid, date their daughter.  I’m a former GOP operative.  My ex wife was political affairs coordinator for a Republican US Senator.  I’ve sat at more $1,000/plate fundraisers than I care to count.  They are laughing themselves silly at you.  You.  The sad people who go out and vote against your interests in every single fucking election, because some website or blonde with a bad boob job makes you feel like you have the “inside information.”  Well, you don’t.

The real reason the right hates education is that stupid people are easier to fool, easier to lead.  They don’t ask the tough questions.  With each level of education, high school, college, masters, doctorate, the percent of people who identify as liberal or progressive increases.  The right has been dismantling public education for thirty years, attacking institutions of higher learning, and creating their own institutions where creationism, climate denial, and prayer as a solution are taught.  We will all pay the price.  But who gives a shit really?  Grandparents should die from COVID-19 before the economy is hampered.  Our grandchildren should be burdened with a catastrophic national debt, before corporations and the wealthy are required to pay a fair tax burden.

“ Every nation gets the government it deserves.” — Joseph de Maistre


On the money, except I’d have emphasized how the 1% (or more like the 0.1%) hornswoggled the religious people.  That succeeded well beyond their wildest expectations.  And at first that was just about making all the polite noises about their causes, like opposing choice but never really doing anything.  However, then they went all in.  I mean what do they care, if you’re rich, an unwanted pregnancy has monetary solutions.  And now the majority of the GOP is drinking the Koolaid with equal enthusiasm to their constituents, all the while the wealthy make them dance to their tune like puppets.

Meanwhile Bubba will keep pulling the GOP lever, cluelessly making his life worse, not better.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 02, 2020, 05:44:19 PM

‘Westworld’ Star Evan Rachel Wood Backs Rose
McGowan’s Stand Against Democrats



This sounds exactly like what Seveninchblues was taking about here:

http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=70979.msg573631#msg573631


I guess you believe that celebrities DO need our love...and out attention...




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on May 02, 2020, 06:51:37 PM
Does anyone really believe what actors espouse? Or care?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 02, 2020, 07:05:45 PM
It is true Joe is a touchy-feely kind of person. Personally I like huggers. It's  a shame that some people have come to think of this kind of behavior as akin to sexual assault.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on May 02, 2020, 07:09:24 PM
(https://thefappening.pro/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Evan-Rachel-Wood-Nude-TheFappening.Pro-8.jpg)

Evan Rachel Wood can make me espouse anytime.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 02, 2020, 07:10:53 PM

Does anyone really believe what actors espouse? Or care?


Yes, that was my point...




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 02, 2020, 07:33:51 PM

It is true Joe is a touchy-feely kind of person. Personally I like huggers. It's  a shame that some people have come to think of this kind of behavior as akin to sexual assault.


Part of "the lesson" of the #MeToo is that some words or actions, even if they're not necessarily unacceptable, should still be avoided if they make the other person uncomfortable. There likely isn't anything wrong with Biden's being "touchy-feely," but if by doing so he makes a woman uncomfortable, he shouldn't do it.

You're right, that's not sexual assault. But Tara Reade's most recent allegations are of over sexual assault, and are not the result of being "touch-feely." Yes, their allegations or accusations, but they shouldn't be gainsaid.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 02, 2020, 08:19:29 PM
I agree, the lesson learned is to ask permission first before hugs and stuff. But most of what Biden did is before this became common wisdom.

And it is Bidens history of being merely touchy-feely, and not gropy-feely, that makes  Tara Reade's account questionable.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 02, 2020, 10:42:53 PM
  Where is the line, as you say... jamming 3 fingers into a young Staffer may be OVER the line, but kissing and breathing into her ear, and jamming two fingers into his young, adoring, Staffer... the one who helps train his Senate interns... is allowed, and besides, she knew what the job entailed, right?

  One finger jammed inside was "just fiddling", everyone does it... four fingers is a bit too much, even Doctor Jill would agree, am sure... Why, even Senator Chris Dodd would even hesitate to give a full reference, if there were pics...

It is true Joe is a touchy-feely kind of person. Personally I like huggers. It's  a shame that some people have come to think of this kind of behavior as akin to sexual assault.


Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 02, 2020, 11:28:35 PM
Sorry Joan, I'm doubtful what you are talking about happened.  It does not match his prior behavior.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 02, 2020, 11:59:59 PM
Understand you are 'over the moon' about Joe Biden becoming our President, and you have no concerns about his habits, and his mental state, today or ever.

You and the Democrat Media in it's entirety will insure he is not pestered by his past in any manner. Squandering, or allowing others to squander, the 'Stimulus' money following the Market Crash after JoE and Barack's election, when there were no 'shovel ready jobs' despite promises, will count in JoE's favor of course...

Along with getting a Status Of Forces Agreement w/Iraq, the task Biden was assigned by President Obama, to prevent the formation of ISIS/DASH, and the mass flooding of Europe, here as well, with Jihadi's, legal and illegal, JoE's past accomplishments will no doubt be fed to us all by revisionist media, online until November of this year, with little criticism other then the usual suspects.

So I expect you will get your wish and see a Cabinet staffed by DNC rosters as far back as anyone may imagine.  Bernie Supporters, screwed again, will just have to lump it, knuckle down, do the right thing, and vote in droves for the people who have ignored them during the Obama/Biden years, and who will be expected to ignore them in any Biden Administration.

May your dreams come true, Lois.

Sorry Joan, I'm doubtful what you are talking about happened.  It does not match his prior behavior.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 03, 2020, 04:55:48 AM
  Democrat Senate and House Staff should know not to wear a dress when interacting with their elected boss, but rather to fortify themselves against the penetration such elected officials may be prone to attempt.

  No one ever attempted to finger fuck Nancy Pelosi, or Diane Fienstein, in the Nations Capital hallways... those women know how to protect their dignity from the likes of Male Senators and Congressmen as can be proven by the lack of complaints such dignified Office Holders have filed.

  No touchy Gropey business with those properly dressed women, you betcha.
Tara Reade must have done something to make Senator Biden think she was fair game for some Gropey business... even she says Senator Biden, when he was rejected, she pulled his hand out of her knickers and closed her thighs in quick order, and Biden is quoted as saying, hey, I was told you liked me...

  Like Lois, young Senate Staffer Tara Reade did like the Senator, adored him in fact, and actually believed she was safe in the Capitol halls and offices near her boss... Lois could have told her, Senator Biden is Creepy, but he will draw the line at buzzing your hair, and breathing down your back, and neck or possibly pull your hand toward his pants sometimes.. but he's not beed caught groping women, grabbing them by the pussy, so to speak, by anyone believed when they made such an accusation...

  Pay no attention to those other 8 or 9 women we know about, reporters know about, stories have been put into print about over the years... of course most of those assaults happened long after he finger fucked young Tara Reade, and got away with it back in the early to mid '90s... those women met a more bold and experienced, and more Senior Senator, when they were groped, fingered, or worse...

  Same for the Secret Service Officers who guarded the Senator, then Vice President, when he walked naked in front of them, showing off his junk and made them smile, so he says... like you said, Lois, no one you believed ever complained, so it must not have happened... and even if it did, it would not be in the SECRET papers now being protected from review by Univ. of Delaware and by JoE Biden's refusal to make the papers public, fearing Political use by his opponents...

  I mean calling for a Senator to release such personal items would be like a call to a sitting President to release his Tax Returns, and other personal docs.
No Democrat or politician would even think such a demand was in bounds...

I agree, the lesson learned is to ask permission first before hugs and stuff. But most of what Biden did is before this became common wisdom.

And it is Bidens history of being merely touchy-feely, and not gropy-feely, that makes  Tara Reade's account questionable.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 03, 2020, 09:38:07 AM
Biden has been in the public eye for many, many years, and sexual assault simply seems to be out of character. 

However, I still think this allegation needs to be investigated thouroughly.

Maybe you should compare Biden to what we know about Trump, who has boasted about comitting suxual assault.  Or have you forgotten Mr. Grab 'em by the Pussy?

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: lorenzokb on May 04, 2020, 01:50:15 AM
Sorry, but Donald Trump is never what the country needed.

Well, not what the liberals needed anyway.  But to limit of the establishment GOP and DNC influence in government to start legislating for the good of the country instead of the interest groups, yes, he is exactly what this country needed.  And maybe, just maybe, his successes will return the house to the GOP and that will aide in our economic recovery as a nation after the vicious Chinese government virus attack on the USA and the world.

And maybe, just maybe, California will pay attention to what Nancy Pelosi is trying to do to small businesses in this country, including California, and put us out of our misery and elect someone, Democrat or Republican, interested in helping business and the economy recover. 
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 04, 2020, 09:29:36 PM

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor
If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.
by Michael J. Stern

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 04, 2020, 09:40:48 PM

Why I'm skeptical about Reade's sexual assault claim against Biden: Ex-prosecutor

If we must blindly accept every allegation of sexual assault, the #MeToo movement is just a hit squad. And it's too important to be no more than that.
by Michael J. Stern

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/29/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation-tara-reade-column/3046962001/


Thanks, this is an interesting, well-argued, and level-headed analysis of this situation.

Of course, no one who supports Trump or opposes Biden will change their minds after reading it.

But that's entirely different situation...




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 10, 2020, 11:11:41 PM

So now the sexual assault claim has been investigated, and we all have reason to doubt.

Tara Reade, a former Senate staffer for Joe Biden, has told a bunch of different stories about an alleged sexual assault involving Joe Biden. Back in 2019, the Associated Press interviewed Reade, and she said that roughly 27 years ago, Biden made her "uncomfortable," and the discomfort involved "inappropriate touching." She never once mentioned sexual assault until 2020, after Biden became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

Reade claims she filed a report with the Congressional personnel office, but only after Biden agreed to allow any documents to be released did Reade conveniently remember that she never actually accused him of sexual assault OR harassment in the report.

So what is the motive here?

Reade seems to have, or have had, a strange obsession with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

In an op-ed titled  “Why A Liberal Democrat Supports Vladimir Putin.” posted on Medium in 2018, she wrote, “President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity.”

Since the Biden assault story broke, she has insisted she was merely writing a novel about Putin, but the Medium post was pretty clearly a political screed. She claimed that she quit working for Biden because she loves “Russia with all my heart” and was sickened by “the reckless imperialism of America.”
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on May 11, 2020, 04:57:50 PM
Keeps getting interesting.   :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 12, 2020, 05:13:48 AM
Sounds like more Russian interference, like we were warned about.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Yorkman53 on May 12, 2020, 09:49:36 AM
I'm pretty certain all countries have the same issues surrounding politicians we do in the UK. Not everyone of course but certainly a large number. I think some of it is down to the power they all crave and some of them are just  bad.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on May 22, 2020, 11:12:26 PM
Biden Apologizes for Saying Black Voters ‘Ain’t Black’ if They’re Considering Trump

WASHINGTON –Former Vice President Joe Biden prompted an uproar Friday when he insisted that if any black voter doesn’t see him as the obvious pick over Donald Trump, “you ain’t black.”

Hours later, he apologized. By then, the Trump campaign had pounced, arguing that this was no ordinary gaffe but an outrageous instance of race-baiting and condescension from the likely nominee of a party that both relies on black voters and at times takes that support for granted.

Poor Joe. All he has to do to win this election is not say a thing yet he had to open up his mouth today and basically denigrate a part of the population that is increasingly fed up with the Democratic party thinking all Blacks are Democratic.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 23, 2020, 12:58:29 AM
"I should not have been such a wise guy" was the quote by Joe Biden. This said when Democrat Voters and Advocates, and his own Campaign objected to his taking of black voters, who listen to the Radio Station, as a stereotype, and for Granted..."

Biden Apologizes for Saying Black Voters ‘Ain’t Black’ if They’re Considering Trump

WASHINGTON –Former Vice President Joe Biden prompted an uproar Friday when he insisted that if any black voter doesn’t see him as the obvious pick over Donald Trump, “you ain’t black.”

Hours later, he apologized. By then, the Trump campaign had pounced, arguing that this was no ordinary gaffe but an outrageous instance of race-baiting and condescension from the likely nominee of a party that both relies on black voters and at times takes that support for granted.

Poor Joe. All he has to do to win this election is not say a thing yet he had to open up his mouth today and basically denigrate a part of the population that is increasingly fed up with the Democratic party thinking all Blacks are Democratic.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on May 23, 2020, 07:02:37 PM
What I meant when I said Biden does not need to say anything except some general talking points about health and the economy. His opponent and his loose tongue will help Biden.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 23, 2020, 07:46:44 PM
  Biden remaining out of the public eye helps his Poll ratings.
 
He will not be able to hide forever, but until such time as he can learn to string together multiple sentences, reading from a scripted message, even when giving an answer to a scripted question, and not fumble it so badly that the advocates who do the heavy editing cannot save it from ridicule... he needs more basement time.

  Joe Biden has been wrong on every Foreign Policy position he has taken, for at least the past 30 years, and maybe forever... same for all his time in Senate when it comes to many sensitive issues domestically, including Race, Prison, etc.
His team is slathering mainstream media with pithy reconstructed US History to try and make Biden seem like he participated positively.

  No one cares about his history, seems, if one is to believe Mainstream Media, with exception of minorities who never like being 'white splained' about much said by any politician, including white Democrats, when those dumb comments are on Video Tape, and can get through the blockade of Mainstream 'News' to get some airtime, purchased airtime mainly, but if they see the light of day, dumb racial comments will bite, every time.

  Joe needs to practice a lot, needs to learn what he 'thinks' to get elected, and needs not to get pissed off every time someone asks him a unscripted, or difficult question, especially regarding his living sons' and their picadillo issues and income from 'daddy got me this job' problems.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 23, 2020, 08:39:48 PM
 
  Joe Biden has been wrong on every Foreign Policy position he has taken, for at least the past 30 years, and maybe forever... same for all his time in Senate when it comes to many sensitive issues domestically, including Race, Prison, etc.

It is said that hindsight is 20/20.  I had no idea you were such an expert on Joe Biden,  Perhaps you could inform us how Biden was wrong where Trump got it right?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on May 23, 2020, 10:07:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=18&v=Txj9QY3qCuQ&feature=emb_logo

https://www.youaintblack.com/
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on May 23, 2020, 11:24:54 PM
Hillary nailed it saying half of Trump supporters are a basket of deplorables, except I personally say she underestimated by saying ’half’.

And really, this transcends race; anyone still at this point considering Trump for a second term IS a deplorable, an idiot or more likely both.

As I’ve been saying for a couple months, Biden will pick Kamala Harris and beat the pants off that orange clown.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on May 23, 2020, 11:32:08 PM

As I’ve been saying for a couple months, Biden will pick Kamala Harris and beat the pants off that orange clown.


Keep in mind that at this point four years ago, many people were saying the exact same thing about Hillary Clinton. Her elected was deemed assured, it was predicted to be a landslide, and Trump's idiocy was held up as the primary reason for an easy Democratic victory.

And then came November 8, 2016, when people actually cast votes.

As much as I'm loathe to say it, unless something catastrophic happens, if the Covid-19 epidemic begins to wane, the economy starts to re-open, and people can return to normal life, Biden will face an extremely tough challenge in November 3, 1020.





Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on May 24, 2020, 01:31:36 AM
Trump is really blowing it with his anti-vote by mail thing.  Voting by mail is very popular, especialy among the elderly, many of whom voted Trump in 2016.   Seniors are polling as being for Biden this year.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 01, 2020, 09:34:08 PM
Joe Biden: Cops Should Shoot
 Suspects ‘in the Leg
Instead of the Heart’


Democrat presidential hopeful Joe Biden suggested Monday that police training would change for the better if it included teaching officers to shoot unarmed people in the leg rather than firing a fatal shot.

Biden’s comments were made at a meeting at Bethel AME Church in Wilmington, Delaware, discussing the death of George Floyd at the hands of Minneapolis police and the violent unrest that has swept the nation in response.

“There are a lot of things that can change” regarding police training, Biden told community leaders, moments before suggesting officers should aim for non-lethal wounds in a suspect’s extremities.

Biden today on police training: "Instead of standing there and teaching a cop when there's an unarmed person comin' at 'em with a knife or something to shoot 'em in the leg instead of the heart is a very different thing."

One of those things is how police react when being charged by an “unarmed” person, although Biden described the hypothetical “unarmed” person as having “a knife or something.”

He continued, “To shoot them in the leg instead of the heart is a very different thing.”

Biden’s advice on shooting to wound instead of to kill comes as he stresses his plan to set up a police overview board during the first 100 days of his administration should he win in November.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on June 01, 2020, 09:39:00 PM
Unless one has trained snipers with them, trying to shoot a person in the leg, while under duress, could almost be impossible. Much easier said then done.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 01, 2020, 10:44:42 PM
JoE must know something about shoot to wound... or maybe not.

Unless one has trained snipers with them, trying to shoot a person in the leg, while under duress, could almost be impossible. Much easier said then done.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on June 06, 2020, 07:43:49 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/WebZt4L.gif)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 21, 2020, 10:40:46 PM
Michael Moore Warns Dems: While
You Laugh At Trump’s Base in Tulsa,
‘There’s No Massive, Intense
Love of Joe Biden’

ALANA MASTRANGELO20 Jun 20202,671

Left-wing documentary filmmaker Michael Moore is warning Democrats and the political left that while they may be laughing at President Donald Trump’s supporters gathering in Tulsa, Oklahoma, for his campaign rally on Saturday, “there’s no massive, intense love of Joe Biden.”

“Don’t get all smug laughing at these Bubbas in Tulsa today & snickering over how many of them are going to come down with Covid-19,” wrote Moore in an Instagram caption on Saturday. “They live, eat and breathe Trump — and none of us do that with Joe Biden. We’re counting on Hatred of Trump – not love of Biden – to win the day. Is that how you really think — hate beats love? Like, the more we ply our neighbor’s hatred of Trump, that’s the ticket to win?”

“Because deep down we know there’s no massive, intense love of Joe Biden,” admitted Moore, who predicted in July 2016 that Donald Trump would defeat Hillary Clinton.
 
“They started lining up on Tues in Tulsa for Trump’s rally today. 100,000 are expected!” said Moore. “Trump has lost none of his base and they are more rabid than ever. Sleeping on the sidewalk for five nights just to get in to see Trump? THAT is commitment.”

“Do not take Trump for granted. Don’t think he can’t win. Don’t get all cocky telling everyone there’s no way he’s winning the White House because, frankly, you sound a lot like yourself four years ago,” Moore warned his followers.

“I have a question I want you to answer, and I ask you to answer me honestly: ‘How many people would line up for five days just to hear Joe Biden talk?’ 12? 5? None?” inquired Moore.

Meanwhile, Biden’s rally in Pennsylvania on Wednesday appears to have elicited the exact opposite response — according to a report by the New York Times, which noted that “hardly any voters” had attended the event.

“About 20 handpicked local officials, small-business owners and reporters sat in folding chairs, each placed within a large white circle taped on the floor of a recreation center to maintain — or at least encourage — social distancing,” reported the New York Times. “A few attendees whispered to each other as photographers quietly chatted,” the report added, describing the event. “You could hear the clack of typing echoing across the room. The silence was striking,”

“Then, Mr. Biden appeared,” added the New York Times. “He arrived with such little fanfare that I didn’t even notice him enter the room.”

Moore added that “the candidate who inspires the most people in the swing states to excitedly get to the polls” is the one who wins the White House.

“We’d better figure this out,” the Oscar-winner warned. “Biden better get out of the basement. We need to know he’s ok. We need to know what Plan B is. We can’t risk ANYTHING with this election. Biden has to rock everyone’s world to win.”
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on June 22, 2020, 04:34:36 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/gxGrYMZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on June 22, 2020, 09:11:15 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/gxGrYMZ.jpg)

I thought it was supposed to be Red themed, not Blue.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on June 22, 2020, 09:40:30 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/gxGrYMZ.jpg)

I thought it was supposed to be Red themed, not Blue.



Hopefully, this is a prediction of the electoral map.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on June 22, 2020, 11:55:24 PM
I got a bunch of unsolicited crap from a website called “BarelyThereBiden.com” questioning his mental acuity and fitness for office.  Scrolling down through it, trying to figure out where this came from, there’s some small print on the bottom:  “PAID FOR BY DONALD J. TRUMP FOR PRESIDENT INC.”
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on June 23, 2020, 02:35:41 AM
Hopefully, this is a prediction of the electoral map.

Yes, but I don't think so.

Joan's article post about Michael Moore's comments is a concern.   Dan was saying something similar a few week ago. 
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on June 23, 2020, 03:07:08 PM
Hopefully, this is a prediction of the electoral map.

Yes, but I don't think so.

Joan's article post about Michael Moore's comments is a concern.   Dan was saying something similar a few week ago. 

That's where I'm at, I do not like Biden.  Not going vote for him because I approve of him or his policies, I'm going to vote for him because he is the obvious lesser of two evils, and this country has been embarrassed enough by trump
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on June 23, 2020, 04:43:48 PM
Seniors seem to like Biden.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on June 23, 2020, 11:05:54 PM
Wonder what the Vegas line is on JoE Biden serving an entire term?

The Georgia wannabe Governor will take over, I guess, and she will be just fine.

No worries...

Hopefully, this is a prediction of the electoral map.

Yes, but I don't think so.

Joan's article post about Michael Moore's comments is a concern.   Dan was saying something similar a few week ago. 

That's where I'm at, I do not like Biden.  Not going vote for him because I approve of him or his policies, I'm going to vote for him because he is the obvious lesser of two evils, and this country has been embarrassed enough by trump
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on June 30, 2020, 02:27:41 AM
If you are talking who will live longer, I'll take Mr. Stringbean over the humungous orange Cheeto.

Cheeto looks like he's fixing to stroke-out at any time.
Title: Biden Selection 2020 VEEP Candidate
Post by: joan1984 on August 03, 2020, 10:06:01 PM
 With the selection committee in place, the campaign of former vice president and presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden has begun the process of vetting potential running mates. Here are the people reportedly being considered. 

Biden pledged at a debate in March to pick a woman as his running mate, eliminating popular choices like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo from contention.

Sen. Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) withdrew from consideration and called on Biden to pick a woman of color, while Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto (D-Nev.) pulled her name as well, citing the state of Nevada’s economy.

Sen. Tammy Duckworth (D-Ill.), a Thai-American Iraq War veteran who had both her legs amputated after her helicopter was shot down, will interview with Biden, fellow Illinois Sen. Dick Durbin confirmed.

Biden has also reportedly asked for vetting papers from New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham, a former House member who was elected governor in 2018 and would be the first Hispanic American to serve as vice president.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who was first elected in 2018 and has been a lightning rod for Trump’s animus during the coronavirus pandemic, said she is in talks with the Biden campaign to begin the vetting process.

Rep. Val Demings (D-Fla.), a former Orlando police chief who worked as one of six Democratic impeachment managers during Trump’s impeachment trial, confirmed that she’s on the short list.

Sen. Maggie Hassan (D-N.H.) who also served as governor, is being vetted, according to New Hampshire radio station WMUR, while fellow Sen. (and former Gov.) Jeanne Shaheen declined the invitation.

Atlanta Mayor Keisha Bottoms, who has emerged as a key figure in the aftermath of George Floyd’s death in police custody, is being vetted by the campaign, according to Politico.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Kamala Harris (D-Calif.), two of Biden’s opponents during the Democratic primary who are seen as top contenders for the position, are both being vetted, CNN Analyst April Ryan reported.

Ryan also reported that former UN Ambassador Susan Rice and former Georgia State Representative Stacey Abrams are being vetted for the position as well.

The New York Times reported that Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo, who was one of the most unpopular governors in 2019 until her approval rating skyrocketed during the coronavirus pandemic, has spoken to Biden’s vetting team.

KEY BACKGROUND
Biden’s former 2020 opponents Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) tend to lead in polls of Democratic voters and are widely seen as frontrunners for the position. Former Georgia State Representative Stacey Abrams, who lost a hotly contested race for governor in 2018 and has since led various voter access efforts, has also been the object of much media speculation due to her public campaign for the slot.

BIG NUMBER
50%. A Data For Progress poll, conducted by Civiqs, found that 50% of Democrats favor a woman of color for VP. However, among the various candidates, Warren leads with 27%, followed by Harris at 21%, Abrams at 14% and Rice at 6%. Klobuchar came in at 5%, tied with Demings.

WHAT TO LOOK FOR
A number of prospects have been openly auditioning for the vice presidential slot, with many—including Whitmer, Harris, Warren, Klobuchar and Abrams—doing events and media appearances with Biden in recent weeks. Behind the scenes, various interest groups have been competing for Biden’s favor, with strong pushes for a Hispanic or African American pick. Biden has said he’s looking for a running mate who would be prepared to take over for him as president. Polls have shown Democratic voters agree, while also placing a high premium on boosting the ticket electorally.
------------------

Who is your favorite for Democratic Ticket Vice President, 2020?

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: staci on August 04, 2020, 01:05:27 AM
And who will be the VP candidate of DJT assuming he makes it until 11/03? Will he remain true to form and stab his current person in the back? Will he respond with a woman candidate (ie: nikki?) (iee: Ivanka? ) His Nazi speech writer perhaps? Maybe fair haired lackey Jerrad? Or maybe one he respects enough to bestow national honors on, Rush.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: geezer on August 04, 2020, 06:36:34 PM
no comment
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on August 04, 2020, 06:53:05 PM
 :roll: :roll: :roll: Why old people should not have Internet access...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: staci on August 04, 2020, 07:18:20 PM
Hi, alll... Joe Biden is not capable of being President. He can't be President in the plain meaning of the word "incapable." He is suffering from pre-Alzheimers dementia and doesn't know from one minute to the next where he is or to whom he is speaking. He is a proxy candidate. A placeholder for the Obama restoration. A stand in for whomever is second on his ticket. He functions only as the "not Trump" alternative. The Dems will invent elaborate rationals for why Biden will skip any and all debates because Joe cannot speak in public. Then if elected, Biden will not serve out his term. He will barely make it to inauguration, where upon taking the oath of office, Jill will announce Joe is going home as the 25th Amendment is invoked. He resigns the office. An all new Democrat President is sworn in. America as a constitutional republic will be unrecognizable in a year. 

All of the preceding scenario will of course NOT come to pass if Trump wins 375 electoral votes in a smashing landslide victory.


Who will win the 4th race at Belmont?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on August 04, 2020, 08:59:00 PM

Hi, alll... Joe Biden is not capable of being President. He can't be President in the plain meaning of the word "incapable." He is suffering from pre-Alzheimers dementia and doesn't know from one minute to the next where he is or to whom he is speaking. He is a proxy candidate. A placeholder for the Obama restoration. A stand in for whomever is second on his ticket. He functions only as the "not Trump" alternative. The Dems will invent elaborate rationals for why Biden will skip any and all debates because Joe cannot speak in public. Then if elected, Biden will not serve out his term. He will barely make it to inauguration, where upon taking the oath of office, Jill will announce Joe is going home as the 25th Amendment is invoked. He resigns the office. An all new Democrat President is sworn in. America as a constitutional republic will be unrecognizable in a year. 


"Unrecognizable"?

Were all that to occur, it would be in strict accord with the dictates of the Constitution, following it and the 25th Amendent to the letter.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on August 04, 2020, 10:40:35 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll: Why old people should not have Internet access...

Hey..... ;D ;D
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 26, 2020, 11:39:17 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/24/wisconsin-police-shooting-jacob-blake-live-updates-kenosha/5625277002/

Madison, Wisconsin, rioters out in force, hours after supposed "Curfew".

"Several buildings along State Street were also tagged with graffiti, with anti-police messaging as well as Black Lives Matter tags."

President Trump is sending Federal Law Enforcement, and up to thousands of National Guard to put down illegal activity by BlackLivesMatter and anarchy Left
Wing looters and rioters, including in Kenosha, WI, after days of insurrection while the Governor refused Federal Help.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on August 27, 2020, 12:47:53 AM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2020/08/24/wisconsin-police-shooting-jacob-blake-live-updates-kenosha/5625277002/

Madison, Wisconsin, rioters out in force, hours after supposed "Curfew".

"Several buildings along State Street were also tagged with graffiti, with anti-police messaging as well as Black Lives Matter tags."

President Trump is sending Federal Law Enforcement, and up to thousands of National Guard to put down illegal activity by BlackLivesMatter and anarchy Left
Wing looters and rioters, including in Kenosha, WI, after days of insurrection while the Governor refused Federal Help.

Trump is a fascist who is unleashing his personal Sturmabteilung, the Border Patrol Tactical Unit, on American citizens.  He realizes he cannot win the election fairly, so he will do anything he can to destabilize our nation to the point of imposing martial law, or cancel the election.  You John are a traitor.  You advocate everything that you claim to despise.  You are in a cult.  Your leader is the enemy of everything this country has stood for the last 243 years.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on August 27, 2020, 01:06:01 AM
Our hero.


(https://i.imgur.com/cRitwYk.png)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 27, 2020, 01:14:50 AM
  How many days and nights of anarchy, rioting, looting, setting fires and intimidating law abiding citizens, and business owners minding their own business are suitable to JoE, and to you, ToE?

  After his failure to dispatch the Wisconsin National Guard, then only sending a few, then thinking about sending a few more, after violence by the anarchists resulted in anarchists' deaths, and wounding... a unnecessary situation had the State Governor done the right thing, and protected cities from illegal mob rule with the instruments at his hand.

  Today, finally, the Governor agreed to accept help from President Trump, which is now on the way.

  Which federal employees, exactly, respond, and choices of how they are utilized will be made by the Wisconsin Attorney General, and National Guard Officers as needed, as should have been a rational response by the Wisconsin Governor as a first instinct, days ago; not as a groveling last resort.

  Even JoE Biden, your Hero, managed a 'statement' today to condemn the lawless behavior of those who riot, loot, and participate, endorse criminal activity.

  AFT...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on August 27, 2020, 03:08:46 AM
(https://assets.rebelmouse.io/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJpbWFnZSI6Imh0dHBzOi8vYXNzZXRzLnJibC5tcy8xMzMwODAxOC9vcmlnaW4uanBnIiwiZXhwaXJlc19hdCI6MTYwNzk0Njc3Mn0.89F-K0MbfXmdWCSw9RCCpuQQyEcuIGrytFnOl06M8hE/img.jpg?width=980)

Are you listening John?  Or has your racism plugged your ears?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on August 27, 2020, 03:11:30 AM

  How many days and nights of anarchy, rioting, looting, setting fires and intimidating law abiding citizens, and business owners minding their own business are suitable to JoE, and to you, ToE?

  Even JoE Biden, your Hero, managed a 'statement' today to condemn the lawless behavior of those who riot, loot, and participate, endorse criminal activity.


FYI Joan, Joe Biden isn't the president. At least not yet.

Meanwhile, the "days and nights of anarchy, rioting, looting, setting fires and intimidating law abiding citizens, and business owners minding their own business," are happening under his predecessor's watch.

It strikes me as odd to blame someone who is not the president while exonerating the man who is president.



Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on August 27, 2020, 03:55:00 AM
When there is unrest, the fingers are pointed at the sate leaders especially when they are Democrats, but the unrest settles and a semblance of peace starts to spread, they praise trump for his "actions".

Evers isnt excepting help from trump.  He was blocking trump from sending too many national guardsmen into action and turning the cities of his state into the mess we had seen in DC only a few months ago.  The national guard can be called in by both state and federal governments and the governor doesnt need help to do so.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on August 27, 2020, 04:14:57 AM
ToE
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on August 27, 2020, 04:30:52 AM

ToE


Careful...that might stick...




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 27, 2020, 05:10:19 AM
  Barbara, I asked the question to ToE... was seeking how many days does ToE believe any city should be required to entertain a criminal mob?

  Is Three Days enough?
Maybe a Dozen days?
How about NO Days?
I am seeking ToE's response.

JoE has no meaningful response, I agree, and so I am not asking for JoE's response... only the simple question I asked, having read the slanderous comments of ToE, I am seeking his answer to the question...

  How Many Days, ToE? Days with no sufficient action to protect a city?

  ____None?    ____One?    ____Two?    ____Three?    ____ ToE's Limit...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on August 27, 2020, 06:30:50 AM
 Barbara, I asked the question to ToE... was seeking how many days does ToE believe any city should be required to entertain a criminal mob?

  Is Three Days enough?
Maybe a Dozen days?
How about NO Days?
I am seeking ToE's response.

JoE has no meaningful response, I agree, and so I am not asking for JoE's response... only the simple question I asked, having read the slanderous comments of ToE, I am seeking his answer to the question...

  How Many Days, ToE? Days with no sufficient action to protect a city?

  ____None?    ____One?    ____Two?    ____Three?    ____ ToE's Limit...

There are no criminal mobs.  We should start by rounding up racist shit bags like yourself.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on August 27, 2020, 07:22:32 AM
Want the rioting to stop?  Then stop Trump from agrandizing police violence against black people and vote the Trump out in November.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on August 28, 2020, 12:47:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Y2Zorgm.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: watcher1 on August 28, 2020, 02:21:53 PM
Only 7 states ban open carrying of firearms by its citizens. Hope that number is increased to 50 soon.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 28, 2020, 06:30:40 PM
  JoE Biden supporters, greeting Vernon Jones, following the end of RNC last night.
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/08/27/watch-black-lives-matter-protesters-accost-vernon-jones-outside-white-house/
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 28, 2020, 06:32:53 PM
  Democrats, Biden supporters, greet Senator and Mrs. Rand Paul, following the RNC last night:
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/08/27/watch-black-lives-matter-protesters-surround-rand-paul-for-several-minutes-after-rnc/
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on August 28, 2020, 07:03:46 PM
  Democrats, Biden supporters, greet Senator and Mrs. Rand Paul, following the RNC last night:
https://www.breitbart.com/law-and-order/2020/08/27/watch-black-lives-matter-protesters-surround-rand-paul-for-several-minutes-after-rnc/

He said the DC police "literally saved their lives"

Perhaps if they weren't racists, and actually stood for something good or right, BLM wouldnt have yelled words that could apparently kill somebody.  :roll:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 28, 2020, 07:34:05 PM
  Do you believe Senator Rand Paul, and Mrs. Paul, are racists?

  Do you believe any person, walking down a city street, should be assaulted by anyone at all? Is this the behavior you, and your family expect when in public?

  Do you encourage, and want such behavior, crowd taunting, threatening, obscene name calling, for any reason, by any group of residents/citizens, on any sidewalk?

  Do you believe your view, such hate, is shared by the majority of likely US Voters?

  Please advise...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on August 28, 2020, 07:41:39 PM
  Do you believe Senator Rand Paul, and Mrs. Paul, are racists?

  Do you believe any person, walking down a city street, should be assaulted by anyone at all? Is this the behavior you, and your family expect when in public?

  Do you encourage, and want such behavior, crowd taunting, threatening, obscene name calling, for any reason, by any group of residents/citizens, on any sidewalk?

  Do you believe your view, such hate, is shared by the majority of likely US Voters?

  Please advise...

Why were they shouting at him?  Why would the crowd feel they had to nonviolently surround him?  What exactly were they demanding of him?  Why could he not acknowledge them at what they want from a political leader?  And elected official.

If I had an injustice and tragedy on my watch and refuse to address it or even mention it slightly, then yes I would expect that type of reaction from the people who entrust me to make decisions to make life better in this country.

To the best of my knowledge at this moment, no arrests and no injuries were reported so how much danger do you really think they were in.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 28, 2020, 09:03:27 PM
  Thank God the Police were able to protect those walking on the streets of DC last night, not only Senator and Mrs. Paul, but many others, from those protesting with no permit.

  No one would "engage" such cretins, or respond to shouts and insults, nor should one respond to such threatening thuggish behavior, rather give no response, nor acknowledgement in an effort to maintain their own safety, during and after such a rude confrontation.

  Senator Paul has a CC Permit, most likely carries when out late at night in DC, and likely wished to press no charges against the assault by the mob.

  When you visit the Nation's Capital, with your family, I hope you have necessary protection, should you be confronted by my neighbors as was depicted in the clip.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on August 28, 2020, 09:36:29 PM
 Thank God the Police were able to protect those walking on the streets of DC last night, not only Senator and Mrs. Paul, but many others, from those protesting with no permit.

  No one would "engage" such cretins, or respond to shouts and insults, nor should one respond to such threatening thuggish behavior, rather give no response, nor acknowledgement in an effort to maintain their own safety, during and after such a rude confrontation.

  Senator Paul has a CC Permit, most likely carries when out late at night in DC, and likely wished to press no charges against the assault by the mob.

  When you visit the Nation's Capital, with your family, I hope you have necessary protection, should you be confronted by my neighbors as was depicted in the clip.

It's his own fault for not getting ahead of the situation. There would have been no need to respond or engage any of them had he done the right thing from the start and addressed the matter at hand, then he wouldnt have been in the situation he found himself him.  He wouldnt have needed the police to protect him from all those deadly words shouted at him.

Proactive instead of reactive
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on August 28, 2020, 11:04:40 PM
Do you believe Senator Rand Paul, and Mrs. Paul, are racists?

Yes.

#BlackLivesMatter

#BanTheNaziFromKB
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 29, 2020, 09:22:47 PM
Video link:https://video.foxnews.com/v/6185664433001 

On Friday’s broadcast of Fox News Channel’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) and his wife Kelley Paul discussed their confrontation with an angry mob protesting outside the White House in Washington, D.C. following the completion of the Republican National Convention.

Kelley Paul recounted the emotions of that experience, saying she felt protesters endangered her life.

“It was absolutely terrifying,” she said. “I have never experienced anything like that in my life. I hope no one else ever has to. We felt completely powerless. Before some of the video that I think you have shown where the police with the bikes were kind of creating a moving barricade for us. In the minutes before the police with the bikes showed up, we were completely encircled and surrounded, pressed up against two cops who — we were surrounded by people who were screaming in our faces, yelling that they were going to F us up, screaming, ‘Say her name.'”

“And at one point, you know, at first I was trying to look in their eyes and trying to have any kind of reason or to see someone as a human being, and I realized, they did not see us as human beings,” Kelley Paul continued. “We were Trump supporters, so they absolutely despised us. Even though if we were ever in a situation and maybe could have talked to some of those folks, and they knew about Rand’s background in Criminal Justice Reform and the things that I’ve spoken out on, we could have had agreement. But in that moment, it was just like this bloodthirsty mob, and all I could think of was the man who was kicked in the head in Portland, you know, a week ago or the man whose jaw was broken or eight-year-old, Secoriea Turner. I really felt that we were going to lose our lives. I thought someone was going to throw a brick. I mean, it was the most terrifying moment in my entire life.”

Kelley Paul said she was “furious” over the lack of condemnation from Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and her husband’s U.S. Senate colleague Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA), the Democratic vice-presidential nominee.

“I’m furious,” she said. “I am furious. I’m furious that Biden and Kamala Harris are not denouncing this. You tell me if you are surrounded by a mob that will not let you move, that is screaming in your face, that is holding you completely hostage, and you cannot walk to your hotel and you are on a dark street, you tell me that’s not violence. You tell me that is not an attack.”
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on August 30, 2020, 07:42:36 PM
I thought the RNC was supposed to be in Florida this year.  Trump moved the convention to the White House? WTF?

The People have the right of Freedom of Speech.  And yes, Rand Paul is a racist.  Not only does he support Trump, but he voted against an anti-lynching bill.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 30, 2020, 08:19:48 PM
  Due to the Corona Virus, many functions and portions of the RNC Convention were held with participants from remote locations. I know, it's difficult to keep up...

  President Trump accepted the Republican Nomination for President 2020, from his Washington, DC 'home' as our President, The White House, and invited friends as guests to this portion of the activities.

  The unauthorized 'mostly peaceful protestors' brought their illegal fireworks, their edge sharpened skate boards, their gas masks, weights, bicycle locks used to bash those they oppose, and horns, sirens, car alarms, and more, to harass and disturb the South Lawn speeches and events.. unsuccessfully.. then the 'mostly peaceful protestors' continued their lawbreaking hooliganism, and violent anarchy, choosing to attack those pedestrians leave the White House event, who were walking to their vehicles or nearby hotels, after midnight.

  One group, with Senator and Mrs. Paul, attempted to walk the one block to their hotel, and unable to cross the street due to violent mob activity, took Police advice, boarding a bus which was headed to the Trump Hotel. They took a Uber ride from the Trump Hotel, attempting to get to the hotel where they had reservations, and due to the violent illegal Biden Supporter Mob, found streets near their hotel were blocked (an attempt to save motorists from the violence in the streets).

  Unable to get through in the Uber, Senator Paul and his group decided to walk the two blocks to their hotel, and were attacked verbally, bullied by initially 30, then up to 100 Biden Supporter Illegal Mob participants, threatening to "Fuck you up", and generally escalating their confrontation/assault, catching the eye of DC Bicycle Police, who pushed through the Democrat Mob, to protect the pedestrians, without knowing it was a U.S. Senator initially, then when Senator Paul made himself known, the Police offered to escort, formed a protective slow moving cordon with the Senator, and Senator Paul's guests, and wife, moving slowly within the bicycle Officer's protective and tight cordon, the remaining distance to their hotel.

It might have been any group of pedestrians, moving along a sidewalk a block from the White House, maybe some of your relatives, or a few nurses, or nuns, and Police offered the only protection available to keep these citizens from the Mob.

Senator Paul, as noted by Marty Paul, his Wife, introduced and sponsored Bills that
Black Lives Matter lobbyists have endorsed, regarding No Knock Warrants, and the legislation which has/will release many inmates who have been in prison since Joe Biden's Crime Bill put them away for 20 and more years, for non violent crimes, so long ago.

No matter to the Democrat/Biden Violent Mob at Black Lives Matter Plaza that night, no matter at all. Only the direct understanding they would be dealt with by DC Bicycle Police, physically dragged off to jail, was enough for this Mob to back off, so they only screamed, and spat on this group of pedestrians, used intimidation and physical threats to "Fuck you up", and generally created mayhem that night.

And some at KB believe that is just fine...

George Floyd would be proud of you!

I thought the RNC was supposed to be in Florida this year.  Trump moved the convention to the White House? WTF?

The People have the right of Freedom of Speech.  And yes, Rand Paul is a racist.  Not only does he support Trump, but he voted against an anti-lynching bill.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on August 30, 2020, 09:33:03 PM
Moderators, please break off this part of the thread, at it has little to do with Joe Biden and is an attempt to hijack the thread from its orginal topic.

  Due to the Corona Virus, many functions and portions of the RNC Convention were held with participants from remote locations. I know, it's difficult to keep up...

  President Trump accepted the Republican Nomination for President 2020, from his Washington, DC 'home' as our President, The White House, and invited friends as guests to this portion of the activities.

  The unauthorized 'mostly peaceful protestors' brought their illegal fireworks,

Why was the Hatct Act violated in this manner?

It seems odd for a person who keeps tweeting "LAW AND ORDER!" would break the law.  Such a thing would be hypocritical.

#BlackLivesMatter

#BanTheNaziFromKB

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 30, 2020, 09:50:17 PM
  For the record, my post was in response to Lois' question. Use of the White House to announce, accept Nomination For President/ReElection is not new by any means.

  FDR announced from the White House, as did Jimmy Carter, and a number of other Presidents, when they were Nominated for ReElection to the office. The activity this year was approved by the Board of Ethics, and all activity was held outdoors, on the South Lawn of the White House, where seating was arranged according to approved planning, and Masks were required for entry.

  No Hatch Act issues here. I know, sometimes it is difficult to keep up. Thank you.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on August 30, 2020, 10:05:18 PM
No Hatch Act issues here.

Who covered up the freshly laid -dead- sod in the Rose Garden with synthetic turf?

I am glad you are 100% sure no federal employees were used in any capacity in the set up, take down, clean up, and assistance in this political event.  

It would be unfortunate for this statement to be revisited later, should it prove otherwise.  

#BlackLivesMatter

#BanTheNaziFromKB
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on August 30, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
  The contractors who leveled Michelle's garden, cleaned up the animal feces, and scraped up, paved over Barack's Basketball Half Court, making room for added Air Conditioning units (plus desired parking/dumpsters) in January, to allow the comfortable temperature the President, Melania, and Baron, and the rest of the Trump Family members require, had no Federal Employees, no illegal aliens, no Government groundskeepers, in their employ.

  The RNC of course hired suitable skilled, credentialed and security approved folks for any needed uses, to include catering, seating, turf and whatever for the RNC Convention Events.. and arranged the fine Fireworks Show, with permits and such as well as the experts who conducted the event.

  Too bad the sidewalk to the Hay Adams, or whatever Hotel Senator Paul and his family members, guests, needed for a short walk was not included in the security arrangements, so being blocked by the illegal mob of Biden Supporters may have been avoided.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Athos_131 on August 30, 2020, 11:10:08 PM
 The contractors who leveled Michelle's garden, cleaned up the animal feces, and scraped up, paved over Barack's Basketball Half Court, making room for added Air Conditioning units (plus desired parking/dumpsters) in January, to allow the comfortable temperature the President, Melania, and Baron, and the rest of the Trump Family members require, had no Federal Employees, no illegal aliens, no Government groundskeepers, in their employ.

  The RNC of course hired suitable skilled, credentialed and security approved folks for any needed uses, to include catering, seating, turf and whatever for the RNC Convention Events.. and arranged the fine Fireworks Show, with permits and such as well as the experts who conducted the event.

  Too bad the sidewalk to the Hay Adams, or whatever Hotel Senator Paul and his family members, guests, needed for a short walk was not included in the security arrangements, so being blocked by the illegal mob of Biden Supporters may have been avoided.

I am sure you have proof of such work.  Posting falsehoods is very unethical.

#BlackLivesMatter

#BanTheNaziFromKB
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on August 31, 2020, 03:28:22 AM
It's never stopped Joan before.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 01, 2020, 02:36:03 AM
  Speaking to an empty room in the Pittsburgh, PA area, JoE Biden finally addressed directly that violence and mayhem are not considered peaceful protesting.

  ...“It’s lawlessness, plain and simple. And those who do it should be prosecuted,” Biden said.

  Good to see JoE, and lots of Democrat politicians are feeling political heat about the supporters burning, looting, attacking citizens, causing mayhem/chaos effectively in Democrat governed cities and towns.

  A.F.T. - Thanks, JoE!

https://apnews.com/7027ede0a6e3fbf8c1dfc6d4613cd6bd
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on September 01, 2020, 04:12:33 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DAGFL6X.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on September 29, 2020, 05:54:02 AM
   


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Spead your legs, you're gonna be frisked

Joe Biden was at his gregarious best as he swore in dozens of members of the Senate last month. In between flirting with senators' grandmothers and telling their husbands to spread their legs, he kept himself amused with moments like this.

Keep y'all in chains

The vice president seemed to relish every moment of the 2012 campaign, even if he repeatedly forgot what state he was visiting. Speaking before a largely black audience in Virginia, an exuberant Biden warned that Mitt Romney wanted to "put y'all back in chains".

The wheelchair standing ovation

In which Biden asks a wheelchair-bound local politician to stand up and acknowledge the crowd's applause.

Why Hillary would be a better VP

Although thrilled to have been picked as Obama's VP, Biden unhelpfully suggested that perhaps Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice.

Crisis

Biden has been in Washington since the Nixon administration and often takes the long view of US politics. But the Obama campaign was less than pleased when he began speculating that the new president would face a major international crisis within six months of taking office.

Articlulate and bright and clean...

Many people forget that Biden himself ran for president twice, once in 1988 and once in 2008. His second campaign got off to a rocky start when he mused that Barack Obama, still a largely unknown senator from Illinois, was "the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy".

His latest one happened during a televised interview with CBS News in which he called for the arrest of Breonna Taylor

“Why doesn’t he just act like a president,” Biden said emphatically about Trump before suddenly going silent.

“That’s a stupid way to say it, I guess,” he added before an awkward moment when Biden and Wallace both tried to speak.
Shaking his head, he looked down and muttered “sorry.” Wallace tried to urge him on, but he waved her away, saying, “no, it’s probably best I don’t.”
The exchange is reminiscent of the kind of thing that happens with elderly patients in nursing homes.
Biden caught himself saying something he thinks maybe he shouldn’t have, although he didn’t seem to know exactly why it was wrong, so he apologized and just went silent.
If he were my grandfather, I’d want to give him a hug in that moment. But he’s not my grandpa; he’s a candidate for president of the United States, so rather than being endearing, it’s frightening.

Look, he may be a nice guy or he tugs at your heartstrings when he speaks like you want to help him finish what he was trying to say or whatever, but honestly we cant have a guy like this as leader of the most powerful country in the world. its scary. period.

how would this work with him meeting leaders of other countries and trying to make deals that effect military action and our economy and everything ,its just not feasible really.
i dont hate him i dont hate trump i didnt hate obama, i'm not that emotionally tied in to these people. they are strangers, politicians, job applicants really. some i would hire some i would not.
if someone impresses me with speaking skills and seems bright and responsible and i look in their eyes and feel i could trust them with our future four years more than the other applicant , i dont really care if he or she is from one party or the other.
   I was all for obama,maybe for the wrong reason-to be perfectly honest- i wanted a black president to show the world AND the black citizens of the USA -we are not as prejudice as some make us out to be
and even if there exist some extremely small percentage of americans who ARE prejudice its by FAR not the norm here.
plus he did speak great and seemed on the ball and like he wanted to do good for our country.
  so i dont know if i will be called "racist" now since one main reason i liked obama WAS because he was black. who knows in this climate, but I felt it would be good for the country at the time.
 and that,i feel, should be everyones measure of a candidate - if they will be good for the country at the present time.
i liked trump because he was an outsider and not beholden to anyone and felt he really did LOVE this country deep in his heart. i did kind of laugh when he started running and seemed not "presidential" and i had doubts he would last thru the primaries especially with some of the politically incorrect things he said and did. BUT after he won he grew into the job and produced what i feel are amazing results, on the world stage and in our economy.
despite being bashed and attacked hourly from our own american media and politicians-tossing our enemies fodder to bash him too, he produced.
and i have no respect for anyone who gives aid to the enemies of the united states.

i would like to end this "who i am ramble" by saying the so called democratic party we have now is nothing like the democrats and republicans we had before,like all my life. when i was younger you could barely tell the dems and repubs apart..they were "politicians" saying whatever they thought you wanted to hear to get votes for the most part. and we were all ok with that, laughing about it while still believing in our system of govt. over any other on this earth.
but the new "democrats" are just so disrespectful to our own leaders and other govt officials we elected and seem so filled with such venomous hate, against our fellow americans, ones we as a nation of people have chosen to do jobs in our govt for us.and they even HATE US for choosing those we chose... that it really seems they just hate america and everything it stands for anymore. and i am not exaggerating they really seem to hate our flag and our history and our national anthem and use the freedoms of speech and freedom to assemble and freedom of the press to try to destroy the very govt.of the people that gives them this same freedom.

and i am sorry, i cannot vote for any of that. be it republican-democrat or independent.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on September 29, 2020, 01:57:30 PM
and just who on this website is nazi you would like to ban?
 :emot_weird:

The National Socialist Party, commonly referred to in English as the Nazi Party, was a political party in Germany that was active between 1920 and 1945, that created and supported the ideology of National Socialism. I dont think the democrats and black lives matter and antifa supporters here are REALLY nazi even tho they are for national socialism and try to enforce their opinions with violence and anger.So if you are calling the leftists here or democrats here nazi and want to ban them from this site you are being a little extreme.

so who exactly are you aiming this ---->   #BanTheNaziFromKB   <------at ?
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on September 29, 2020, 08:01:20 PM
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on September 30, 2020, 01:50:08 AM

exactly,those with common sense will prevail.

NOBODY,i mean nobody has improved the lives of people of color in REAL concrete ways like this before,ever. It's always been empty promises and lip service til trump came along and didn't play the politics game but honestly did his best to help our country.ALL OUR COUNTRY.

and when he hugged the flag that time, that was REAL.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on September 30, 2020, 02:02:29 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/DAGFL6X.jpg)
:roll:
SO WHATS YOUR POINT?    democrats support antifa and blm and rioters and looters and arsonists so we should now feel unsafe?... and blame trump?

c'mon dude, people are not that stupid.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: staci on September 30, 2020, 02:33:58 AM
One is a bully, the other is not.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on September 30, 2020, 03:19:19 AM
One is a bully, the other is not.


just because biden said he wants to take trump behind the gym and beat him up does not make him a bully...he was just excited.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on September 30, 2020, 03:15:08 PM
There isn’t a single Democrat that has expressed anything but condemnation for looting and violence.  Trump’s own FBI says Antifa is a loose unorganized group that posing little or no threat, and that the major threat facing the U.S. comes from white supremacist groups.

Joe Biden affirmed his condemnation of any looting and violence last night.  When asked by the moderator if he would similarly condemn white supremacy, Trump said, ‘Proud Boys, stand down and stand by’ like they were his own private army waiting for his orders to strike.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 01, 2020, 02:48:31 AM
There isn’t a single Democrat that has expressed anything but condemnation for looting and violence. 

'

really?
and its white supremacists i saw on TV doing the looting ?? what, are they wearing blackface ?

jed i'm starting to see you are one of those people who could turn a cake recipe into a bundle of trump bashing lies.
if i said what a beautiful blue sky today you would find some way to bash trump about it
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Shiela_M on October 01, 2020, 02:56:10 AM

if i said what a beautiful blue sky today you would find some way to bash trump about it

He does want to burn more coal...
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 01, 2020, 03:22:44 AM

if i said what a beautiful blue sky today you would find some way to bash trump about it

He does want to burn more coal...
;D
LOL
 ;D

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 01, 2020, 05:49:41 AM
really?
and its white supremacists i saw on TV doing the looting ?? what, are they wearing blackface ?

Interesting tactic, implying looters must be Democrat by acknowledging white supremacism is more the other crowd's thing.

i'm not implying anything, the looters were democrats you know that. did you see republicans chanting re-elect trump and looting and burning, dont be stupid.

and i dont know who keeps bringing up supremists or whatever i didnt see any kkk or whatever out there involved in the riots or looting but it would have been an odd sight watching black thugs from the hood looting side by side with kkk members in white hoods ...running in and out of stores with armloads of tv's and shoes..helping each other break windows..
i only get cnn and fox so maybe they just never showed the supremists or talked about them
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on October 01, 2020, 07:15:09 AM
People are protesting injustices that have led to multiple deaths of peoplefor the crime of being black.  Most of the looters are people from a different demographic taking advantage of the protests.

Asfor violence, extremist far right groups are causing more death and mayhem than the anti-fascists, or antifa for short.

Here Are The Facts: Right Wing Political Violence Far Outweighs Left Wing ‘Angry Mobs’



Republicans can’t talk about the issues that really matter to voters, so they gin up false narratives to get out the vote. This midterm, they’ve come up with “liberal mobs” and “antifa” coming to get everyone. In reality, the “liberal mobs” are angry about rape and jailed babies; they want a dialogue, they aren’t even carrying weapons, unlike the Tea Party in 2010.

Right wing violence so far outweighs the Left, it’s difficult to understand why the media is dangerously playing the “both sides” game.

Author of ‘Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump’ and correspondent for the Southern Poverty Law Center David Neiwert tossed a non-exhaustive list of right wing violence as compared to left wing violence:

This list shouldn’t surprise anyone who has a working knowledge of psychology and or politics. Conservatives are authoritarians who have gone off the cliff into anarchy and vigilantism, both of which some Republicans in elected leadership egg on and even endorse at times, so long as the target is the Left.

While Republicans don’t let guns into their big events, they never stop using the boogeyman of Democrats “taking your guns away” to rile up their voters over a non-issue.

No one is taking anyone’s guns away unless that person is a criminal, suspected terrorist or incapable of being a responsible gun owner, in which case, yeah, Democrats want your guns. Republicans think even criminals and suspected terrorists should have guns, which is in and of itself an incitement to violence.

The question reporters should be asking Republicans is “Why are you so afraid of the First Amendment?”

It’s grotesque and further incitement to division to qualify liberals and Democrats as a mob, the devil, and a general horrible thing — all of which is done by elected Republicans, the President, Fox News, and more.

This is hate mongering, and it often leads to violence on its own. Couple it with loads of gun talk, drowned in conspiracies about the government coming for their cult, and peppered with vigilante worship, and you have a potent, toxic call to violence.

It is a call Republicans are never held accountable for. In fact, suggesting that they be responsible for their words deeply offends the mainstream press, who seem to regularly find holding Republicans accountable for the deeds they’ve done, like jailing babies and putting a probable liar and sexual assaulter on the Supreme Court, to be equal to or worse than the deeds themselves.

Clue: There is a way to get citizens to stop bothering you while you’re eating a cheese platter: Listen to them and represent them instead of special interests, lobbyists, and gun manufacturers — as you are supposed to do in a democracy.

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/10/17/heres-the-facts-right-wing-political-violence-far-outweighs-left-wing-angry-mobs.html

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 01, 2020, 10:10:24 AM


There is a way to get citizens to stop bothering you while you’re eating a cheese platter: Listen to them and represent them instead of special interests, lobbyists, and gun manufacturers — as you are supposed to do in a democracy.

this statement alone is enough to show your total lack of intelligence and understanding of a democracy and why its a waste of time to respond to you anymore.

in other words if you want to go out and eat with your family and not be attacked by angry mobs all you have to do is 'listen' to the angry mob and 'represent them' because you think thats what we are supposed to do in a democracy?
so if you bow to the fascists they will stop attacking you, and that's what you think you are supposed to do in a democracy.
 :emot_weird:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 01, 2020, 06:23:58 PM
People are protesting injustices that have led to multiple deaths of peoplefor the crime of being black.  Most of the looters are people from a different demographic taking advantage of the protests.

  Exactly what is the  "different demographic" do you believe are the looters who accompany/follow the "peaceful protestors"...



Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on October 02, 2020, 03:11:00 PM
Joe Biden: "Jill and I send our thoughts to President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump for a swift recovery. We will continue to pray for the health and safety of the president and his family."
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on October 02, 2020, 10:04:01 PM
People are protesting injustices that have led to multiple deaths of peoplefor the crime of being black.  Most of the looters are people from a different demographic taking advantage of the protests.

  Exactly what is the  "different demographic" do you believe are the looters who accompany/follow the "peaceful protestors"...

There have been many stories in the press about it.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/06/15/criminals-used-george-floyd-protests-cover-looting-police-say/5324881002/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protesters-condemn-opportunistic-looting-violence

and many more.  Remember Joan, Google is your friend.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 03, 2020, 02:13:29 AM
People are protesting injustices that have led to multiple deaths of peoplefor the crime of being black.  Most of the looters are people from a different demographic taking advantage of the protests.

  Exactly what is the  "different demographic" do you believe are the looters who accompany/follow the "peaceful protestors"...

There have been many stories in the press about it.



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2020/06/15/criminals-used-george-floyd-protests-cover-looting-police-say/5324881002/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/31/george-floyd-protesters-condemn-opportunistic-looting-violence

and many more.  Remember Joan, Google is your friend.





the demographic is exactly the same, nothing in those left wing links disputes that.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on October 07, 2020, 02:42:08 AM
I removed a Non Sequitur political meme posted by eater.  Unless the meme is specifically related to the discussion please keep them in the mindless political meme thread.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 07, 2020, 03:05:52 AM
I removed a Non Sequitur political meme posted by eater.  Unless the meme is specifically related to the discussion please keep them in the mindless political meme thread.

Ohh..so for example if i was saying democrats are being tricked into destoying their childrens futures i could post a meme showing antifa and blm burning down buildings etc..

i understand, thank you  :emot_kiss:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on October 07, 2020, 03:36:03 AM
Somehow I find him to be more sad than the others, joan and cunnyman.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 07, 2020, 03:44:46 AM
Somehow I find him to be more sad than the others, joan and cunnyman.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.6V0eurla49apoI4Ku-pZ9wHaEL%26pid%3DApi&f=1)

we'll see who's sad after the election.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on October 14, 2020, 03:58:54 AM
Somehow I find him to be more sad than the others, joan and cunnyman.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.6V0eurla49apoI4Ku-pZ9wHaEL%26pid%3DApi&f=1)

we'll see who's sad after the election.

Probably your wife, but she was that way already.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on October 14, 2020, 04:50:08 AM

we'll see who's sad after the election.



With Biden in a double digit lead, yes we will.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 15, 2020, 12:39:38 PM

we'll see who's sad after the election.



With Biden in a double digit lead, yes we will.

facebook & twitter & google all blocked access to or deleted accounts related to the breaking news about hunter bidens newly discovered   e-mails talking to foreign governments about arranging access to joe biden in exchange for millions of dollars and faked employment at a ukraine gas company to cover up his payoffs to gain access to his father joe biden.

i dont know why democrats want to be lied to or deceived or have info withheld from them, they are like literally sticking their head in the sand and dont seem to care if they are contributing to the damage to our country.,,in fact they seem to relish in anything anti-american or destructive or hateful or disgusting. they really are scum.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on October 15, 2020, 01:06:20 PM

we'll see who's sad after the election.



With Biden in a double digit lead, yes we will.

facebook & twitter & google all blocked access to or deleted accounts related to the breaking news about hunter bidens newly discovered   e-mails talking to foreign governments about arranging access to joe biden in exchange for millions of dollars and faked employment at a ukraine gas company to cover up his payoffs to gain access to his father joe biden.

i dont know why democrats want to be lied to or deceived or have info withheld from them, they are like literally sticking their head in the sand and dont seem to care if they are contributing to the damage to our country.,,in fact they seem to relish in anything anti-american or destructive or hateful or disgusting. they really are scum.


I was reading an article yesterday about facebook and twitter limiting access to the story.  It does seem odd. 

My father was by for a bit and he brought it up.  We rarely talk politics because of our differing views, but Dan is always willing to speak with him, which makes me VERY tense and they both know this, but they are being adults and respecting of each others opinions. When it begins to get heated, I have a safe word I can say and they both know there will be no further political discussion. 

I'll side with my father on one thing.  IF this story was about Donald Jr, Twitter and Facebook would not be limiting exposure of the article. 

The thing that bothers me is reading this morning that Twitter locked the account of Kayleigh McEnany for sharing an article about the Biden son from the New York Post.   On occasion I'll sit by our oldest and she'll show me stupid sh*t on her twitter page.  While flipping through the pages I see tons of shared articles.  So why now with this article?  It seems like censorship.   

I think that Twitter and Facebook will both be pulled into Washington over this.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 15, 2020, 02:05:31 PM

we'll see who's sad after the election.



With Biden in a double digit lead according to cnn, yes we will.

facebook & twitter & google all blocked access to or deleted accounts related to the breaking news about hunter bidens newly discovered   e-mails talking to foreign governments about arranging access to joe biden in exchange for millions of dollars and faked employment at a ukraine gas company to cover up his payoffs to gain access to his father joe biden.

i dont know why democrats want to be lied to or deceived or have info withheld from them, they are like literally sticking their head in the sand and dont seem to care if they are contributing to the damage to our country.,,in fact they seem to relish in anything anti-american or destructive or hateful or disgusting. they really are scum.


I was reading an article yesterday about facebook and twitter limiting access to the story.  It does seem odd. 

My father was by for a bit and he brought it up.  We rarely talk politics because of our differing views, but Dan is always willing to speak with him, which makes me VERY tense and they both know this, but they are being adults and respecting of each others opinions. When it begins to get heated, I have a safe word I can say and they both know there will be no further political discussion. 

I'll side with my father on one thing.  IF this story was about Donald Jr, Twitter and Facebook would not be limiting exposure of the article. 

The thing that bothers me is reading this morning that Twitter locked the account of Kayleigh McEnany for sharing an article about the Biden son from the New York Post.   On occasion I'll sit by our oldest and she'll show me stupid sh*t on her twitter page.  While flipping through the pages I see tons of shared articles.  So why now with this article?  It seems like censorship.   

I think that Twitter and Facebook will both be pulled into Washington over this.



I saw interviews with several congressmen and you are right,they will not only be pulled in ,they have done damage to many media platforms now because they are allowed safety from prosecution and certain rules governing media since they are supposed to be not taking sides and allowing freedom not acting like an opinion page, they have been pushing it with this for years but i'm afraid they clearly stepped over the line on this one...and the laws will be changed because of what they have been doing,...one bad apple(or several in this case)has ruined the batch.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 15, 2020, 02:46:38 PM
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on October 15, 2020, 03:06:49 PM
they really are scum.

Who’s the hater now?

(AP) BIDEN EXPLAINER: Looking to undermine rival Joe Biden just weeks before the election, Trump’s campaign has seized on a tabloid story offering bizarre twists to a familiar line of attack: Biden’s relationship with Ukraine. But the story in the New York Post raises more questions than answers, including about the authenticity of an email at the center of the story. The origins of the story also trace back to Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who has repeatedly pushed unfounded claims about Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Even if the emails in the Post are legitimate, they don’t validate Trump and Giuliani’s claims that Biden’s actions were influenced by his son’s business dealings in Ukraine.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 15, 2020, 03:34:07 PM


we'll see who's sad after the election.



With Biden in a double digit lead according to cnn, yes we will.

facebook & twitter & google all blocked access to or deleted accounts related to the breaking news about hunter bidens newly discovered   e-mails talking to foreign governments about arranging access to joe biden in exchange for millions of dollars and faked employment at a ukraine gas company to cover up his payoffs to gain access to his father joe biden.

i dont know why democrats want to be lied to or deceived or have info withheld from them, they are like literally sticking their head in the sand and dont seem to care if they are contributing to the damage to our country.,,in fact they seem to relish in anything anti-american or destructive or hateful or disgusting. they really are scum.


I was reading an article yesterday about facebook and twitter limiting access to the story.  It does seem odd. 

My father was by for a bit and he brought it up.  We rarely talk politics because of our differing views, but Dan is always willing to speak with him, which makes me VERY tense and they both know this, but they are being adults and respecting of each others opinions. When it begins to get heated, I have a safe word I can say and they both know there will be no further political discussion. 

I'll side with my father on one thing.  IF this story was about Donald Jr, Twitter and Facebook would not be limiting exposure of the article. 

The thing that bothers me is reading this morning that Twitter locked the account of Kayleigh McEnany for sharing an article about the Biden son from the New York Post.   On occasion I'll sit by our oldest and she'll show me stupid sh*t on her twitter page.  While flipping through the pages I see tons of shared articles.  So why now with this article?  It seems like censorship.   

I think that Twitter and Facebook will both be pulled into Washington over this.


[/quote]

Nick Pacilio, a senior communications manager at Twitter, announced in a tweet.“The original Tweet from [the Trump campaign] is in violation of the Twitter Rules" Pacilio served as Harris’ mouthpiece when she was the California attorney general. He served as her deputy press secretary for nearly three years, and her press secretary for one more.Pacilio’s Twitter bio describes him as a “Former [Kamala Harris] press sec.”
 the Twitter staffer who announced the video’s deletion was himself a former press secretary for now-Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.)...Biden’s vice-presidential running mate...coincidence?

why are the "woke" ones the ones who refuse to "wake-up" and see the corruption and crimes the dems have been committing for over 5 years now?
it's really sickening,I can't wait til they all end up in prison,from obama and hillary and biden and hunter all the way down to nancy pelosi and her 4-goon squad,...and their antifa terrorist wing.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 15, 2020, 03:54:39 PM
they really are scum.

Who’s the hater now?

(AP) BIDEN EXPLAINER: Looking to undermine rival Joe Biden just weeks before the election, Trump’s campaign has seized on a tabloid story offering bizarre twists to a familiar line of attack: Biden’s relationship with Ukraine. But the story in the New York Post raises more questions than answers, including about the authenticity of an email at the center of the story. The origins of the story also trace back to Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani, who has repeatedly pushed unfounded claims about Biden and his son, Hunter Biden. Even if the emails in the Post are legitimate, they don’t validate Trump and Giuliani’s claims that Biden’s actions were influenced by his son’s business dealings in Ukraine.

Who’s the hater now?

(eater) BIDEN EXPLAINER:   undermining his fathers presidential bid, hunter Biden, just weeks before the election, Hunter Loses his laptop containing e-mails about the Biden’s relationship with Ukraine. But the story in the New York Post raises more questions, Like why did twitter and facebook delete the story and links to it,hiding it from their democratic viewers? The story broke when the laptop repairman tried to give the evidence to several officials who were pro-biden and they wanted nothing to do with it leaving only one place the repairman could go to get the information out to the public- Rudy Giuliani, who has repeatedly tried to inform the public of the crimes Biden and his son committed, Hunter Biden in the emails released to the Post ,talks openly about peddling influence with his then vice-president father for MILLIONS. they are the smoking gun to prove Trump and Giuliani’s claims that Biden’s actions-getting investigators in ukraine fired for looking into corruption at his sons "employer" who gave hunter millions, were influenced by his son’s shady business dealings in Ukraine.

see how media twists things ..why do you insist on being bamboozeled?
wake up people.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on October 15, 2020, 04:47:32 PM

we'll see who's sad after the election.


With Biden in a double digit lead, yes we will.


facebook & twitter & google all blocked access to or deleted accounts related to the breaking news about hunter bidens newly discovered   e-mails talking to foreign governments about arranging access to joe biden in exchange for millions of dollars and faked employment at a ukraine gas company to cover up his payoffs to gain access to his father joe biden.


FYI, I just googled "hunter biden emails, and Google returned about 50 million hits, all to stories on every media imaginable about this specific issue -- including the NY Post story you've referred to in several posts you made this morning.




Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 16, 2020, 01:08:32 AM

we'll see who's sad after the election.


With Biden in a double digit lead, yes we will.


facebook & twitter & google all blocked access to or deleted accounts related to the breaking news about hunter bidens newly discovered   e-mails talking to foreign governments about arranging access to joe biden in exchange for millions of dollars and faked employment at a ukraine gas company to cover up his payoffs to gain access to his father joe biden.


FYI, I just googled "hunter biden emails, and Google returned about 50 million hits, all to stories on every media imaginable about this specific issue -- including the NY Post story you've referred to in several posts you made this morning.





yep, he's busted now...

ever try duckduckgo ? its not as biased in results as google, and they dont track you and sell your info
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 16, 2020, 10:53:18 PM
Mark Levin: Joe Biden a Nasty
Human Being Who Lied
His Way to Power


Levin, author of Unfreedom of the Press, and host of his eponymous radio show, BlazeTV’s LevinTV, and Fox News Channel’s Life, Liberty, and Levin, contrasted Biden’s character and record with those of President Donald Trump.

“Joe Biden has spent his long career in Washington, DC, coddling up to segregationists, doing the most awful things as a senator, trying to destroy the families and characters of men who’ve come up to serve this country, Robert Bork, Clarence Thomas, and others,” Levin said.

As senator, Biden chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee and led the Democrats’ campaign against Republican Supreme Court nominees.

“Joe Biden has been accused of rape by Tara Reade — rape — it’s what she’s accusing him of, and nobody cares. Meanwhile, anything that is said about the president results in some kind of a criminal investigation,” Levin added.

“Joe Biden is a very nasty human being. He always has been a very nasty human being. He has lied his way into power. He’s been a plagiarist. He has cheated on exams in law school. He has stolen words out of Robert Kennedy’s mouth. He is a man who is desperate to be President of the United States, and this is his third run,” Levin said.

A 1987 Associated Press report documented Biden’s lies about his academic record. According to the report, “Sen. Joe Biden claimed during a campaign appearance in New Hampshire last spring that he finished in the top half of his law school class, although records indicate he finished near the bottom.”

Biden also admitted to plagiarism in 1987. The Washington Post reported at the time, “An emotional Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (D-Del.) yesterday acknowledged he had plagiarized in a paper he submitted while a first-year law student in 1965, but defended his integrity and vowed to remain a candidate for his party’s presidential nomination.”

Levin identified Trump’s non-political history as an asset relative to Biden’s near-lifelong involvement in politics. He described Trump’s Twitter communications as reflective of the president’s genuineness.

“Donald Trump was not desperate to be President of the United States, and he comes out of the private sector,” Levin stated. “He remains an outsider. He’s stirring things up. We need things to be stirred up, and why does he tweet the way he tweets? Because he’s one of us, each one of us.”

Levin continued, “I tweet the way he tweets. Many times I talk the way he talks. People may not like it, but he’s not one of these rehearsed polished politicians. He is a down to earth guy who talks the way that most Americans talk, and he tweets the way most Americans think. I’m just being honest about it, and people may not like it, but so what?”

“And let’s look at his policies,” Levin said. “Look, I’m gonna be honest with you. He has been spectacularly successful, particularly given the fact that they’ve tried to destroy his presidency even before he became president, and he has a party — the Democrat party — that is doing everything they can to cripple him. So when you look at the stress he’s been under, the attack he’s been under, the party that he has faced, right now, he has been a spectacular president.”

Levin mocked political focus on Trump’s tweets as a priority consideration in determining one’s vote in the presidential election.

“To worry about tweets, to me, is so Mickey Mouse. It’s so absurd. The house is burning down and I’m worried, ‘Did I lock the front door? I don’t know if I locked the front door.’ The house is burning down,” Levin concluded.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on October 16, 2020, 11:49:34 PM

 “Joe Biden has spent his long career in Washington, DC, coddling up to segregationists...


That canard has been thoroughly debunked, through it's not surprising that Mark Levin, Joan, and eater insist on repeating it.

It's true that Joe Biden worked with Robert Byrd in the Senate. It's true that Robert Byrd joined the KKK in the 1940s, and once led a KKK chapter with 150 members. It's true that Byrd worked against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And it's true that Joe Biden offered a eulogy at Byrd's funeral in 2010, and referred to Byrd as a "friend," a "mentor," and a "guide."

But the part that Donald Trump and his minions deliberately omit, as they present this as shocking new information is that Joe Biden’s professional relationship with Robert Byrd is completely on the record, and visible for anyone to see, and it has been for a decade.

And that record omits the fact that in the late 1960s, Byrd completely -- and apologized for -- his words and action. He labeled his membership in the KKK as “an extraordinarily foolish mistake.” Byrd expanded upon this in his autobiography:

"My only explanation for the entire episode is that I was sorely afflicted with tunnel vision -- a jejune and immature outlook -- seeing only what I wanted to see because I thought the Klan could provide an outlet for my talents and ambitions."

By the time Biden first met Robert Byrd in 1973, Byrd had long since completely repudiated his previous stands. Biden did offer a eulogy at Byrd’s funder in 2010, but he praised Byrd as a legislator and a mentor.

More to the point, the president of the NAACP also spoke about Byrd when he died, proclaiming:

"Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation. Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act, and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country."

That describes the man whom Joe Biden considered a "friend" and "mentor."

I recognize that facts and reality have never stand in the way of right-wing propaganda. And I'll refrain pointing out that Donald Trump -- today, not 50-60 years ago -- coddles up with racists, white supremacists, KKK members, neo-Nazis, and white nationalists, and that he referred to them as "good people."



Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 17, 2020, 12:08:35 AM
"...coddles up with racists, white supremacists, KKK members, neo-Nazis, and white nationalists, and that he referred to them as "good people."

  Exactly when, do you believe President Trump, "coddles up with racists, white supremacists, KKK members neo-Nazis, and white nationalists, and that he referred to them as "good people" ?

  As you know, should know, must know, he rejected such people and was very clear about such rejection, during his remarks regarding the Charlottesville demonstration(s) and the comments regarding citizens who attended, and or supported, keeping the statuary "as is", as well as the citizens who attended, and remained civil, who opposed such statuary, and wished it's removal.

  A reading of the transcript of that day's remarks by the President, at the White House, in reply to Press Reporter's questions, is worth a read should you seek to see exactly what was said, when, by whom, rather than accepting the words of Media and Political misquotes, intentional misquotes of that day, which have become a 'mantra' for Democrat politicians since that day, and even into the first Presidential Election of 2020 debate, when that "intentional misquote" was worked into the question for President Trump, by the Debate Moderator, who there is NO DOUBT, KNEW the Quote, used in his question was a LIE...

  So, apart from the Charlotesville supposed "quote", Exactly when, do you believe President Trump, "coddles up with racists, white supremacists, KKK members neo-Nazis, and white nationalists, and that he referred to them as "good people" ?

  Thank you, MissBarbara, for your input, and reply.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 17, 2020, 12:53:13 AM
Remarks by President Trump on Saturday, 8/12/2017, during the Charlottesville Demonstration, while it was being dispersed. The News Conference was called to bring attention to the Veterans Administration, and the Charlottesville event led the conference:

"Thank you very much. As you know, this was a small press conference, but a very important one. And it was scheduled to talk about the great things that we're doing with the secretary on the Veterans Administration. And we will talk about that very much so in a little while. But I thought I should put out a comment as to what's going on in Charlottesville. So, again, I want to thank everybody for being here -- in particular I want to thank our incredible veterans. And thank you, fellows. Let me shake your hands. … Great people. They’re great people.

"But we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Va.. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time.

"I just got off the phone with the governor of Virginia, Terry Mcauliffe, and we agree that the hate and the division must stop, and must stop right now. We have to come together as Americans with love for our nation and true -- really, I say this so strongly, true affection for each other. Our country is doing very well in so many ways. We have record, just absolute record, employment. We have unemployment the lowest it's been in almost 17 years. We have companies pouring into our country, Foxconn and car companies and so many others. They're coming back to our country. We're renegotiating trade deals to make them great for our country and great for the American worker. We have so many incredible things happening in our country, so when I watch Charlottesville, to me it's very, very sad.

"I want to salute the great work of the state and local police in Virginia. Incredible people, law enforcement, incredible people. And also the National Guard. They've really been working smart and working hard. They've been doing a terrific job. Federal authorities are also providing tremendous support to the governor; he thanked me for that. And we are here to provide whatever other assistance is need. We are ready, willing and able.

"Above all else, we must remember this truth, no matter our color, creed, religion or political party, we are all Americans first. We love our country. We love our God. We love our flag. We're proud of our country. We're proud of who we are. So, we want to get the situation straightened out in Charlottesville, and we want to study it. And we want to see what we're doing wrong as a country where things like this can happen. My administration is restoring the sacred bonds of loyalty between this nation and its citizens, but our citizens must also restore the bonds of trust and loyalty between one another. We must love each other, respect each other and cherish our history and our future together. So important. We have to respect each other. Ideally we have to love each other.

"And now to the Veteran's Administration where I'm so proud of (Veterans Affairs Secretary) David Shulkin and the job you've done. What you've done in such a short period of time, I think you folks would attest to it. …"
https://www.politifact.com/article/2017/aug/14/context-president-donald-trumps-saturday-statement/

On 8/14/2017 further remarks, as well as on 8/15/2017, more remarks on this topic went on to specifically address hate groups, by name for some of them, and to clarify for any who may not have understood the remarks of 8/12/2017 which occurred prior to a more complete grasp of the event which occurred that day in Charlottesville.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 17, 2020, 02:03:05 AM
funny everything about biden is a canard...but the wildest unlikely and oftentimes impossible statements about trump are "rock solid proven beyond a doubt" info from 'a source' :roll:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 17, 2020, 10:58:07 AM
Biden's ABC town hall questioners
include former Obama speechwriter,
wife of former Pennsylvania Dem candidate


Former Obama-Biden administration speechwriter among questioners at ABC town hall
Tyler OlsonBy Tyler Olson | Fox News

Two of the questioners at the ABC town hall featuring Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden on Thursday had ties to high-profile Democrats, including one questioner who previously worked as a speechwriter in the Obama administration.

The queries came as President Trump, hundreds of miles away, was engaging in his own parallel town hall being aired on NBC. The ABC town hall was hosted by George Stephanopoulos, who was a communications director for the Bill Clinton White House and who has been a political journalist since 2002.

One of the questioners at the ABC-hosted event was Nathan Osburn, a former speechwriter for the Obama White House. Osburn specifically worked for the Office of Public Affairs at the Commerce Department under the Obama-Biden administration and at the Small Business Administration.

BIDEN MOVES ON COURT PACKING STANCE, WHILE TRUMP SPARS WITH NBC IN DUELING TOWN HALLS

Osburn's profession was listed as "communications" on the ABC town hall graphic and his city was listed as Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Osburn was quoted in the Philadelphia Inquirer earlier this year as "a former Obama administration speechwriter" who had created a "Philly for Pete group" aimed at boosting former Democratic presidential primary candidate Pete Buttigieg. And the LGBTQ Victory Institute listed Osburn as a senior speechwriter for the Small Business Administration in an article praising the Obama-Biden administration for its LGBTQ hiring practices.

"Amy Coney Barrett's being pushed through at the last minute, even though millions have already voted. So what do you think about ideas from people like Pete Buttigieg and others to put in place safeguards that will help ensure more long-term balance and stability?" Osburn asked Biden. "And what do you say to LGBTQ Americans and others who are very worried right now about erosions of their rights and our democracy as a whole?"

Biden, during the exchange that followed that question, was asked point-blank by Stephanopoulos whether voters deserve to know his stance on court-packing, and Biden reversed his previous stance of refusing to say what that position is before Election Day. He told the moderator that he would take a specific stand on that issue depending on how Republicans handle the ongoing confirmation effort of Supreme Court nominee Amy Coney Barrett.

Another questioner at the town hall was Mieke Haeck, who ABC presented as a physical therapist from State College, Pa.

'UNDECIDED VOTERS' AT NBC'S BIDEN TOWN HALL WERE FEATURED ON MSNBC AS BIDEN VOTERS

Haeck is also the wife of Ezra Nanes, a high-profile Democrat in Pennsylvania who in 2018 ran a campaign challenging Republican state Senate Majority Leader Jake Corman. Nanes is currently an at-large member of the Centre County Democratic Committee. Centre County is the county in which State College resides.

"My youngest daughter is transgender. The Trump administration has attacked the rights of transgender people, banning them from military service, weakening nondiscrimination protections and even removing the word 'transgender' from some government websites," Haeck said. "How will you as president reverse this dangerous and discriminatory agenda and ensure that the lives and rights of LGBTQ people are protected under U.S. law?"

"I will flat out just change the law," Biden responded.

The Democrat-tied questioners at the ABC town hall follow controversy earlier this month surrounding a Biden town hall held on NBC, which on Thursday was carrying the forum with Trump.

The Washington Free Beacon reported on Oct. 6 that two attendees who were identified as undecided voters at an NBC town hall with Biden had previously been shown on NBC's sister network, MSNBC, as Biden supporters.

When reached for comment about the participants with Democratic ties, ABC News directed Fox News to comments made by Stephanopoulos at the beginning of the event. 

"And they're a group of -- some are voting for [Biden], some have said they're voting for President Trump, some are still undecided, and we're going to try to take questions from as many as we can tonight," Stephanopoulos told viewers. 

ABC News declined additional comment.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-town-hall-questioners-former-obama-speechwriter-wife-pennsylvania-democrat
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 17, 2020, 01:21:31 PM
doubt the mainstrem media will inform the voters of these scams
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 17, 2020, 01:48:07 PM
Coming soon for viewing by YOU:

Don't miss it, for your own future...[/color]
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on October 17, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
From the makers of Clinton Cash, which was thouroughly debunked.   Now the right-wing mud-slinging machine is at it again.  The slime just oozes out of Joan's post.  :roll:
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: joan1984 on October 17, 2020, 09:38:48 PM
From the makers of Clinton Cash, which was thouroughly debunked.   Now the right-wing mud-slinging machine is at it again.  The slime just oozes out of Joan's post.  :roll:

  Who did the debunking, and when? Specifics if you can. TY
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on October 17, 2020, 10:12:24 PM
The good news is, it’s almost over. And there’s gonna be such a backlash afterwards. I really worry for our nation. I think all of the GOP victims are going to turn on Trump, and blame him for everything that’s wrong with the party. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

(https://i.imgur.com/5G5wMZ3.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on October 18, 2020, 01:49:39 AM
From the makers of Clinton Cash, which was thouroughly debunked.   Now the right-wing mud-slinging machine is at it again.  The slime just oozes out of Joan's post.  :roll:

  Who did the debunking, and when? Specifics if you can. TY

https://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/26/clinton-cash-crushed-facts-author-admits-evidence-clinton-crimes.html

https://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/a-false-corruption-claim/

https://www.politicususa.com/2015/04/25/republican-clinton-cash-scandal-collapses-book-released.html

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/apr/26/peter-schweizer/fact-checking-clinton-cash-author-claim-about-bill/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/

https://www.mediamatters.org/peter-schweizer/twenty-plus-errors-fabrications-and-distortions-peter-schweizers-clinton-cash

The above is from the first page of my Google Search, there were 76,200 results.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on October 18, 2020, 07:52:24 PM
The good news is, it’s almost over. And there’s gonna be such a backlash afterwards. I really worry for our nation. I think all of the GOP victims are going to turn on Trump, and blame him for everything that’s wrong with the party. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

(https://i.imgur.com/5G5wMZ3.jpg)

I wonder what other nation would take him?  He's sure to choose a country that does not have an extradition agreement with the United States.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on October 18, 2020, 08:41:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/AGQ4xpu.gif)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on October 20, 2020, 03:37:14 AM
As a scientist, I approve this message.


(https://i.imgur.com/qRTs0dQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on October 20, 2020, 04:53:35 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CmMNRI9.jpg)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: xXshepXx on October 20, 2020, 07:58:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CmMNRI9.jpg)

Those Covid-19 hoax believers belong to the same group as the moon landing deniers though. So they'll never believe in science anyway.
Which is a kinda funny paradox, because whenever those guys try to defend their "fuck yeah 'murrica" superiority to us "Yuropoors", they come up with the argument "Guess, who landed on the moon."
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Hoss on October 20, 2020, 08:12:51 AM
The good news is, it’s almost over. And there’s gonna be such a backlash afterwards. I really worry for our nation. I think all of the GOP victims are going to turn on Trump, and blame him for everything that’s wrong with the party. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

(https://i.imgur.com/5G5wMZ3.jpg)

I wonder what other nation would take him?  He's sure to choose a country that does not have an extradition agreement with the United States.

Currently, Australia's borders for International visitors (apart from NZ) are closed due to Covit...so we are safe!!! :-* :-*
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on October 20, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
I think all of the GOP victims are going to turn on Trump, and blame him for everything that’s wrong with the party. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

That's exactly what my very Republican father said on Sunday during his visit at our house.   I hadn't thought of it, but yes, everybody will start the distancing process on Nov 4 if he loses.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on October 20, 2020, 09:55:28 PM
I think all of the GOP victims are going to turn on Trump, and blame him for everything that’s wrong with the party. It’s going to be a bloodbath.

That's exactly what my very Republican father said on Sunday during his visit at our house.   I hadn't thought of it, but yes, everybody will start the distancing process on Nov 4 if he loses.

It’s kind a like an odd story of Frankenstein. When the Koch brothers funded the tea party back in 2009, they thought they could energize the party, and fight back gains made by Obama and the democratic party.  They had no clue they were creating this wild bunch of people you didn’t hear much from before, who immediately began to make additional demands, to vote out traditional Republicans, and change the face of the republican party to something that no one ever envisioned it being in the first place. Now they’re left with this huge mess of angry white under educated voters, that are beyond redemption, a basket full of deplorable’s, and I don’t know that the Republican party can do to regroup to the traditional conservative model. I think we’re going to continue to see one demagogue after another pushed to the front. I predict it will take three or four election cycles to sort all this out. It’s not going to end on November 3.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on October 21, 2020, 08:46:40 PM
Wall Street Journal
October 21, 2020

This week I went to the polls in Texas. Truth be told, I am a pro-life, pro-Second Amendment, small-government, strong-defense and a national-anthem-standing conservative. But, I also believe that black lives matter, that the Dreamers deserve a path to citizenship, that diversity and inclusion are essential to our national success, that education is the great equalizer, that climate change is real and that the First Amendment is the cornerstone of our democracy. Most important, I believe that America must lead in the world with courage, conviction and a sense of honor and humility.

If we remain indifferent to our role in the world, if we retreat from our obligation to our citizens and our allies and if we fail to choose the right leader, then we will pay the highest price for our neglect and shortsightedness.

I voted for Joe Biden.

Ret. Admiral William McRaven, commander of U.S. Special Operations Command, 2011-14.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on October 22, 2020, 12:05:45 AM
Btw, I voted by mail 2 weeks ago.  Since a check I sent across the country the same day was cashed a week ago, I figure Trump didn’t sabotage the U.S. Post Office sufficiently to stop my ballot from arriving in time to be +1 for Biden.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on October 22, 2020, 12:09:35 AM
Btw, I voted by mail 2 weeks ago.  Since a check I sent across the country the same day was cashed a week ago, I figure Trump didn’t sabotage the U.S. Post Office sufficiently to stop my ballot from arriving in time to be +1 for Biden.

But aren't you going to wait until after the debate?   Something might be said to change your mind.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on October 22, 2020, 12:27:02 AM
States across the country are setting records for early voting Jules.  There’s a reason for that.  It’s an emergency.  I voted as soon as I could to make sure my vote counted.  Many are so concerned about their mail in ballot being rejected for a trivial technicality, they are voting in person early.  I lay awake at night thinking to myself, did I do everything right, did I sign everything, did I make sure I filled in that Biden/Harris oval in a way to be sure to be counted?

Am I sure Jules?  Yes, I’m sure I chose the right candidate for President of the United States.  The debate tomorrow night will be another fiasco, but that won’t be Biden’s fault.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MintJulie on October 22, 2020, 12:29:04 AM
States across the country are setting records for early voting Jules.  There’s a reason for that.  It’s an emergency.  I voted as soon as I could to make sure my vote counted.  Many are so concerned about their mail in ballot being rejected for a trivial technicality, they are voting in person early.  I lay awake at night thinking to myself, did I do everything right, did I sign everything, did I make sure I filled in that Biden/Harris oval in a way to be sure to be counted?

Am I sure Jules?  Yes, I’m sure I chose the right candidate for President of the United States.  The debate tomorrow night will be another fiasco, but that won’t be Biden’s fault.

I know, goof.  I was joking.  ;).  My sarcasm didn't reflect there
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Jed_ on October 22, 2020, 12:33:22 AM
I figured Jules.  I was preaching to the choir.  But since I sit every day in my own house barely interacting with any human beings, I still feel the need to proselytize.  Who knows, perhaps I can get joan, eater and gunnerman to come into the light of reason and reject the Trumpism insanity that has become the Republican Party.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on October 22, 2020, 06:52:14 PM
I voted two weeks ago by mail.  In the case of Trump, there is nothing that could be revealed about Biden that would stop me voting against Trump.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on October 24, 2020, 04:08:33 PM
i waited to hear all the evidence first...i'd never want to convict the wrong guy for crimes the other guy actually did
 ;D
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: HppyHrryHrdn on November 02, 2020, 01:19:54 AM
Since I voted for Neil Boortz this only matters if you are thinking of voting for Biden.  What is detailed in this interview will make Joe kowtow to the left and have him always looking over his shoulder.

https://youtu.be/2zLfBRgeFFo (https://youtu.be/2zLfBRgeFFo)
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: Lois on November 02, 2020, 03:10:08 AM
Don't believe stuff you hear on Fox News.  They live in an alteranative reality.  Biden will be a centrist President.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: eater on November 02, 2020, 09:57:49 AM
Don't believe stuff you hear on Fox News.  They live in an alteranative reality.  Biden will be a centrist President.

Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: _priapism on November 07, 2020, 05:49:52 PM
Biden wins White House, pledging new direction forward divided nation

BY JONATHAN LEMIRE AND ZEKE MILLER
21 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrat Joe Biden defeated President Donald Trump to become the 46th president of the United States on Saturday, positioning himself to lead a nation gripped by historic pandemic and a confluence of economic and social turmoil.

His victory came after more than three days of uncertainty as election officials sorted through a surge of mail-in votes that delayed the processing of some ballots. Biden crossed 270 Electoral College votes with a win in Pennsylvania.
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: MissBarbara on November 07, 2020, 06:00:03 PM

Biden wins White House, pledging new direction forward divided nation

BY JONATHAN LEMIRE AND ZEKE MILLER
21 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrat Joe Biden defeated President Donald Trump to become the 46th president of the United States on Saturday, positioning himself to lead a nation gripped by historic pandemic and a confluence of economic and social turmoil.

His victory came after more than three days of uncertainty as election officials sorted through a surge of mail-in votes that delayed the processing of some ballots. Biden crossed 270 Electoral College votes with a win in Pennsylvania.


Exactly.

And this thread title now needs to be changed to: "Joe Biden Is President, 2020."



Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: _priapism on November 07, 2020, 06:02:09 PM
It’s been changed in keeping with our traditional threads for individual politicians. So welcome to “The Biden thread: All things Joe.”
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: msslave on November 07, 2020, 08:45:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YzpmmsD.jpg)
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: Jed_ on November 08, 2020, 01:08:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/GOVsNih.jpg)


A White House returning to normal is one where the President has a pet that isn’t William Barr or Lindsey Graham.
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: Shiela_M on November 08, 2020, 01:12:39 AM
Major.  He is such a beautiful dog, and will be the first rescue to live in the White House.
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: Jed_ on November 08, 2020, 03:44:58 AM
Major.  He is such a beautiful dog, and will be the first rescue to live in the White House.

There’s 2!  I knew this was my president.


(https://i.imgur.com/eQ2i98e.jpg)
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: msslave on November 08, 2020, 02:30:01 PM
I voted against Trump, not for Biden. As a former Republican, it was hard, but Trump needed to be stopped before he did any more damage.

Last night I watched as our President-elect addressed the nation.
Holy Crap! I was impressed... this from a jaded old man who's seen several President's come and go. I'm much more optimistic for this country under the leadership of President Biden. He made it clear he's already at work to take charge of the tasks ahead of him.

As to our Vice President-elect, I'm also impressed. I watched almost no campaign coverage. Last night was the first I'd seen of her. Joe made a great choice and I feel he will work her harder than any other Veep.

Sadly, Trumpism is still alive. I hope that will dwindle as the country sees what a sane person in the White House can achieve.
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: Hoss on November 08, 2020, 09:57:54 PM
I voted against Trump, not for Biden. As a former Republican, it was hard, but Trump needed to be stopped before he did any more damage.

Last night I watched as our President-elect addressed the nation.
Holy Crap! I was impressed... this from a jaded old man who's seen several President's come and go. I'm much more optimistic for this country under the leadership of President Biden. He made it clear he's already at work to take charge of the tasks ahead of him.

As to our Vice President-elect, I'm also impressed. I watched almost no campaign coverage. Last night was the first I'd seen of her. Joe made a great choice and I feel he will work her harder than any other Veep.


Sadly, Trumpism is still alive. I hope that will dwindle as the country sees what a sane person in the White House can achieve.

I agree with everything you have said - it's almost as if I wrote the script myself.
 Not being a "Yank" I speak with limited authority but have followed the recent events closely in that they will have an impact on  many other countries in the world. In Aust. I am a long term Liberal Party voter, so what you said resonates with what my experiences were. :D :roll:
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Lois on November 22, 2020, 01:38:46 AM
As President Elect Biden prepares his transition team, he's appointed a former lobbyist  that helped a big corporation work around EPA regulations  so they could pollute.  This has generated a great deal of correspondence objecting to this man's involvement.  Hopefully President Biden will listen.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: watcher1 on November 25, 2020, 03:42:17 PM
I think president-elect Biden is off to a good start in naming who will fill key posts. Bright men and women, mostly moderates, and more representative of what our country looks like.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 03, 2020, 06:20:38 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0ITXLFJ.jpg)


That about sums up the detachment from reality.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: _priapism on December 03, 2020, 08:09:13 PM
What do you think of Biden's cabinet picks?

It's weird.

Not one of Biden's picks are named Biden.

Not one of them is married to a Biden.

Not one of them has been convicted of criminal activity.

Not one of them were even accused of defrauding a charity, for God's sake!

And, on the other hand, they all bring a ton of experience relevant to their jobs!

I mean, not even pooty Hunter! For all the noise about him during the campaign, you'd think he'd at least get a position as a senior White House advisor, but no! His name hasn't even been in the news once since the election!

I dunno man, this all seems very fishy to me…
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on December 03, 2020, 08:15:01 PM
I agree Toe...hell of a way to run a railroad. :roll:

For all the great progress President Biden is making, nearly half the country is ready to oppose him. And I not even mentioning the Senate.

Come on Georgia... do a big flip on those last two seats.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 05, 2020, 02:21:41 AM
Trump is now saying Biden can’t be president because just like Obama he wasn’t born in the U.S.  He’s from Vulcan.



(https://i.imgur.com/9Aq0B4H.jpg)


OK, just a joke.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 11, 2020, 05:56:28 PM
Hey crooked Donny, how about this bite in your lyin’ ass!



(https://i.imgur.com/SvbsUlY.jpg)
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Sweetums on December 11, 2020, 07:14:57 PM
I agree Toe...hell of a way to run a railroad. :roll:

Yes, and after Trump did all that amazing work to bring us within a sliver of the apocalypse, making America as great again as it was billions of years ago before plants and animals evolved to live on land. Sad. I for one was looking forward to a post-apocalyptic hellscape where the few surviving terrified humans are hunted to extinction by viscious rape gangs fetooned with corporate logos. Ah, so near. So near!

Well, there's always 2024. And four years after that. And four years after that. I love you, Citizen's United.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on December 11, 2020, 10:03:27 PM

Hey crooked Donny, how about this bite in your lyin’ ass!

(https://i.imgur.com/SvbsUlY.jpg)



To be fair:

(https://i.imgur.com/lPcczLQ.jpg)



Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 11, 2020, 10:51:15 PM

Hey crooked Donny, how about this bite in your lyin’ ass!

(https://i.imgur.com/SvbsUlY.jpg)



To be fair:

(https://i.imgur.com/lPcczLQ.jpg)







To be fair:


(https://i.imgur.com/XItwSen.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/ngPmEHF.jpg)


Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on December 13, 2020, 01:06:47 AM

Hey crooked Donny, how about this bite in your lyin’ ass!

(https://i.imgur.com/SvbsUlY.jpg)



To be fair:

(https://i.imgur.com/lPcczLQ.jpg)







To be fair:


(https://i.imgur.com/XItwSen.jpg)



(https://i.imgur.com/ngPmEHF.jpg)





Are you equating Biden and Harris with Hitler and Stalin?



Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Shiela_M on December 13, 2020, 01:37:30 AM
Thinking it's more of a "If Hitler and Stalin, could be person of the year, why not Trump". Statement.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: watcher1 on December 13, 2020, 04:30:56 PM
Time has put people of questionable character on their Person of the Year editions. If someone generates enough publicity, good or bad, Time weighs that in their selection process. Trump, being the narcissist that he is, keeps his name in the news and will keep up his shameful actions after he finally leaves the Oval office.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: joan1984 on December 15, 2020, 07:55:19 PM
  The Electors have voted, and Democrat Ticket Biden/Harris have the Majority, and sufficient Electoral Votes. The results are Official, by this action, and JoeBiden/KamalaHarris will become President/V.Pres on January 20, 2021.

  Congratulations, all who supported, and/or voted for Biden/Harris!
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 15, 2020, 11:58:27 PM
Thinking it's more of a "If Hitler and Stalin, could be person of the year, why not Trump". Statement.


Yes it was my dear.  Well that, and initially pointing out someone was obsessed with being Time person of the year, and it wasn’t Biden or Harris.  I’m almost certain Time did it to troll Tump.

And MissB is hardly clueless of any of that.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on December 16, 2020, 03:55:41 PM

Thinking it's more of a "If Hitler and Stalin, could be person of the year, why not Trump". Statement.


Yes it was my dear.  Well that, and initially pointing out someone was obsessed with being Time person of the year, and it wasn’t Biden or Harris.  I’m almost certain Time did it to troll Tump.

And MissB is hardly clueless of any of that.


You're right, I'm fully aware of that.

The main point is that Trump was, undoubtedly and unarguably, the Person of the Year in 2016, and Time was absolutely correct in choosing him.

Still, comparing Trump with Hitler and Stalin is frankly silly. There are frankly zero bases of comparison between them. And at this point, ranting about Trump is very old news. In case you missed it, Biden won the 2020 election, fair and square, and by a significant majority in both the popular and electoral voting. Trump will no longer be president beginning on January 20th -- no matter what he and his supporters say.

Watcher writes:


Time has put people of questionable character on their Person of the Year editions. If someone generates enough publicity, good or bad, Time weighs that in their selection process. Trump, being the narcissist that he is, keeps his name in the news and will keep up his shameful actions after he finally leaves the Oval office.


It's not the "Saint of the Year Award" or the ""Moral Beacon of the Year Award," and questions of character are beside the point. And it has little to do with "publicity" and everything to do with newsworthiness and impact. Trump's election, like it or not, had enormous impact, and his election continues to reverberate today, four years later.

In fact, in 2001, Time chose NYC Mayor Rudy Giuliani as Person of the Year, for the way he "handled" the 9/11 attacks. There was a strong backlash against that choice, both because Giuliani didn't really do anything, and because Osama Bin Laden -- a man of "questionable character" if there ever was one! -- had a far greater national and global impact then our hapless mayor.

I'm sure I'm far from alone in wanting to tell Republicans, "You lost, so move on." Perhaps its time we take our own advice and admit, "We won, so move on."



Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 16, 2020, 05:20:49 PM


Still, comparing Trump with Hitler and Stalin is frankly silly. There are frankly zero bases of comparison between them. And at this point, ranting about Trump is very old news.




Many years ago I read in Guns & Ammo magazine of all places an author stating (and I’m paraphrasing here), ‘You can tell who is losing an argument, because they’re the first to make comparisons to Hitler or Nazis.’

That said, just because Trump had his authoritative instincts ‘mostly’ thwarted doesn’t mean the comparison has no merit.  He tried to sic the DOJ on Hillary, Joe and Obama for imagined ‘crimes’ among countless other authoritative actions.

And as much as we wish it, he and his Trumptards aren’t going away for a very long time and will continue to damage and divide the country.  It won’t be ‘old news’ for a long time I’m afraid.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on December 16, 2020, 08:32:26 PM

Still, comparing Trump with Hitler and Stalin is frankly silly. There are frankly zero bases of comparison between them. And at this point, ranting about Trump is very old news.



Many years ago I read in Guns & Ammo magazine of all places an author stating (and I’m paraphrasing here), ‘You can tell who is losing an argument, because they’re the first to make comparisons to Hitler or Nazis.’

That said, just because Trump had his authoritative instincts ‘mostly’ thwarted doesn’t mean the comparison has no merit.  He tried to sic the DOJ on Hillary, Joe and Obama for imagined ‘crimes’ among countless other authoritative actions.

And as much as we wish it, he and his Trumptards aren’t going away for a very long time and will continue to damage and divide the country.  It won’t be ‘old news’ for a long time I’m afraid.


At the risk of splitting hairs, you outlined what Trump wanted to do and tried to do, and not what he did. "Authoritative instincts" notwithstanding, he failed.

Hitler, or any other dictator worth his salt, would not have abided by or been thwarted by the law; he would have simply arrested and executed Hillary, Biden, and Obama. He would have cancelled the 2020 election, and he would have suspended Congress, and disestablished the Supreme Court. And a cabinet member who disagreed with him wouldn't have been fired, he or she would have faced a firing squad.




Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 16, 2020, 09:30:09 PM
He failed largely due to how incredibly incompetent he was and is.  He tapped into something, something that is not going away just because he lost.  There are surely others taking notes that may not be as incompetent.

It’s pretty unlikely, I’ll grant you that.  Doesn’t mean we should let our guard down.  And I see nothing exaggerated or wrong about drawing parallels between Proud Boys brawling in the streets and burning Black Lives Matters banners from black churches and Brownshirts from the 1920s.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on December 17, 2020, 04:37:51 PM

It’s pretty unlikely, I’ll grant you that.  Doesn’t mean we should let our guard down.  And I see nothing exaggerated or wrong about drawing parallels between Proud Boys brawling in the streets and burning Black Lives Matters banners from black churches and Brownshirts from the 1920s.


Really?

You see no difference between a group of no more than 100-200 active members burning banners and an organized and government-sanctioned gangs of hundreds of thousands of men roaming the streets and committing murders?





Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 17, 2020, 05:41:24 PM

It’s pretty unlikely, I’ll grant you that.  Doesn’t mean we should let our guard down.  And I see nothing exaggerated or wrong about drawing parallels between Proud Boys brawling in the streets and burning Black Lives Matters banners from black churches and Brownshirts from the 1920s.


Really?

You see no difference between a group of no more than 100-200 active members burning banners and an organized and government-sanctioned gangs of hundreds of thousands of men roaming the streets and committing murders?





I said ‘parallels’, not that there were no differences.  And I was referring to the Brownshirts before Hitler rose to power in 1933 (said 1920s), so not government sanctioned.  But Trump flying over the MAGAs that included his fervent supporters the Proud Boys to show support does actually does come off as government sanctioned.

And burning racial equality banners and burning books, po-tay-to po-tah-to.

Yeah I know, I’m a bit obsessed and Trump lives rent free in my head.  I just can’t relax my mind until he really is gone.  There’s so much potential for violence out there.  I do want this feeling of dread and anxiety to go away, hope it’s soon.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on December 17, 2020, 05:55:15 PM

I said ‘parallels’, not that there were no differences.  And I was referring to the Brownshirts before Hitler rose to power in 1933 (said 1920s), so not government sanctioned.  But Trump flying over the MAGAs that included his fervent supporters the Proud Boys to show support does actually does come off as government sanctioned.

And burning racial equality banners and burning books, po-tay-to po-tah-to.

Yeah I know, I’m a bit obsessed and Trump lives rent free in my head.  I just can’t relax my mind until he really is gone.  There’s so much potential for violence out there.  I do want this feeling of dread and anxiety to go away, hope it’s soon.


Actually the comparison was between burning racial equality banners and murdering with impunity. I could be wrong, but the bases of comparison between these two actions seem few and far between to me.

As I said, Trump will go away only after you let him. Obsessing over what could or might happen is not the best way to do that.







Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 17, 2020, 06:49:09 PM
The Biden signs appeared in Oct and were down right after the election, because we’re not a dangerous cult.  The Trump signs and flags have only increased in abundance these last 5 years.  Not a single person that I can tell has removed them here now more than a month after Biden was declared the winner.  They still believe he’s going to be president for another 4 years and cannot contemplate any other option.  Their irrationality smacks me in the face every time I leave the house even before I get off my street.  I expect it isn’t that prevalent in NYC.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on December 17, 2020, 08:13:28 PM

The Biden signs appeared in Oct and were down right after the election, because we’re not a dangerous cult.  The Trump signs and flags have only increased in abundance these last 5 years.  Not a single person that I can tell has removed them here now more than a month after Biden was declared the winner.  They still believe he’s going to be president for another 4 years and cannot contemplate any other option.  Their irrationality smacks me in the face every time I leave the house even before I get off my street.  I expect it isn’t that prevalent in NYC.


You're right: Trump lawn signs are not prevalent in New York City. But that's chiefly because there are very few lawns.

But Trump voters -- or at least, Republican voters -- are far from rare here. Trump received more than 600,000 votes in New York City, and while he only won about 30% of the votes cast city-wide, 600,000 is far from a tiny number. I also know a number of people elsewhere, including family members, who are Republicans and who voted for Trump.

As for the lawn signs, the fact that they're still up does not necessarily mean that these people believed that Trump legitimately won the election, or that he will begin a second term in January. The Fuck-You Factor (and that's the correct academic political science term, by the way) looms largely with these people. Besides, I still wear my Cubs World Series t-shirt -- even though they won the World Series four years ago!

Okay, that analogy doesn't really work.

You're right: It has been clearly known since November 7 -- well over a month ago -- that Biden won the popular vote and that Biden would win the electoral vote. And all assertions to the contrary are, at best, fantasies.

Fantasies can be entertaining (or, in the case of some KB erotic fiction, highly arousing), but we know the difference between real life and fantasy.





Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Lois on December 18, 2020, 03:24:26 PM
I still feel much more calm now that Biden was elected.  It will be nice to have someone in office I don't have to fear will do everything stupid.

Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 23, 2020, 01:29:46 AM
So I’m in Barnes & Noble looking at the non-fiction new releases and 2 books out of dozens are turned so you see the back with writing and no obvious clue as to their content.  Both books were Joe Biden biographies.  Jeez, if I were this person, I would have turned the ones about their Dear Leader, since not a single one of those was flattering.

I guess the only real surprise here was this person was in a bookstore.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on December 26, 2020, 05:13:38 PM
I want to go to the inauguration.  I’ve never been to one, and none are more special and more important than the inauguration of Joe Biden as the 46th POTUS.  But riding on the metro and being in a crowd even with us all masked is still a risk my Peruvian has been having a fit about.  So I guess I’ll stay home and throw a party of two.


(https://i.imgur.com/P2BD6Zh.gif)
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Lois on December 27, 2020, 11:02:58 PM
Not really the best time to go to DC anyway.  There is likely to be bad weather.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on January 18, 2021, 04:56:12 PM
Just a little over 70 hours before we actually have a President again. I'm hopeful President Biden's ready to begin working to repair the damages of the last four years.

Still there's so many mindless Trumptards still out there. My hope is that the media just ignore or at least downplay their brainless static. Without the attention I feel they'll get bored and fade away.

I think Trump will be kept busy with pending criminal charges, financial problems and maybe an impeachment trial. He was on his way to making America into a third world banana republic. Someone should remind him that in those countries he would have been taken out and shot.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: _priapism on January 19, 2021, 07:01:01 AM
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Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on January 19, 2021, 02:59:20 PM
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Yes, 1 more day.  This time tomorrow Trump should be in flight between DC and Florida and Biden preparing to be sworn in.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on January 19, 2021, 04:41:18 PM
In November, I voted against Trump, not for President Biden. If I could do a rewind, I'd be voting for Joe.

What will we get tomorrow?

A President who is prepared to take office and start to work on day one. He and his staff have been preparing in spite of the non-cooperation of loser trump and his administration of toady's. Some of President Biden's first acts will be to reverse a lot of the loser's crap.

A virus that has raged for a year will be met head on and not poo-pooed away by our former non-leader. If Congress responds (big if) much more relief will help suffering Americans impacted by Covid.

Also we are going to have a VP who will show leadership ability and not spend so much time bent over with lips attached to the president's butt. Go Kamala.

Finally a First Lady who, while continuing in her profession, will no doubt help the President and be a representative of the USA.

Oh yeah...dogs. We'll have dogs in the White House again.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: joan1984 on January 19, 2021, 07:40:03 PM

Yes, 1 more day.  This time tomorrow Trump should be in flight between DC and Florida and Biden preparing to be sworn in.

10AM tomorrow, President Trump will be at Andrews AFB, getting the 21 Gun Salute, honored as the outgoing President of the United States, and outgoing Commander in Chief, of the United States Armed Forces, which is the President's due, of course.

Not sure whether he will leave by Motorcade for JointBase Andrews, or by Marine 1 from the White House Lawn, just have not seen the details yet for his last day as our President. No matter...
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on January 20, 2021, 01:30:34 AM

Yes, 1 more day.  This time tomorrow Trump should be in flight between DC and Florida and Biden preparing to be sworn in.

10AM tomorrow, President Trump will be at Andrews AFB, getting the 21 Gun Salute, honored as the outgoing President of the United States, and outgoing Commander in Chief, of the United States Armed Forces, which is the President's due, of course.

Not sure whether he will leave by Motorcade for JointBase Andrews, or by Marine 1 from the White House Lawn, just have not seen the details yet for his last day as our President. No matter...


21 guns, more than needed to shoot the few that accepted the invitation to be there.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: joan1984 on January 20, 2021, 02:31:50 AM
3 volleys by 7 rifles... Most of those invited will be there.

Some RINOs, and others not invited very publicly declined, when queried by MSM, as is predictable.

Melania Trump will be there, Baron Trump will be there, Ivanka and Jarred will be there, which is what pleases President Trump. Americans will be there, of course.


Yes, 1 more day.  This time tomorrow Trump should be in flight between DC and Florida and Biden preparing to be sworn in.

10AM tomorrow, President Trump will be at Andrews AFB, getting the 21 Gun Salute, honored as the outgoing President of the United States, and outgoing Commander in Chief, of the United States Armed Forces, which is the President's due, of course.

Not sure whether he will leave by Motorcade for JointBase Andrews, or by Marine 1 from the White House Lawn, just have not seen the details yet for his last day as our President. No matter...


21 guns, more than needed to shoot the few that accepted the invitation to be there.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on January 20, 2021, 12:40:59 PM
TODAY!
History turns a page today. The inauguration of President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris. They've already have begun to show that a team who actually care about the country they serve has taken the reins of power.

Last night ceremony to mark the grief that Covid-19 has inflicted on our country is a marked change. We've gone from a loser who called the virus that's killed over 400 thousand people in America, just the flu.  Last night it was made clear that this administration will be much more aggressive in bringing help to the people they serve.

  (https://i.imgur.com/nV7nHdA.jpg)
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on January 20, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
It's official! President Biden! Number 46. WOO
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on January 20, 2021, 05:51:10 PM
Congratulations President Biden and Vice President Harris!!!
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Lois on January 21, 2021, 03:30:20 PM
I've only heard of 21 gun salutes at funerals.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on January 21, 2021, 04:14:09 PM
The 21 gun salute is to honor a head of state. For lesser personages few guns are used.

21-gun salute is the most commonly recognized of the customary gun salutes that are performed by the firing of cannons or artillery as a military honor. As naval customs evolved, 21 guns came to be fired for heads of state, or in exceptional circumstances for heads of government, with the number decreasing with the rank of the recipient of the honor. While the 21-gun salute is the most commonly recognized, the number of rounds fired in any given salute will vary depending on the conditions. Circumstances affecting these variations include the particular occasion and, in the case of military and state funerals, the branch of service, and rank (or office) of the person to whom honors are
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on January 23, 2021, 12:27:39 PM
So refreshing to see a President at work with the welfare of the nation his main priority. It's sad so much of his effort has to go into undoing all the land mines left by the Ex-president. Enacting tighter regulations for mask wearing is good to see. Sadly there will always be those "deniers", if that's what they are, who will continue to go around bare faced.

His latest move to increase food stamp payments will help a lot of struggling families.  I know there's a lot more he wants to do to alleviate the suffering caused by the pandemic. That will still be an uphill battle even with the slim edge in the Senate.

My hope is some Republicans will come around at try to do what's right and put the needs of the country first. I know...I still dream the impossible dream. (msslave breaks into song)

(https://i.imgur.com/b6b7NDb.jpg)
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Sweetums on January 23, 2021, 03:19:15 PM
Bore me daddy!


It’s all good, but from 7:50 on, it’s spectacular.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on January 26, 2021, 11:52:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bu8Cuxr.jpg)


In addition to the new format of announcements, I’ll add the part where Biden’s staff isn’t completely blindsided by the new policies either.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: _priapism on January 27, 2021, 12:03:12 AM
My wife said, “You seem like you’re in a really good mood lately, what’s going on?”  I replied, “Donald Trump is no longer president.” 
 :emot_laughing:
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: MissBarbara on January 27, 2021, 12:03:32 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Bu8Cuxr.jpg)


In addition to the new format of announcements, I’ll add the part where Biden’s staff isn’t completely blindsided by the new policies either.


It's truly shocking!

On top of that, all of Biden's Executive Orders are published to the Federal Register, accessible to anyone with an internet connection.

I've found it quite handy, since every time you hear or read someone asserting Biden said this, or Biden wants to do that, or Biden's Executive Order did that, you just click through and read what he actually said:

http://www.federalregister.gov/presidential-documents/executive-orders/joe-biden/2021


Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on January 28, 2021, 10:23:44 PM
My wife said, “You seem like you’re in a really good mood lately, what’s going on?”  I replied, “Donald Trump is no longer president.” 
 :emot_laughing:


Yesterday I heard someone on the news say ‘The president did. . . .’ and I cringed wondering what horseshit has Trump done now, just to smile and remember he’s not president anymore.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: msslave on January 28, 2021, 11:14:06 PM
I've had no reaction like that Jed. My head is spinning at how much the President is doing so fast.

He's looking for solutions to problems while at the same time has up un-fuck all the crap the Trump dump left.

Go Joe...WOO!
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: Jed_ on February 05, 2021, 02:56:26 PM
Major.  He is such a beautiful dog, and will be the first rescue to live in the White House.

There’s 2!  I knew this was my president.


(https://i.imgur.com/eQ2i98e.jpg)


You can trust a person that truly loves dogs.


(https://i.imgur.com/iEpwr5F.jpg)
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Shiela_M on February 05, 2021, 03:23:25 PM
May boss has those same socks Sir  :emot_laughing:
Title: Re: The Biden thread: All things Joe
Post by: Punty on March 14, 2021, 11:14:35 PM
Major.  He is such a beautiful dog, and will be the first rescue to live in the White House.

There’s 2!  I knew this was my president.


(https://i.imgur.com/eQ2i98e.jpg)


You can trust a person that truly loves dogs.


(https://i.imgur.com/iEpwr5F.jpg)

  One now. One of them bit a secret service agent and has been impeached.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: _priapism on March 22, 2021, 11:25:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/jxtj0ez.jpg)
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Rainwater on March 25, 2021, 08:28:34 PM
I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but I just had to turn off the Presidential Press Conference.  I am home taking a sick day, and it was making me feel more sick. 

I have yet to hear one answer to a question that made any sense at all.  It's as if Biden hears the question, starts to answer, then veers down another corridor in his mind.  Don't get me wrong.  Trump is insane, a narcissist who had to go, but why can't we admit we traded him in for a senile old man who can only read from a teleprompter?
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: _priapism on March 26, 2021, 11:03:44 PM
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Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: _priapism on July 07, 2021, 12:53:32 AM
It’s Morning in Joe Biden’s America
July 5, 2021
By Paul Krugman
Opinion Columnist


Last Tuesday President Biden’s Council of Economic Advisers published a blog post warning everyone not to make too much of any one month’s employment report. It presumably released this in advance of Friday’s report to fend off possible accusations that it was just trying to make excuses for a weak number. As it happened, however, the report came in strong: The economy added an impressive 850,000 jobs.

The job gain was especially impressive given widespread claims that businesses couldn’t expand because generous unemployment benefits were discouraging workers from taking jobs. (Recent benefit cuts in many states came too late to have affected this report.) Well, somehow employers are managing to hire a lot of people anyway.

Oh, and so much for Donald Trump’s warnings that there would be a “Biden depression” if he weren’t re-elected.

That said, the council’s points were well taken. Covid-19 created huge dislocations in the economy, and as we recover from these dislocations economic data are unusually noisy — largely because the standard adjustments statisticians make to smooth out things like seasonal variation don’t work well in an economy still distorted by the pandemic.

At this point, however, we have enough data in hand to declare that the economy is booming. In fact, it’s booming so strongly that Republicans have pivoted from claiming (falsely) that we’re experiencing the worst job performance in decades to lauding the employment numbers and giving credit to … Trump’s 2017 tax cut.

Back to that in a minute. First, let’s try to put this boom in context, by noting that the economy is running hotter than it did during the “Morning in America” boom that gave Ronald Reagan a landslide victory in the 1984 presidential election.

We’ve gained three million jobs since Biden took office, or 600,000 jobs a month. This compares with gains of 340,000 a month in the year leading up to the 1984 election.

To be fair, Reagan-era job gains took place from a lower base, so it may be more appropriate to compare growth rates. But this still gives Biden the advantage: 5 percent at an annual rate, versus 4.4 percent in 1983-84. And the disparity grows if you compare jobs with the working-age population, which was growing around 1 percent a year in the 1980s but has stagnated in recent years.

So it’s a boom. What’s behind it?

The Republican determination to attribute everything good that happens to tax cuts is almost beyond parody. Some of us still remember how practically everyone in the G.O.P. predicted disaster after Bill Clinton raised taxes, then, when he presided over prosperity instead, declared that the boom of the late 1990s was a result of Reagan’s tax cuts in the early 1980s. Of course, they’re now insisting that good news in mid-2021 is somehow a vindication of stuff Trump did almost four years earlier.

The truth is that Reagan doesn’t even deserve much credit for the boom of 1983-84; most of the credit should go instead to the Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates in 1982.

But how much credit should Biden get for job growth in 2021? Not all of it, certainly, but quite a lot.

The American Rescue Plan, which greatly increased the purchasing power of American consumers, has surely been an important driver of growth. Even more important, however, has been the rapid rise in vaccination rates, which has led to a plunge in the infection and death rates. Some of us predicted long ago that the U.S. would experience a rapid, “V-shaped” recovery once the pandemic subsided and the economy could reopen; well, the success of the vaccination drive has brought us to that moment.

And political leadership has had a lot to do with rapid vaccination. Yes, the vaccines themselves were developed before Biden took office, and the Trump administration had ordered millions of doses. But the Biden administration took much stronger steps than its predecessor had to coordinate vaccine distribution and get shots into arms.

More generally, anyone who doubts the importance of political leadership in progress against Covid-19 should look at the differences in vaccination rates across states, which have a stunning correlation with partisanship: States that voted for Biden have been much more successful than Trump states in getting their residents vaccinated.

So yes, we are having another morning in America, and Biden deserves more credit for his good morning than Reagan ever did for his.

Obviously things could still go wrong. Vaccination rates have slowed down, in part because of resistance in red states, and the large number of still-unvaccinated Americans makes a wave of new outbreaks possible. Also, while I’m in the camp that sees the current inflation as a transitory problem, we could be wrong.
Above all, short-run economic success is no guarantee of good long-term results. Many people have forgotten the widespread economic despair that prevailed just a few years after Reagan’s triumphalism.

But right now the economic news is good. And Joe Biden has every right to crow about it.


Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Lois on July 10, 2021, 09:39:00 AM
Good post.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: watcher1 on July 10, 2021, 04:36:08 PM
Another issue that Biden will probably be demonized on is the ending of the US troop involvement in Afghanistan.  It is unfortunate that he will be remembered as the president who pulled the last US troops out, basically turning the country back to the Taliban and their fundamentalist rule.  But twenty years and over 2,300 American deaths and many more injuries, why were we there in the first place?  News reports show Afghan army units leaving their weapons in piles and fleeing at the approach of the Taliban.   Shades of Vietnam, 46 years earlier. 

We need to stay out of the problems of other countries unless those affairs directly threaten us.  This war had nothing to do with 9-11. Most of those bombers originated in Saudi Arabia, and we never invaded that country.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: _priapism on July 10, 2021, 08:38:41 PM
Never start a land war in Asia. Invaders of Afghanistan include the Maurya Empire, the Greek Empire of Alexander the Great of Macedon, Rashidun Caliphate, the Mongol Empire led by Genghis Khan, the Timurid Empire of Timur, the Mughal Empire, various Persian Empires, the Sikh Empire, the British Empire, the Soviet Union, and most recently the United States.  Maybe the Mongol’s had the greatest success.  They pretty much killed all the men, and raped all the women.

George Bush II lacked that whole “history thing.” Ironically, the United States armed the Taliban to fight the USSR. See “Charlie Parker’s War.”

So we had no business going there in the first place. Then we certainly had no business staying there for 20 years. Somebody’s got to say “enough.“ And I’m glad old “demented” Joe Biden has the balls to finally do it.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Lois on July 12, 2021, 03:47:33 AM
Perhaps if we permitted ALL their women to immigrate to the USA we could change their culture.  Make the place livable so the women want to return, or you can go extinct.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on July 12, 2021, 04:59:56 AM
Perhaps if we permitted ALL their women to immigrate to the USA we could change their culture.  Make the place livable so the women want to return, or you can go extinct.


I’m in favor of that!!!
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Jed_ on August 18, 2021, 11:50:33 PM
I think Joe has gone back to DC.  We have a tornado warning with Camp David in the crosshairs.  You remember Camp David, that’s where Trump wanted to negotiate the peace with the Taliban on the anniversary of 9/11.
Title: Re: The President Biden Thread: All Things President Joe
Post by: Clitical Thinking on August 18, 2021, 11:53:23 PM
Another issue that Biden will probably be demonized on is the ending of the US troop involvement in Afghanistan.  It is unfortunate that he will be remembered as the president who pulled the last US troops out, basically turning the country back to the Taliban and their fundamentalist rule. 

Prophetic post is prophetic  :o
Title: Re: Joe Biden For President, 2020
Post by: SloppySeconds on January 01, 2022, 07:16:13 PM
Those who support child rapists really don't have a moral high ground to stand on.

Do you realize BLM is a Marxist organization?   Most people believe it actually about black people.  Look it up, they are no longer hiding their agenda.
#Resist