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Talk => Sport => Topic started by: MintJulie on January 03, 2019, 02:57:43 PM

Title: Soccer
Post by: MintJulie on January 03, 2019, 02:57:43 PM


I started following Tottenham about seven years ago. They're one of those "close but not too close" teams, who have been hovering between 5th - 3rd place for the last four or five seasons. And I'm very happy to see them in 2nd place.



I love soccer.  I was never a fan until a few years ago when I started going to games with my friend whose son plays h.s. soccer.  They even went to the state finals.  So fun.
I enjoyed the world cup also.  This is a sport I enjoy anytime I see it and would love to follow it a bit more.

So, with the sport not being as popular in the US and not televised, where do the soccer fans here watch it on the television? 
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 03, 2019, 06:48:51 PM

So, with the sport not being as popular in the US and not televised, where do the soccer fans here watch it on the television? 


Soccer is VERY popular here. Sure, not popular as elsewhere in the world, but it's still popular.

And soccer IS televised here. Granted, I'm still an old-school cable girl, But many MLS matches air on ESPN and FOX Sports One, and a local sports channel (MSG) airs MLS matches as well. Every single World Cup match was aired live here, though, with the time difference, many aired at inconvenient times. Many UEFA Champions League matches air here as well (and, in my opinion, that's the best soccer you'll watch). And many European matches air her as well. NBCSN airs several Premier League matches every weekend, and BeIN Sports (yes, it's a weird name) airs most Real Madrid and Barcelona matches, along with other matches from La Liga, Ligue Une, Serie A, and the Bundesliga.

And that's just the English-language channels.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 03, 2019, 08:22:35 PM
If you have Comcast, hit the search button and then type in the word, soccer, and it will show you every game currently being played plus upcoming games. Pretty sure other cable companies have similar search features.

I agree with MissB. Pro teams in Europe and in England are the cream of the crop right now. MSL here in the United States is okay, but they do keep adding veterans who are in the twilight of their career from UEFA but may have a few years left to play.

US College soccer games, especially the semi-finals onward, prove pretty entertaining.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ToeinH2O on January 04, 2019, 06:13:16 PM
Football (soccer) is like a lot of other things.  It’s there, if you look for it.  I have friends who are avid fans, and get up very early to drink beer for breakfast, while watching European league play on satellite.  I have other friends who don’t know it exists.

It is the game of the future, and the past.  Far fewer concussions and traumatic brain injury than the American football causes.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: Jed_ on January 04, 2019, 06:25:56 PM
I historically watch every 4 years.  But it’s like baseball for me; I only see the scoring on replay, because my mind has wandered during the boring parts, which is 99% of it for me, and I miss when something finally happens.  Sorry, just not a huge fan of most sports.

If Peru had only done well this past year, I might be more interested.  My gf’s nephew went all the way to Russia to watch them lose.  He managed to get on Peruvian TV, and a clip of that was sent to my gf and we watched him cry at the loss.  Poor guy was devastated.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 04, 2019, 06:39:25 PM

Football (soccer) is like a lot of other things.  It’s there, if you look for it.  I have friends who are avid fans, and get up very early to drink beer for breakfast, while watching European league play on satellite.  I have other friends who don’t know it exists.

It is the game of the future, and the past.  Far fewer concussions and traumatic brain injury than the American football causes.


I'm not really a sports fan, other than following the Cubs and Bears in season. I only played soccer as a young girl, but at one point I became enchanted with the sport, and I've been avidly following it ever since. 

But it's not for everyone. While many American "sports guys" seem to hold the sport in complete disdain, I've no problem with those who don't like it. And, to Jed's point, I don't have a problem with people who find it "boring." Granted, I'd be happy to explain to Jed why soccer is not boring, and how it's more exciting than the other major U.S. sports, but that's a different discussion.

You're right: The growing body of evidence for a causal link between repetitive head trauma and CTE has, ironically, proven a huge boon for the sport. As more and more parents are not allowing their children to play football, especially at a younger age, those kids are finding an alternative in soccer. Soccer has been very popular with kids for decades, and it's seen a sharp increase in popularity in recent years. As a result, it's becoming more popular at the high school level. Soccer used to be one of those "other" sports (like wrestling, swimming, or gymnastics), while the "best athletes" played football, basketball, and baseball. In recent years, it's become more prominent in high schools, becoming more mainstream and acceptable. This bodes very well for the future.

The English call soccer "The Beautiful Game," and once you gain an appreciation for it, you'll quickly see why.





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MintJulie on January 04, 2019, 07:14:10 PM


Yeah, I guess I misused the word 'popular' there.

We are cord cutters.  I don't have cable.  I have internet coming into my house only.  I have a mini antenae that picks up broadcasts from a nearby city.  I get ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and some others.   I have appleTV and a Roku that has apps for other things.  Doing this has cut $120 a month off my bill.   I seem to have gotten off track, so...

When I used 'popular' in my opening post, it was more in reference to it not being followed, or on the television major networks.   I have never channel flipped and come across a soccer game being played.

Now, just this past Tuesday, we figured out a way to get ESPN over the Roku and AppleTV without paying for it.  I shouldn't really say how because it's not exactly ethical in how we do this.   We are also able to get other channels now, TLC, HGTV, FoodNetwork, etc.  I still can't get FoxSports1, which is what I believe the Tigers are played on, but we both want to for the Tiger games.  I'll task Mark with figuring that out.  I will have to look at the ESPN listings and see what is coming up.

When we were in Ireland and England last summer I really got hooked.  We were in some pubs and the atmosphere was so exciting.  I actually had goosebumps watching some of the games with those crowds.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: IdleBoast on January 04, 2019, 10:05:03 PM
Sorry, but no.

I don't find football boring, but I don't enjoy it.  I also find it extremely annoying that the "best" players get paid more in a week than I get paid in ten years, when most of them have the IQ of a walnut.

Also...

(https://i.imgur.com/ClrP7aW.png)

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 05, 2019, 12:26:58 AM

Also...

(https://i.imgur.com/ClrP7aW.png)



Also...

The word "soccer" is British in origin, derived from the official name of the sport, association football.

And speaking of football:

(https://i.imgur.com/hp4UGO3.jpg)



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: IdleBoast on January 05, 2019, 12:38:08 AM
I saw a match once - chap came on just to kick a ball over the post. 20 seconds play...
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 05, 2019, 01:17:22 AM

I saw a match once - chap came on just to kick a ball over the post. 20 seconds play...


It was likely closer to 6-7 seconds...



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: Remington555 on January 05, 2019, 02:45:17 PM

I'd have more interest in soccer (and hockey for that matter) if they eliminated the goalie. I get the action in the trenches (in the middle of the field/rink) but when one of those players bests the other he still has to get past another guy who is just standing there waiting for him.

How popular do you think basketball would be if there was someone stationed by the basket at all times whose only job was to reject shots?

Remmy (admittedly a sports Luddite)

PS: Don't beat up on me... I'm old and feeble.  ;D
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MintJulie on January 05, 2019, 03:09:07 PM

I get the action in the trenches (in the middle of the field/rink) but when one of those players bests the other he still has to get past another guy who is just standing there waiting for him.



Everytime I do go to a hockey game, I can't help but wonder why the Red Wings don't go over to China and get the biggest sumo wrestler they can and put him in pad in front of the net.    Get a 400 pounder.  More area filling the net, less likely to get the puck in.  You're welcome Red Wings GM.

I LOVE hockey.  60 minutes of action up and down the ice.  Similar to soccer.  Maybe that's why I have taken to soccer.


I saw a match once - chap came on just to kick a ball over the post. 20 seconds play...

Sound more American to your chaps, say, "Through the uprights."
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 05, 2019, 03:21:40 PM

I saw a match once - chap came on just to kick a ball over the post. 20 seconds play...


Sound more American to your chaps, say, "Through the uprights."


And it's a game, not a match.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: Jed_ on January 05, 2019, 03:51:25 PM

Everytime I do go to a hockey game, I can't help but wonder why the Red Wings don't go over to China and get the biggest sumo wrestler they can and put him in pad in front of the net.    Get a 400 pounder.  More area filling the net, less likely to get the puck in.  You're welcome Red Wings GM.


Um Jules, maybe they should go to Japan where they have sumo wrestling, not China?
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 05, 2019, 04:20:50 PM
Sorry, but no.

I don't find football boring, but I don't enjoy it.  I also find it extremely annoying that the "best" players get paid more in a week than I get paid in ten years, when most of them have the IQ of a walnut.



A transfer fee of something like $73 million was just paid for an American player in the English Premiere League, making him the highest paid American ever in football.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 05, 2019, 06:59:49 PM

Sorry, but no.

I don't find football boring, but I don't enjoy it.  I also find it extremely annoying that the "best" players get paid more in a week than I get paid in ten years, when most of them have the IQ of a walnut.



A transfer fee of something like $73 million was just paid for an American player in the English Premiere League, making him the highest paid American ever in football.


He's Christian Pulisic, probably the best American player at this moment. He's the star of the U.S. Men's National Team, with 9 goals in 23 appearances, and he's played for Borussia Dortmund, one of the top teams in the German Bundesliga, for the past three seasons. Earlier in the week he was signed by Chelsea, one of the top teams in the English Premier League.

He's a lot of fun to watch. He plays with both style and aggression, and he's an amazing ball-handler, equally adept with both feet. He's a natural center forward, but his skills lend themselves to either wing.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: psiberzerker on January 05, 2019, 08:07:00 PM
http://time.com/4913284/kids-sports-cost/

At the cost of being a complete hypocrite, we can't talk about Soccer, in America, without it becoming a discussion of Football.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2018/09/20/the-nfls-highest-paid-players-2018-aaron-rodgers-leads-with-76-million/#4cea756c117b

A $73 million dollar transfer fee is a 1 time cost, right?  ^That's just the top 10, Annual incomes. 
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 05, 2019, 08:51:16 PM

http://time.com/4913284/kids-sports-cost/

At the cost of being a complete hypocrite, we can't talk about Soccer, in America, without it becoming a discussion of Football.  

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2018/09/20/the-nfls-highest-paid-players-2018-aaron-rodgers-leads-with-76-million/#4cea756c117b

A $73 million dollar transfer fee is a 1 time cost, right?  ^That's just the top 10, Annual incomes.
 

You CAN have a discussion about soccer without it becoming a discussion of football (well, at least what we American's call football).

That's one of the two things that American soccer fans loathe the most: The fact that their looked down upon with haughty disdain by Brits and others in Europe, and the fact that they're dismissed by American fans of the big sports, who cannot but compare soccer with "their" sports.

To your point, transfer fees do not exist in American sports (as least as far as I know). A transfer fee is paid when one team purchases the contract of a player from another team, and the fee is listed in the player's contract. The purchasing team pays the fee to obtain the contract (and, thus, the player), and the purchasing team is still responsible for paying the player the salary in the contract. As such, it's unlike either a trade or a free agent signing, and it us not a factor of how much the player is paid under his contract.

Your linked article says that Aaron Rodgers's current contract pays him $33.5 million per year. That's his his annual salary. Lionel Messi's annual salary (with bonuses) is $80 million, Neymar's is $73 million, and Cristiano Ronaldo's is $62 million. And that does not include endorsement deals.





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: psiberzerker on January 05, 2019, 09:00:02 PM
To your point, transfer fees do not exist in American sports (as least as far as I know). A transfer fee is paid when one team purchases the contract of a player from another team, and the fee is listed in the player's contract.

You're right.  It's one of those "biscuits" things, or right hand drive.  Here, they're called a signing bonus, and get payed to the player.

In my defense, I'm a Texan.  The worst kind of American when it comes to talking about sports.  I just wanted some perspective numbers on that transfer fee.  That's a good Year in the NFL, not counting the Signing bonus your first year.

Bloody colonials.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: IdleBoast on January 05, 2019, 11:30:20 PM

That's one of the two things that American soccer fans loathe the most: The fact that their looked down upon with haughty disdain by Brits and others in Europe...



As established, I am not a football fan (something that frankly astonishes many of those I work with), but one thing I am aware of is that a move to an American team by a UK/EU professional is usually seen as the last stage of their playing career.

After that, they will move on to managing or coaching a minor-league team, become a TV pundit, or buy a pub.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 05, 2019, 11:41:42 PM

That's one of the two things that American soccer fans loathe the most: The fact that their looked down upon with haughty disdain by Brits and others in Europe...


As established, I am not a football fan (something that frankly astonishes many of those I work with), but one thing I am aware of is that a move to an American team by a UK/EU professional is usually seen as the last stage of their playing career.

After that, they will move on to managing or coaching a minor-league team, become a TV pundit, or buy a pub.


Yes and no.

Yes, a move by a top flight player from Europe to an American MLS team almost always occurs at the twilight of their careers. David Beckham, Wayne Rooney, Zlatan Ibrahimović et al. are clear examples of this.

But there are many professional football players from the U.K. (and elsewhere in Europe and Latin America) who are below the top flight level and have successful and lucrative careers playing in the U.S. Bradley Wright-Phillips, the star of the local team I follow (New York Red Bulls), played a couple of years for Man City and Southampton, and then came here at age 27, and has gone on to score 106 goals during his time in the MLS.

Don't get me wrong: The MLS is, by any measure, inferior to the top flight European leagues. That's why Christian Pulisic signed with a German and then an English team, and that's why former European superstars past their prime and unable to sign with a top flight European team come here to play.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: IdleBoast on January 06, 2019, 12:05:05 PM
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't putting the US teams down against other continents, just describing a perception.

The only time I have watched a match all the way through was when, as a small child, my uncle was a director of the local 7th-league team. He took me to a match, in a (failed) attempt at bonding, but I really just spent the time standing, shivering, and wondering why these grown men were doing PE, on purpose, in public.



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 08, 2019, 03:26:16 PM
Big match this Sunday.  ManU vs Tottenham.  Both teams are 5-1 in their last six matches of this season.  Tottenham are two points behind ManU in the standings. The Red Army vs Spurs.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 08, 2019, 03:49:13 PM

Big match this Sunday.  ManU vs Tottenham.  Both teams are 5-1 in their last six matches of this season.  Tottenham are two points behind ManU in the standings. The Red Army vs Spurs.


Good vs. Evil.

And, for the record, the Spurs, currently in 3rd place on the table, are two points behind Man City, and 10 points clear of Man U, who sit in 6th place.





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MintJulie on January 08, 2019, 04:01:57 PM

Big match this Sunday.  ManU vs Tottenham.  Both teams are 5-1 in their last six matches of this season.  Tottenham are two points behind ManU in the standings. The Red Army vs Spurs.


Good vs. Evil.

And, for the record, the Spurs, currently in 3rd place on the table, are two points behind Man City, and 10 points clear of Man U, who sit in 6th place.




So, I just googled it.  It doesn't list where it's televised.  Any help?
-update-
It's on NowTv, which I can't sign up for in the states.
I'll have to get VPN access somehow.  Mark is going to not be happy with my requests for getting me hooked-up come Sunday morning. 
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 08, 2019, 04:05:08 PM

Football (soccer) is like a lot of other things.  It’s there, if you look for it.  I have friends who are avid fans, and get up very early to drink beer for breakfast, while watching European league play on satellite.  I have other friends who don’t know it exists.

It is the game of the future, and the past.  Far fewer concussions and traumatic brain injury than the American football causes.


I'm not really a sports fan, other than following the Cubs and Bears in season. I only played soccer as a young girl, but at one point I became enchanted with the sport, and I've been avidly following it ever since. 

But it's not for everyone. While many American "sports guys" seem to hold the sport in complete disdain, I've no problem with those who don't like it. And, to Jed's point, I don't have a problem with people who find it "boring." Granted, I'd be happy to explain to Jed why soccer is not boring, and how it's more exciting than the other major U.S. sports, but that's a different discussion.

You're right: The growing body of evidence for a causal link between repetitive head trauma and CTE has, ironically, proven a huge boon for the sport. As more and more parents are not allowing their children to play football, especially at a younger age, those kids are finding an alternative in soccer. Soccer has been very popular with kids for decades, and it's seen a sharp increase in popularity in recent years. As a result, it's becoming more popular at the high school level. Soccer used to be one of those "other" sports (like wrestling, swimming, or gymnastics), while the "best athletes" played football, basketball, and baseball. In recent years, it's become more prominent in high schools, becoming more mainstream and acceptable. This bodes very well for the future.

The English call soccer "The Beautiful Game," and once you gain an appreciation for it, you'll quickly see why.







Even in England concussion from heading the ball is now of great concern.  Especially for those players active in the 60s and 70s when balls were much heavier.  The incidence of dementia affecting those payers is now much more widespread than was previously estimated.  I believe there is talk of banning children from heading the ball.

The beautiful game?  The Brazil team of 1970-74 was the nearest you will come to ballet on a football pitch.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 08, 2019, 04:09:15 PM

Sorry, but no.

I don't find football boring, but I don't enjoy it.  I also find it extremely annoying that the "best" players get paid more in a week than I get paid in ten years, when most of them have the IQ of a walnut.



A transfer fee of something like $73 million was just paid for an American player in the English Premiere League, making him the highest paid American ever in football.


He's Christian Pulisic, probably the best American player at this moment. He's the star of the U.S. Men's National Team, with 9 goals in 23 appearances, and he's played for Borussia Dortmund, one of the top teams in the German Bundesliga, for the past three seasons. Earlier in the week he was signed by Chelsea, one of the top teams in the English Premier League.

He's a lot of fun to watch. He plays with both style and aggression, and he's an amazing ball-handler, equally adept with both feet. He's a natural center forward, but his skills lend themselves to either wing.






Chelsea's purchase of Pulisic is an attempt to open up the American market for them.  They have plenty of players emerging from their academy who are just as good.  Bayern Munich are offering £30 million for Callum Hudson-Odoi for instance and Bayern know a good player when they see one.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 08, 2019, 04:28:51 PM
As a long term sports (but especially football) fan I thought I would interject with a few random thoughts on previous posts and will probably get shot down in flames.

a) Why are they called American FOOTball and Rugby FOOtball when kicking the ball is not the primary action.

b) We in the UK never call football 'soccer'

c) If it's boring you want; then go and watch basketball - bounce, bounce score - bounce, bounce, score - bounce, bounce, score - ad infinitum (and I like cricket).

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 08, 2019, 06:03:14 PM

Big match this Sunday.  ManU vs Tottenham.  Both teams are 5-1 in their last six matches of this season.  Tottenham are two points behind ManU in the standings. The Red Army vs Spurs.


Good vs. Evil.

And, for the record, the Spurs, currently in 3rd place on the table, are two points behind Man City, and 10 points clear of Man U, who sit in 6th place.




So, I just googled it.  It doesn't list where it's televised.  Any help?
-update-

It's on NowTv, which I can't sign up for in the states.
I'll have to get VPN access somehow.  Mark is going to not be happy with my requests for getting me hooked-up come Sunday morning. 


Most EPL matches air in the U.S. on NBCSN.

The Tottenham vs. Man U match airs on NBCSN on Sunday at 11:30 am (EST).




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 08, 2019, 06:21:17 PM

Sorry, but no.

I don't find football boring, but I don't enjoy it.  I also find it extremely annoying that the "best" players get paid more in a week than I get paid in ten years, when most of them have the IQ of a walnut.



A transfer fee of something like $73 million was just paid for an American player in the English Premiere League, making him the highest paid American ever in football.


He's Christian Pulisic, probably the best American player at this moment. He's the star of the U.S. Men's National Team, with 9 goals in 23 appearances, and he's played for Borussia Dortmund, one of the top teams in the German Bundesliga, for the past three seasons. Earlier in the week he was signed by Chelsea, one of the top teams in the English Premier League.

He's a lot of fun to watch. He plays with both style and aggression, and he's an amazing ball-handler, equally adept with both feet. He's a natural center forward, but his skills lend themselves to either wing.


Chelsea's purchase of Pulisic is an attempt to open up the American market for them.  They have plenty of players emerging from their academy who are just as good.  Bayern Munich are offering £30 million for Callum Hudson-Odoi for instance and Bayern know a good player when they see one.


It may well be an attempt to open up the American market for them (or, better put, further open up the American market for them).

But Chelsea hasn't signed Pulisic as the solution to their longer-term needs, nor as a savior. He's a great player, and he will make strong contributions to their side. But he likely will not start, at least not initially (assuming Hazard is still there in August 2019).

Regardless, I appreciate your adding your comments to this thread. It's great to have an actual Englishman comment on English football, and not just some Janey-Come-Lately Yank like me.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 08, 2019, 06:40:38 PM

As a long term sports (but especially football) fan I thought I would interject with a few random thoughts on previous posts and will probably get shot down in flames.

a) Why are they called American FOOTball and Rugby FOOtball when kicking the ball is not the primary action.

b) We in the UK never call football 'soccer'

c) If it's boring you want; then go and watch basketball - bounce, bounce score - bounce, bounce, score - bounce, bounce, score - ad infinitum (and I like cricket).


a) Historically, the word "football" had nothing to do with kicking the ball. Association Football and Rugby Football (and, from them, American Football), are called "football" because they are played on foot, and not on horseback. Similarly, calling Association Football simply "Football" is technically incorrect, since removing the modifier removes the distinction between it and several other similarly-named sports.

b) That's true. But the word "soccer" is of English origin, a shortening of the term "Association Football." So it's your fault we use this term.

c) Every sport is "boring" if you don't understand it, or can't appreciate it. When I was an undergrad I went to a Cubs game (baseball) with a friend from India, and she was bored out of her skull. (And when she asked why the fan in the bleachers who caught the home run ball hit by the opposing team instantly threw it back onto the field, I gave up trying to explain it to her.) And I had that exact discussion about soccer/football vs. basketball a couple of days ago. Currently, in an NBA game, an average of 227 points are scored. In a Premier League match, an average of 2.84 goals are scored. The average American sports fan would argue that that's proof that soccer/football is boring. I would argue that the relatively low number of goals shows that each goal has incomparably higher value than an NBA basket, where so many points are scored that basket become relatively meaningless.







Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 08, 2019, 06:45:20 PM

Big match this Sunday.  ManU vs Tottenham.  Both teams are 5-1 in their last six matches of this season.  Tottenham are two points behind ManU in the standings. The Red Army vs Spurs.


Good vs. Evil.

And, for the record, the Spurs, currently in 3rd place on the table, are two points behind Man City, and 10 points clear of Man U, who sit in 6th place.




I stand corrected. Got my Manchesters mixed up. But which team is good and which is evil?  ;D

MissB in her playing days...... 8)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SsgXCjkf/236-1000.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 08, 2019, 06:59:40 PM

Big match this Sunday.  ManU vs Tottenham.  Both teams are 5-1 in their last six matches of this season.  Tottenham are two points behind ManU in the standings. The Red Army vs Spurs.


Good vs. Evil.

And, for the record, the Spurs, currently in 3rd place on the table, are two points behind Man City, and 10 points clear of Man U, who sit in 6th place.


I stand corrected. Got my Manchesters mixed up. But which team is good and which is evil?  ;D

MissB in her playing days...... 8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/SsgXCjkf/236-1000.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)



Well, I was 6-10 years old in my playing days, and I don't recall ever wearing a thong under my shorts.

Man U is like the New York Yankees. They have a long and proud tradition of winning, but they spend gazillions of dollars every year buying the best players they can. As such, they're like the Evil Empire (and apologies to Chirp for the "Star Wars" reference).

The Spurs, on the other hand, didn't sign a single new player during last summer's transfer window. Yet there they sit toward the top of the table -- 10 points clear of Man U.

[insert scary gleeful laugh]




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 08, 2019, 07:07:01 PM
Is ManU still owned by an American? 

I didn't even know she was wearing a thong. Shows you where my eyes were.  ;D
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 08, 2019, 07:17:38 PM

Is ManU still owned by an American? 


Yes. It was acquired, in stages, by Malcolm Glazer, and it is now wholly owned by the Glazer family and run by his son Avram Glazer.



I didn't even know she was wearing a thong. Shows you where my eyes were.  ;D


I've long had a thing for athletic women, and a parallel and strong turn-off for models posing as athletes. Like the woman in question. So, the first thing I noticed was "fake boobs."




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 08, 2019, 07:24:32 PM

Is ManU still owned by an American? 


Yes. It was acquired, in stages, by Malcolm Glazer, and it is now wholly owned by the Glazer family and run by his son Avram Glazer.



I didn't even know she was wearing a thong. Shows you where my eyes were.  ;D


I've long had a thing for athletic women, and a parallel and strong turn-off for models posing as athletes. Like the woman in question. So, the first thing I noticed was "fake boobs."



My eagle eyes are failing me.  Missed those too.  But you are right on models posing as athletes. I just wanted to post a sexy pic, not a porn pic. Arghhh
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: psiberzerker on January 08, 2019, 10:50:36 PM
(http://media.giphy.com/media/4UfSR0tteCeLm/giphy.gif)

IDFK if she's a "Real" soccer player.

(http://i.gifer.com/HLKz.gif)

Do you care?

(http://media.giphy.com/media/PHcpgXE7iaQYU/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 09, 2019, 12:19:03 AM
(http://media.giphy.com/media/4UfSR0tteCeLm/giphy.gif)

IDFK if she's a "Real" soccer player.

(http://i.gifer.com/HLKz.gif)

Do you care?

(http://media.giphy.com/media/PHcpgXE7iaQYU/giphy.gif)


On the one hand, she's not.

On the other hand, I don't.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: psiberzerker on January 09, 2019, 12:42:15 AM
(http://i.gifer.com/N4Pd.gif)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 09, 2019, 02:48:31 PM

(http://i.gifer.com/N4Pd.gif)


Okay, this is scary:

When I wrote, above, "I've long had a thing for athletic women," she was precisely the woman I had in mind.

She makes my heart melt (and she's also the heart and soul of the USWNT).





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 09, 2019, 04:00:10 PM
To get back on track, Harry Kane and the Spurs won their match yesterday 1-0 when he scored on a first half penalty kick to beat Chelsea in the first leg of its League Cup semifinal.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: psiberzerker on January 09, 2019, 04:09:09 PM
When I wrote, above, "I've long had a thing for athletic women," she was precisely the woman I had in mind.

Yeah, she's usually the one they're talking about.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 09, 2019, 04:20:01 PM
[quote author=MissBarbara link=topic=64643.msg530878#msg530878

........Regardless, I appreciate your adding your comments to this thread. It's great to have an actual Englishman comment on English football, and not just some Janey-Come-Lately Yank like me..............

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[/quote]

Always pleased to help out even a Spurs fan.  ;D

Need any help with cricket?



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 09, 2019, 04:28:41 PM

a) Historically, the word "football" had nothing to do with kicking the ball. Association Football and Rugby Football (and, from them, American Football), are called "football" because they are played on foot, and not on horseback. Similarly, calling Association Football simply "Football" is technically incorrect, since removing the modifier removes the distinction between it and several other similarly-named sports.

b) That's true. But the word "soccer" is of English origin, a shortening of the term "Association Football." So it's your fault we use this term.

c) Every sport is "boring" if you don't understand it, or can't appreciate it. When I was an undergrad I went to a Cubs game (baseball) with a friend from India, and she was bored out of her skull. (And when she asked why the fan in the bleachers who caught the home run ball hit by the opposing team instantly threw it back onto the field, I gave up trying to explain it to her.) And I had that exact discussion about soccer/football vs. basketball a couple of days ago. Currently, in an NBA game, an average of 227 points are scored. In a Premier League match, an average of 2.84 goals are scored. The average American sports fan would argue that that's proof that soccer/football is boring. I would argue that the relatively low number of goals shows that each goal has incomparably higher value than an NBA basket, where so many points are scored that basket become relatively meaningless.









a) why isn't polo called horseball then?  ;D

c) Your words on the football v basketball scoring encapsulate my thoughts very succinctly.  Back in the 60s our World Cup winning manager Alf Ramsey (who also managed Ipswich) had a reputation for telling fans that they had seen some very good 0-0 draws.  He was right, sometimes!

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: Jed_ on January 09, 2019, 04:29:43 PM

(http://i.gifer.com/N4Pd.gif)


Okay, this is scary:

When I wrote, above, "I've long had a thing for athletic women," she was precisely the woman I had in mind.

She makes my heart melt (and she's also the heart and soul of the USWNT).








Not exactly who first comes to mind with me. . . .


(https://i.imgur.com/nczte5Z.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 09, 2019, 04:35:08 PM
^^^^  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ^^^^
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: psiberzerker on January 09, 2019, 04:41:02 PM
I apologize ahead of time for derailing, but when I hear the phrase "Athletic women," my first thought is always Lisa Lyon:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZBUdrmJ.jpg)

She's not a football player (WNBA) but I'l add Brittney Griner:

(http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2015/0730/060_mag_body_Griner12_RW_1536x1836.jpg)

She's also 6'9" tall.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 09, 2019, 05:50:33 PM

To get back on track, Harry Kane and the Spurs won their match yesterday 1-0 when he scored on a first half penalty kick to beat Chelsea in the first leg of its League Cup semifinal.


Okay, @Obidong, I'm taking you up on your offer of help:

I know what the FA Cup is (and, in passing, the Spurs are still very much alive there), but what is this League Cup, a.k.a. Carabao Cup? How does it differ from the FA Cup? Is it simply that the FA Cup goes down more levels than the League Cup?




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MintJulie on January 09, 2019, 05:54:06 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/nczte5Z.jpg)

Took me a few seconds, but... that's funny.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: Jed_ on January 09, 2019, 05:57:14 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/nczte5Z.jpg)

Took me a few seconds, but... that's funny.



When we were watching the women’s World Cup a few years back, we were drooling a bit over Hope Solo.  One of my friends talked incessantly about her.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 09, 2019, 06:04:33 PM

a) why isn't polo called horseball then?  ;D

c) Your words on the football v basketball scoring encapsulate my thoughts very succinctly.  Back in the 60s our World Cup winning manager Alf Ramsey (who also managed Ipswich) had a reputation for telling fans that they had seen some very good 0-0 draws.  He was right, sometimes!


a) Good question! I just googled it, and the name of the sport derives from an Indian (or perhaps Tibetan) word for "brave wanderer." Or maybe it's the English derivation of the Manipurese word for "ball." It originated in Iran, or maybe Turkey, or perhaps China, India, Iran, Mongolia, or Pakistan.

c) To be fair, I'm not much of a sports fan, other than watching my favorite teams play (Cubs, Bears, and Bulls in the Jordan years). And even then, I'm far from an expert. But what captivates me about football/soccer is the flow and movement, the different skills needed for each position, and the beauty of a series of well-made passes leading to a shot on goal. Quantity of scoring isn't a top priority, and I have watch 0-0 ties/draws that I found exhilarating. The typical American response to soccer/football is that it's boring because there's so little scoring. Well, if you're looking for quantity of scoring, watch an NBA game.

P.S. I haven't the slightest idea what "Manipurese" means, or where Manipur is.





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 10, 2019, 12:47:22 AM
The great Brazilian footballer, Pele, once described football as a chess game. A player has to to see at least two or three moves ahead.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 10, 2019, 01:13:13 PM

To get back on track, Harry Kane and the Spurs won their match yesterday 1-0 when he scored on a first half penalty kick to beat Chelsea in the first leg of its League Cup semifinal.


Okay, @Obidong, I'm taking you up on your offer of help:

I know what the FA Cup is (and, in passing, the Spurs are still very much alive there), but what is this League Cup, a.k.a. Carabao Cup? How does it differ from the FA Cup? Is it simply that the FA Cup goes down more levels than the League Cup?



FA Cup v League Cup (aka Carabao Cup but has had different sponsors in the past, even the Milk Marketing Board)

The short answer is that you have hit the nail on the head.  But I do love to hear the sound of my own typing, so now for the long answer.

Any club in the land, professional or amateur, from the lowest pub football team upwards can apply to join the Football Association and abide by its rules and regulations.  They can all enter the FA cup and there are many more preliminary knock out rounds than you probably have heard of in the American press.  At what we call the first round proper the teams in the third and fourth level (currently called Leagues 1 & 2) join in.  At the third round, played in early January, teams in the first and second professional level (currently called Premier League & Championship) join in.  So theoretically anyone can win and you get some great matches which on paper are completely one sided but deliver a real upset and some of these happened last weekend.

You can probably tell that the FA cup is a great favourite of mine and when I was young it had as much prestige, if not more, as winning the league.  I dislike anyone disrespecting it and unfortunately some of its traditions are being gradually eroded away by the demands of commercialism.

The League cup was only founded in the 60s and is restricted to teams in the first four levels of professional football and begins soon after the start of the season with the final in February.  Teams that are also involved in European games do not join in until the third knock out round.  It has been referred to as the Tin Cup or Mickey Mouse Cup by supporters of teams that win more prestigious trophies, until they win it themselves of course.  The manager of Chelsea  has just said that it is more difficult to win, meaning you can get lucky with the draw (which are done randomly in both) in the FA cup and get an easy path to the final.  I will be at Stamford Bridge for the second leg of the semi-final.

(https://pics.me.me/when-liverpool-wonthe-league-cup-fa-cup-and-uefa-cup-21722238.png)

UEFA Cup now called Europa League

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 10, 2019, 01:17:41 PM

a) why isn't polo called horseball then?  ;D

c) Your words on the football v basketball scoring encapsulate my thoughts very succinctly.  Back in the 60s our World Cup winning manager Alf Ramsey (who also managed Ipswich) had a reputation for telling fans that they had seen some very good 0-0 draws.  He was right, sometimes!


a) Good question! I just googled it, and the name of the sport derives from an Indian (or perhaps Tibetan) word for "brave wanderer." Or maybe it's the English derivation of the Manipurese word for "ball." It originated in Iran, or maybe Turkey, or perhaps China, India, Iran, Mongolia, or Pakistan.

c) To be fair, I'm not much of a sports fan, other than watching my favorite teams play (Cubs, Bears, and Bulls in the Jordan years). And even then, I'm far from an expert. But what captivates me about football/soccer is the flow and movement, the different skills needed for each position, and the beauty of a series of well-made passes leading to a shot on goal. Quantity of scoring isn't a top priority, and I have watch 0-0 ties/draws that I found exhilarating. The typical American response to soccer/football is that it's boring because there's so little scoring. Well, if you're looking for quantity of scoring, watch an NBA game.

P.S. I haven't the slightest idea what "Manipurese" means, or where Manipur is.

Manipur is a a state in India https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manipur
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 14, 2019, 02:25:00 AM
MissB -  Evil won Sunday.  8)  ManU's goalkeeper made some great saves.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 14, 2019, 04:32:53 PM
I spent money to pay-per-view two teams I don't support, but have an interest in.  It was a good game and proves MissB's assertion about the value of a single goal.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 14, 2019, 05:26:03 PM

I spent money to pay-per-view two teams I don't support, but have an interest in.  It was a good game and proves MissB's assertion about the value of a single goal.


You may have already mentioned it, but which side(s) do you support?

Also, how do people in the U.K. who aren't supporters view Man U?

P.S. I spent yesterday afternoon watching, back-to-back, Barcelona vs. Eibar and Real Betis vs. Real Madrid. I thoroughly enjoyed myself.





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 14, 2019, 05:59:36 PM
ManU probably can be compared to our major league baseball team, the Yankees or even Notre Dame University.  You either love them or you hate them. They have had winning seasons for a long time and seem to be able to bring in young, talented players as older, more established players leave.  Personally, I thought the Spurs outplayed ManU and had way more attempts to score but for the great goalkeeping of ManU. Harry Kane was the best player on the field.

Spain and Germany are fielding teams now that can play and beat the best of EPL.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 14, 2019, 06:10:00 PM

I spent money to pay-per-view two teams I don't support, but have an interest in.  It was a good game and proves MissB's assertion about the value of a single goal.


You may have already mentioned it, but which side(s) do you support?

Also, how do people in the U.K. who aren't supporters view Man U?

P.S. I spent yesterday afternoon watching, back-to-back, Barcelona vs. Eibar and Real Betis vs. Real Madrid. I thoroughly enjoyed myself.



I'm the wrong side of 60 years being a Chelsea supporter!  If I had left my choice another year I would have been a Spurs supporter.  Most non-Man U supporters resent them for their collection of silverware (how irrational is that?), and because of their widespread support throughout the world (although commercialism means other clubs are catching up).  I started watching and playing football before the upsurge in violence in the late 60s which continued into the 70s and 80s.  Therefore I was brought up to have a hierarchy, i.e. your team first, then London teams over northern ones (providing the result didn't affect the standing of your team), then British ones over European.  The residual effect of the past violence is that there is a great deal of tribalism in the UK related to who you support and its difficult to express admiration for another team unless you know who you are speaking too.  Most clubs will have a lunatic fringe unfortunately.

I take an interest in lots of other teams for various reasons.  I am told to hate Spurs by the lunatic fringe at Chelsea.  I don't know why, possibly for the defeat in the 1967 FA cup final.  We had a good record agains them at one stage and used to refer to the ground as 'Three Point Lane'.

You didn't see Spurs v Manure (sic  ;D) ?

I have a question which maybe relates more to American sport in general.  How do fans feel when a franchise rips their team away from them and deposits it thousands of miles away?  Do they pick another team or just watch from afar, or do they not have the allegiance to a specific team?  It happened in the UK once a few years ago and caused outrage even though it was only a move of less than 100 miles.  The loophole that allowed the new team to remain in the same league position has now been closed by the authorities.  I much despise the team that moved and much admire the team the fans built in its place.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 14, 2019, 06:13:16 PM

Spain and Germany are fielding teams now that can play and beat the best of EPL.

I would say it's been that way for a while, apart from a few notable exceptions, i.e. some Champions League triumphs.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 14, 2019, 06:55:45 PM


.   .   .


I am told to hate Spurs by the lunatic fringe at Chelsea.

.   .   .

I have a question which maybe relates more to American sport in general.  How do fans feel when a franchise rips their team away from them and deposits it thousands of miles away?  Do they pick another team or just watch from afar, or do they not have the allegiance to a specific team?  It happened in the UK once a few years ago and caused outrage even though it was only a move of less than 100 miles.  The loophole that allowed the new team to remain in the same league position has now been closed by the authorities.  I much despise the team that moved and much admire the team the fans built in its place.



I am told that as a Spurs fan I should hate Chelsea. But I don't. Yes, they're a London rival, but I have no geographic or family ties to British soccer teams. Besides, when I first began to seriously follow English football, David Luiz was (and remains) one of my favorite players. And I've long liked Willian.

Then again, I am told that as a Spurs fan I should hate Arsenal. And I do, pretty much because I am told to do so. So, go figure.

My knowledge of American sports is far less than many others here on KB, so someone else would be better qualified to answer your question. I know it's a reality -- and a really big deal for supporters/fans. I know a couple of examples (e.g. the Cleveland Browns moving to Baltimore, and the Rams moving from LA to St. Louis and back to LA), but others can speak more intelligently to this.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 14, 2019, 09:02:13 PM
Though it is not a thousand miles away, the Oakland Raiders will be moving to Las Vegas once their new stadium is completed. The Oakland fans may not be too happy and I have heard that many people in Las Vegas are not too happy either about the Raiders moving in but it is all about the money. Damn the loyal fans. Though, to be honest, some professional sport teams have moved when attendance was pitiful year after year mainly due to a poor product and by moving the owners thought a change of venue would help.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 15, 2019, 12:09:16 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara link=topic=64643.msg531904#msg531904

.......Besides, when I first began to seriously follow English football, David Luiz was (and remains) one of my favorite players. And I've long liked Willian.

.......Then again, I am told that as a Spurs fan I should hate Arsenal. And I do, pretty much because I am told to do so. So, go figure.


Ah, David Luiz,  I like him as well but he can veer from hero to zero in the space of two matches and was primarily responsible for us losing to Spurs in the league earlier in the season.

Willian is also a player I much admire, Barcelona are supposed to be interested in him though.

The Spurs - Arsenal hatred stems not only from their very close proximity in North London but also because of this travesty https://talksport.com/football/283679/what-if-arsenal-had-not-conspired-ensure-tottenham-were-relegated-1919-180208254601/


Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: vinney on January 15, 2019, 01:11:58 PM


.   .   .


I am told to hate Spurs by the lunatic fringe at Chelsea.

.   .   .

I have a question which maybe relates more to American sport in general.  How do fans feel when a franchise rips their team away from them and deposits it thousands of miles away?  Do they pick another team or just watch from afar, or do they not have the allegiance to a specific team?  It happened in the UK once a few years ago and caused outrage even though it was only a move of less than 100 miles.  The loophole that allowed the new team to remain in the same league position has now been closed by the authorities.  I much despise the team that moved and much admire the team the fans built in its place.



I am told that as a Spurs fan I should hate Chelsea. But I don't. Yes, they're a London rival, but I have no geographic or family ties to British soccer teams. Besides, when I first began to seriously follow English football, David Luiz was (and remains) one of my favorite players. And I've long liked Willian.

Then again, I am told that as a Spurs fan I should hate Arsenal. And I do, pretty much because I am told to do so. So, go figure.

My knowledge of American sports is far less than many others here on KB, so someone else would be better qualified to answer your question. I know it's a reality -- and a really big deal for supporters/fans. I know a couple of examples (e.g. the Cleveland Browns moving to Baltimore, and the Rams moving from LA to St. Louis and back to LA), but others can speak more intelligently to this.






As an Arsenal fan I just hate ALL the opponents... especially when we lose... >:(
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 15, 2019, 03:06:24 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara link=topic=64643.msg531904#msg531904

.......Besides, when I first began to seriously follow English football, David Luiz was (and remains) one of my favorite players. And I've long liked Willian.

.......Then again, I am told that as a Spurs fan I should hate Arsenal. And I do, pretty much because I am told to do so. So, go figure.


Ah, David Luiz,  I like him as well but he can veer from hero to zero in the space of two matches and was primarily responsible for us losing to Spurs in the league earlier in the season.

Willian is also a player I much admire, Barcelona are supposed to be interested in him though.

The Spurs - Arsenal hatred stems not only from their very close proximity in North London but also because of this travesty https://talksport.com/football/283679/what-if-arsenal-had-not-conspired-ensure-tottenham-were-relegated-1919-180208254601/


I think that's why I like David Luiz: You never know what he's going to do. Plus, he has the coolest hair in the Premier League.

I recall watching a match during his first tour with Chelsea where he made a completely boneheaded play on defense, that directly led to their opponents' scoring a goal. And then, a few minutes later, he made a brilliant stop, launched a perfect 60-yard pass to one of his strikers, who easily kicked it in for a goal.

That article was very interesting, though I'm a bit too young to remember the 1919 campaign...



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 15, 2019, 03:07:36 PM

As an Arsenal fan I just hate ALL the opponents... especially when we lose... >:(


And I've never been able to escape the fact that the name Arsenal contains the word arse.



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 15, 2019, 03:20:31 PM
Wow.   :emot_laughing:

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: vinney on January 15, 2019, 05:14:13 PM

As an Arsenal fan I just hate ALL the opponents... especially when we lose... >:(


And I've never been able to escape the fact that the name Arsenal contains the word arse.





And if that wasn't bad enough they had a manager named Arsene Wenger for years!
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on January 15, 2019, 05:22:34 PM

As an Arsenal fan I just hate ALL the opponents... especially when we lose... >:(


And I've never been able to escape the fact that the name Arsenal contains the word arse.


And if that wasn't bad enough they had a manager named Arsene Wenger for years!


Exactly...

That side is, literally, a bunch of arses...



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: vinney on January 15, 2019, 05:26:46 PM

As an Arsenal fan I just hate ALL the opponents... especially when we lose... >:(


And I've never been able to escape the fact that the name Arsenal contains the word arse.


And if that wasn't bad enough they had a manager named Arsene Wenger for years!


Exactly...

That side is, literally, a bunch of arses...



And the wind those arses emit could wipe out the opposition...
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 17, 2019, 01:34:42 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara link=topic=64643.msg531904#msg531904

.......Besides, when I first began to seriously follow English football, David Luiz was (and remains) one of my favorite players. And I've long liked Willian.

.......Then again, I am told that as a Spurs fan I should hate Arsenal. And I do, pretty much because I am told to do so. So, go figure.


Ah, David Luiz,  I like him as well but he can veer from hero to zero in the space of two matches and was primarily responsible for us losing to Spurs in the league earlier in the season.

Willian is also a player I much admire, Barcelona are supposed to be interested in him though.

The Spurs - Arsenal hatred stems not only from their very close proximity in North London but also because of this travesty https://talksport.com/football/283679/what-if-arsenal-had-not-conspired-ensure-tottenham-were-relegated-1919-180208254601/


I think that's why I like David Luiz: You never know what he's going to do. Plus, he has the coolest hair in the Premier League.

I recall watching a match during his first tour with Chelsea where he made a completely boneheaded play on defense, that directly led to their opponents' scoring a goal. And then, a few minutes later, he made a brilliant stop, launched a perfect 60-yard pass to one of his strikers, who easily kicked it in for a goal.

That article was very interesting, though I'm a bit too young to remember the 1919 campaign...



If it's flowing locks you're after then there are quite a few fine examples in english football at the moment.  Ethan Ampadu (also of Chelsea) looks like the lovechild of a union between Ruud Gullit in his dreadlock days and David Luiz.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/Ethan_Ampadu_2017.jpg/800px-Ethan_Ampadu_2017.jpg)

Guendouzi of Arsenal might have sprung from the same union.


(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b3/1_Matt%C3%A9o_Guendouzi_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg/1200px-1_Matt%C3%A9o_Guendouzi_2018_%28cropped%29.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 18, 2019, 01:16:11 PM

As an Arsenal fan I just hate ALL the opponents... especially when we lose... >:(


And I've never been able to escape the fact that the name Arsenal contains the word arse.




And if that wasn't bad enough they had a manager named Arsene Wenger for years!

It was written in the stars, Vinney, as soon as his parents christened him.  Like Ferguson a great manager hated by other fans for his success.  A shame his last couple of years were controversial and he didn't leave with the same adulation as Ferguson.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on August 30, 2019, 07:17:23 PM
MissB,

Arsenal now have the bragging rights on hair as David Luiz signed for them this season.  ;D

(Just don't mention the Europa League to Vinney,  oops, I think I just did)


Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on August 30, 2019, 08:04:42 PM

MissB,

Arsenal now have the bragging rights on hair as David Luiz signed for them this season.  ;D

(Just don't mention the Europa League to Vinney,  oops, I think I just did)


Well, I suppose that's one factor in the Gunners' favor.

I've been a fan of David Luiz since he joined Chelsea back in 2011. And no, not just because he has the coolest hair in the Premier League. However, once he went over the to dark side back in August, my affection for him has waned. But I have to admit it was a brilliant signing on Arsenal's part.

I know where I'll be on Sunday at 11:30 am (EDT). The match airs live here on a basic cable channel, and I can't wait.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on August 30, 2019, 09:26:31 PM


Yes I was a bit sorry to see Luiz go from Chelsea, I'm not sure what the reasons were.  He may be a bit of a liability at times especially with a "stray" elbow here and there but his range of long distance passing and glorious free kicks more than made up for it.

I hadn't noticed it was the old rivalry on Sunday.  I will be at the Chelsea game tomorrow.

A shame the Champions League final was not the best it could be for the neutral.  It would have been hard to follow those magnificent semi-finals though.



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on August 30, 2019, 09:57:00 PM

Yes I was a bit sorry to see Luiz go from Chelsea, I'm not sure what the reasons were.  He may be a bit of a liability at times especially with a "stray" elbow here and there but his range of long distance passing and glorious free kicks more than made up for it.

I hadn't noticed it was the old rivalry on Sunday.  I will be at the Chelsea game tomorrow.

A shame the Champions League final was not the best it could be for the neutral.  It would have been hard to follow those magnificent semi-finals though.


Yes, the Champions League final was hugely disappointing, and it was also a very pedestrian match. The Spurs are in what should be a winnable group for this year, but we'll see.

I recall watching a match during David Luiz's first tour with Chelsea where he made an absolutely boneheaded play that led directly to a goal for the opposing team. And then, only a minute or two later, he made a 60-70 yard pass that landed at Frank Lampard's feet for an easy goal.

I also respect David Luiz because he is a very religious man, and he gets tons of grief because of it. While I do not share his religious beliefs, I always respect someone who is willing to stick to his beliefs in the face of adversity.

And, on the doubtful chance that someone other than the two of us are reading this exchange, this is what I meant by his cool hair:

(https://i.imgur.com/OphL4tm.jpg)





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on August 31, 2019, 05:26:11 PM
I watched the MU vs Southampton match today and was not impressed by MU, who played a man up for the last 15 minutes or so and couldn't score.  They must be in a rebuilding phase. A few of their players prefer to shoot from anywhere rather then pass

MissB - I agree. Call me a throwback to the 60s-70s but "give me a head with hair, long, beautiful hair..." ;D ;D
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on August 31, 2019, 08:03:12 PM

I hadn't noticed it was the old rivalry on Sunday.  I will be at the Chelsea game tomorrow.


Obi - shame Chelsea gave up a goal in the 90th minute to even the score. Off their defender to add insult.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on August 31, 2019, 09:40:30 PM

I hadn't noticed it was the old rivalry on Sunday.  I will be at the Chelsea game tomorrow.


Obi - shame Chelsea gave up a goal in the 90th minute to even the score. Off their defender to add insult.


I watched that match this morning, and every time the camera scanned the crowd, I tried to find ObiDong, but I never saw him. Then again, I haven't the slightest idea what he looks like.

I'm wearing my Harry Kane Jersey today, and when I was at a local supermarket I bumped into a guy wearing an Arsenal jersey. We had a very friendly chat, but I'm sure that both of us on the inside were seething with hatred.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on September 01, 2019, 01:02:45 PM

I watched that match this morning, and every time the camera scanned the crowd, I tried to find ObiDong, but I never saw him. Then again, I haven't the slightest idea what he looks like.



(https://i.imgur.com/kJKdQPm.jpg)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on September 01, 2019, 01:04:29 PM

I hadn't noticed it was the old rivalry on Sunday.  I will be at the Chelsea game tomorrow.


Obi - shame Chelsea gave up a goal in the 90th minute to even the score. Off their defender to add insult.

Very annoying.  Our defence needs to realise its a game of two halves.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on September 01, 2019, 01:07:25 PM

Slight diversion of thread but if anyone wants to see real men play football, watch the Gaelic Final between Dublin & Kerry at 3:30 UK time today.  Dublin going for a record 5 wins in a row.


Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on September 01, 2019, 09:30:49 PM

Very annoying.  Our defence needs to realise its a game of two halves.


The exact same thing can be said about the Spurs in their match against Arsenal this morning...




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on September 02, 2019, 03:15:55 PM
Obi - MissB on the pitch  8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xdXhvGhx/818-1000.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on September 02, 2019, 05:57:21 PM

Very annoying.  Our defence needs to realise its a game of two halves.


The exact same thing can be said about the Spurs in their match against Arsenal this morning...




Exactly, I caught the second half once the Gaelic football finished.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on September 02, 2019, 11:46:54 PM

Obi - MissB on the pitch  8)

(https://i.postimg.cc/xdXhvGhx/818-1000.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)


Watcher, I gave you very strict instructions when I sent you my pic that you never post in on the board.

How could you?!?

;)




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on September 03, 2019, 11:18:44 PM

Watcher, I gave you very strict instructions when I sent you my pic that you never post in on the board.

How could you?!?

;)



But if you have it, why not flaunt it?  ;D  Of course, I am willing to take any punishment you think necessary, for violating our secret.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on June 17, 2020, 04:05:10 PM
SOCCER IS BACK!

Well, kind of...

The COVID-19 pandemic shut down soccer/football in early March. Beginning in late May, the top flight European leagues have been slowly -- and safely -- re-opening, but with a big catch.

The Bundesliga (the top flight German professional league) re-opened on May 17. They implemented a long list of safety precautions: Players and staff are tested for COVID weekly, their temperatures are taken before they can enter the stadium, substitutes and team personnel wear masks and sit at least six feet apart from each other, and the like. But the biggest change is that the matches are played in empty stadiums. And it's a very strange experience.

One of the first re-opening matches I watched was Bayern Munch vs. Frankfurt, which was played in Bayern's 85,000-seat stadium. Incuding the players, substitutes, team staff, and other officials, there were no more than 100 people there, and the match was played in relative silence. It was eerie. One interesting aspect is that you could clearly hear the ball being kicked, and you could listen as the players and coaches yelled to each other. While I don't speak a word of German, it was still interesting to hear all the interaction.

In more recent matches, they have begun pumping recorded crowd noises into the stadium and digitally projecting fans in the seats. On top of that, there's someone at a control board somewhere, and the fan sounds react to the play on the pitch. At one point in a match a watched this past weekend, a player from the home team took a beautiful shot, and the fan sounds roared in approval. This prompted the announcer to say, "And the virtual crowd goes wild!"

La Liga (Spain) re-opened last weekend, and the English Premier League re-opens today. In both leagues they're contracting the schedules to fit in all the remaining matches. That means that teams will be playing twice a week until late July. That's a lot of soccer!



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on June 17, 2020, 06:06:09 PM
Playing in stadiums without any fans?  lol  I played three years of college soccer in front of empty stands.  ;D

But glad to see one sport returning. Pro golf returned last weekend. Maybe pro baseball will get their act together and begin playing soon.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 08, 2020, 04:59:37 PM


For ODK, with love...



(https://i.imgur.com/d63cfSO.png)
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 08, 2020, 06:53:09 PM
How the mighty Red Army, ManU, has fallen....
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 08, 2020, 07:55:45 PM

How the mighty Red Army, ManU, has fallen....


Not only have they fallen in general, but a couple of weeks ago they fell to Tottenhm Hotspur 6-1.

Life is good.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 08, 2020, 08:52:26 PM
 ;D

Sadly for MissB top of the pile only lasted two hours

(https://i.imgur.com/DSjRwTU.png)

 
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 09, 2020, 03:33:08 PM

How the mighty Red Army, ManU, has fallen....


Not only have they fallen in general, but a couple of weeks ago they fell to Tottenhm Hotspur 6-1.

Life is good.



And big money is flowing to other teams. I think they call it parity.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 09, 2020, 04:49:26 PM

How the mighty Red Army, ManU, has fallen....


Not only have they fallen in general, but a couple of weeks ago they fell to Tottenhm Hotspur 6-1.

Life is good.



And big money is flowing to other teams. I think they call it parity.

But only to a very few other teams I'm afraid Watcher.  We are a long way from parity; maybe we need a draft pick system.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 09, 2020, 05:53:32 PM

 ;D

Sadly for MissB top of the pile only lasted two hours


That's true. But they were a pretty wonderful two hours...



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 09, 2020, 06:06:32 PM

How the mighty Red Army, ManU, has fallen....


Not only have they fallen in general, but a couple of weeks ago they fell to Tottenhm Hotspur 6-1.

Life is good.


And big money is flowing to other teams. I think they call it parity.


But only to a very few other teams I'm afraid Watcher.  We are a long way from parity; maybe we need a draft pick system.


Exactly.

On top of that, the EPL is only in week 8, and there are still 30 matches yet to play.

For example, Man City currently sits in 10th place, but they're only 6 points (two wins) out of first place. And while I'm rejoicing over Man U's lowly 14th place standing, they're only 8 points from the top of the table.

The big question right now is whether any of the "surprise" teams toward the top of the table can maintain their positions. ODK can speak to this with much more authority than I, but while Everton and Leicester look like solid teams (and I've long had a soft spot for James Rodriguez), but teams like Southampton and Aston Villa will have a very tough time maintaining their positions. Southampton's victories have all come against lower-table teams (and, for the record they lost to Spurs 5-2 back in late September).




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 09, 2020, 06:34:13 PM

The lack of fans may be diluting the home advantage somewhat.  It will be interesting to see if the perennial mid table teams do better because of it.  In top flight UK soccer the away fans are limited to 10% of the ticket allocation (this rises to 15% for the FA Cup), and segregated into remote parts of the stadium. How does this compare to American sports?

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 09, 2020, 07:06:25 PM

The lack of fans may be diluting the home advantage somewhat. 


You may be right. After all, Spurs beat Man U 6-1 at Old Trafford.

(And no, I will never grow tired of mentioning that match.)





Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 09, 2020, 07:13:50 PM

The lack of fans may be diluting the home advantage somewhat. 


You may be right. After all, Spurs beat Man U 6-1 at Old Trafford.

(And no, I will never grow tired of mentioning that match.)




Have you seen the Amazon Prime series "All Or Nothing" about the Spurs 19/20 season?

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 09, 2020, 08:30:24 PM

The lack of fans may be diluting the home advantage somewhat.  It will be interesting to see if the perennial mid table teams do better because of it.  In top flight UK soccer the away fans are limited to 10% of the ticket allocation (this rises to 15% for the FA Cup), and segregated into remote parts of the stadium. How does this compare to American sports?



For professional sports, most of the good seats are reserved for season ticket holders. One game tickets can be purchased by anyone, home fans or visiting fans, but their seats may be far from the action.

In soccer, I always liked to be high up in the stands so I could see the offensive plays develop and watch as the strikers sprint forward to accept passes from the midfielders.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 09, 2020, 10:01:24 PM

Have you seen the Amazon Prime series "All Or Nothing" about the Spurs 19/20 season?


No, I hadn't even heard of it.

I just added it to my watchlist!



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 10, 2020, 04:35:12 PM

Have you seen the Amazon Prime series "All Or Nothing" about the Spurs 19/20 season?


No, I hadn't even heard of it.

I just added it to my watchlist!



Hope it isn't a spoiler, but I was disappointed to see that they didn't feature the Bayern Munich game  ;D

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 21, 2020, 09:31:02 PM

I know, ODK.

But still:


(https://i.imgur.com/OLibrLC.png)




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 22, 2020, 02:35:00 AM
Tottenham plays Chelsea next weekend.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 22, 2020, 12:41:47 PM

Spurs top of the table overnight and MissB & I will be hoping Liverpool v Leicester is a draw this evening.

Could be tasty next weekend  ;D



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 22, 2020, 11:03:09 PM

Spurs top of the table overnight and MissB & I will be hoping Liverpool v Leicester is a draw this evening.

Could be tasty next weekend  ;D


Overnight...and for at least five more days.

Liverpool won, but Spurs have the edge on goal differential.

I know where I'll be next Sunday at 11:30 am (EST).



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 23, 2020, 03:06:46 AM
Leicester was totally outplayed by Liverpool.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 23, 2020, 12:32:57 PM
Leicester was totally outplayed by Liverpool.

Sadly, yes Watcher.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: Johnny on November 24, 2020, 11:36:13 AM

I know, ODK.

But still:


(https://i.imgur.com/OLibrLC.png)




Jesus, it's been a rough couple of years for Southampton fans. Finally some good news.






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Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 26, 2020, 02:23:21 AM
Argentine great, Diego Maradona, passed away today at the age of 60. For those of us who saw him play for his native country against teams from West Germany and England, he was one of the best.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 26, 2020, 06:39:32 PM
Argentine great, Diego Maradona, passed away today at the age of 60. For those of us who saw him play for his native country against teams from West Germany and England, he was one of the best.

1986 - scored the worst goal in World Cup history - 4 minutes later, scored the best goal in World Cup history.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 27, 2020, 02:36:40 AM
Argentine great, Diego Maradona, passed away today at the age of 60. For those of us who saw him play for his native country against teams from West Germany and England, he was one of the best.

1986 - scored the worst goal in World Cup history - 4 minutes later, scored the best goal in World Cup history.

Was that the goal he scored using his hand?
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 27, 2020, 06:04:48 PM
Argentine great, Diego Maradona, passed away today at the age of 60. For those of us who saw him play for his native country against teams from West Germany and England, he was one of the best.

1986 - scored the worst goal in World Cup history - 4 minutes later, scored the best goal in World Cup history.

Was that the goal he scored using his hand?

Not his hand.  Apparently it was the hand of God.  ;D

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 27, 2020, 06:09:23 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/eyZPDME.jpg)

Terry Fenwick was one of the defenders in the 1986 game.



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 29, 2020, 08:07:53 PM
The Chelsea - Tottenham match was pretty much what one would presume a match between the first and second place teams would be. Way to many passes, especially in the box, instead of shooting.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 30, 2020, 05:04:29 PM
The Chelsea - Tottenham match was pretty much what one would presume a match between the first and second place teams would be. Way to many passes, especially in the box, instead of shooting.

Sadly both teams seemed more intent on not losing than they did on winning.  Certainly not a match to entertain a neutral supporter.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on November 30, 2020, 08:40:44 PM
Obi - the first half reminded my of how the Germans stall when they are leading in a match. Pass back and forth amongst the backs and midfielders. Tottenham knew if they had a draw they would still advance to 1st place.  Wasn't even a match of interest for a fan let alone neutral supporters.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on November 30, 2020, 08:58:53 PM

Obi - the first half reminded my of how the Germans stall when they are leading in a match. Pass back and forth amongst the backs and midfielders. Tottenham knew if they had a draw they would still advance to 1st place.  Wasn't even a match of interest for a fan let alone neutral supporters.


One tiny correction: With a draw, Tottenham REMAINED in first place.

But I don't think that was on their minds. I think, as ODK put it, both teams were unwilling to take risks, and both were overly defensive.



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on December 06, 2020, 01:26:36 AM

As someone who believes in giving credit where it is due. props (at least temporarily) to ODK:

(https://i.imgur.com/WYLCgpp.png)


What's interesting to me is that four weeks ago, the top spots on the table were up for grabs, and the big six had given way to several other teams (Southampton, Leicester, Wolverhampton Everton, even Aston Villa). Four weeks later, five of the top six spots are occupied by five of the big six teams.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 06, 2020, 03:56:22 AM
Watched the ManU match. ManU played poorly the first half then made a couple of substitutions for the second half and scored three goals to win, I think, their fifth away game in a row, coming from behind in all their road wins.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 06, 2020, 08:16:29 PM

I think the order at the top of the Premier League may have changed in MissB's favour in the last hour or so.  :(

Good to see that the Leeds v Chelsea game was played at full speed though (and Pulisic scored). The 2000 fans that are now allowed in stadiums made more noise than I expected.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 06, 2020, 08:40:35 PM
Good to see an American born player doing good in the toughest league in the world.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 06, 2020, 08:49:05 PM
Good to see an American born player doing good in the toughest league in the world.

Great player, but we are worried he might be injury prone, aka "a sicknote"

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 06, 2020, 08:55:05 PM


What's interesting to me is that four weeks ago, the top spots on the table were up for grabs, and the big six had given way to several other teams (Southampton, Leicester, Wolverhampton Everton, even Aston Villa). Four weeks later, five of the top six spots are occupied by five of the big six teams.



I think we may be seeing the restoration of the big money status quo.  The one big six team missing is your perennial rivals, Arsenal, who you consigned to 15th place today as their run of bad performances continues.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on December 06, 2020, 10:06:47 PM

I think the order at the top of the Premier League may have changed in MissB's favour in the last hour or so.  :(


Indeed.

And unless Liverpool score five goals in the next three minutes, we'll remain there for at least six more days...




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 11, 2020, 04:16:25 PM

RIP the great Paolo Rossi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Rossi) at the relatively young age of 64. Hero of Italy's World Cup win of 1982 and one of only three players to have won the World Cup, the Golden Boot and best player in a single tournament.  Also in 1982 he was voted Europe's best player. 

I remember that tournament because there was discussion about UK teams participating because of the Falklands War and possible contact with the Argentinian team. And because England were eliminated without losing a game!



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 11, 2020, 08:36:59 PM
I remember Rossi. Italy had a good team then. AC Milan and Juventus were powerhouses.  Sad to hear he died.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on December 13, 2020, 08:18:20 PM

There were a lot of draws this weekend, and Southampton leapt up to third on the table, only two points out of first.


(https://i.imgur.com/gBWw17V.png)

"But MissBarbara, you DO realize that we all have phones, and we can check the results ourselves without your having to post them here."

Yes, I'm aware, but I'm only trying to be helpful.

"But MissBarbara, you're only posting it so you can brag about the fact that your team tops the table for another week!"

Maybe.



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 14, 2020, 01:59:09 AM
Go ahead and brag, MissB. You have been a Spurs fan for a long time.  ;D
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 15, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
Yes, I'm aware, but I'm only trying to be helpful.

"But MissBarbara, you're only posting it so you can brag about the fact that your team tops the table for another week!"

Maybe.



Courtesy of a lacklustre performance from Chelsea and a great one from Fulham  ;D

Should be a tasty game when Spurs are at Liverpool tomorrow. Liverpool should be more adventurous than Chelsea were when Spurs visited Stamford Bridge.


Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on December 15, 2020, 02:43:51 PM

Yes, I'm aware, but I'm only trying to be helpful.

"But MissBarbara, you're only posting it so you can brag about the fact that your team tops the table for another week!"

Maybe.




Courtesy of a lacklustre performance from Chelsea and a great one from Fulham  ;D

Should be a tasty game when Spurs are at Liverpool tomorrow. Liverpool should be more adventurous than Chelsea were when Spurs visited Stamford Bridge.


Exactly.

Given the congestion at the top of the table, it's possible that by the end of the day tomorrow, Spurs could be in 5th place.




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 15, 2020, 06:50:24 PM

RIP Gerard Houllier (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/14/phil-thompson-tribute-gerard-houllier-liverpool-togetherness). I always liked him as a manager.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 16, 2020, 02:42:45 AM
Chelsea's back line fell asleep at the end of the game and allowed Neto to sprint past them and score the winning goal.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 16, 2020, 01:29:49 PM

Yes, very dispiriting display all round.
:(

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on December 16, 2020, 03:34:19 PM

Yes, very dispiriting display all round.
:(


At the risk of sounding like Pollyanna, the upside is that Chelsea are still only three points out of first place.

Unfortunately, I have a Zoom conference this afternoon that almost completely overlaps with the Liverpool v. Spurs match, but my phone will be sitting right next to my laptop...




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 16, 2020, 05:02:27 PM
A question to my soccer friends - Do you think that with more matches being played by the players every year, should the leagues increase the number of substitutions?  Maybe by one or two at the most.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 16, 2020, 06:16:36 PM
A question to my soccer friends - Do you think that with more matches being played by the players every year, should the leagues increase the number of substitutions?  Maybe by one or two at the most.

That is being hotly debated amongst the UK managers at the moment, watcher.  More substitutes benefits teams with more money because they have the greater depth of squads.  Two extra substitutes is what is being requested, and is allowed in UEFA games.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 16, 2020, 06:25:59 PM

Yes, very dispiriting display all round.
:(


At the risk of sounding like Pollyanna, the upside is that Chelsea are still only three points out of first place.

Unfortunately, I have a Zoom conference this afternoon that almost completely overlaps with the Liverpool v. Spurs match, but my phone will be sitting right next to my laptop...



That's unlucky. 

As I write most other teams have at least one game in hand over Chelsea and with a tough game against West Ham this weekend we could be slipping down the league.

Breaking news - West Brom fire manager Slaven Bilic and hire Sam Allardyce and his assistant Sammy Lee.  Big Sam and Little Sam back in the Premier League.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on December 16, 2020, 08:26:18 PM

A question to my soccer friends - Do you think that with more matches being played by the players every year, should the leagues increase the number of substitutions?  Maybe by one or two at the most.


That is being hotly debated amongst the UK managers at the moment, watcher.  More substitutes benefits teams with more money because they have the greater depth of squads.  Two extra substitutes is what is being requested, and is allowed in UEFA games.


As I understand it -- and I bow to ODK's superior knowledge -- initially there were no substitutes in official football matches, under the original FA rules (which were enacted while Lincoln was in the White House). A couple of decades later, one substitute was sanctioned, by only for use in the event of a serious injury. Eventually, a second sub was added, and then, at some point in the 1990s, a third was added.

Fast forward to 2019 and the COVID-19 pandemic. In May, as teams were getting ready to restart their seasons/competitions, the rules were temporarily amended to allow for five substitutions, based on the assumption that players would not be in game shape, and to account for the fact that teams were playing more matches in a shorter period ot time. In August 2020, that temporary amendment was extended to include play through June 2021.

(The obsessiveness with which I researched this 9 months ago led me to the point where I can now explain the difference between the FA, the IFAB, and FIFA.)

Virtually all top flight competitions across the globe, including both domestic leagues and international competitions, have adopted the five-substitute rule -- except for the English Premier League. And, apparently, many Premier League managers and executives are pressuring the league to go back to allowing five substitutes.

Watcher is correct: Given the increased number of competitions, top teas are playing more matches than in the past.

11/26 - Europa match
11/29 - EPL match
12/3 - Europa match
12/6 - EPL match
12/10 - Europa match
12/13 - EPL match
12/16 - EPL match
12/20 - EPL match
12/23 - Europa match
12.27 - EPL match

That's 10 matches in the space of one month!



Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 17, 2020, 01:53:26 PM
As always MissB, your analysis is spot on. I well remember games with no substitutes, and many a time injured players were pushed out to the wings just to limp along and stay on the pitch in order to be some sort of nuisance to the opposition.  The most famous example of an injured player staying on the pitch in the most extreme circumstances has to be Bert Trautmann (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bert_Trautmann) in the 1956 FA Cup Final.  Despite it being only 11 years after the end of WW II and the fact that he won the Iron Cross fighting against the allies he became a much loved German goalkeeper for Manchester City and he played the last 17 minutes of the match with a broken neck; and stayed in goal!


Commiserations for a last minute goal defeat - always hard to take.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 17, 2020, 03:18:28 PM
I am guessing three fourths of the game was played in the Spur's half of the field. If Liverpool would have taken more shots on goal when they were in the 6 yard box instead of trying to pass through a wall of defenders, their goal total would have been higher.

The Spurs, though, have a good fast break game. Keeps the defense on their toes.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 26, 2020, 03:27:15 PM
ManU inching up in the standings. Leicester and ManU played to a 2-2 draw today.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: MissBarbara on December 26, 2020, 11:11:26 PM

ManU inching up in the standings. Leicester and ManU played to a 2-2 draw today.


At this point, watching the table is almost pointless, since team's #2-9 are separated by only four points. For example, Spurs are currently in 8th place, and a win tomorrow will put them in 3rd, and only three points our of 1st.

Consolations to ODK...




Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 27, 2020, 03:51:30 AM
I saw that. Was just impressed that ManU has lost in six or seven straight games.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 27, 2020, 11:49:23 AM


Consolations to ODK...



And some very strong sedatives!

What a shambles. You can always, and I mean more than 60 years of always, trust Chelsea to give an out of form team a boost of confidence.  We never kick anybody when they are down.

I am a great admirer of Frank Lampard as a player and a person.  I was luck enough, very lucky indeed as it was an away match, to get a ticket to the game when he became Chelsea's all time top scorer.  I met him a few months later and he kindly signed the programme for that match. However, I wish he would display the passion he had as a player when he is on the touchline.  He never seems to impart any sense of urgency or passion to the players, I can only hope it's different in the dressing room.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 27, 2020, 03:47:33 PM
I turned the match off when it was Arsenal up by two and Chelsea was playing like they would prefer to be anywhere but there. Chelsea must have read the standings and thought they would have an easy match.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on December 30, 2020, 12:28:38 AM
ManU had to wait until there was one minute left in stoppage time to break a 0 - 0 tie with the Wolves. Both the Wolves and Aston Villa look like two good teams.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on December 31, 2020, 02:46:35 PM

I was supporting Wolves in that game, a shame they succumbed in "Fergie time".  And Newcastle held Liverpool. Unusually tight at the top of the PL, only 7 points cover the top 9 teams.

Another mediocre display from Chelsea  :(

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 02, 2021, 02:03:36 AM
The Red Army keeps marching. Now tied with Liverpool at the top. Good game against Aston Villa. Some really good goal keeping.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 02, 2021, 02:30:24 PM

RIP Tommy Docherty (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Docherty), iconic manager of the 60s and 70s.

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 02, 2021, 02:32:36 PM
The Red Army keeps marching. Now tied with Liverpool at the top. Good game against Aston Villa. Some really good goal keeping.

And a few short weeks ago some were calling for OGS to be sacked!

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 04, 2021, 12:11:37 AM
Obi, you could tell it wasn't  Chelsea's day when not only did they give up three quick goals but Werner kicked the corner flag instead of the ball on a corner kick.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on January 04, 2021, 06:38:19 PM
Obi, you could tell it wasn't  Chelsea's day when not only did they give up three quick goals but Werner kicked the corner flag instead of the ball on a corner kick.

Another miserable capitulation  :(

Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 18, 2021, 02:37:07 AM
Watched the ManU vs Liverpool match. Though it was a 0 - 0 tie, Liverpool seemed to be the better team today but ManU's defense was tough.  ManU still in first.
Title: Re: Soccer
Post by: watcher1 on January 21, 2021, 03:02:20 AM
Thirteen matches in a row without a loss for ManU after tonight's win over Fulham. Best streak in the five top European leagues!

Probably just jinxed them.... ;D