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Reply #20 on: January 07, 2021, 03:32:57 PM
No, not false. Trump told his people to march on down to the capitol and he'd be with them. Whether he regretted it later is not at issue, though it's clear that at most he considered it a tactical error at worst.

Trump encouraged this. In words. Many times, in fact. Facts don't like. Trumpkins lie.



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Reply #21 on: January 07, 2021, 04:42:49 PM

I agree with Gunnerman, and I think he makes a vital point: A microscopic handful of people were responsible for what happened yesterday.

I have seen any number estimates, but putting the crowd at 10,000 people -- which is likely very generous -- that means that 0.01% of those who voted for Trump participated in the attack. On top of that, it's unclear what percentage of the crowd were actual Trump supporters who genuinely believe the election was stolen and what percentage were generic malcontents looking to cause trouble.


Ted Cruz said it’s 39% of the country.

While it was eclipsed by events at our nation’s capital, about a dozen state capitals were also under siege yesterday, and those crowds cheered when they heard the U.S. capital had been breached for the first time since the British did so in 1814.

Maybe yesterday and the Jan 20 inauguration will be a wake up call for some of the Trumptards, but those that still think the election was stolen and that the commission of violence is a justifiable response is a shitload more than 0.01%.


Really? You're going to base your assertions on what "Ted Cruz said"?!?

What happened yesterday or what might happen on January 20th will not stand as a wake-up call to either the people who attacked the U.S. Capitol yesterday, nor, judging by his Tweet this morning, to Trump himself.







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Reply #22 on: January 07, 2021, 04:52:59 PM
Actually that a large portion of the country believes that the election was stolen is supported by polls (however accurate they may be?), where Cruz diverged from reality is suggesting there was some validity to those beliefs that required investigation.  Of course even he knows that’s bullshit, as most of us know that’s all a show to help him inherit the Trumptards for 2024.



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Reply #23 on: January 07, 2021, 06:06:37 PM

Actually that a large portion of the country believes that the election was stolen is supported by polls (however accurate they may be?), where Cruz diverged from reality is suggesting there was some validity to those beliefs that required investigation.  Of course even he knows that’s bullshit, as most of us know that’s all a show to help him inherit the Trumptards for 2024.


Actually, the percentage of Americans who believe the election was stolen and the percentage of Americans who participated in the violent attack on the Capitol yesterday are two very different groups.






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Reply #24 on: January 07, 2021, 06:15:57 PM
No need to invoke the 25th Amendment. There is not enough time left. Trump is pretty much a non-entity as our president after what occurred yesterday. His enablers are now backing off on their tough rhetoric. These congressmen and senators, though, should be held accountable for their actions that supported Trump and pay for it at the ballot box in the next election.  Biden can reap huge rewards with this crisis if he plays his cards right.

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Reply #25 on: January 07, 2021, 07:56:25 PM

No need to invoke the 25th Amendment. There is not enough time left. Trump is pretty much a non-entity as our president after what occurred yesterday. His enablers are now backing off on their tough rhetoric. These congressmen and senators, though, should be held accountable for their actions that supported Trump and pay for it at the ballot box in the next election.  Biden can reap huge rewards with this crisis if he plays his cards right.


Strictly speaking, there's plenty of time. Here's what the text says:

"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

So, if Vice President Pence, along with a simple majority of cabinet members, presented a document to those two officifals this afternoon declaring that Trump is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office," Trump would be temporarily relieved of his duties, and Pence would become Acting President.

The rest of the text describes an appeals process for Trump to appeal and that to be adjudicated before Congress, but the fact remains, Pence could do it, if he chose.

And perhaps he should. It would be an almost exclusively meaningless act, but it would be a clear, sharp signal to the nation and the world -- and it would be a way for Republicans to visibly dissociate themselves from Trump.








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Reply #26 on: January 07, 2021, 08:21:46 PM
The Republicans who have disassociated themselves from Trump had done so a long time ago. Those trying to disassociate themselves from Trump now are or were part of the problem. Kind of late to jump ship.

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Reply #27 on: January 07, 2021, 11:13:06 PM
Hunter-you’re an idiot. So know you change what you said he told the protesters. At least now you tell more closely to what he said. You are still a weak individual. Good luck with that manipulation of the truth shit.



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Reply #28 on: January 08, 2021, 01:11:53 AM

Actually that a large portion of the country believes that the election was stolen is supported by polls (however accurate they may be?), where Cruz diverged from reality is suggesting there was some validity to those beliefs that required investigation.  Of course even he knows that’s bullshit, as most of us know that’s all a show to help him inherit the Trumptards for 2024.


Actually, the percentage of Americans who believe the election was stolen and the percentage of Americans who participated in the violent attack on the Capitol yesterday are two very different groups.







Only in part.  As I said earlier, numerous state capitals saw such protests with Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, Boogaloos and other far right groups.  And just because some didn’t make the trip to DC, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have acted that way if they could have been there.

The woman shot in the chest that died was a veteran and by all accounts a patriot.  She was led astray by a malignant president who only cares about himself.  She was shot trying to enter the House Chamber to do who knows what to Congress people and the VP convinced by Trump they were traitors.



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Reply #29 on: January 08, 2021, 01:24:20 AM
Absolutely nothing Trump has done these past 4 awful years has been the least little bit surprising to me.  If anything, I was expecting far worse, more violence and more deaths.  And we still got 12.5 days for that.







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Reply #30 on: January 08, 2021, 01:52:53 AM
  The woman who was shot, may well have been shot by a errant bullet from a Capitol Hill Police Officer, who fired at a demonstator/rioter man, and missed his target.

  First reports included an explanation about a man chasing an Officer on a staircase, and the Capitol Police Officer firing his weapon to stop that man.  I have not seen any reports about a male rioter being shot to date... one fellow rioter supposedly said, by a News report "quote" we suddenly saw a woman among us fall, she has been shot, or words to that effect...

  I expect one day to see some detailed investigative report regarding the Officer who discharged his firearm, and the woman who was indeed killed by gunfire, and it should not be rocket science to see which bullet, therefore which firearm/Officer is involved.

  A mix of violent, organized, anarchist rioters, around 50 to less than 100, led an attack, gained entry after some relatively short time, AND some Trump supporters aparently also entered the Capitol illegally, and to date no definitive report, or investigative conclusion has been released.

  The violent breach was underway and happening, nearly as soon as demonstrators began leaving the Elipse near the White House, prior to the end of the Speeches at that location, as witnessed by those who headed for the Capitol when President Trump made that remark during his Speech, walking those 16 city blocks...

  So, in my opinion, while the tactics "looked like" anarchists, organized and dedicated, whether far leftists or from the far right, said rioters had accessories, Flags and such marking them as "Trump Supporters", and the behavior of such Thugs is against all tenets of the MAGA Spirit, and unwelcome by any true conservative, and/or anti-RINO, anti-Swamp, supporter of President Trump, and the accomplishments, as well as the goals, of this President's Administration.

  The March itself was a "Permitted" Demonstation, with all the legal documentation required, by the City of Washington, DC, the Park Police and the Capitol Police, including the intended Time, and Route for those attending. Said "Permit" clearly was violated by 100 or more persons, carrying placards and flags identifying those thugs, and wannabe other 'followers' who entered the Capitol building, out of the hundreds of thousands estimated crowd size involved in the "Permitted March".

  Sadly, the public discussion, and release of details on the record as to State behaviors, relative to adherance to State Legislatures making law and passing legislation exclusively regarding election rules, never was able to proceed as intended... at least in yesterday's Congressional forum, where Americans could see, hear, and from the Congressional Record, gain a detailed record, should there be such interest.

  The wholesale Media, and Democrat, and RINO attacks on President Trump are despicable, and way over the top, when compared with the critique by the same groups of the 'Political' violence since June 2020 and the same group's "Mostly Peaceful" mantra these many months, in Washington DC and in cities large and small across the Nation.

  The FACTS are whatever the Media and Democrats have said they are without the details that will follow, as various Police and Government Agency investigations proceed, and conclude, likely many months long in the making.

  We shall watch with interest, to see what reality may turn out to be.

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Reply #31 on: January 08, 2021, 06:48:04 AM
Oh wonderful, yellow wall of nonsense is back.  And nope, didn’t read it.



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Reply #32 on: January 08, 2021, 07:08:56 AM
A police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained when the Trumpists stormed the Capital Building.  :'(



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Reply #33 on: January 08, 2021, 03:13:04 PM

A police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained when the Trumpists stormed the Capital Building.  :'(


Based on the information in Joan's post above, the Trumpists did not storm the Capitol Building. They only "apparently" did so.





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Reply #34 on: January 08, 2021, 03:14:45 PM
Yep, Trumpers killed a cop.

So much for Blue Lives Mattering.

Also saw the pics and vids of Trumpers tearing down an American flag and replacing it with a Trump flag.

So much for "respecting the flag or ELSE."

Bottom line: Trumpers only believe in ANYTHING for exactly as long as believing in that thing allow them to behave like the worthless pieces of impacted fecal matter that they actually are.



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Reply #35 on: January 08, 2021, 03:39:27 PM
Police confiscated one assault rifle, two pipe bombs and over a dozen molotov cocktails. What part of a peaceful protest do these items fit into?

Our local newspaper reported that a local CEO of a tech company was one of the many arrested in Washington. Even CEOs fall for lies.

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Reply #36 on: January 08, 2021, 05:35:27 PM

A police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained when the Trumpists stormed the Capital Building.  :'(


Based on the information in Joan's post above, the Trumpists did not storm the Capitol Building. They only "apparently" did so.






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Reply #37 on: January 08, 2021, 07:52:39 PM
OMG!  Duck Dynasty is trying to conquer the country.  I thought their TV show died. Guess it just smells that way.

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Reply #38 on: January 08, 2021, 08:52:17 PM
The guy with the horns and Buffalo hat is kinda cute.  Too bad he's a Q-Anon wing-nut.  Still might be a good shag, but not relationship material.  :emot_kiss:



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Reply #39 on: January 08, 2021, 10:22:42 PM
The two on the left are supposed to be actual neo-Nazis.  The guy on the far left allegedly organized the Unite the right in Charlottesville.

I find irony in that recently Trump increased the penalty for vandalism of Federal property to 10 years.  He of course meant for that penalty to apply to Antifa, except they sat this one out.  Arrests have begun.