KRISTEN'S BOARD
1408 => Politics => Topic started by: joan1984 on September 20, 2019, 05:42:05 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=LQMkcSrJVtk
NYC Mayor Bill Deblazio drops out of Democrat Primary.
Morning Joe says why not another few months.. otherwise
SILENCE, generally...
We will all miss you, Mayor Bill!
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NYC Mayor Bill Deblazio drops out of Democrat Primary.
...and the news comes as a surprise to exactly seven people in the entire country...
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Good, we need to focus on 1. Good president. (There's also some Senate seats up for grabs.)
I look forward to see who the GoP comes up with in their Primary as well.
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I look forward to see who the GoP comes up with in their Primary as well.
My money is on Mark Sanford. Gotta love a guy that makes up a story about hiking the Appalachian Trail to hide he’s fucking a Latina. I like fucking Latinas too, did it just last night. I like hiking too, but not as much as fucking Latinas. So, I get it!
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Gotta love a guy that makes up a story about hiking the Appalachian Trail to hide he’s fucking a Latina.
I heard it was the Tallahassee Trail.
You mean I've been lied to, by my government?
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Doesn’t matter when the hiking is fake, as long as the Latina isn’t.
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I'm not placing any bets, but I can say that Paul Ryan would have a viable shot.
Doesn’t matter when the hiking is fake, as long as the Latina isn’t.
The smart thing to do would be to take your Latina lover hiking with you, so you don't have to lie.
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She was in Argentina. So was he.
He could have hiked there?
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The andes are just a bit more advanced than the AT. I have to say.
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The andes are just a bit more advanced than the AT. I have to say.
The Inca Trail I was on last night was nice exercise.
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NYC Mayor Bill Deblazio drops out of Democrat Primary.
...and the news comes as a surprise to exactly seven people in the entire country...
Oh yeah, back to the topic. I wasn’t one of the 7.
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Oh yeah, back to the topic. I wasn’t one of the 7.
Now, I'm trying to figure out who the other 5 are.
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IDK if you'd call it a "Trail, but Passo, between Equador, and Columbia is no walk in the park.
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Good, we need to focus on 1. Good president. (There's also some Senate seats up for grabs.)
I look forward to see who the GoP comes up with in their Primary as well.
Pimary? As in Republican Primaries? It seems the GOP in may states are not having primaries, not sure why.
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Pimary? As in Republican Primaries? It seems the GOP in may states are not having primaries, not sure why.
Because there's almost a year left?
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Republicans poll as 90%+ in support of the President.
As you noted, is premature to have Primary elections now, for a November 2020 general election.
Expect some Republican may wish to challenge the President, and States are free to hold a Primary election, Caucus, or not.
Pimary? As in Republican Primaries? It seems the GOP in may states are not having primaries, not sure why.
Because there's almost a year left?
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Republicans poll as 90%+ in support of the President.
Where did you get that number from? Because it smells a little out of your ass.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/republican_nomination_polls/
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Within the margin of error. Most Republican voters, 90% or so, like the success of President Trump. Like 'the cut of his jib', however you wish to phrase it, they know Trump has America in mind, America First, and others not so much...
Whether Weld, or Romney, or other 'Never Trumpers', MSM (mainstream media), who cares what those RINOs and Democrats think? Are they selling a new book, maybe...
Those folks voted for Hillary, so they claimed, prior to the 2016 election.
They lost, and have never accepted that loss. The coup is alive and well...
So much for 'the peaceful transfer of power', 'eh... the past 3 years, is amazing President Trump still wants the Office at all. Then, he likes to WIN, is true.
The point was to answer Lois as to why there are few Republican Primary stories and the answer is, because there is no demand to oust President Trump by the vast majority of Republican voters.
Will there be a challenger, or three, in one, or two or whatever States, likely.
No one, other than Democrats and Media, but I am being redundant, and RINO Hillary voters from 2016, is searching for a different 2020 Republican Nominee.
It is just a practical issue, not saying everyone loves this President, or agrees about the style and details of how he handles social media... WHO would fund such likely losers in an expensive Primary Campaign, but Never Trump losers , and the deep state, chamber of commerce, cheap illegal alien labor, never America First, weasels. I suppose it could happen.
Some will cheer. We will see what happens, who will fund them, and why...
Let them choose Wang, or Ole Joe, or Fauxcahontas, or Booker, or any of the wannabe's who are left standing, demanding solar airplanes and Vegan diets, and pushing plans to spend $17,000,000,000 on wasted, impractical efforts to appease their supposed leftist majority.
Let them believe they could see on Day One or Day 100, depends on the day and the claim, and the city they are speaking in, that 95% of all college debt will be paid for, and Daycare for all, and Great Union Jobs for all, and no border anywhere, and all the world's refugees will be renting out their basement...
Oh, and door to door gun confiscation will be the new reality... by Executive Order or Authority... yep, that's the ticket... all you need to do is believe...
Feel the Bern!
Just sayin'...
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Within the margin of error. Most Republican voters, 90% or so, like the success of President Trump.
I'm sorry, but the actual polls don't back you up. I even linked an independent site, with poll from multiple sources, and most of them were around 85% Your "Margin of error" is obviously you picking a number, because it sounds good, and sticking to it, because you said it, so it must be true. Wonder where you got that from?
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A number of the Head To Head polls you provided noted 90% Trump, and lowest I believe was 84%, most a mix, with several 90's.
90% is the number casually quoted on radio, not only recently, but for a while now, regarding polling of Republican Approval of the President.
13 to 14 months out, the % numbers are not so meaningful. Basically, the point is that there is no clamoring for a change at the Top, in Republican voter circles. Are there some potential worthy others, of course. 84%, 85, 86, 87, 88, 90, 91, what does it matter, the point is the same.
Never Trump Republicans are the equal to a Democrat vote, not a wave of Republican Opposition to themselves. Down ticket is most important of course.
We shall see how it all works out.
Within the margin of error. Most Republican voters, 90% or so, like the success of President Trump.
I'm sorry, but the actual polls don't back you up. I even linked an independent site, with poll from multiple sources, and most of them were around 85% Your "Margin of error" is obviously you picking a number, because it sounds good, and sticking to it, because you said it, so it must be true. Wonder where you got that from?
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90% is the number casually quoted on radio, not only recently, but for a while now, regarding polling of Republican Approval of the President.
Yeah, in Conservative Talk Radio. If this far out, the numbers are meaningless, then why are you quoting them?
Was that number supposed to mean something?
Expect it to go down once he has someone actively running against him.
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I was answering another Member's question, not intending to provoke your critique, honest. Believe it is any number you agree with, Psi, and move along please. No further response from you is desired, or necessary.
Go write a story, or pick on an Author, anything but answer me, please.
Thank you.
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Is this where I point out of total registered voters, only 24% are registered as Republicans?
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I don't pick on other Authors. Just for the record.
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Just 24% are registered Republican? That is really really low number.
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We got a massive influx from the Midterms. At least going by the published numbers of new registrations. Again, they're not making a lot of new Conservatives.
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I don't pick on other Authors. Just for the record.
You dealt with one with lots of snark a few days ago.
The 7"dick guy noted he liked the Chappelle performance and you attacked him, for no reason I could see. Is he not an author. Not that being an author give any defence when you get wound up.
No answer required or desired please. TY
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You dealt with one with lots of snark a few days ago.
No answer required or desired please. TY
Look, you can't accuse me of anything, then air your "Desire," not to defend myself. I haven't read any stories by 7". I don't "Attack" authors, and I didn't "Attack" anyone in the "Sticks and Stones" thread.
...And words will never hurt me.
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Back on topic... has Booker dropped out yet? He is most likely next.
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Whether he has dropped out yet, or not, I don't see Booker as having enough to gain the Nomination.
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Mainstream Media (MSM) today ran a Press Release announcing Sen. Bernie Sanders D? I - VT Campaign has cancelled all Campaign Activity. Campaign says he had some discomfort, and is recovering nicely.
Uncurious Press who accompany the Candidate at all times had not reported much at all, accepting the Campaign's Press Release as gospel.
Did he have a Heart Attack? Why would anyone ask such a question? Such a conspiracy like question... don't ask.
Was he flown to Cuba for Health Care? He says they have excellent and FREE health care there, and in Canada, which was likely closer to the Candidate when he experienced the 'reported by his Campaign' discomfort.. no "Reporter" commented or reported at all it seems.
He was photographed having soup today... no further questions, please.
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Stock Market jitters today, as fear of Fauxcohontas becoming the Democrat Nominee, in the wake of Senator Sanders health issue, and attention to age as a factor in both Senator Sanders and former VP Biden, along with Ukraine scandal expectation for Biden Campaign, appear to benefit the Warren Campaign.
Market reactions are not new, and not permanent, usually, and many simply take the up and down nature of Stocks and Wall Street in stride. In the event Senator Warren is the Democrat Nominee, at some future date, those with an interest in Wall Street, Stocks in the future will have some decisions to make, as to whether to 'sit it out', or more likely support President Trump in 2020.
We will see.
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It was reported that he complained of chest pain last night, was taken to the hospital, and had two stents implanted. Reported *very* early this morning. But you know the fake right wing media does not break news with the same urgency or accuracy, so I understand if you are frightened and confused by this.
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'Reported' meaning the MSM printed the announcement of his Campaign.
The 'reporters' who cover him 24/7, "traveling press" found out from the Sanders Campaign, and had little to nothing to add to the press release.
It was reported that he complained of chest pain last night, was taken to the hospital, and had two stents implanted. Reported *very* early this morning. But you know the fake right wing media does not break news with the same urgency or accuracy, so I understand if you are frightened and confused by this.
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'Reported' meaning the MSM printed the announcement of his Campaign.
The 'reporters' who cover him 24/7, "traveling press" found out from the Sanders Campaign, and had little to nothing to add to the press release.
It was reported that he complained of chest pain last night, was taken to the hospital, and had two stents implanted. Reported *very* early this morning. But you know the fake right wing media does not break news with the same urgency or accuracy, so I understand if you are frightened and confused by this.
Sanders is 78. He is too fucking old to be President IMHO. You can put lipstick on a pig, but won’t change the fact.
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Trump might be the next one to bite the dust, the number of folks supporting impeachment seem to be increasing everyday.
So if Trump drops out who will be the GOP candidate?
Pence (if he doesnt go down with Trump)
Bill Weld
Mark Sanford
Joe Walsh
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Trump will win in 2020. Latest Democrat 'impeachment' coup will fail.
No House Vote for Impeachment Process. No Republicans are involved.
Committee's are headed by only deep blue urban reps. Will fail to impress,
as constituents learn about the process, will make their will clear to 'their Reps'.
Crooked Chairman Adam Schiff, and complicit Speaker Pelosi, will again fail.
Trump might be the next one to bite the dust, the number of folks supporting impeachment seem to be increasing everyday.
So if Trump drops out who will be the GOP candidate?
Pence (if he doesnt go down with Trump)
Bill Weld
Mark Sanford
Joe Walsh
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Trump will be indicted by the House. But the Senate will never convict. You heard it here first.
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Stock Market jitters today, as fear of Fauxcohontas becoming the Democrat Nominee, in the wake of Senator Sanders health issue, and attention to age as a factor in both Senator Sanders and former VP Biden, along with Ukraine scandal expectation for Biden Campaign, appear to benefit the Warren Campaign.
Market reactions are not new, and not permanent, usually, and many simply take the up and down nature of Stocks and Wall Street in stride. In the event Senator Warren is the Democrat Nominee, at some future date, those with an interest in Wall Street, Stocks in the future will have some decisions to make, as to whether to 'sit it out', or more likely support President Trump in 2020.
We will see.
Stock market is down because manufacturing has had its biggest decline in years thanks to a global slow down and Trump's on-going trade war with China. Contrary to what Trump is saying, the trade war is hurting U.S. businesses.
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Trump will be indicted by the House. But the Senate will never convict. You heard it here first.
Same that happened to Clinton. Dems ruled the Senate then, GOP rules the Senate now. Kind of a waste of time when there are so many more important issues to deal with.
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Trump will be indicted by the House. But the Senate will never convict. You heard it here first.
Same that happened to Clinton. Dems ruled the Senate then, GOP rules the Senate now. Kind of a waste of time when there are so many more important issues to deal with.
Like alligators in the moat for border wall... we have real problems. We just don’t have an executive equipped to deal with them.
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We'll all find out when it happens. That's my prediction.
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I disagree that impeachment proceedings are a waste of time. This is because we have to take a stand for our country and Constitution. No one should be able to use the power of the presidency to extort other country's leaders to manufacture dirt on political opponents.
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"... No one should be able to use the power of the presidency to extort other country's leaders to manufacture dirt on political opponents..."
On that we agree. No extortion, no request to manufacture dirt, NADA, is indicated at all in the transcript of the call. Never happened.
Only in Chairman Adam Schiff's lying recitation is that nonsense stated. That he later said his 'recitation' was a parody, a joke, after reading the statement before Congress, and Cameras for all to hear, far later...
Schiff knew he was lying, knew what the Transcript showed, and instead "went with" his plan to lie to the Congress, lie to the American People, and to the world news audience about the President of the United States, and the leader of Ukraine.
I disagree that impeachment proceedings are a waste of time. This is because we have to take a stand for our country and Constitution. No one should be able to use the power of the presidency to extort other country's leaders to manufacture dirt on political opponents.
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I disagree that impeachment proceedings are a waste of time. This is because we have to take a stand for our country and Constitution. No one should be able to use the power of the presidency to extort other country's leaders to manufacture dirt on political opponents.
Exactly.
More to the point, the House has not begun impeachment proceedings. The House has initiated an inquiry into whether or not it should begin impeachment proceedings. And the difference is not semantic.
Right now, the House, which, according to the Constitution, has the sole power to impeach, has opened an inquiry into and investigation of actions committed by the current president. That’s still a long way of impeachment.
It is akin to law enforcement officials and prosecutors suspecting someone of a crime. When this occurs, the person is not immediately arrested and handed over to trial. First, an investigation is launched to learn more about the potential suspect’s culpability, and whether or not there is sufficient evidence to indicate the suspect’s potential guilt. It is only after an investigation has been completed that an arrest will be made, and the suspect ordered to appear before a grand jury, which determines if there is sufficient evidence to hand the suspect over to trial.
And that’s the function the House serves in the impeachment process. The House neither arrests nor convicts the president. It simply serves as a grand jury, determining whether or not the president is guilty of the crimes with which he has been accused, and determining whether these actions are, in fact, impeachable offenses, and whether or not the president has committed “Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."
Even if President Trump were to be impeached by the House -- and that's still a way off, if it happens at all -- it is extremely unlikely that he would be convicted by the Senate, barring new information or new revelations. The Senate needs a 2/3 majority to convict, and currently, the Senate is comprised of 53 Republicans, 45 Democrats, and two Independents (Angus King of Maine and Bernie Sanders of Vermont). For Trump to be convicted in this hypothetical scenario, all of the Democrats and both Independents would have to vote to convict, and 20 Republicans would have to cross the aisle and vote for conviction. That possibility couldn’t be more unlikely.
Nonetheless, at this moment, asserting that the House is wrong in opening their inquiry is like asserting that law enforcement officials are wrong to open an investigation of a potential criminal, someone for whom there is evidence of wrongdoing.
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The use of the word "Impeachment" in whatever Democrats now are doing, does not make their activity 'an Impeachment', nor does "Impeachment" authority convey to those doing today's activities. Today's activities are just as they were last week and the weeks prior.
When a formal vote of the House Of Representatives on whether to begin Impeachment Proceedings may occur, if it occurs, with the proceedings may come a variety of things, including Rights of the President's party House Members.
Democrats are attempting to gin up "impeachment" talk in the media, very successfully due to complicit mainstream media, without asking Democrat House Members to commit to anything, and avoiding the spectacle of Democrats voting against their Constituent's interests in many cases.
At this point, a few Committee Chairs, from solid BLUE cities and locations, and Speaker Pelosi, take any risk, and their constituents, their Districts, are solid blue, will vote for them whether they are on the ballot or not. 6 House Members?
The rest of the Nation are unrepresented in this dust up, wholly, no matter who their representatives or where they may live, or what they believe. This handful of zealots, and sycophant mainstream media, and the comedy echo chamber, are running what amounts to a coup to topple the President, drive his approval numbers to a tipping point, the truth be damned.
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Bernie has had his blocked artery treated, so his heart is not in danger anymore. This is a concern when you have a candidate who actually has a heart.
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Am sure all wish him well, good recovery, and long life.
Bernie has had his blocked artery treated, so his heart is not in danger anymore. This is a concern when you have a candidate who actually has a heart.
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I disagree that impeachment proceedings are a waste of time. This is because we have to take a stand for our country and Constitution. No one should be able to use the power of the presidency to extort other country's leaders to manufacture dirt on political opponents.
I somewhat agree, Lois. Unfortunately, this impeachment process is taking place the same time that the Presidential election is heating up and completely taking over the news, leaving candidates and their message buried in the back pages of newspapers or just before the weather on your local news. All this hue and cry and when it gets to the Senate nothing may happen. Meanwhile, candidates and their message who arerunning for the presidency cannot be heard as they should.
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It's still over a year before the election. Plenty of time...
not long enough for a full impeachment.
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NY Times just reported Beto O'Rourke will drop out of the Presidential Primary.
Just heard that on radio, and await anything official from the Candidate.
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Still waiting to see who's going to be running from the Republican side...
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You know exactly who will be on the Republican Ticket.
Still waiting to see who's going to be running from the Republican side...
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You know exactly who will be on the Republican Ticket.
Okay, I'd like to see who ELSE will be on the ticket, assuming they're eligible to run, without concerns about foreign election interference.
It's not like we've never seen the GOP field 20+ candidates in a single pre-election.
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You know exactly who will be on the Republican Ticket.
Still waiting to see who's going to be running from the Republican side...
Yeah, Pence and a yet to be named VP candidate.
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Kamala Harris Ends
Presidential Campaign
https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/12/03/kamala-harris-quits-presidential-race/
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In less than 48 hours over Sunday evening and Tuesday afternoon, Sen. Kamala Harris, once considered among the top tier of candidates, former Pennsylvania Rep. Joe Sestak and Montana Gov. Steve Bullock all dropped out of the race for the Democratic nomination.
This isn’t a Trump victory. This is how the nomination process works.
There are still 15 in the field, so I predict 14 more will “bite the dust” before it is over.
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At this point I think there's a 96% chance people would rather vote for baby Yoda for president.
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At this point I think there's a 96% chance people would rather vote for baby Yoda for president.
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I love baby Yoda.
Dan is loving Mandolorian (sp?)
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At this point I think there's a 96% chance people would rather vote for baby Yoda for president.
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I love baby Yoda.
Dan is loving Mandolorian (sp?)
The Mandalorian is the only Disney star wars wifey really likes.
I despise star wars thanks to her lifelong obsession, but even I kinda like it. The fuckin' puppet is adorable. :roll:
She wants a plushy, Disney don't got it. They put r2d2 on fuckin' boxes of mac and cheese, but no plushy of baby Yoda. :roll: I'd buy her one for Xmas if they had it.
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Holiday sweater....
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Holiday sweater....
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:emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:
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Baby Yoda Plushies are only Black Market at this time. Still look cute...
https://www.amazon.com/yoda-doll/s?k=yoda+doll
At this point I think there's a 96% chance people would rather vote for baby Yoda for president.
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Only 4” tall...
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This is now a baby Yoda thread.
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https://indigodo.com/products/baby-yoda-doll
(https://i.imgur.com/xkv3tL6.jpg)
It’s from China and probably a piece of shit, but popped into my newsfeed, because I was googling “Baby Yoda” yesterday.
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I want a baby Yoda for Christmas.
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I want a baby Yoda for Christmas.
Disney fills landfills with star wars toys, doesn't give people what they want. :roll:
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If we had a Baby Yoda, wife would stuff it with catnip and toss him on the floor so the "kids" can have their way with him. ;D
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This is now a baby Yoda thread.
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Visiting my brother now. He has Disney.
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Looking at my crystal ball here, I predict it’s going to be Bernie Sanders versus whoever the rest of us coalesce behind. And unfortunately, the Sanders people are not going to vote for anyone who isn’t Sanders. And the rest of us are probably not going to vote for Sanders. Certainly not moderates, minorities, or anyone outside of Vermont.
I don’t think we get another four years of Trump. I think we get another 12, or until death do us part.
Just thinking out loud here...
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Looking at my crystal ball here, I predict it’s going to be Bernie Sanders versus whoever the rest of us coalesce behind. And unfortunately, the Sanders people are not going to vote for anyone who isn’t Sanders. And the rest of us are probably not going to vote for Sanders. Certainly not moderates, minorities, or anyone outside of Vermont.
I don’t think we get another four years of Trump. I think we get another 12, or until death do us part.
Just thinking out loud here...
I generally agree.
Right now, I'd like to see a Biden-Klobuchar ticket.
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My objection to Bernie ironically isn’t even most of his views (although since I work in the pharmaceutical industry, his demonizing of that industry alarms me). I don’t think Bernie has the organization skills or temperament to be president, and he’s 78 and just had a heart attack.
There is a part of me that mischievously delights in the thought of an AOC VP suddenly becoming the P and watching the Republicans tear their hair out in fits.
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Looking at my crystal ball here, I predict it’s going to be Bernie Sanders versus whoever the rest of us coalesce behind. And unfortunately, the Sanders people are not going to vote for anyone who isn’t Sanders. And the rest of us are probably not going to vote for Sanders. Certainly not moderates, minorities, or anyone outside of Vermont.
I don’t think we get another four years of Trump. I think we get another 12, or until death do us part.
Just thinking out loud here...
I generally agree.
Right now, I'd like to see a Biden-Klobuchar ticket.
I think we need a moderate presidential candidate and a progressive veep, preferably female. Something for everyone to hate. I like Biden. What is NYC’s take on Bloomberg? You have more experience than anyone with him.
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Jeds take on Bernie is the same as mine. He portrays an "angry old man" and shows little patience when things go sideways.
I also wonder about Blomberg. His plus is he has the ad money to keep up with trump. I read where his next tactic is expound on the many failures of the ventures by trump such as trump wine, trump steaks etc.
I would like to see our new administration with Kamala Harris as chief of staff.
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Bernie’s got a lot of ideas, but the President is the executive enforcer, not the legislator. Bernie is a DINO, is not a team player, and I don’t think he can marshal legislative support for 80% of his platform.
I think whoever gets the nomination should pledge to have a cabinet that resembles America... 50% female, 40% or more minority. Kamala Harris would be great in a White House or Cabinet role.
If we win, we have to unleash 100 days of thunder, reversing Trump’s myriad of executive orders, particularly environmentally sensitive ones. Then Congress must attack the tax code, budget deficit, and beefing up the Consumer Protection Agency.
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Actually, I see Harris or maybe Castro as VP.
Despite what I said about Bernie, I will vote for president this year and it sure as shit won’t be for dishonest Donald.
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Right now, I'd like to see a Biden-Klobuchar ticket.
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Biden-Harris
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Klobuchar-Castro
I doubt either, but I can dream.
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Looking at my crystal ball here, I predict it’s going to be Bernie Sanders versus whoever the rest of us coalesce behind. And unfortunately, the Sanders people are not going to vote for anyone who isn’t Sanders. And the rest of us are probably not going to vote for Sanders. Certainly not moderates, minorities, or anyone outside of Vermont.
I don’t think we get another four years of Trump. I think we get another 12, or until death do us part.
Just thinking out loud here...
I generally agree.
Right now, I'd like to see a Biden-Klobuchar ticket.
I think we need a moderate presidential candidate and a progressive veep, preferably female. Something for everyone to hate. I like Biden. What is NYC’s take on Bloomberg? You have more experience than anyone with him.
My take on Bloomberg is I hope he continues to spend millions, even hundreds of millions on Trump attack ads showing just how foolish, incompetent, crooked, corrupt and otherwise dishonest and dangerous this president is.
And then quietly bow out of the race. I don’t think middle America will stomach someone so obviously coastal elite.
We don’t need another billionaire as president even if it is a real one this time.
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When I look at Bloomberg, my thoughts first go to:
Oh yes, a wealthy man who doesn't need to be bought. A businessman...this country is a business. What could go wrong?
Uh, rich, business man Trump, that's what.
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When I look at Bloomberg, my thoughts first go to:
Oh yes, a wealthy man who doesn't need to be bought. A businessman...this country is a business. What could go wrong?
Uh, rich, business man Trump, that's what.
We never had Bloomberg casinos, Bloomberg steaks, Bloomberg University, Bloomberg Vodka, or Bloomberg Airlines. And Bloomberg actually *is* a billionaire. I would gladly trade Trump for Bloomberg.
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When I look at Bloomberg, my thoughts first go to:
Oh yes, a wealthy man who doesn't need to be bought. A businessman...this country is a business. What could go wrong?
Uh, rich, business man Trump, that's what.
We never had Bloomberg casinos, Bloomberg steaks, Bloomberg University, Bloomberg Vodka, or Bloomberg Airlines. And Bloomberg actually *is* a billionaire. I would gladly trade Trump for Bloomberg.
I'd gladly trade them all for cheap steaks and cheap wine if that was the best deal I could get. :roll:
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A Biden - Klobuchar ticket would be the strongest to beat Trump, in my opinion. Both moderates who could pull those non-Democrats who are disenchanted with the current president.
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Jeds take on Bernie is the same as mine. He portrays an "angry old man" and shows little patience when things go sideways.
I think that's a very valid point. A lot of people, including me, were turned off by Hillary Clinton because she often came off as an angry grandma. I know that that's an unfair judgement, but, to Toe's point, the key to the Democrats winning the 2020 election is to loop in both the party faithful, from both wings, and a sufficient number of "undecideds" and disaffected Trump supporters.
To answer Toe's question, Michael Bloomberg, to my mind, isn't a good choice. If elected, he would be almost 79 on Inauguration Day -- almost nine years older than the next oldest president at his inauguration (Trump was 70 in 2017). Despite possible accusations of ageism, that fact will, or at least should, resonate highly with voters -- both those who are close to his age, and people like me whose parents are close to that age. He has a deserved reputation as a "man who gets things done," but he also has a reputation as a man who gets things done for wealthier people. While NYC mayor, he was firmly in bed with corporations and developers, to the perceived detriment of middle class and poorer New Yorkers. And his unswerving anti-gun stance, while it highly resonates with me, will not prove as popular with the nation as a whole. Perhaps most important of all, he's a DINO.
Worst in his favor is the fact that he seems to be making the exact same mistake that many of his fellow Democrats are making, and also the vital mistake that Hillary Clinton made: He offers many, many reasons to not vote for Trump, while offering precious few reasons to vote for him. Positioning himself almost exclusively as Not-Trump -- as Clinton did -- resonates highly with the party faithful, but less so with the general electorate.
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Amy Klobuchar had a good showing in New Hampshire, coming in 3rd. Biden needs to do good in South Carolina to be viable. Warren is losing traction. Pretty sure Trump would love to face Sanders in the election.
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Pretty sure Trump would love to face Sanders in the election.
My impression also.
It's interesting how Sanders is viewed as an extremist even by some ostensibly on the left. His politics would be unremarkable in most European countries and are especially normal in the most prosperous countries in the modern world.
America is bordering on third world banana republic status at the moment. We have a big economy, and a big army. Otherwise, nothing to admire or emulate here. It’s not as bad as you’ve heard, it’s worse.
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It's interesting how Sanders is viewed as an extremist even by some ostensibly on the left. His politics would be unremarkable in most European countries and are especially normal in the most prosperous countries in the modern world.
In my opinion, despite the issue of his age, he has the best chance of anyone to beat Trump in the election precisely because he is different from the American usual. Trump represented a change from the status quo in 2016 and it's unlikely that those who voted for him for that reason will be tempted by anyone representing a return to the previous status quo. Sanders should have run in 2016. He may not have won but it sure as shit would have been a more interesting race. The Democrats need someone younger and with some, any kind of momentum behind them beyond "Trump is shit and I'm not Trump," but they don't have that and Sanders is as close as they can get at the moment.
While I recognize that the terms "the left" and "the right" have a decidedly different meanings in Europe than in the U.S., Sanders is viewed as an "extremist" chiefly on the right, and not the left. I'd go as far as asserting that the "liberal wing" and "moderate wing" of the Democratic Party are only a few inches away from each other.
I don't disagree with your general statements, but I'm not sure that Americans really want "change" right now, other than, of course, a change from the current administration. It worked for Obama, of course, and it certainly worked for Trump. In fact, I'd go as far to assert -- as I did back in late September or early October of 2016 -- that Trump perceived something that Clinton failed to grasp: It wasn't a general feeling of change, like the one that helped Obama win the White House, it was a specific feeling of change. Trump and his campaign put their finger precisely on the issues that highly resonated with many Americans, and his personal ability to actually affect those changes was, in voters' minds, beside the point.
I agree with you that a Sanders-Trump race, hypothetically in 2016 or actually in 2020, would be very interesting, and a lot of fun. But I disagree with you that Sanders represents the best hope (or would have represented the best hope in 2016) of actually beating Trump. And I also think his relatively advanced age, and the perception of poor health, looms much more largely, than you and others give it credit. It's something that many people don't like to talk about, chiefly, as I mentioned, to avoid charges of being ageist, but it's a reality, and one that would resonate very highly is Sanders is, in fact, the Democratic candidate in November.
I agree that Democrats need someone younger, but unfortunately that candidate isn't on the scene. Pete Buttigieg is certainly interesting, and he did very well in yesterday's New Hampshire primary, but he's too young and too inexperienced (among other things). And I couldn't agree more that a candidate focuses on "Trump is shit and I'm not Trump," will help keep Trump in the White House for another four years.
The 2020 election is fascinating for one other aspect: If Trump loses, it would be only the second time since 1980 that a sitting president running for election was defeated.
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Envision a woman that has experience, temperment, education, spotless reputation, would require little or no campaign time, would appeal to the young, old, poor, affluent, minorities, women, LBGT and is in fact a Democrat.
The problem is she is a wife, mother and involved with helping others in lieu of her political interests. More money is the least of her worries and her priorities run counter to the jackass current running our nation.
No doubt in my mind, she would win.
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WOO! I agree. You summed it up very nicely.
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"..America is bordering on third world banana republic status at the moment. We have a big economy, and a big army. Otherwise, nothing to admire or emulate here. It’s not as bad as you’ve heard, it’s worse..."
Please be more specific. Americans do not want "change", other than to make
a change at the White House level, and are supposedly willing to choose "whatever" as the alternative?
Other than being secure (big army), being safe (big economy), which fits with why Americans would not wish to see "change", especially undefined "change" as the Obama years promised, and the misery for many those years delivered,
seems "tweets" is the issue voters will supposedly trade their secure, safe, lives to "whatever" the various unhappy wannabe's may or may not promise.
Imagine if politicians would find ways to get along, stop all the foot dragging, and work toward the same goals as our President... imagine if Democrats did anything over the past three, working on four years, other than feather their own nests, attempting to reverse the 2016 election that Democrats lost.
Imagine a mainstream media that simply report the facts, and let all of us decide, rather than OMIT positive news, so that when we find the Economy is good, so many are surprised by that... rather than being better informed along the way, as the President and this Administration worked well to foster the day to day efforts which result in a good economy.
Want more of the same, as to how Dems act when they should be working?
Vote for "whatever" in November 2020. And be unhappy for the future.
Get on board the moving train, support common sense efforts to better this Nation, and your own situations, in November 2020, and smile again.
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Obama got the economy going again, Trump is claiming credit for it.
As for President, Bernie has the best poll numbers against Trump. My fear is that he would be devisive and further polarize the country. I also fear he would be a one term President because of his age and health.
I still prefer Warren, but will back whomever the Dems pick. All they really need to do is undo what Trump has done.
Yes, I'd like universal healthcare, but it's probably best to ease into it with a public option added to the ACA.
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Envision a woman that has experience, temperment, education, spotless reputation, would require little or no campaign time, would appeal to the young, old, poor, affluent, minorities, women, LBGT and is in fact a Democrat.
The problem is she is a wife, mother and involved with helping others in lieu of her political interests. More money is the least of her worries and her priorities run counter to the jackass current running our nation.
No doubt in my mind, she would win.
Imagine her with Val Deming or Susan Rice as Vice President. Oprah as Chief of Staff and Kamala Harris as Atty Gen. Glass ceiling is shattered.
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The local newspaper came out with this political cartoon supporting our local gal,
Sen. Amy Klobuchar.
(https://i.imgur.com/MgoUb87.jpg)
Wish she had more of a chance, but it's doubtful. After Hillary will the Dems. go for another woman? Plus, she's still not that well known. Who knows, the election process keeps getting crazier.
BTW - Minnesota church suppers are well known for the mysterious food described as "hot dish". You could find most anything once you stick your fork in.
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On Friday I’m making a casserole. I live too far away from the north Midwest to call it hot dish.
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On Friday I’m making a casserole. I live too far away from the north Midwest to call it hot dish.
While I've never heard the expression "hot dish," I grew up in the Midwest, and casseroles were an absolute staple. They come in a very wide variety of forms, but they were almost omnipresent. It's an especially handy dinner for families working under a tight budget: A few simply ingredients, many of which are already on hand, and you have a nutritious, inexpensive, and delicious family dinner.
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So...can our Amy put together a fine casserole of special interest groups to get the nomination?
Sadly, it's the far right and far left that make the most noise and get catered to. The middle are too busy trying to live their lives to have time to get involved.
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On Friday I’m making a casserole. I live too far away from the north Midwest to call it hot dish.
While I've never heard the expression "hot dish," I grew up in the Midwest, and casseroles were an absolute staple. They come in a very wide variety of forms, but they were almost omnipresent. It's an especially handy dinner for families working under a tight budget: A few simply ingredients, many of which are already on hand, and you have a nutritious, inexpensive, and delicious family dinner.
The other day I was making mac & cheese and inadvertently got the bottom of the box wet. Not wanting to chance some wet macaroni put back in the pantry or waste it, I cooked the whole box and ended up freezing a couple bags of cooked macaroni. The last bag gets thawed Thursday. I bought a can of cream of mushroom soup and some mushrooms. I’ll raid the fridge and freezer for some meat and vegetables and we’ll have a one dish meal. Most likely a Cote du Rhône or Bordeaux will be uncooked.
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My mother was an awful cook, and casserole was her idea of “fancy.” So she made a tuna fish casserole with crumbled potato chips on top. Usually to take to the church pot luck. I just get triggered still, over 40 years later, when confronted by pot luck. I should be grateful we had food to eat, but those were some pretty bleak years.
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Here in Minnesota the "hot dish" went to a whole new level when "Tater Tots" were introduced. Right into the casserole dish along with whatever else was handy. Yes, they called it a casserole dish, but the end product was and still is "Hot Dish". :D
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Here in Minnesota the "hot dish" went to a whole new level when "Tater Tots" were introduced. Right into the casserole dish along with whatever else was handy. Yes, they called it a casserole dish, but the end product was and still is "Hot Dish". :D
Tater Tots are one of the greatest inventions known to humankind.
And you can quote me on that.
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In culinary school there was an entire class devoted to the potato, and a multitude of preparations were demonstrated and enjoyed. The words tater and tot did not come up.
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Here in Minnesota the "hot dish" went to a whole new level when "Tater Tots" were introduced. Right into the casserole dish along with whatever else was handy. Yes, they called it a casserole dish, but the end product was and still is "Hot Dish". :D
So Miss B...beer and Tater Tots. Yum.
Tater Tots are one of the greatest inventions known to humankind.
And you can quote me on that.
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Billionaire Tom Steyer quits Democratic primary race (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/billionaire-tom-steyer-quits-democratic-primary-race-n1146286)
The announcement came after an underwhelming finish in the South Carolina primary and spending nearly $160M on his campaign.
Down to 1.5 billionaires now.
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Chris Matthews has been removed from Democrat Primary coverage, by MSNBC, after a few Biden like gaffes, and accusations of sexist behavior by a GQ writer, who was a frequent guest on his show.
So is this just alcohol, or sexism ala Matt Lauer, or retribution over Matthews remarks about Bernie Sanders "nazi like" invasion of Nevada? Or, because he misidentified a Democrat, for a Republican, when what they have in common is being black?
Time will tell, and Chris Matthews is not the fair haired boy he once was.
This is included in this thread, because Chris Matthews, Democrat, same/same.
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Back on topic...
Pete Buttigieg quits Democratic presidential race (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/democratic-presidential-candidate-pete-buttigieg-end-campaign-n1146646)
The first openly gay major presidential candidate, Mr. Buttigieg rose to the primary’s top tier, but was unable to build a broad coalition of voters, and lost badly in South Carolina Saturday.
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Amy Klobuchar Drops Out of Presidential Race and Plans to Endorse Biden (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-drops-out.html)
Ms. Klobuchar made her decision hours before Super Tuesday. She shocked the primary field with a third-place finish in New Hampshire, but ultimately could not compete with better-funded rivals.
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The two promising young candidates have dropped out, leaving the voters the usual "if I actually worked for a living I would be happily retired" candidates to choose from. As usual, money talks.
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Amy joins establishment Democrats, Obama, in the effort to deny Bernie Sanders the Nomination. I think we have seen this movie before... are there any remaining Bernie Sanders fans at KB? Who are the fans of Bloomberg, if any? Just curious to know who's votes will be ignored, to block Bernie again.
Amy Klobuchar Drops Out of Presidential Race and Plans to Endorse Biden (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/us/politics/amy-klobuchar-drops-out.html)
Ms. Klobuchar made her decision hours before Super Tuesday. She shocked the primary field with a third-place finish in New Hampshire, but ultimately could not compete with better-funded rivals.
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I didn't know you were such a Bernie fan, Joan!
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Amy joins establishment Democrats, Obama, in the effort to deny Bernie Sanders the Nomination. I think we have seen this movie before... are there any remaining Bernie Sanders fans at KB? Who are the fans of Bloomberg, if any? Just curious to know who's votes will be ignored, to block Bernie again.
The Democratic leadership's mantra is "Anybody but Trump", They figure Sanders is too far to the left to attract the more moderate Democrats, the Independents, and those Republicans who do not like Trump. It didn't take long for those dropping out of the race to throw their support for Biden. I would like to see Sanders sweep Super Tuesday and stick it to the so called Party of the People. I am not a fan of Sanders but wish him luck.
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Amy joins establishment Democrats, Obama, in the effort to deny Bernie Sanders the Nomination. I think we have seen this movie before... are there any remaining Bernie Sanders fans at KB? Who are the fans of Bloomberg, if any? Just curious to know who's votes will be ignored, to block Bernie again.
The Democratic leadership's mantra is "Anybody but Trump", They figure Sanders is too far to the left to attract the more moderate Democrats, the Independents, and those Republicans who do not like Trump. It didn't take long for those dropping out of the race to throw their support for Biden. I would like to see Sanders sweep Super Tuesday and stick it to the so called Party of the People. I am not a fan of Sanders but wish him luck.
It's not just the Democratic leadership, it's also Democratic voters. Keep in mind that "Anybody by Trump" was also the mantra in 2016, and, as I recall, that didn't work very well.
Of course, Democrats are going to vote for the Democratic candidate, no matter who he or she is. There's nothing wrong with that, that's the way elections work. Following Miss Barbara's Theory of U.S. Presidential ElectionsTM, in every election, 40% of the voters will automatically vote for the Democratic candidate, 40% will automatically vote from the Republican candidate, and the remaining 20% decides the winner.
To my mind, Hillary Clinton failed because she gave us a very long list of reasons not to vote for Trump, and very few reasons to vote for her. Running as "Anyone but Trump" led her to fail to capture the bulk of that 20%.
Most to the point, Bernie Sanders is not the man to capture the needed majority of those 20-percenters. We hear constantly about how his campaign has created a lot of grassroots excitement among young voters, and while that it true, it belies one very important point: Young voters don't vote, and they don't vote in astonishingly high numbers.
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Most to the point, Bernie Sanders is not the man to capture the needed majority of those 20-percenters. We hear constantly about how his campaign has created a lot of grassroots excitement among young voters, and while that it true, it belies one very important point: Young voters don't vote, and they don't vote in astonishingly high numbers.
I feel like the train of thought hasn't quite reached the station here. Have you considered the possibility that younger voters will, in fact, be more motivated to vote when there is a candidate they care about?
The presidential election effectively has a binary result. A democrat will win or a republican will win. The margin is more or less irrelevant. To me, Sanders is the only viable option because he's the only remaining option that has a chance of actually winning. I think it's overall more likely that Biden will perform better, but I don't see that he has anything to offer that could possibly help him outpace Trump. Sanders comes with his own campaign that the American public may or may not be willing to invest in, but backing an outside chance seems more sensible than backing a guaranteed loss to me.
You are correct: I cannot conclusively demonstrate that, should Sanders win the Democratic nomination, young voters will not turn out in large numbers to vote for him, perhaps even propelling him into the White House.
But recent history backs my assertion, as does the data. In voter turnout analyses by age group, among all the different age groups, voters aged 18-24 have, by far, the lowest turnout rates. This graphic provides a snapshot:
(https://i.imgur.com/wfN1Vrx.png)
More to the point, in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries, despite widespread enthusiasm for Sanders across the country among young people, those young enthusiasts did not become young voters. While I can't find a handy graphic like the one above to demonstrate this, while Sanders captured a greater percentage of the youth vote than Clinton in 2016, the turnout among young voters was still shockingly low.
And there's an additional salient fact. Bernie Sanders is 78 years old, and if nominated, he will be 79 on Election Day. For voters in the 18-24 demographic, that's the same age as their grandparents. At the risk of giving young voters more credit than they're due, these young Americans are very aware of what their grandparents can and cannot do, both physically and mentally. And I can readily imagine how this fact will give some young voters pause.
Finally, you may be correct that Sanders has a better chance of beating Trump in November than Biden (or Warren or Bloomberg). But there's little reason to believe that the youth vote will play any more than a minor roll, if any, in that determination. Biden isn't the most exciting guy, and he's only about a year younger than Sanders. But Sanders carries with him a small mountain of baggage -- real or perceived -- and that will weigh against him in a general election.
Most to the point, many Americans, especially those on the Left, refuse to study the reasons why Trump won in 2016. Assertions that he won because he captured the "conservative vote" or the "racist vote" or the "misogynist vote" or the "white supremacist vote" are aggressively short-sighted, yet very commonly stated (including here on KB). Trump succeeded because he (either alone or with the help of his advisors) put his finger on the sources of disaffection harbored by many Americans. The fact that it was all smoke and mirrors is, in context, beside the point.
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I'm sorry but I'm still struggling to follow the through line in your arguments. Earlier, you asserted that Sanders "is not the man to capture the needed majority of those 20-percenters" and my response is still that I basically think he has the best chance of what's left on the table.
You talked about his age. Biden is a year younger, Bloomberg is the same age and Warren is 70.
You talked about baggage, but do his rivals all not come with their own baggage? How does Sanders' baggage compare with Trump's in particular?
I posted about Sanders a few weeks ago and I still think the same. Just because he's not the best candidate for the job does not mean he's not still a better option than the alternatives.
Well, the topic under discussion -- and the posts I specifically responded to -- were not on the topic of which current Democratic candidate has the best chance of beating Trump in November. While that's an extremely germane discussion, and you very well may be right in your prognostications, I wasn't addressing that particular issue.
I mentioned Sanders' age (and Biden's and Bloomberg's and sure, throw in Warren's) strictly in context.
We clearly disagree on which is the best among the current candidates is "the man [or woman] to capture the needed majority of those 20-percenters." Nothing wrong with that, and that's what makes for interesting discussions. I'm not saying I'm right, and you may very well be correct. But, at this point, I am still unconvinced that an exciting Sanders might not be better than a boring Biden in swinging a sufficient number of voters into the Democratic column in November.
I think I made at least a fairly decent argument why Sanders likely will not energize a sufficient number of young voters into the polling places should be be the candidate in November, and, correspondingly, why the youth vote will likely not swing the election one way or another. But, as I noted, I might be wrong, and I'd be happy to red an argument to the contrary -- and perhaps even change my mind.
More to the point, virtually every discussion of the youth vote focuses on the Democratic Party alone. It's worth noting that my graphic outlines youth voting n general, and not by party. In the almost four years since the 2016 presidential election, don't think I've ever read anything or seen any data about young people voting for Trump, and the effect that might have had in his winning the election.
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GB, I’m not going to insult your intelligence, because your comments are usually spot on. I understand your perceptions from the outside looking in. But trust me, as an American in the inside, Bernie Sanders will be an absolute disaster for progressive politics and the Democratic Party. The very reason Putin’s troll farms, and Trump himself, are promoting his candidacy. Not only will he lose badly, he’ll probably cost the Dems the House majority they worked so hard to gain in 2018.
Bernie’s embrace of the term “socialism,” his Jewish heritage, his age, his health, his expensive proposals (none of which he can pass without a democratic majority in both sides of Congress), all spell trouble. Trust me, it will be a train wreck that will make 2016 look like a cakewalk.
Americans are not particularly bright. We’re isolated geographically, a xenophobic nation of immigrants. We elected Trump. That should tell you what we are up against. Just saying “well maybe enough kids will turn out to vote” to offset the lost minority votes, the lost moderate votes, the lost suburban votes, the lost Rust Belt votes, is crazy talk. Trust me, it won’t happen in America.
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The Democrat Party has no worries about which aging incompetent may win, so long as one of them wins. A suitable behind the scenes elite will pull the strings, no matter which of them the Party drags across the finish line.
Same as in 2016, when Donna Brazil was with CNN, feeding correct answers to Hillary Clinton in Democrat Primary debates, and eventually Bernie Sanders was flushed out of the Primary race, the same game plan is working now. The mistake last time was the choice of an incompetent and lazy Nominee, who could not be dragged across the only finish line that counts, the Electoral College as so many Americans want nothing to do with her.
Seems Hillary is waiting even today, in the wings... with Bloomberg, Judge Judy and who knows what else they may conjure up, should Biden take the fall he has been working hard to take, prior to the Democrat Convention.
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Reading a script from Glavset. How does it feel to be working for the Trolls from Olgino? Who’s the traitor now? You, or your con man idol?
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A Slurring Trump Calls For Buttigieg and Klobuchar To Be Impeached For Endorsing Joe Biden
Donald Trump was in regular form on Monday night, slurring his way through another MAGA mob rally by ramping up attacks on Democratic candidates, particularly the surging former Vice President Joe Biden.
At one point during his ramble, he accused Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar of a quid pro quo because the two candidates dropped out and endorsed Biden.
“Sounds like they made a deal, ya know?” Trump said. “Quid pro quo! They made a deal! Impeach them! They should be impeached! They should be impeached! Quid pro quo!”
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A Slurring Trump Calls For Buttigieg and Klobuchar To Be Impeached For Endorsing Joe Biden
Donald Trump was in regular form on Monday night, slurring his way through another MAGA mob rally by ramping up attacks on Democratic candidates, particularly the surging former Vice President Joe Biden.
At one point during his ramble, he accused Pete Buttigieg and Amy Klobuchar of a quid pro quo because the two candidates dropped out and endorsed Biden.
“Sounds like they made a deal, ya know?” Trump said. “Quid pro quo! They made a deal! Impeach them! They should be impeached! They should be impeached! Quid pro quo!”
He might not make it to the election. He should think about his health and just resign. Fat chance I guess.
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"Quid Pro JoE", with a screaming crowd yelling "4 More Years"...
Just heard some of the Deep State endorsed Biden today, Susan Rice, Brennan and Comey... sounds like Joe was less than welcoming of some of them.
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It's official...Mike Bloomberg has pulled the plug.
http://www.startribune.com/ap-source-bloomberg-to-reassess-after-disappointing-results/568465422/
Add this news to Biden's success on Super Tuesday and Bernie's head must be spinning. He was looking good a couple days ago and now there's a complete reversal.
Maybe it's just the voters coming to their senses. That's right, I don't like Bernie.
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First it was Hillary Clinton's minions ganging up on Bernie Sanders in 2016. Now it is all the also rans climbing on board the Joe Biden wagon to maybe deprive Sanders of another shot at the Presidency. Sanders could get a complex if this keeps up. ;D
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Sure the establishment would prefer a moderate Democrat, but nothing is "rigged" in their favor this time or in 2016.
Hillary had the most delegates in 2016, and we are still waiting to find out what happens this year. Whomover gets the most delegates wins.
I mean WTF that the GOP is trying to make "a thing" of a non-issue? And it's not like the GOP has room to talk. They rigged their primaries by deciding in advance Trump would be their candidate and cancelled most of their primaries.
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Democrat Party elites have decided they would rather lose to Trump with a supposed Moderate, traditional long time Democrat like Biden, and each of them go back to milking the Treasury in their regular jobs, regular 'status' maintained, than lose to Trump with a decided populist radical like Bernie, then have to deal with the "new Democrats" versus 'traditional' Democrats, and the upset that may cause to the elite's power and status, and taxpayer paid employment.
Joe becomes the sacrificial lamb, with a VP by acclimation to draw accolades, and the Party can go lick their wounds, and plot the demise of President Trump anew.
Bloomberg will fund Biden, for the rest of the passion play, so that is covered.
No need for other significant donors, so little opposition from the donor base.
Joe lives to gaffe from now until November, sort of sentimental Nominee. Can practice telling the difference between his Wife and his Sister... (If he were to adopt Ilhan Omar's position, his wife could be his sister, lol...)
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Sure the establishment would prefer a moderate Democrat, but nothing is "rigged" in their favor this time or in 2016.
Not necessarily rigged but heavily persuaded by the DNC to go with the candidate they prefer.
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Sure the establishment would prefer a moderate Democrat, but nothing is "rigged" in their favor this time or in 2016.
Not necessarily rigged but heavily persuaded by the DNC to go with the candidate they prefer.
It’s the DNC’s job to do what is best for the party by winning elections. If it’s viewed as subverting the will of the people, that is counterproductive to that goal.
That said, there’s an irrational portion of Sanders supporters that will claim ‘cheating again’ if Sanders does not get the nomination, regardless of the circumstances including action or inaction by the DNC.
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Fauxcohontas will announce the end of her Campaign today, as there is no money to pay for Staff, and the PAC who has been paying her 1000 Union Staffers will no longer waste their money.
Will she endorse anyone?
Does it matter?
Does anyone care, after she lost her own State badly? Liz will cut her losses, and screech about something else for a while, no doubt.
MA voters told the Senator, thank you for your service. Get back to work, pls...
BTW, she leaked it to the NY Times, rather than tell her beloved staffers first.
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I keep seeing people say ‘Don’t count on Warren’s support shifting to Sanders’ even before her campaign just announced it is ending, as if it was a given it would. I also think those saying that are possibly underestimating that ‘lack of shift’. The typical Warren supporter is educated and pragmatic.
I’m actually rather pleased that those that are done are accepting that reality with grace.
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Seems the sequence was, Liz told Chairman Schiff of her decision, and then the NY Times mysteriously learned the information, and broadcast it widely.
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I think that Warren’s three supporters are much more likely to fall behind Bernie Sanders, than they are to come across the aisle to Biden. So I don’t know that this improves Biden’s chances, but it certainly clarifies the field. My only concern is whether or not the “Bernie or Bust“ faction will stay away from the polls again. We aren’t plotting against your candidate. We are plotting against your candidate’s platform.
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We aren’t plotting against your candidate. We are plotting against your candidate’s platform.
It’s not even that. When confronted with the worst president in American history possibly extended his tyranny, you do what makes the most sense.
(https://i.imgur.com/1lJQvuo.jpg)
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Warren Returns To Tribe In Shame After Failing To Take Land Back From The Pale Faces (https://babylonbee.com/news/warren-returns-to-tribe-in-shame-after-failing-to-retake-land-from-the-white-man)
A good chuckle. (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/products/Tears_Emoji_Icon_2_70x70.png?v=1485573515) The Cherokee expressed mixed emotions at seeing Warren return, from "Who are you?" to "How many times do we have to tell you that if you're not gonna play some slots at the casino, then you're gonna need to leave?”
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I find all this angst from Warren and supporters to be misplaced. I also find it a bit absurd she and others view her failed candidacy as a repudiation of a woman president. That two older white men top the Democrats is also not a repudiation of diversity within the party.
While even acknowledging that the last Democrat nominee was a woman, they’re still trying to make this assertion. It’s absurd. Hillary wasn’t just the last nominee, she won the popular vote. And she would have won the election if it weren’t for a thoroughly despicable and false propaganda assault from the right. And the two candidates prior leading the field for the nomination were a woman and a black man, one of which won two terms.
My first choice back when this all started admittedly fluctuated, but was most consistently centered on Harris, a black woman. I didn’t chose her for a double dose of diversity. I chose her as who I thought best suited to be president and take on Donald Trump.
That two old white men top the field among Democrats is due to name recognition, at least mostly. Everyone knows who Biden and Sanders are. Prior to this election cycle, even I who pay a lot of attention barely knew who Klobuchar was. She lost due to lack of name recognition. Harris had a poor campaign; I hope she gets better organized in the future. Warren didn’t have that great of a campaign either, and she’s too far left for many, and doing that DNA test and pissing off the real Native Americans didn’t help either.
That somehow an older white man shouldn’t be the nominee due to ‘lack of diversity’ sticks in my craw as, well, a older white man. Those whose names everyone know of Biden, Sanders and Bloomberg will be too old in the near future. We had a diverse field to start, and I’m sure that diversity will persist (at least within the Democrats).
There will be a woman president some day soon, might even be a Republican, but I doubt it. So get over yourself Warren, you’re coming off as rather arrogant right now and childishly miffed at not winning. And I’m saying that as someone that admires you greatly and thinks you were and are qualified to be president, just wasn’t in the cards this round.
A VP choice is an instance where I see purposely adding diversity as extremely important. Biden mostly has the African American vote, so does he target appealing to women or Latinos?
Again I say, Biden/Harris or Biden Castro.
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Now Amy Klobuchar is speculating if ‘they’ wanted a man to take on Trump. ‘We’ want a capable person to take on and take down Trump. I don’t see where gender, race or sexual orientation matters in that. As far as a woman being capable, Nancy Pelosi owns Trump every time they’re in the same room together.
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We aren’t plotting against your candidate. We are plotting against your candidate’s platform.
It’s not even that. When confronted with the worst president in American history possibly extended his tyranny, you do what makes the most sense.
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Free borscht with regime change.
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I love borscht, both the hot winter version and the cold summer version with a dab or sour cream. Beets and especially beet greens are my favorite vegetable.
Don’t tel my Peruvian, but sometimes I miss my Polish wife. I’d say ‘my Pole’, but in this crowd the word pole (especially missing one) would get some comments.
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I like Warren. She was my pick. But even no longer in the race she made a difference, because ideas do matter.
Elizabeth Warren Has Changed The Democratic Party
Her presidential campaign is over, but she is winning the war for ideas.
By Zach Carter
The two most influential scholars of economic inequality in the past 50 years are a French economist named Thomas Piketty and a former Harvard law professor named Elizabeth Warren. Piketty’s work revolutionized the way we think about capitalism; Warren’s research transformed the way we think about the economic pressures facing middle-class families. Her bankruptcy scholarship from the 1980s through the 2000s didn’t just resonate with those reading law reviews and economic journals. It took Washington. Chuck Schumer was stunned to read Warren’s work indicating that middle class incomes were actually declining during what had seemed like boom years at the turn of the millennium. She had discovered, he said, “the greatest crisis in America.”
Warren could have contented herself with a comfortable life writing books as a celebrated intellectual. She pursued power instead.
Most academics who come to Washington leverage their prestige to ingratiate themselves with the elite. They write briefs and studies and op-eds that, consciously or not, flatter the sensibilities of the rich and powerful.
Warren was different. She showed up in D.C. in 2009 as the chair of a panel overseeing the bank bailouts. The panel was essentially toothless ― something created to mollify critics without limiting the Treasury Department’s ability to do what it wanted with the $700 billion Congress had allotted the financial rescue. Warren could have easily secured a place for herself in Democratic Party politics by playing nice and not looking too hard at the people in power.
Instead, she converted the oversight committee into a bracing exposé of abuse and incompetence, enraging the Obama administration and educating the public. Warren demonstrated the lengths that Obama’s Treasury Department would go to in order to help rogue bankers, efforts that included throwing millions of struggling homeowners to the wolves. Somehow, this performance vaulted her into the Senate, and from the Senate to, for a few weeks this fall, a position as the front-runner for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination.
On Thursday, Warren formally withdrew from the primary, after a disappointing showing in early states. But like her career prior to Washington, the significance of Warren’s campaign can’t really be measured quantitatively. Warren has changed the way we think about our politics in ways many Americans don’t even realize. The horizon of possibilities is wider and a bit brighter as a result of her run, and ideas that once seemed like hippie pipe dreams are now the serious subject of policy discussion. Even self-proclaimed moderates and centrists now define themselves on her terms ― they are moderate because they don’t want to do what Elizabeth Warren has proposed.
When Piketty published ”Capital in the Twenty-First Century,” he closed the book with a call for a new tax, not on income, but on accumulated fortunes. Only this ambitious new effort to corral the rich, he insisted, and could reverse the grim expansion of economic inequality under capitalism.
In Washington, this policy advice was regarded as the book’s principal flaw. A wealth tax was silly. It could never happen. It was the sort of thing a very smart but impractical academic might propose. No Democrat in Congress wrote any legislation pursuing Piketty’s idea. Nobody even assigned staff to investigate the idea further.
Until Warren ran for president. Working with Piketty disciples Emmanuel Saez and Gabriel Zucman at the University of California, Berkeley, Warren put together a detailed, ambitious plan to tax the fortunes of billionaires and ultra-millionaires. By imposing a small annual tax on these hoards of wealth ― just two cents for every dollar over $50 million, as Warren is fond of emphasizing ― this new tax would raise billions in revenue for the federal government and, most important of all, take a sledgehammer to inequality.
This was a new idea in Washington. Ever since the administration of John F. Kennedy, taxation had been understood exclusively as a way to fund the government. Warren was offering taxation as a cure for inequality, not because the government is broke, but because inequality is bad.
And people loved it. According to one New York Times poll, a full two-thirds of the country supports Warren’s wealth tax. Even most millionaires support it, according to a CNBC survey.
It’s not just the wealth tax. Universal childcare, student debt cancellation, reimagining U.S. trade policy ― again and again Warren drew on her expertise as a bankruptcy law expert to target the financial hardships facing working families, and then developed sophisticated, ironclad policy proposals to tackle those problems.
Warren pitched these ideas with the moral clarity of a Methodist preacher. “The fight for justice will never be over,” she told thousands of rallygoers in Atlanta. “With every win, a bigger win stands just around the corner. With every inch we take on the moral arc of justice, we make an extra mile possible.”
In Warren’s telling, her plans seemed not only possible, but necessary. She didn’t shy away from unpleasant truths. The government, she said, had been corrupted by big money, and Republicans weren’t the only crooks in Washington. But change would have to begin within the Democratic Party, and she was ready to change it.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) is running an honorable campaign premised on many of the same foundations on which Warren built hers. But for all his commitment to principle, Sanders simply does not carry the same intellectual gravitas that Warren does. Despite his talk of revolution, Sanders is always looking to the past. He wants to revive the best ideas of former presidents — Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal and Lyndon B. Johnson’s Great Society. His proposals are all ideas that FDR and LBJ had before, expanded or modified to meet our moment. He is a politician, and a good one, but Warren is something else ― a once-in-a-generation figure like John Maynard Keynes or John Kenneth Galbraith who can rewrite conventional wisdom and then walk the corridors of power putting new ideas in practice.
And so many of Sanders’ most promising policies are essentially Warren plans turned up a notch. His wealth tax is heavier, and he’d cancel all student debt, not just 75% of it. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but consensus is the best path to progress. When Warren and Sanders appeared on the debate stage together before of millions of Americans, it was their ideas that seemed reasonable and practical, not the tut-tutting of centrist after centrist who collapsed long before the Iowa caucuses.
Elizabeth Warren will not be the next president of the United States, but her work is not done. Our politics and our planet are still in peril. We are fortunate to have her in the fight for the future.
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As long as the older whites continue to out vote minorities and young people, we’re going to have older, likely white, candidates. And I agree that saying a woman can’t win the nomination ignores that Clinton was the nominee and won the popular vote.
I think the liberal faction of the Democratic Party is the future of America. Lots of angry white males are going to die off in the next 20 years. They aren’t replacing them fast enough, which is the real reason the GOP wants to shut down the border. It’s too little, too late. But this time, 2020, I am supporting Biden now. We will see.
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Sanders Campaign Says He Is Reassessing
BY WILL WEISSERT AND BRIAN SLODYSKO
32 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders says he is reassessing his campaign, raising questions about whether he will drop out after losing three more states and falling prohibitively behind former Vice President Joe Biden in the race.
A Sanders spokesman denied a report that the Vermont senator was suspending his campaign Wednesday afternoon, but that word came as Sanders pulled down digital advertising on Facebook and Google, triggering further confusion in a contest already upended by the coronavirus.
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Goody. Trump and creepy uncle Joe.
Is it too late to elect emperor Palpatine? Say what you will, he did bring peace to the galaxy and had a strong military. Well, it had its flaws.
Oh, god! I'm thinking about star wars shit! :facepalm:
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Looks like another protest vote from me. I might pencil in Michael Scott for president with Dwight Schrute as VP
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Looks like another protest vote from me. I might pencil in Michael Scott for president with Dwight Schrute as VP
Please, just vote for Trump. It’s the same thing.
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Looks like another protest vote from me. I might pencil in Michael Scott for president with Dwight Schrute as VP
Please, just vote for Trump. It’s the same thing.
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The thing is, it's not the same thing. :emot_kiss:
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Looks like another protest vote from me. I might pencil in Michael Scott for president with Dwight Schrute as VP
Please, just vote for Trump. It’s the same thing.
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The thing is, it's not the same thing. :emot_kiss:
When they come after your disability payments, your Social Security, your VA benefits, your Medicare, and you’re left struggling to get by... At least you’ll have your protest vote to keep you warm at night.
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Looks like another protest vote from me. I might pencil in Michael Scott for president with Dwight Schrute as VP
Please, just vote for Trump. It’s the same thing.
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The thing is, it's not the same thing. :emot_kiss:
When they come after your disability payments, your Social Security, your VA benefits, your Medicare, and you’re left struggling to get by... At least you’ll have your protest vote to keep you warm at night.
Knowing that my vote didn't take part in those decisions and I'm not a hypocrite, yes I will sleep well with my decision. :emot_kiss:
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Tulsi Gabbard, the Hawaii congresswoman who attracted little mainstream Democratic support but gained traction with some on the far left and the far right, has ended her campaign for the presidency, she said Thursday.
Gabbard said she was endorsing former vice president Joe Biden, the current leader in the delegate count.
“Although I may not agree with the vice president on every issue, I know that he has a good heart, and he’s motivated by his love for our country and the American people. I’m confident that he will lead our country guided by the spirit of aloha, respect and compassion, and thus help heal the divisiveness that has been tearing our country apart,” she said in a video posted to Twitter.
A second former presidential rival, Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y), also endorsed Biden on Thursday, joining a dozen other former competitors to back his bid to become the Democratic nominee.
“He’s the absolute best candidate to defeat President Trump and I think he is the person who has gained the trust and the respect of the American people in a way that no one else has,” said Gillibrand in an interview with The Washington Post. “The truth is he’s run the strongest campaign.”
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Bye bye Bernie
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Trump and creepy Joe.
We're so fucked.
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Bye bye Bernie
Sanders was too far left for many of the Democrats, especially those who want to make sure Trump will not win in November.
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Bye bye Bernie
Sanders was too far left for many of the Democrats, especially those who want to make sure Trump will not win in November.
He was irrelevant months ago... well I think he was irrelevant since last election.
It used to be that you'd vote for the best candidate, now it's voting for the lesser of two evils.
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The DNC's motto since 2016 has been, Anyone but Trump. Biden may not be the best presidential candidate, but he has the potential to unseat Trump, especially if this pandemic reaches into the late summer.
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Bernie is a DINO, a leftist, and the worst possible candidate the Dems could have fronted. He would have cost Dems the House, and any hope of taking the Senate back. He’s a train wreck in slow motion.
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Bernie is a DINO, a leftist, and the worst possible candidate the Dems could have fronted. He would have cost Dems the House, and any hope of taking the Senate back. He’s a train wreck in slow motion.
It's okay, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. :emot_laughing:
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Bernie is a DINO, a leftist, and the worst possible candidate the Dems could have fronted. He would have cost Dems the House, and any hope of taking the Senate back. He’s a train wreck in slow motion.
You've made it clear that you don't like Bernie Sanders and I presume it's because he's just that bit too far left for you, but your attempt at analysis veers for the hysterical.
I think Sanders would have been a bad choice for presidential candidate because he is too old and if it was ever his time that was 2016, but Biden is an even worse choice in my opinion. All he has going for him is a good CV and superficial charm. He's just as much an old white guy as either Sanders or Trump and his policies are about as radical as a cheese sandwich. Trump will make a fool of him in debates (with or without the support of factual information), if he doesn't do that job for him himself. He will need a miraculous campaign to convince the same people who did not vote for Clinton in 2016 to go to the polls for him.
The Democrats still seem to have learned nothing from the 2016 election and running Biden comes with a high risk of presenting nothing new to even learn from for 2024.
What is wrong with you??? Have you lost or mind??? There is nothing radical about a cheese sandwich.
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Bernie is a DINO, a leftist, and the worst possible candidate the Dems could have fronted. He would have cost Dems the House, and any hope of taking the Senate back. He’s a train wreck in slow motion.
You've made it clear that you don't like Bernie Sanders and I presume it's because he's just that bit too far left for you, but your attempt at analysis veers for the hysterical.
I think Sanders would have been a bad choice for presidential candidate because he is too old and if it was ever his time that was 2016, but Biden is an even worse choice in my opinion. All he has going for him is a good CV and superficial charm. He's just as much an old white guy as either Sanders or Trump and his policies are about as radical as a cheese sandwich. Trump will make a fool of him in debates (with or without the support of factual information), if he doesn't do that job for him himself. He will need a miraculous campaign to convince the same people who did not vote for Clinton in 2016 to go to the polls for him.
The Democrats still seem to have learned nothing from the 2016 election and running Biden comes with a high risk of presenting nothing new to even learn from for 2024.
What is wrong with you??? Have you lost or mind??? There is nothing radical about a cheese sandwich.
If you grill the cheese sandwich, and add several dollops of Frank's, you have a radical cheese sandwich, and a delicious one, too.
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Bernie is a DINO, a leftist, and the worst possible candidate the Dems could have fronted. He would have cost Dems the House, and any hope of taking the Senate back. He’s a train wreck in slow motion.
You've made it clear that you don't like Bernie Sanders and I presume it's because he's just that bit too far left for you, but your attempt at analysis veers for the hysterical.
I think Sanders would have been a bad choice for presidential candidate because he is too old and if it was ever his time that was 2016, but Biden is an even worse choice in my opinion. All he has going for him is a good CV and superficial charm. He's just as much an old white guy as either Sanders or Trump and his policies are about as radical as a cheese sandwich. Trump will make a fool of him in debates (with or without the support of factual information), if he doesn't do that job for him himself. He will need a miraculous campaign to convince the same people who did not vote for Clinton in 2016 to go to the polls for him.
The Democrats still seem to have learned nothing from the 2016 election and running Biden comes with a high risk of presenting nothing new to even learn from for 2024.
I agree that the Democrats seem to have learned little from the 2016 election, as I've commented elsewhere.
The phrase you hear most about Biden is that he's the "most electable" candidate, but I agree with GB that that's not necessarily true. Keep in mind that in January 2016, Trump one of the least electable GOP candidates, yet here we are.
Assertions of a Biden-Sanders ticket are disastrous. They're both white men, they're both from the East Coast, and on Election Day they'll have a combined age of 156.
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"...Assertions of a Biden-Sanders ticket are disastrous. They're both white men, they're both from the East Coast, and on Election Day they'll have a combined age of 156..."
MissBarbara is correct. Only the best is warranted, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi must, for the good of the Nation, resign from Congress, and join with soon to be Presidential Nominee Biden on the Democrat Ticket.
A woman, no one doubts her sincerity and goals, from the West Coast... between California and Delaware, this Unity ticket cannot help but do the trick.
Talk about 100% Name Recognition! Democrat Star Power! A Perfect Ticket!
I agree with most, who believe trying to drag Biden across the finish line without a vibrant woman, with credentials, experience, and name recognition
would be a tragedy.
Joe and Nancy!
Joe's coal miner roots, Nancy's Baltimore roots, add in Delaware, Bankers, and California, with Hillary bringing NewYork again just by Campaigning with the ticket, and the whole 22 or 24 Primary Field standing behind them, what more could anyone ask for? Bernie doing the warm up for Rallies.. perfection...
And Hollywood! Michael Moore, Barbara Streisand, Wow... can taste it...
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Any talk of Sanders or Pelosi on the ticket is pointless nonsense. It will be a woman, just that Nancy isn’t even on the long list.
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Kamala Harris is holding virtual fund raisers in California. Could she be Biden's choice for VP?
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Kamala Harris is holding virtual fund raisers in California. Could she be Biden's choice for VP?
My first pick, although there’s some lesser known Latinas that might also be good choices.