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1408 => Politics => Topic started by: Lois on March 17, 2020, 07:19:49 AM



Title: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on March 17, 2020, 07:19:49 AM
I'm guesssing Bernie won't make it.  So if the choice is the above, how would you vote?

Feel free to say you would not vote for anyone if Bernie is not an option.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on March 17, 2020, 07:40:50 PM
Since Biden now has said he will select a woman to run for vice-president with him if he is nominated, it will be interesting to see who he chooses.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on March 17, 2020, 09:42:22 PM
Since Biden now has said he will select a woman to run for vice-president with him if he is nominated, it will be interesting to see who he chooses.

Gov Whitmer from Michigan is a very strong contender.  Biden really wants Michigan.  He wants a blue Michigan in November..
She's just not proven and getting nothing done since she came into office in 2018.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on March 18, 2020, 12:16:45 AM
Stacey Abrams, GA, the woman who failed, lost the Governor's election, and just will not go quietly away, is the woman Biden "promised" for running mate, then said he never said that... another gaffe? who knows with JoE...

Hillary is still out there... her husband was "americas first black president"... does that count?  Cabinet will be filled with Hillary's people, Obama's people...

Did JoE promise a WOC, or a Black Woman for VP? How about a black person who views themselves as a Woman... for the trans vote?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on March 18, 2020, 07:36:47 AM
We all kow that Trump will try to leverage the corona virus hoax to cancel the election and crown himself King.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on March 18, 2020, 09:37:15 AM
  Do Joe's statements hit a nerve, Toe? Is Stacey Abrams one of the VP Names Biden has suggested, or tried to suggest? Was way back when, when he lost the initial few Primary races, of course...

  Has JoE 'ruled out' a transperson for VP? I have not seen that statement yet.
I understand you bailed on JoE, wasted your early vote on a long shot, and now JoE has your FULL support... or something like that...

  When you made the decision to bail, was it in part because of the gaffes and mistakes, and fake angry (I hope) ready to go outside 'JoE' personality? Or just cause you enjoy being a front runner, when choosing the Dem to lose in 2020.

Stacey Abrams, GA, the woman who failed, lost the Governor's election, and just will not go quietly away, is the woman Biden "promised" for running mate, then said he never said that... another gaffe? who knows with JoE...

Hillary is still out there... her husband was "americas first black president"... does that count?  Cabinet will be filled with Hillary's people, Obama's people...

Did JoE promise a WOC, or a Black Woman for VP? How about a black person who views themselves as a Woman... for the trans vote?

You ugly disgusting fucker.  Go fuck yourself John.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on March 18, 2020, 03:29:37 PM
 I would like to see Amy Klobucher as Biden's running mate.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on March 18, 2020, 05:00:41 PM
One thing’s for certain, just like the next president, the next VP will be a monumental improvement over the current one.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on March 18, 2020, 05:08:12 PM
One thing’s for certain, just like the next president, the next VP will be a monumental improvement over the current one.

Vice presidents are chosen for a myriad of reasons, one major reason being they are not, nor appear to be, smarter then the president. Egos come into big play.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on March 18, 2020, 06:45:50 PM

I would like to see Amy Klobucher as Biden's running mate.


Me, too.

And, at the risk of blowing my own horn, I predicted this 3-4 weeks ago.






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on March 18, 2020, 07:38:00 PM

I would like to see Amy Klobucher as Biden's running mate.


Me, too.

And, at the risk of blowing my own horn, I predicted this 3-4 weeks ago.



You must have blown my horn too, as I favored a Biden-Kobucher ticket . 8)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on March 18, 2020, 07:40:49 PM
Me too.  

Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.

I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on March 18, 2020, 09:34:59 PM
Me too.  

Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.

I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.



(https://i.imgur.com/VUo9Das.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on March 18, 2020, 09:40:38 PM
Me too.  

Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.

I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.



(https://i.imgur.com/VUo9Das.jpg)

Harris is from California, and California is safely democratic. I think Klobuchar from Minnesota would be a better bet, because you got the Rust Belt states up there around the great lakes, and she’s going to appeal to them. I also don’t know about the race card, but let’s face it, you can count on Trump to play it.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: staci on March 18, 2020, 10:17:24 PM
I feel Kamala is perfect for Atty Gen.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on March 18, 2020, 10:18:48 PM
I feel Kamala is perfect for Atty Gen.


I agree 100%.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on March 18, 2020, 10:21:05 PM
I think Biden can win the Midwest states in play on his own.  Harris is top pick in polls.

There’s also a couple Latinas in the SW they would be excellent choices, only draw back is they don’t have name recognition (for instance I can’t recall their names).

All that said, Amy as VP would not disappoint me at all.  Pence set the bar so very low.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: gater67 on March 19, 2020, 01:18:18 AM
Anybody but Trump.  He has no credibility because of his gas lighting and lies from day one.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Sensualtravler on March 19, 2020, 11:57:45 PM
We all kow that Trump will try to leverage the corona virus hoax to cancel the election and crown himself King.

Hoax?! Proof that democrats are completely delusional


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: lorenzokb on April 07, 2020, 08:20:30 AM
Since Biden now has said he will select a woman to run for vice-president with him if he is nominated, it will be interesting to see who he chooses.

And once he chooses, will he remember who he chose?  The Democrats had much better candidates than Biden and Bernie.  Given Trump's current popularity, the DNC picked Biden as a 'fatted calf' this time around.

Or...

If Biden keeps stumbling around, the DNC might broker their convention and pull in Hilary off the bench.

Either way, Trump might better Nixon's win over McGoven and get all 50 states and territories.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on May 03, 2020, 06:42:49 PM
I agree that we could have done much better than Biden.  But I'll vote for him because the alternative is Trump, and he's been a disaster of monumental proportions.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on May 03, 2020, 07:43:35 PM
I wish I lived in a time where votes were placed on who the best candidate was, not the lesser of two evils.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ChirpingGirl on May 03, 2020, 07:46:52 PM
I wish I lived in a time where votes were placed on who the best candidate was, not the lesser of two evils.

Never going to happen.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on May 03, 2020, 09:34:39 PM
I wish I lived in a time where votes were placed on who the best candidate was, not the lesser of two evils.

Never going to happen.

You've already won the debbie downer trophy.  Are you just trying to cement you place?

Every party needs a pooper
That's why we invited you

Chirping giiiirrrrllllll
 :emot_laughing:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ChirpingGirl on May 03, 2020, 09:37:59 PM
I wish I lived in a time where votes were placed on who the best candidate was, not the lesser of two evils.

Never going to happen.

You've already won the debbie downer trophy.  Are you just trying to cement you place?

Every party needs a pooper
That's why we invited you

Chirping giiiirrrrllllll
 :emot_laughing:

The last party I went to I got overdose level wasted on drugs and knocked up.  :roll:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on May 04, 2020, 12:12:22 AM

I wish I lived in a time where votes were placed on who the best candidate was, not the lesser of two evils.


Never going to happen.


That exclusively depends on your personal point of view.

In 2008, I voted for Obama because he was the best candidate, and I voted for him enthusiastically.

So, it DOES happen...





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: lorenzokb on May 04, 2020, 01:32:01 AM
I agree that we could have done much better than Biden.  But I'll vote for him because the alternative is Trump, and he's been a disaster of monumental proportions.

Disaster for liberalism I agree.  And then the DNC stepped on their collective dicks again.  They settled on an accused sex pervert who molested a little girl this time.  What was this one, 14? 

'Me too' anybody?

I think Hillary is warming up in the bullpen.  At least when she had Vince Foster killed, she didn't get caught.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Soignie on May 04, 2020, 01:40:44 AM
Since Biden now has said he will select a woman to run for vice-president with him if he is nominated, it will be interesting to see who he chooses.

Gov Whitmer from Michigan is a very strong contender.  Biden really wants Michigan.  He wants a blue Michigan in November..
She's just not proven and getting nothing done since she came into office in 2018.

Whitmer's performance managing the coronavirus crisis will get her a ticket to the unemployment line


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: lorenzokb on May 05, 2020, 12:17:06 AM
I agree that we could have done much better than Biden.  But I'll vote for him because the alternative is Trump, and he's been a disaster of monumental proportions.

Disaster for liberalism I agree.  And then the DNC stepped on their collective dicks again.  They settled on an accused sex pervert who molested a little girl this time.  What was this one, 14? 

'Me too' anybody?

I think Hillary is warming up in the bullpen.  At least when she had Vince Foster killed, she didn't get caught.

Think I'm the only one saying this?  Yes?  Check out this article from the left of left NYT.

https://headlinehealth.com/dems-ought-to-start-considering-a-backup-plan-for-2020-nyt/


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on May 05, 2020, 12:27:53 AM

Disaster for liberalism I agree.  And then the DNC stepped on their collective dicks again.  They settled on an accused sex pervert who molested a little girl this time.  What was hthis one, 14?  

'Me too' anybody?

I think Hillary is warming up in the bullpen.  At least when she had Vince Foster killed, she didn't get caught.


The DNC didn't "settle on" anyone. The convention is still four months away (in some format or other), and thus far, Biden remains the last candidate standing because all the other candidates dropped out after seeing their primary results.



Think I'm the only one saying this?  Yes?  Check out this article from the left of left NYT.

https://headlinehealth.com/dems-ought-to-start-considering-a-backup-plan-for-2020-nyt/


Over and above the fact that the NY Times is hardly "from the left of the left," you're far from the only one saying this. In fact, millions of people have been saying that.





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: lorenzokb on May 06, 2020, 01:04:05 AM

Disaster for liberalism I agree.  And then the DNC stepped on their collective dicks again.  They settled on an accused sex pervert who molested a little girl this time.  What was hthis one, 14?  

'Me too' anybody?

I think Hillary is warming up in the bullpen.  At least when she had Vince Foster killed, she didn't get caught.


The DNC didn't "settle on" anyone. The convention is still four months away (in some format or other), and thus far, Biden remains the last candidate standing because all the other candidates dropped out after seeing their primary results.



Think I'm the only one saying this?  Yes?  Check out this article from the left of left NYT.

https://headlinehealth.com/dems-ought-to-start-considering-a-backup-plan-for-2020-nyt/


Over and above the fact that the NY Times is hardly "from the left of the left," you're far from the only one saying this. In fact, millions of people have been saying that.



Millions and millions know the NYT is left of left but that's not the point.  Maybe it isn't Hillary being groomed to replace Biden, maybe its Michelle Obama some on the left want. I doubt that the DNC wants to waste her at this time against Trump.  Maybe later after Trump's eight years.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on May 06, 2020, 01:47:31 AM

Millions and millions know the NYT is left of left but that's not the point.  Maybe it isn't Hillary being groomed to replace Biden, maybe its Michelle Obama some on the left want. I doubt that the DNC wants to waste her at this time against Trump.  Maybe later after Trump's eight years.


"Millions and millions" of people can be wrong. And in this case, they are. And, perhaps most to the point, those "millions and millions" are on the far right, who see everything news sources that does not promote their causes as "left of left."

I read the NY Times almost every day. It's true that the content of it's Op/Ed pages leans slightly to the left, but that content is opinion -- hence the name -- and not news reportage. If you read it without your conspiranoia, you might be surprised.

You clearly don't understand what the DNC is and the DNC does. I'm well aware that the right sees the DNC as a puppet-master, orchestrating events behind the scenes, and enforcing an agenda. That's not what it does, and that's not how it works.






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on May 09, 2020, 06:30:02 AM
  What did JoE Biden know, and when did he forget he knew?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on May 10, 2020, 11:15:43 PM
Why has Trump screwed up his response to SARS-2 (aka COVID-19), and why is he incapable of realizing he screwed up?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on May 13, 2020, 01:02:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=62&v=y7dBd1sWQho&feature=emb_logo


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on May 13, 2020, 01:41:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=62&v=y7dBd1sWQho&feature=emb_logo


It's worth noting that this video clip was produced and posted by Great America PAC, which is, according to its web site, "the premiere Pro-Trump Super PAC" which has "raised and spent over $30 million in support of Donald Trump’s candidacy."

Not exactly the most objective source...





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on May 13, 2020, 03:13:08 AM
As is everything John posts here.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on May 13, 2020, 02:15:25 PM
  MissBarbara, did you find something in error about "Shattered", other than the PAC who posted it originally supports our President?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on May 13, 2020, 02:53:41 PM

  MissBarbara, did you find something in error about "Shattered", other than the PAC who posted it originally supports our President?


Yes, I did:

"Democrats and media are trying to ignore her chilling story."

That statement is made 3 seconds into the video, and it couldn't be more false. In fact Joe Biden himself appeared on live TV in front of millions of people and specifically addressed the story. How could that possibly be interpreted as ignoring the story?

On top of that, every single mainstream media outlet has addressed the story, in one way or another, with some addressing it on a daily, even hourly, basis. If you want to ignore a story, that's a breathtakingly bad way to go about it.

When a video makes such an enormously glaring mistake like that in the first few seconds, it doesn't bode well for the rest of the content.

Thanks for asking!






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on May 13, 2020, 06:48:42 PM
The smartest thing Biden can do right now is to remain quiet. Trump is repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth that is causing his own party to begin to wonder what is going on. Trump praises people like Elon Musk for defying the California governor and reopening his Tesla plant while his science guy, Dr Fauci, continues to warn the nation on the perils of opening up businesses too soon.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: lorenzokb on May 14, 2020, 11:18:55 PM
The smartest thing Biden can do right now is to remain quiet. Trump is repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth that is causing his own party to begin to wonder what is going on. Trump praises people like Elon Musk for defying the California governor and reopening his Tesla plant while his science guy, Dr Fauci, continues to warn the nation on the perils of opening up businesses too soon.

Its really pretty simple.  The left wants America to fall into economic ruin while Trump try's to prevent it by taking reasonable measures against the virus and keeping the chicken little detractors at bay.  Simply stated, the left is using this virus scare to try to turn the USA into something its not, a socialist and onto a communist form of government.  In the entire history of civilized mankind have those two forms of government ever succeeded.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on May 14, 2020, 11:28:45 PM
The smartest thing Biden can do right now is to remain quiet. Trump is repeatedly putting his foot in his mouth that is causing his own party to begin to wonder what is going on. Trump praises people like Elon Musk for defying the California governor and reopening his Tesla plant while his science guy, Dr Fauci, continues to warn the nation on the perils of opening up businesses too soon.

Its really pretty simple.  The left wants America to fall into economic ruin while Trump try's to prevent it by taking reasonable measures against the virus and keeping the chicken little detractors at bay.  Simply stated, the left is using this virus scare to try to turn the USA into something its not, a socialist and onto a communist form of government.  In the entire history of civilized mankind have those two forms of government ever succeeded.

My apologies, but you're Wrong.  Just so obviously wrong


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on May 15, 2020, 12:43:10 AM

Its really pretty simple.  The left wants America to fall into economic ruin while Trump try's to prevent it by taking reasonable measures against the virus and keeping the chicken little detractors at bay.  Simply stated, the left is using this virus scare to try to turn the USA into something its not, a socialist and onto a communist form of government.  In the entire history of civilized mankind have those two forms of government ever succeeded.


My apologies, but you're Wrong.  Just so obviously wrong


So completely and obviously wrong that it isn't worth the time to respond.

Okay, one small point:

"virus scare"

There are about 87,000 Americans (as of this morning) -- along with hundreds of thousands of their friends and family members -- who would dispute that what we're currently experiencing is a "virus scare."









Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on May 15, 2020, 02:22:44 AM
I hardly think the left wants the economy to tank.  One thing about the left is they care more about the common folks than rich folks.  Who will suffer more if the economy crashes???  It sure won't be the rich folks.

I am concerned right now about the working poor that does not qualify for Unemployment benefits.  I meet people day after day whose employers never paid UI and are now getting nothing.  I would really prefer that these people could make a living so they don't get kicked out on the streets.  But I am also concerned about Hospitals and medical professionals getting swamped with sick people to the point they do not get proper care.

And as the Pandemic keeps going we are finding out more and more about it.  People have been left with permanant heart, lung, kidney & liver damage.  Young adults are dropping dead from blood-clots after having the virus, and a small but rising number of children recovering from the virus are developing overlapping features of toxic shock syndrome and atypical Kawasaki disease with blood parameters.  Kawaski syndrome is an autoimmune disorder wherein antibodies attack the body's blood vessels.  These health complications will strain our economy for years to come.

So we need to access carefully how we reopen, and how to keep our most vulnerable safe.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: lorenzokb on May 19, 2020, 08:24:20 AM
I hardly think the left wants the economy to tank.  One thing about the left is they care more about the common folks than rich folks.  Who will suffer more if the economy crashes???  It sure won't be the rich folks.

I am concerned right now about the working poor that does not qualify for Unemployment benefits.  I meet people day after day whose employers never paid UI and are now getting nothing.  I would really prefer that these people could make a living so they don't get kicked out on the streets.  But I am also concerned about Hospitals and medical professionals getting swamped with sick people to the point they do not get proper care.

And as the Pandemic keeps going we are finding out more and more about it.  People have been left with permanant heart, lung, kidney & liver damage.  Young adults are dropping dead from blood-clots after having the virus, and a small but rising number of children recovering from the virus are developing overlapping features of toxic shock syndrome and atypical Kawasaki disease with blood parameters.  Kawaski syndrome is an autoimmune disorder wherein antibodies attack the body's blood vessels.  These health complications will strain our economy for years to come.

So we need to access carefully how we reopen, and how to keep our most vulnerable safe.


Oh pay attention.  The 'rich' you are referring to are mostly on the left.  There are more on the left that are rich than on the right. 


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on May 19, 2020, 01:36:04 PM
According to Forbes Magazine, of the 50 richest families in America, 28 mainly donate to Republicans and only seven contribute mainly to Democrats. Not all families stay on the same side of the political spectrum — 15 support candidates from both parties.

Wrong again, lorenzokb.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on May 20, 2020, 07:06:21 AM
There may be more middle-class families voting Democrat, and certainly a majority of college educated folks vote Democrat.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on June 21, 2020, 01:21:17 AM
"Jim Crow JoE" is not a new name for Joe Biden, I have learned.
Not so new that Diamond & Silk invented the moniker, as I believed today when I saw Diamond & Silk use "Jim Crow JoE" for JoE Biden, when they addressed the incoming ten's of thousands of President Trump's Rally supporters in Tulsa, OK as they helped warm up the crowd.

Google of "Jim Crow JoE" results show Biden earned that moniker as Senator:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=391&v=iUj8T50PZ20&feature=emb_logo

My, my, Joe seems to have stirred up a number of negative feelings, not only when he told so many "they are not really Black" if they wonder who to vote for in November 2020... more to come, no doubt.

  For those who recently found out they may be "not Black", according to "Jim Crow JoE" (so dubbed by 'Diamond & Silk" today in their address to the massive crowd of Trump Supporters in Tulsa, OK), here is the link you have been looking for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3jkf0LjPjw

  Seriously, Black or not Black, all are welcomed by our President. Tune in and
enjoy the Rally, ongoing at this time, with the President expected shortly, as the Rally Participants continue to flow into the arena.

  Enjoy!


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on June 22, 2020, 04:36:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/dlp6o1E.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: PoorJim on August 08, 2020, 03:26:32 PM
I'd go third party if the nation wasn't so polarized one way or the other but given the choices available...


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: jbbooks on August 08, 2020, 07:04:10 PM
No way will I ever vote for Biden and I have been a democrat all my life.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: jbbooks on August 08, 2020, 07:05:42 PM
 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:
I feel Kamala is perfect for Atty Gen.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 08, 2020, 10:45:10 PM
No way will I ever vote for Biden and I have been a democrat all my life.

Clinton has only herself to blame for her lose, not Russia, The FBI, no one but herself and her own self entitlement. She felt and probably still feels she really did nothing wrong, that she ran an open and honest campaign. I would out voted for her, but I just could not trust her. For me that was the deciding factor. The Democrats will continue to blame everything and everybody for their lose. When in fact they took so many people and States for granted. While Trump has said some outrageous things during his campaign, at least it was honest and not scripted by some damn speech writers with talking points. He spoken to what a lot of us were feeling but in our "PC" climate we never expressed openly. It is people like Clinton who have put this country in the shape that it is in and there was just now way she could convince me that she could or would fix anything. What we needed was a Washington Outsider. If Trump blows the system up so be it. Maybe it can be re-built into something better. So if the Democrats want to blame Russia and their hacking so be it. The real blame lays at the feet of the career Washington Insiders like Clinton. I may not agree with our President-elect on everything he says or is going to do, but at least he will be honest about what he does.     

Yeah.  Life.  Long.  Democrat.

How’s that blowing up the system working for you?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on August 09, 2020, 12:42:55 AM

I'd go third party if the nation wasn't so polarized one way or the other but given the choices available...


In what ways is the nation "so polarized"?

I know that's a phrase that, at this point, I've heard more than a thousand times, and repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it any more true.

If you mean that the American populace has differing points of view on issues, well, we've been like that since before the ink on the Constitution even dried. Most to the point, the U.S. is in no way "more polarized" than at previous times in our history. Take, for example, the period between 1861-1865...

A lot of people arguing and declaiming on social media sites isn't an example of "polarization." It's simply an example of social media being what it is.





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: galaxybounce on August 09, 2020, 02:47:52 AM
In what ways is the nation "so polarized"?


I think there's a strong argument that political discourse is "so polarized," to a point where considered, nuanced opinions are both the exception rather than the rule and generally have to be sought out. Consider the long list of otherwise innocuous actions that can now be considered a political statement, at least to some. Meanwhile, prominent political figures run the risk of receiving widespread and extended critiscism for minor human foibles, regardless of their political party. You are the history expert so you know much better than I do how that the current climate compares to the rest of history, but my feeling is that in general people are more opinionated and less informed than they were a decade ago.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 09, 2020, 04:28:00 AM
  So, Jim, which way are you planning to vote?
 
  Will you vote: Pro Biden/Unknown... or Anti Biden/Unknown... ?

  Do you believe everything Joe Biden says?  Of course not.

  Do you believe anything Joe Biden has said he will do?  

  Do you believe 'whoever' will actually make decisions, hiding behind JoE's "name". will make the decisions with which you wholly Agree and Support?
  
  If so, WHY?  What makes you believe as you believe?

  Is there ANYTHING JoE Biden has actually DONE, Completed, Finished, that you wholeheartedly agreed, which you expected him to do? Something those who voted for Biden expected, believed he would accomplish when they cast their Ballot for JoE? (Voters, not Bankers, I mean)?

  Is Susan Rice a sound, honest, decision maker who by her past actions speaks for YOU... A person you willingly trust with Your Future?

I'd go third party if the nation wasn't so polarized one way or the other but given the choices available...


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 09, 2020, 02:52:15 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/8bFq7qQ.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on August 09, 2020, 03:54:33 PM

I'd go third party if the nation wasn't so polarized one way or the other but given the choices available...


In what ways is the nation "so polarized"?

I know that's a phrase that, at this point, I've heard more than a thousand times, and repeating it ad nauseam doesn't make it any more true.

If you mean that the American populace has differing points of view on issues, well, we've been like that since before the ink on the Constitution even dried. Most to the point, the U.S. is in no way "more polarized" than at previous times in our history. Take, for example, the period between 1861-1865...

A lot of people arguing and declaiming on social media sites isn't an example of "polarization." It's simply an example of social media being what it is.





I think both political parties are polarized, or heading that way, as moderates from both parties have either been voted out of office or declined to run for another term.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 09, 2020, 05:04:39 PM
I think the current sense of polarization is a byproduct of the 24/7 news cycle, social media, bot farms, and our addiction to personal devices and computers.  We are bombarded with 1,000’s of images daily, and unfortunately a lot of people lack the emotional maturity and/or spiritual tranquility to look past all that.

America is too fucking stupid to put on masks and practice social distancing.  Too stupid to consider a day glo orange pussy grabber might not be suited for the office of POTUS.  We have the government we deserve, because we are the ones who elected them.  We see our image in the mirror and hate it.  But the reflection that government provides will never change until we do first.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on August 09, 2020, 05:15:34 PM
We see our image in the mirror and hate it.  But the reflection that government provides will never change until we do first.

Everybody wants to change the world
But one thing's clear
No one ever wants to change themselves
That's the way things are
All because we hate the buzzkill
Jaded when we need to feel
But we can change it all if you really want it - Nothing More


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 09, 2020, 05:43:02 PM

"...America is too fucking stupid to put on masks and practice social distancing.  Too stupid to consider a day glo orange pussy grabber might not be suited for the office of POTUS.  We have the government we deserve, because we are the ones who elected them.  We see our image in the mirror and hate it.  But the reflection that government provides will never change until we do first..."

   Hard to imagine how awful a prospect it was, could be, to elect Hillary Clinton, that any alternative, especially one offering an attempt to dislodge 'The Swamp', was well worth the 'chance'...

   And, until the Covid 19 Pandemic, Trump delivered prosperity, common sense, relief from cumbersome and worrisome 'regulation' for its own sake, and the promise of a booming economy, in only the first 3 years, facing organized resistance from nearly ALL elected officials... those who were dragged along to prosperity, mostly only came along for their own personal gain... exceptions can be counted without removal of shoes...

  Covid 19 response has taught us all, there is no good reason to Shut Down the United States of America economy, and every reason to find alternative ways to continue to grow our GDP, in spite of temporary hardships...

  The true face of the left is now showing, promising more of the same, and we all need to recognize what our nation can accomplish, even when a majority of elected officials dig their heels in to thwart common sense decision making, to Make America Great, and Keep America Great into the future.

  Failure now, giving into the pressure by Leftists, including the Press/Media, for  unknown, regressive, return to the malaise of 2009 to 2016, is unthinkable. We are better than that. Trump is showing our national resilience, ability to work to overcome adversity, and the value of using common sense to sort out the future, regardless of the scheming of 'elected for life' weasels now in Congress.

  All 'Political Parties' require significant change, still, realistic agreement on the "possible", SOON, so we may move forward, to save this country, and afford prosperity into the future, to all our Citizens, and their Children.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 09, 2020, 07:28:47 PM
Hey John. 

(https://i.imgur.com/OgJ9TTL.gif)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 09, 2020, 07:40:47 PM
  Perfect, Toe... Just as I picture you, your "followers"... same ones who failed you in 2016... just older, and out of work, again, while being paid... lol...

Hey John. 

(https://i.imgur.com/OgJ9TTL.gif)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on August 09, 2020, 07:56:53 PM
I find it a little irritating how all the trump supporters claim that the trumpster is the reason the economy has picked up.  He got an economy already on the incline from the obama administration.  You can not deny that.  All the trumpster did was piggyback off that successes.  Sure he improved it a little more, unless you are a farmer, or work in the auto or steel industry, and then his trade war had our harbors swamped with cargo containers and ships full of waste that used to go to china.

Trump is out for trump and anything positive that happens is pure coincidence.  Like me stopping at a stop sign and then claiming I saved the lives of all the people I didn't hit.  


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on August 09, 2020, 09:02:31 PM
Most economic recoveries take three or four years to get going, so the factors that led to the economic growth, pre pandemic, were started during the Obama administration.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on August 09, 2020, 11:10:53 PM

In what ways is the nation "so polarized"?


I think there's a strong argument that political discourse is "so polarized," to a point where considered, nuanced opinions are both the exception rather than the rule and generally have to be sought out. Consider the long list of otherwise innocuous actions that can now be considered a political statement, at least to some. Meanwhile, prominent political figures run the risk of receiving widespread and extended criticism for minor human foibles, regardless of their political party. You are the history expert so you know much better than I do how that the current climate compares to the rest of history, but my feeling is that in general people are more opinionated and less informed than they were a decade ago.


All of that is true. But, as I said at the end, I think most of this is due to the proliferation of social media sites which didn't even exist a decade ago.

And that's the difference. We are no more "polarized" than at many points in U.S. history, and in many ways less so. Americans are just as opinionated and just as ill-informed as in the past, they simply have in comparably more outlets to express their opinions. And, perhaps worst of all, fact-based opinions today seem completely beside the point.

And we are far less "polarized" than in many places elsewhere in the world, most notably, western Europe. To take the easy example, Trump is not a conservative and Biden is not a liberal, not even in the watered-down American usage of those terms. The difference between today's Democrats and Republicans -- except for a handful of push-button social issues, almost all of which the president has no control over -- is relatively minor, especially when compared to many Europeans nations.

There's also the somewhat uniquely American phenomenon of having bitter arguments over what can/might/could happen. Virtually everything related to the November elections, including the form under which voting will take place, is about what might happen, and one opinion is less viable than the next one.







Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: PoorJim on August 10, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
What I meant by polarized is the mindset most people have that they only two choices, left or right.  The fact that an independent has almost no chance of winning in a primary election is an example.  If you're not voting either democrat or republican you may as well just not vote.  I really don't like either of the options in that respect but I can NEVER see myself voting for the likes of Trump so if I vote it will be for Biden or I just won't.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on August 10, 2020, 01:31:52 PM
I protest voted last election.  Penciled in.  I couldn't see myself voting for either primary candidate. Disliked and distrusted both.  So I still did my civic duty and voted but did an basic throw away vote.  This time my vote is purely anti-trumpster

People want to point fingers at me and blame me for trump winning, but I didnt vote for him.  Want to blame somebody for him winning, blame those that DID vote for him.

Blaming me for a trump win because of my protest vote is like blaming me for 9/11 because I didnt take one of those flights and stop the terrorists.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: galaxybounce on August 10, 2020, 04:13:53 PM

And we are far less "polarized" than in many places elsewhere in the world, most notably, western Europe. To take the easy example, Trump is not a conservative and Biden is not a liberal, not even in the watered-down American usage of those terms. The difference between today's Democrats and Republicans -- except for a handful of push-button social issues, almost all of which the president has no control over -- is relatively minor, especially when compared to many Europeans nations.


I'm failing to understand your reasoning here. Polarisation is defined by division, not contrast. What Western European country are you thinking of?

People want to point fingers at me and blame me for trump winning, but I didnt vote for him.  Want to blame somebody for him winning, blame those that DID vote for him.

Blame those that failed to deliver something else for voters to vote for, I say.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on August 10, 2020, 05:39:14 PM

And we are far less "polarized" than in many places elsewhere in the world, most notably, western Europe. To take the easy example, Trump is not a conservative and Biden is not a liberal, not even in the watered-down American usage of those terms. The difference between today's Democrats and Republicans -- except for a handful of push-button social issues, almost all of which the president has no control over -- is relatively minor, especially when compared to many Europeans nations.


I'm failing to understand your reasoning here. Polarisation is defined by division, not contrast. What Western European country are you thinking of?


Germany, for example, where you'll have large blocs of supporters from every point on the political spectrum, from communists to monarchists, and everywhere in between, including anarchists. Those blocs disagree about the form the government should take.

In the U.S., our "divisions" are between two parties which are only an inch or two right or left of center, and where everyone is in almost perfect agreement about the form the government should take (i.e. the one outlined in our 240-year-old Constitution). Even the very hotly debated topic of using the current Electoral College system vs. a Popular Vote system (or a hybrid of the two) is a dispute about the means, and not the form.

I've heard or read the phrase "deeply divided" referring to American opinions hundreds and hundreds of times, and -- as I mentioned -- except for a group of push-button social issues, we're not "deeply divided" at all.






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on August 12, 2020, 12:08:46 AM
Me too.  

Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.

I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.



(https://i.imgur.com/VUo9Das.jpg)


Yep.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on August 12, 2020, 03:01:36 AM
Harris will win her VP debates with Pence. Not sure Biden will with Trump.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ChirpingGirl on August 12, 2020, 03:19:35 AM
Swing and a miss, creepy uncle Joe.  :emot_laughing:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on August 12, 2020, 04:38:25 PM
I like Joe.  His heart is in the right place. I assume the reference to him as "sleepy" is because he's not exciting. 

Well, the truth is I've had enough of "exciting" the last four years. I'm looking forward to an end to children stolen from their parents and placed in cages on our southern border, daily childish snipes at other people, and the attacks on our democratic institutions.

Vote for Joe, let's get back to decency again.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on August 15, 2020, 05:01:20 PM
seriously?  after seeing how trump exposed all the swamp on dem side and fired all the swamp on rep side and created the best economy in my 60 years lifetime and did every single thing he promised like going down a check list...something i have NEVER seen any president do before..is anyone really even considering voting for a senile old guy who has been in politics for 40 years and accomplished nothing?

i laughed when trump ran..but he turned out to be the greatest president in my lifetime and i truly believe he saved our country from what we all see now in NY and seattle and anywhere democrats have bowed down to the nazi socialist facists that want to destroy the greatest country on earth..something they will ALL regret when they grow older and wiser and the bubble those spoiled brats live in really pops. if they get their way it will be their own personal hell they will struggle in to survive, and suffer while they kick themselves in the ass and say "my god i was stupid when i was young and destructive, i ruined my own future!"..they all need to spend a year or two in the philippines or somalia (or anywhere thats not a US ally) to get a dose of reality...then go back to the good ol USA and see if they still have a mood to tear down statues and history and defund the only thin blue line keeping real americans from getting out their guns and killing all the anti-american punk idiots and the brainwashing college staff who created this disgusting blight on our nation. God help us all if trump does not win.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on August 16, 2020, 07:57:12 PM
Actually Trump inherited a great economy from Obama and he's been surfing along on its momentum and claiming credit for it.

As for his promises, has Mexico paid for the wall yet?

And if he did drain the swamp in Washington, he did so by appointing it to his administration.

Recent administrations with the MOST criminal indictments (Trump leads by far):

Trump (Republican) — 215

Nixon (Republican) — 76

Reagan (Republican) — 26

Recent administrations with the LEAST criminal indictments:

Obama (Democrat) — 0

Carter (Democrat) — 1

Clinton (Democrat) — 2


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on August 18, 2020, 05:17:06 AM
Trump Supporters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4b-dannQQ0Q


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Sweetums on August 18, 2020, 05:39:02 AM
Trump said we would win and win until we were tired of winning. Last week my state of Florida had the most new covid-19 cases ever, and growing. Damn it, he was right. I am tired of winning.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 18, 2020, 08:15:12 AM
Here is another John Kasich Speech for everyone to enjoy:

How John Kasich really feels about Joe Biden!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=_gU7Jgkgk54&feature=emb_logo


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on August 19, 2020, 06:45:00 AM
And to think he feels so much worse about Trump that he's endorsed Biden!


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 19, 2020, 11:06:06 AM
  When was John Kasich correct with a projection, endorsement for President? Wrong for past decade, longer perhaps.

Why not continue, I suppose...

And to think he feels so much worse about Trump that he's endorsed Biden!


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on August 20, 2020, 04:52:39 PM
Your team is not doing so well, Joan.

Your hero Steve Bannon was arrested for fraud.  Seems he used money collected for building a border wall to pay for lavish lifestyles,

And your other hero, Trump, was found to have comitted perjury according to a bipartisan Senate investigation. The same investigation also showed strong ties & coordination between the Russians and the 2016 Trump campaign.

Have fun trying to spin these things into a "win" for your cause.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 20, 2020, 06:50:25 PM
Thank you, Lois...

Heard both the issues noted on radio news this morning, and have yet to look into the details. Will find out what the details are over next few days, I expect.

Hope you are enjoying watching the Democrat National Convention this week.

Your team is not doing so well, Joan.

Your hero Steve Bannon was arrested for fraud.  Seems he used money collected for building a border wall to pay for lavish lifestyles,

And your other hero, Trump, was found to have comitted perjury according to a bipartisan Senate investigation. The same investigation also showed strong ties & coordination between the Russians and the 2016 Trump campaign.

Have fun trying to spin these things into a "win" for your cause.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on August 20, 2020, 10:11:42 PM

Thank you, Lois...

Heard both the issues noted on radio news this morning, and have yet to look into the details. Will find out what the details are over next few days, I expect.

Hope you are enjoying watching the Democrat National Convention this week.


Joan, there are two things I've wondered about based on words you've used several times in your recent posts:

Why do you spell Biden's first name JoE?

And that do you insist on using "Democrat" when "Democratic" is more appropriate?

Inquiring minds...





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 21, 2020, 03:00:37 AM
 " JoE " is one of Mr. Biden's Campaign Signs, and painted on the tail of his Campaign airplane, not that anyone gets to see much of the Biden Airplane, unless they happen to drive by the Wilmington, DE airport, lately.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on August 21, 2020, 12:28:32 PM
I believe MissB’s question was why do you do it?  As in what little synapse malfunction causes you to find that significant?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 21, 2020, 01:03:28 PM
I believe MissB’s question was why do you do it?  As in what little synapse malfunction causes you to find that significant?

Because the alt-right media told him to, and we know John is their slave.

(https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/idahostatejournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/32/b328f72b-a3d9-55ec-979a-b04e576cd62b/5f3bf9d643ae1.image.jpg?resize=400%2C400)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on August 21, 2020, 01:18:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/szcS6so.jpg)


(https://i.imgur.com/9UDlAph.png)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on August 24, 2020, 10:42:15 PM
President Trump Reveals Second Term Goals/Interests:

JOBS

* Create 10 Million New Jobs in 10 Months
* Create 1 Million New Small Businesses
* Cut Taxes to Boost Take-Home Pay and Keep Jobs in America
* Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs
* “Made in America” Tax Credits
* Expand Opportunity Zones
* Continue Deregulatory Agenda for Energy Independence


ERADICATE COVID-19

* Develop a Vaccine by The End Of 2020
* Return to Normal in 2021
* Make All Critical Medicines and Supplies for Healthcare Workers in The United States
* Refill Stockpiles and Prepare for Future Pandemics


END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA

* Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China
* Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China
* Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States
* No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China
* Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World


HEALTHCARE

* Cut Prescription Drug Prices
* Put Patients and Doctors Back in Charge of our Healthcare System
* Lower Healthcare Insurance Premiums
* End Surprise Billing
* Cover All Pre-Existing Conditions
* Protect Social Security and Medicare
* Protect Our Veterans and Provide World-Class Healthcare and Services


EDUCATION

* Provide School Choice to Every Child in America
* Teach 'American Exceptionalism'


DRAIN THE SWAMP

* Pass Congressional Term Limits
* End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses
* Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States
* Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens


DEFEND OUR POLICE


* Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers
* Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers
* Prosecute Drive-By Shootings as Acts of Domestic Terrorism
* Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice
* End Cashless Bail and Keep Dangerous Criminals Locked Up until Trial


END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS

* Block Illegal Immigrants from Becoming Eligible for Taxpayer-Funded Welfare, * Healthcare, and Free College Tuition
* Mandatory Deportation for Non-Citizen Gang Members
* Dismantle Human Trafficking Networks
* End Sanctuary Cities to Restore our Neighborhoods and Protect our Families
* Prohibit American Companies from Replacing United States Citizens with Lower-Cost Foreign Workers
* Require New Immigrants to Be Able to Support Themselves Financially


INNOVATE FOR THE FUTURE


* Launch Space Force, Establish Permanent Manned Presence on The Moon and * Send the First Manned Mission to Mars
* Build the World’s Greatest Infrastructure System
* Win the Race to 5G and Establish a National High-Speed Wireless Internet
Network
* Continue to Lead the World in Access to the Cleanest Drinking Water and
Cleanest Air
* Partner with Other Nations to Clean Up our Planet’s Oceans


AMERICA FIRST FOREIGN POLICY


* Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home
* Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share
* Maintain and Expand America’s Unrivaled Military Strength
* Wipe Out Global Terrorists Who Threaten to Harm Americans
* Build a Great Cybersecurity Defense System and Missile Defense System


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: purpleshoes on August 25, 2020, 01:02:10 PM
I don't see anything on that list that he has direct control to change.

Guess he forgot about fixing the crack in the Liberty Bell.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on August 25, 2020, 03:14:47 PM

I don't see anything on that list that he has direct control to change.

Guess he forgot about fixing the crack in the Liberty Bell.


Good point.

I noted that he wants to "Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home," but he also wants to "Maintain and Expand America’s Unrivaled Military Strength" and "Wipe Out Global Terrorists Who Threaten to Harm Americans."

You can't have it both ways.







Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 27, 2020, 01:20:24 AM
Lincoln Project Republican says polls undercount Trump support (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/513820-lincoln-project-republican-says-polls-undercount-trump-support)

Nobody wants to admit they support a racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic idiot.  But that describes a lot of Americans.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on August 27, 2020, 07:24:37 AM
Yep.  Another reason to make sure everyone votes in November.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on August 27, 2020, 02:44:49 PM
Yep.  Another reason to make sure everyone votes in November.

I agree. The percent of eligible voters who do vote is appalling. There really is no excuse not to vote.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 27, 2020, 03:11:59 PM
Yep.  Another reason to make sure everyone votes in November.

I agree. The percent of eligible voters who do vote is appalling. There really is no excuse not to vote.


In 2016, according to the popular vote-count provided by The New York Times, Donald Trump received 59,705,000 votes. At the time of the election, it is estimated there were 231,556,000 eligible voters. This means Trump won the electoral college with votes from approximately 26 percent of eligible voters. In other words, 74 percent of eligible voters did not vote for the winner.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on August 27, 2020, 03:34:05 PM
What bothers me is when those who don't vote turn around and complain about how things are going in this country.  Only when you do your part should you have an opinion


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on August 27, 2020, 05:28:55 PM

Yep.  Another reason to make sure everyone votes in November.


I agree. The percent of eligible voters who do vote is appalling. There really is no excuse not to vote.



In 2016, according to the popular vote-count provided by The New York Times, Donald Trump received 59,705,000 votes. At the time of the election, it is estimated there were 231,556,000 eligible voters. This means Trump won the electoral college with votes from approximately 26 percent of eligible voters. In other words, 74 percent of eligible voters did not vote for the winner.


The problem with analyzing percentages is they can bite you in the ass.

Those data also mean that almost 73% of Americans did not vote for Hillary Clinton.






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on August 27, 2020, 07:54:56 PM

The problem with analyzing percentages is they can bite you in the ass.

Those data also mean that almost 73% of Americans did not vote for Hillary Clinton.



Yep, that was my first thought.  But I kinda sorta avoid posting in this place.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on August 27, 2020, 08:46:19 PM


The problem with analyzing percentages is they can bite you in the ass.

Those data also mean that almost 73% of Americans did not vote for Hillary Clinton.




But Clinton didn’t win, despite having a majority of the votes cast, and Clinton isn’t running this time.  I assume that is why this thread is titled “Trump vs. Biden.”

The conclusion that can be drawn is that only 1 in 4 eligible voters cast a ballot for Trump in 2016.  Thus it is anyone’s game in 2020.  Turnout is of paramount importance.  That is why the Republican administration is kicking voter suppression and mail tampering into overdrive.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on September 08, 2020, 05:37:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1I7Hahr.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on September 08, 2020, 08:48:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/1I7Hahr.jpg)

Maybe Lavenia can proofread that.  My eyeballs hurt.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on September 08, 2020, 08:55:19 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/1I7Hahr.jpg)


Maybe Lavenia can proofread that.  My eyeballs hurt.


And my BRAIN hurts!

Besides, if your local Trader Joe's is out of dried mango [sic], just buy dried apricot. They're tastier, sweeter, and have many more health benefits than dried mangoes.






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on September 08, 2020, 09:06:19 PM
I shouldn't have been surprised, but still it gave me a bit of a jolt.
Was out in the hinterlands up north and part of Western Wisconsin.

Farming and dairy county with lots of jack pine savages. (Northern rednecks) Lots of Trump yard signs and only spotted one Biden sign.

I know the votes are in the metro areas and the Twin Cities are solidly liberal Democrats.

Still, being exposed to so much anti Trump sentiment in the media and on here I'd almost forgotten there are supporters on the other side.

So put down your dried mangoes and vote this year.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on September 08, 2020, 09:20:06 PM
Coming to HBO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-OA7H8DoJM

AVAILABLE WED, SEP 23 AT 6:00PM PT ON HBO AND HBO MAX


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: BBBBCLover707 on September 08, 2020, 10:20:21 PM
Oh god there's the corona virus it's the end of the world, lets stop everything & shut it all down now, no wait a second why does our country HAVE THE MOST DEATHS, WHEN WE SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN?   Uhh because everyone that has died this year has died from the corona virus and not from anything else, that's why idoit. Oh my god that's right and its just so bad that we see people all over dying from it or wait....!.
Ok now stop reacting to everything that the news is telling you and open your eye's, use your brain and don't be fooled like a sheep being loaded in a truck that's headed off to Disney land for a corona virus concert.

Wow people yes the virus is real, yes it kills people but so does just about everything else in the world and we aren't stopping the world for all of them.. They have you living in fear, that's what they want and if you all pass this "Simon Says Test" guess what's next?????

What are you really afraid of, cuz I'm sure that they are going to make sure that you hear its "seriously" happening and then whats next?

Pay attention People and don't fall for every trick in the book, is this the country that we decide how we want to live or the one where we are told?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: BBBBCLover707 on September 08, 2020, 10:27:24 PM
It basically comes down to this, who do you want running the Country (Dem's and the princess mermaid queen king?) or the (Rep. and the guy you all have loved to hate ?) who has done more for OUR MISSING KIDS IN THIS COUNTRY, then any other President .


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Athos_131 on September 08, 2020, 11:45:02 PM
(https://www.howtogeek.com/thumbcache/2/200/adec3eac582bebd79fcbcdb4fba86a2f/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/windows-8-blue-screen-header.png)

#BlackLivesMatter

#BanTheNaziFromKB


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on September 08, 2020, 11:49:00 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxnP2gCp/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: staci on September 09, 2020, 01:34:09 AM
sniff, sniff
 I swear we've met before.
 Automatic weapons?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on September 26, 2020, 02:54:17 PM
Since Biden now has said he will select a woman to run for vice-president with him if he is nominated, it will be interesting to see who they tell him he chose.

well since choosing the most qualified person for the job seems to be not important anymore...

he should choose a gay black transvestite woman who cross-dresses and was born in michigan (battleground state) but lives in florida (battleground state) and had some relative killed by a white person at some point in history. THAT should get him a few votes.

but i doubt biden could say all that even with it written on a card or teleprompter.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on September 27, 2020, 03:50:26 PM
It basically comes down to this, who do you want running the Country (Dem's and the princess mermaid queen king?) or the (Rep. and the guy you all have loved to hate ?) who has done more for OUR MISSING KIDS IN THIS COUNTRY, then any other President .


and don't forget he has done more for black peoples lives than any president in history also.
his record setting african american employment and opportunity zones changed my whole neighborhood.
I wish the media didn't hate him so much, we've had WAY worse presidents as far as personality goes.
Did this dip in employment from covid make everyone forget how we were BOOMING for 3 years after he got in there?
shit my whole family made more money during his first 3 years than we ever had in our lives.
It'll come back, just give him a chance to do it again.
like he said "what have you got to lose?" dems didnt do shit but 100 years of lip service.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on September 29, 2020, 04:23:58 PM
Someone is sure nervous about the debate tonight, but given the status of things in Trumpland I’m not surprised.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on September 30, 2020, 02:32:30 AM
Someone is sure nervous about the debate tonight, but given the status of things in Trumpland I’m not surprised.

LOL of course they are , have you seen biden try to string 3 words together that made sense?

i think it will be fun, i have popcorn ready and i may even drink a beer !


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on September 30, 2020, 03:15:21 AM
Someone is sure nervous about the debate tonight, but given the status of things in Trumpland I’m not surprised.

LOL of course they are , have you seen biden try to string 3 words together that made sense?

i think it will be fun, i have popcorn ready and i may even drink a beer !

UPDATE : what a waste of popcorn !
 :emot_pullhair:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on October 01, 2020, 05:30:42 PM
Trump was back in Minnesota yesterday, speaking in Duluth. Towards the end of his speech, he declared, "If I lose Minnesota, I'm never coming back."

No doubt Biden shot up even higher in the polls with that statement. :D


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on October 03, 2020, 01:39:40 AM
Trump was back in Minnesota yesterday, speaking in Duluth. Towards the end of his speech, he declared, "If I lose Minnesota, I'm never coming back."

No doubt Biden shot up even higher in the polls with that statement. :D

 :sign_whatever:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on October 07, 2020, 01:40:48 AM
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.thgmXz9MzbNk94Mp_jf8ogHaD4%26pid%3DApi&f=1)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on October 07, 2020, 01:52:24 AM
Don Jr. said he wants to stage an intervention for his dad, but Jared and Ivanka won’t agree to it.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on October 07, 2020, 02:13:06 AM
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.thgmXz9MzbNk94Mp_jf8ogHaD4%26pid%3DApi&f=1)


If you substitute Fox/right-wing media for Trump, I’d agree.

You have no clue whatsoever on what’s going on.  You live in a fictional universe.  Nothing you believe is actually true, and it doesn’t bother you.

(https://i.imgur.com/VOP8m1E.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on October 07, 2020, 02:32:39 AM
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.thgmXz9MzbNk94Mp_jf8ogHaD4%26pid%3DApi&f=1)


If you substitute Fox/right-wing media for Trump, I’d agree.

You have no clue whatsoever on what’s going on.  You live in a fictional universe.  Nothing you believe is actually true, and it doesn’t bother you.

(https://i.imgur.com/VOP8m1E.jpg)

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.OzcUMAIJY9jO5LXgscDdCAHaEK%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
You have no clue whatsoever on what’s going on.  You live in a fictional universe.  Nothing you believe is actually true, and it doesn’t bother you


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on October 08, 2020, 03:58:30 PM
Good news in the newspaper this morning. Trump is cancelling much of his planned advertising in Minnesota. He'd hoped to win the state this time, after coming close four years ago.

The polls show a different story this time around. Biden has a strong lead and it's growing. Trump has decided to drastically cut ads here and move the money to other states where he has a better chance.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 08, 2020, 09:19:09 PM
Fly on Mike Pence's head indicates who is full of shit during VP debate.  LOL!  :emot_kiss:

(https://images.thestar.com/U8yPElJ43azTDqCwEhnoX76dZhE=/1200x927/smart/filters:cb%281602126593620%29/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/world/2020/10/07/fly-lands-on-mike-pences-head-during-vice-presidential-debate-distracting-internet/pencefly3.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on October 08, 2020, 09:34:06 PM
I was too tired to stay up for it, but I know that’s all anyone wants to talk about.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on October 08, 2020, 10:00:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/XsCVp1U.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on October 08, 2020, 11:38:59 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMG-gF4p4jY 
A few more times our Presidents encountered various flies when being recorded, should anyone wish to Google or look at YouTube.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 09, 2020, 03:30:37 AM
LOL!  So much for the theory that political bull-shit draws flies.  If it did tRump would be covered with them.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on October 09, 2020, 01:03:13 PM
  New Gallup Poll results released, show 56% of Registered Voters in U.S. answer that they are better off today, than they were four years ago (2016, under Obama/Biden Administration).

  Gallup says this is the HIGHEST BETTER OFF TODAY rating, so close to an Election, since Gallup has taken such a Poll.

  The same question, asked in February 2020, drew 61% of Registered Voters positive result, of course impacted now by the pandemic, a loss of a few points. Still a very worthy result, highest ever in Gallup polling.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 09, 2020, 08:25:55 PM
And yet "It's the economy stupid" does not seem the primary factor for voters.  This time "It's the pandemic" seems to be the motivation behind voters.

And I would remind everyone that the economy works better under Democrats.  tRump inherited a great economy from Obama, and while it slowed a bit under tRump it was doing well until it was derailed by the pandemic.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/28/fact-check-do-gop-presidents-oversee-recessions-dems-recoveries/5235957002/

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2020/09/08/republicans-or-democrats-who-is-better-for-the-economy/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-economic-growth-is-slower-than-obamas-last-3-years/#61aadf374fed

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/#771bee743552







Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on October 16, 2020, 02:15:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JoDqJUosPc&pbjreload=101 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JoDqJUosPc&pbjreload=101)


after watching this does anyone want to change their vote?



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on October 16, 2020, 02:24:17 PM
lois really?-  Trump inherited a GREAT economy from Obama, and while it SLOWED a bit under Trump ?
LOL
excuse me but i had stocks when the 2016 election took place and after trump won everything took off !!
the market broke records repeatedly for 2 years..
unemployment was at a historic low for african americans and hispanics and we had so many jobs we didnt have enough people to fill them !

this may be the craziest thing you've said yet.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on October 16, 2020, 02:31:53 PM
Good news in the newspaper this morning. Trump is cancelling much of his planned advertising in Minnesota. He'd hoped to win the state this time, after coming close four years ago.

The polls show a different story this time around. Biden has a strong lead and it's growing. Trump has decided to drastically cut ads here and move the money to other states where he has a better chance.

and of course you believe in POLLS right?....hahahaa


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: staci on October 16, 2020, 04:14:17 PM
Spew all the hate and prejudice about the Dems that you want eater, but lay off the sarcasm to msslave.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on October 16, 2020, 04:37:09 PM
Thanks Staci. But... everyone is a target to a troll. :emot_laughing:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 16, 2020, 04:46:57 PM
lois really?-  Trump inherited a GREAT economy from Obama, and while it SLOWED a bit under Trump ?
LOL
excuse me but i had stocks when the 2016 election took place and after trump won everything took off !!
the market broke records repeatedly for 2 years..
unemployment was at a historic low for african americans and hispanics and we had so many jobs we didnt have enough people to fill them !

this may be the craziest thing you've said yet.

I am re-posting my sources. Did you bother with any of them?  And please don't confuse the stock market with the economy.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/28/fact-check-do-gop-presidents-oversee-recessions-dems-recoveries/5235957002/

https://blogs.cfainstitute.org/investor/2020/09/08/republicans-or-democrats-who-is-better-for-the-economy/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/05/trump-obama-economy/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/01/trumps-economic-growth-is-slower-than-obamas-last-3-years/#61aadf374fed

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/#771bee743552



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 16, 2020, 04:51:10 PM
However, if you must rely on the stock market as your leading indicator of economic health here you go:

(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5e5a22e0d378190007f4a1ff/960x0.jpg?fit=scale)

(https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/5e5a229f765d4500072d822e/960x0.jpg?fit=scale)


https://www.forbes.com/sites/chuckjones/2020/02/29/four-charts-comparing-trumps-vs-obamas-stock-market-returns/#48a154843552


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on October 16, 2020, 04:59:30 PM
Again people... trolls don't care about facts or sources. They just want a response.

Also, it's doubtful a Trump supporter cares about facts. How else could they support a total buffoon.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: galaxybounce on October 16, 2020, 05:05:38 PM
Again people... trolls don't care about facts or sources. They just want a response.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ohDB5gbtaEQ&app=desktop


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on October 17, 2020, 02:06:48 AM

Again people...these russian trolls don't care about facts or sources. They just want a response.

Also, it's obvious a biden supporter does not care about facts. How else could they support a total criminal buffoon.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 21, 2020, 08:24:11 PM
For Trump voters and those that are still undecided:

Trump is calling for the arrest and prosecution of his political opponents based on his "feelings" and without any kind of credible evidence of wrongdoing. This is the norm in places ruled by authoritarian strongmen like Russia, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and the Phillipines, not the USA!

The only thing restraining Trump is that here in the USA, is the so called "deep state" created by our Constitution, has created a nation framed by the rule of law.

Please think about this before you vote.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on October 27, 2020, 11:48:51 PM

Boston Herald Endorses Trump!

By BOSTON HERALD EDITORIAL STAFF |
PUBLISHED: October 27, 2020 at 5:14 a.m.

The 2020 presidential election is about what people don’t want as much as what they actually do want.

For the left, getting Donald Trump out of office tops the wish list. It’s been that way since the day after the 2016 election. For them, everything the president has done is bad, every move sinister, and every policy one more nail in the progressive coffin.

To be fair, Trump hasn’t done himself any favors with his incessant Tweets, revolving door cabinet and mixed messaging on the coronavirus.

Biden allegedly offers a return to “normalcy.” But, what’s normal in 2020?

Biden’s platform is a risky love letter to social justice warriors and those who believe capitalism is the root of all evil.

For starters, Biden wants to increase the corporate tax rate. The Hill cited an economic study by Kevin Hassett and Aparna Mathur which concluded that corporate tax hikes lead to a substantial decrease in wages and spending, and spurred businesses to move out of the country.

That’s not what we need, especially as a report by Yelp found that 60% of businesses around the U.S. that shut down due to the coronavirus will remain closed forever.

Biden has big plans for spending, some $5.4 trillion for universal pre-K, free community college, clean energy and other programs. The wealthy will foot the bill, thanks to eliminating the Republican tax cuts and making the rich “pay their fair share.”

But a look at data released by the Congressional Budget Office analyzing 2017 household income shows that the top 20% of households already pay 87.1% of federal income taxes and 69.2 % of all federal taxes; and the top 1% of households pay an average income tax rate of 24.4% while the middle 20% of households pays an average income tax rate of 3.3%.

Biden has also pledged to create “one million new, well paying jobs in the American automobile industry” — a neat trick following massive job cuts in recent years by auto manufacturers. Part of the reason for those cuts can be traced to a decline in global light vehicle sales, fueled by drops in demand in China and India. As the global economy has taken a wallop due to the coronavirus pandemic, one wonders how demand will shoot up to the point that job cuts can be reversed, and jobs added.

Most disconcerting is that Biden’s platform is a potluck of agendas pushed by far-left party members such as Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Sanders and Biden hashed out a Progressive Unity Platform this summer, and AOC joined other progressive lawmakers in telling Biden who he shouldn’t have in his Cabinet.

All this, of course, ignores the fact that pre-COVID-19, Donald Trump’s economy was going gangbusters. Last year, the jobless rate dropped to 3.5%, its lowest reading in 50 years. The jobless rate for Hispanics hit a record low of 3.9% in September 2019, while African Americans maintained their lowest rate ever, 5.5%, according to CNBC.

The Dow hovered around 19,000 when Trump was first elected — last year it hit above 26,000 — good news for everyone with a 401(k). Trump didn’t spend his way to a robust economy — he cut regulations and got tougher with trade negotiations.

He’s against defunding police, for holding China accountable for COVID-19 negligence and putting America first on trade, defense, the courts and, again, the economy.

He’s what America needs right now, decisive action to get us back to pre-pandemic strength — not an unfeasible spending spree in the name of a progressive utopia.

The Boston Herald endorses Donald Trump for president.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2020/10/27/the-herald-endorses-president-trump/


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 28, 2020, 04:27:35 PM
What a shocker!  An endorsement from a tabloid!  :emot_laughing:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on October 28, 2020, 05:13:02 PM

What a shocker!  An endorsement from a tabloid!  :emot_laughing:


Exactly. The Murdoch-owned New York Post also endorsed Trump:

http://nypost.com/2020/10/26/the-new-york-post-endorses-president-donald-j-trump-for-re-election/






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 29, 2020, 04:09:54 PM
Some Trump campaign workers set up a fireworks stand type booth selling campaign merchandise in an empty lot the minimum distance from an early voting site here in Tucson. They are from out of state and are selling MAGA hats and t-shirts. 

However, there have been complaints from neighbors as individuals from the booth have removed Biden/Harris signs from their front yards and tore them up to the cheers of other imported campaign workers.  Complaints were filed with the police and the Trumpers have been warned.  They would have been arrested if the neighbors had taken photos.  Sadly, most of the witnesses were elderly and don't usually think to pull out their cell phones and start filming the way younger folks do.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on October 29, 2020, 05:09:35 PM
  Lois, I agree with you, those 'hooigan' political sign stealers should be punished, along with all political sign stealers who enter on property not their own, to remove or distress signs posted by the property owner, for any election, ever.

  If the Warning was the extent that responding Police could deliver, then so be it, and just wanted to say we agree about "Sign Stealers", regardless of the election, or politicians involved.

  Finding a Trump Sign in the District Of Columbia is very rare, not only because DC will faithfully deliver it's total of 3 Electoral Votes, for the DEMOCRAT on the Ballot, dead or alive, lol... as DC has since gaining the vote in National Elections.

Even McGovern got our 3 Electoral votes when he ran.

Still, knowing those passing by my house, if not my neighbors, would find ways to deface, or remove any Trump sign, and perhaps deliver a additional defacing to my home, or car, or windows, there are no Trump Signs outside my home, or even in the windows.

Those days have long passed in my hometown, when one could show her support of any but a Democrat Politician expressed in Yard Signs, without expecting trespassing, violent treatment, by passers by... is it organized... IDK, just seems a pity, that it is "allowed", and "expected" in the Nation's Capital.

Will fly the American Flag above our Front Doorway on Election Day... and take our chances, I suppose.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on October 29, 2020, 06:01:22 PM
I visited my home town in a rural area last weekend.  Typically these last couple years when I go home I see numerous homes decorated with Trump banners, flags, etc., more decorated than anyone would do for Christmas actually.

I was pleasantly surprised to see about an equal amount of Biden/Harris signs this past weekend.  Of course it’s a simple and usually single sign rather than a grotesque gaudy display, but then we’re not in a cult.

A month ago I drove through rural Virginia and saw the same, nearly equal number of signs on properties Trump vs. Biden.

Trump is barely holding his own in the rural areas around here let alone making any inroads in suburban or urban areas.  That’s even with Trump appealing to suburban women by telling these women (who probably work unless unemployed due his botched pandemic response or are single), that "we're getting your husbands back to work."

That ought to get those women in his corner, patronize them?  What a dope.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on October 29, 2020, 06:38:15 PM
A month ago I drove through rural Virginia and saw the same, nearly equal number of signs on properties Trump vs. Biden.

I was in the upper portion of the lower peninsula of Michigan in mid September.    The yard signs ranked appx as follows:   Trump 34%, Biden 17%, "Deer Processing here" 49%

There are really only 3 counties that Biden will win in Michigan.  The people up north are not in that group.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 30, 2020, 02:32:47 AM
A Michigan judge struck down a ban on open carry of guns at polling places on Election Day.

"Judge Christopher Murray granted the pro-gun-rights groups who filed the lawsuit a preliminary injunction, effectively reversing Benson's October 16 order and eliminating a universal ban on the open carry of firearms at or within 100 feet of polling locations or absentee counting boards on Election Day."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/michigan-judge-strikes-down-ban-on-open-carry-of-guns-at-polling-places-on-election-day/ar-BB1arUd7

I sure hope the folks threatening violence at polling places on election day are all talk, because what could possibly go wrong?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on October 30, 2020, 02:55:35 AM

Trump 34%, Biden 17%, "Deer Processing here" 49%




Yep, that’s my home town.

And I process my own deer.  Which is easy if you’re not turning it all into Slim Jims and bologna.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on October 30, 2020, 04:27:12 PM
I am seeing all these polls showing Biden in the lead, but polls showed the same four years ago.  I cannot wait until this election is over.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on October 30, 2020, 04:44:46 PM
I think if they took a pill on it the majority wishes it was all over.

Sadly I fear it will end up in the courts for weeks. At least the horrid attack ads will be done.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: staci on October 30, 2020, 05:10:20 PM
The ads are terrible. Never knew there were so many evil people. One is a slumlord, another is a crook and another wants to curtail the use of your fridge.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on October 30, 2020, 06:05:30 PM
More people have already voted early in Texas than voted in the entire 2016 election. Texas also leads the nation in the youth vote 18 to 29-year-olds. There’s a massive struggle for the character of our country underway; however, I can’t help but be paranoid. We got burned in 2016. We got burned in 2000.  We’ll know the score by January 20, 2021, I predict.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on October 30, 2020, 06:18:18 PM
We’ll know the score by January 20, 2021, I predict.

Dan is in a pool with his former co-workers as to the date that one candidate or the other will concede to their opponent.     


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on October 30, 2020, 06:25:24 PM
We’ll know the score by January 20, 2021, I predict.

Dan is in a pool with his former co-workers as to the date that one candidate or the other will concede to their opponent.     

I don’t think Trump will ever concede.  He will exile to Elba, like Napoleon, still screaming that the election was fraudulent.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on October 30, 2020, 06:29:47 PM



I don’t think Trump will ever concede.  He will exile to Elba, like Napoleon, still screaming that the election was fraudulent.

I meant to add that one of the options was "Never"


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on October 30, 2020, 06:41:15 PM



I don’t think Trump will ever concede.  He will exile to Elba, like Napoleon, still screaming that the election was fraudulent.

I meant to add that one of the options was "Never"


‘People Are Going To Be Shocked’: Return of the ‘Shy’ Trump Voter?
(https://apple.news/AP2Td4JZIRgG88A2bQYL6Lg)

Still worried.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on October 30, 2020, 07:31:04 PM

I don’t think Trump will ever concede.  He will exile to Elba, like Napoleon, still screaming that the election was fraudulent.


I meant to add that one of the options was "Never"



‘People Are Going To Be Shocked’: Return of the ‘Shy’ Trump Voter?
(https://apple.news/AP2Td4JZIRgG88A2bQYL6Lg)

Still worried.


As am I.

Back in 2016, I heard someone refer to these people as "head-downers," but who, for varying reasons, kept their support of, and plan to vote for, Trump to themselves.









sorry, there was no edit, meant to click 'quote', and clicked 'modify' on accident.  Duh


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on October 30, 2020, 07:44:09 PM
  Many of us are forever hopeful, and see no alternative than Trump. How can Make America Great Again be controversial to any American?

  400 Miles of Southern Border Wall, and construction continues today.
Sanctuary cities are roundly disliked by the people of their States, of all parties, and shall remain near the top of the list to be addressed soon.

  Just a few days, now.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on October 30, 2020, 07:54:05 PM
I’ve done everything I can now.  So we will just wait and see.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on October 30, 2020, 08:02:59 PM

I don’t think Trump will ever concede.  He will exile to Elba, like Napoleon, still screaming that the election was fraudulent.


I meant to add that one of the options was "Never"



‘People Are Going To Be Shocked’: Return of the ‘Shy’ Trump Voter?
(https://apple.news/AP2Td4JZIRgG88A2bQYL6Lg)

Still worried.


As am I.

Back in 2016, I heard someone refer to these people as "head-downers," but who, for varying reasons, kept their support of, and plan to vote for, Trump to themselves.












In Michigan, Dan tells me there are Republican FB discussions that openly admit telling the pollsters they're voting blue.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on October 30, 2020, 11:23:07 PM


In Michigan, Dan tells me there are Republican FB discussions that openly admit telling the pollsters they're voting blue.


I think it would be the height or arrogance and naïveté to presume anything about how this is all going to end.  I have Dem friends who are absolutely giddy.  I predict we won’t know, until we know.  And that could take days, weeks, or even months.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on October 31, 2020, 12:25:23 AM

  400 Miles of Southern Border Wall, and construction continues today.


Before Trump took office, there were 650 miles of border protection.

Most of Trump's 400 miles of "construction" is fencing, not wall, and most of it replaced already existing fencing.

Oh, and the U.S.-Mexican border is 1,954 miles long.

But you're right: For 230 years, racist xenophobia has proven an effective way of winning votes...





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 02, 2020, 04:31:26 PM
Tomorrow I vote. Yes, I'm old and stick with tradition...voting on election day.

I've voted for so many candidates of my choice over the years. This year, I find myself voting against candidates. I will be voting against Trump. Given any other choice I can not see myself voting for Biden. So sad out of the numerous Democrats running, he ended up the winner.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on November 02, 2020, 04:47:18 PM
Why don't you like Biden?

The things I don't like about him he's appologized for.  I also think he's too old for the job, but so is Trump.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on November 02, 2020, 05:29:02 PM
Why don't you like Biden?

The things I don't like about him he's appologized for.  I also think he's too old for the job, but so is Trump.


I'm in the same boat as Msslave.  I am not a big fan of Biden because of his age and I think he has some age related problems going on.  In all honesty, I don't think Biden will serve out his 4 years if elected.
He's also contradicted himself numerous times on issues. I think he tells people what he thinks they want to hear.  He's not believable to me.
I liked Harris and Klobuchar earlier in the race for the nomination. I was starting to warm up to Pete Buttigieg when he dropped out.




Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 02, 2020, 06:55:15 PM
Well, one of the old candidates is decent, honest and caring.  And the other is the antithesis of that.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 02, 2020, 06:57:14 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/0do1kzi.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 02, 2020, 07:05:07 PM
  There is good reason not to want JoE as your President. As Lois said,
JoE has apologized for anything he was called out on by other Dems, during the Democrat Primary Debates especially.

  So, writing and pushing the 1994 Legislation, designed to lock up lots of Black Men and Teens who were selling cocaine on street corners in their neighborhoods... and getting LONG prison sentences when caught as compared to NO sentance, NO Jail Time at least, for White cocaine sellers of any age... most Whites were able to get off without JAIL, due to the way the 1994 Democrat Legislation was written, to punish Crack Cocaine sales and addicts with severe long sentences, so as to protect American cities then governed by Democrat Politicians.

  JoE made it a point to agree with near every crackpot idea of every one of the fellow Debaters, whether he did it ahead of the Debates, during the Debates, or after the Debates in the SPIN ROOMS, and to apologize for nearly everything other Democrats accused him about, in his 47 years of being an elected politician.

  He never admitted to the RAPE accusations, but that was a woman employee in his Senate Office, and hey... Men will be Men, right...?

JoE never quite admitted mauling and molesting, on camera, on stage, the Daughters of other dignitaries who were forced to pose with JoE, as he sniffed their hair, and rubbed against their backs, massaged the little girl's shoulders, while their mostly Democrat Donor Parents smiled for the photographers, alongside their distressed daughters, and JoE...

  JoE never admitted, in fact has been quoted saying Hunter never did anything wrong, and Demcrats discretely ducked any questions, turned them on the Reporters who dared to ask, with full Media support of the usual MSN 'suspects', while the FBI announced, confirmed, Hunter is being "Looked At", and his "Computers Seized" for an open Criminal Money Laundering Investigation...  No, JoE Biden is just gutting this one out, and only needs to keep the wolf from the door for one DAY now, after which it will not matter at all if Biden is elected.. and Biden can likely LOSE the election, and has Democrat Backing enough to just do as Democrats have done for the past 4 to 5 YEARS, blaming Trump for whatever difficulty Democrats are having... past and present.

  Nate Silver has given MSM Talking Heads some wiggle room, to say "the race is tightening" and "without PA, Biden is the Underdog" today, and some are openly trying to suppress live voting in general, in hopes to suppress some Republicans from going to the Polls tomorrow at all.

  Since the RACE here at KB has been tight, within any margin of error at least, and stands at 2 apart this afternoon... one of the two 'gap' is mine, as I Voted Here for "Other"... so one of the 'other' is a clear Trump Vote.. closer race here than I expected, I must say.

  Last Chance to view Live Trump Rallies is today:
https://www.conservativedailynews.com/tag/donald-trump-rallies/ 

There are FIVE Rallies scheduled for today, some already occurred, and next is at Scranton, PA, beginning at about 2:15 to 2:20 PM EST... and more Rallies to follow this evening, each in near must win States...

Enjoy.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 02, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
Why don't you like Biden?

The things I don't like about him he's appologized for.  I also think he's too old for the job, but so is Trump.
OK, first thing to understand about me is I'd been a Republican most of my life. I quit carrying water to the elephant when the religious right took over the party. I still voted Republican until 4 years ago, when I just refused to vote for either Trump or Clinton.

As for Biden, he just doesn't seem to be able to communicate with out a teleprompter. As I'm in the same age group as both candidates, I won't comment about that. OK, I'll admit I'm not as sharp as in my younger years...so that weighs against both Trump and Biden, just based on personal experience.

Looking at the choices of the last two elections, I'm in favor of bringing back the "smoke filled room" of political operatives picking the candidate.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 02, 2020, 07:24:49 PM
Well, one of the old candidates is decent, honest and caring.  And the other is the antithesis of that.


We’re not deciding if it’s wrong or right to put pineapple on pizza.  It’s a bit more serious than that.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 02, 2020, 08:16:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/c1ssX0H.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SE4pTem.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/493PbOe.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3W0NADc.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/NXhzwsG.jpg)

But other than that, he’s pretty much like any other President.

Trumpists are not good Americans.  They actually hate America, and are doing everything in their power to destroy equality, opportunity, and hope for the future.  It’s not a difference of opinion.  It’s a difference of morals, empathy, compassion, and knowing the difference between good and evil.

(https://i.imgur.com/QslNvyb.jpg)

Take down the dictator tomorrow.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 02, 2020, 09:48:07 PM
Well, one of the old candidates is decent, honest and caring.  And the other is the antithesis of that.


Put it this way, regardless of the outcome half the country will be grieving.  One candidate will reach out to the other side and try and console them, the other will spray lighter fluid and throw matches.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 02, 2020, 10:43:37 PM
A Vote for Donald Trump is a Vote for Indecency.

By Matt Turner
November 2, 2020


You are your vote.

You can try to rationalize your support for Donald Trump. But at the end of the day, a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for indecency.

It is a vote for cruelty; for denial of truth; for depraved indifference to human life; for racism, sexism, and nativism; for corruption of the highest order; and for the destruction of our republic in favor of an authoritarian and despotic state.

You can try to parse your personal values from those held by the person you entrust to the White House by saying every president is flawed but he gets things done.

But this is a lie upon a lie.

First, you are lying to yourself when you pretend that normal human failings are equivalent to the cruel, narcissistic sociopathy of Donald Trump. I do not need to recount his almost countless transgressions—you know them, even if you try to ignore them.

You would never tolerate such moral relativism and obfuscation of conscience in your children. Why do you tolerate those things within yourself?

Second, he does not get things done. By all useful measures, the country is worse off today than it was in 2016. What promises has Donald Trump kept? Where is the infrastructure spending? How high is the trade deficit? How high is the national debt? Where is the “perfect” replacement of Obamacare? Where is the wall? Where are the manufacturing jobs?

Meanwhile, the country burns with video-exposed injustice across the country, while a president fans the flames with overt racism and encouragement of right-wing extremism. Meanwhile, the country convulses from a willfully mismanaged pandemic, with perhaps more than 100,000 Americans dead because of Donald Trump’s depraved indifference and incompetence.

The country is burning, while Trump fiddles on the golf course and pockets profits along the way.

You do not get to disclaim the ugliness of Donald Trump. You cannot claim to hold values diametrically opposed to the man you would choose to run the country.

This is especially true when you have a reasonable choice. Maybe that wasn’t the case in 2016. Maybe then, you could plausibly hope that the carnival barker would grow into the job. But that was then. This is now. Virtually every fear associated with a Trump presidency has come true, and then some. Now, you know. You know.

You know, despite the reassurance you try to take from the entire GOP walking and squawking in lockstep with the president. After all (so you try to think), how bad could the “Ukraine thing” have been if not a single GOP rep would vote to impeach? You know, despite the constellation of “news” sources in the right-wing echo chamber constantly shilling for the president’s corrupt agenda. After all (so you rationalize), there’s always two sides to a story, right? We just have to agree to disagree.

Those supposed reassurances are a cruel mirage. You are capable of seeing that.

I wish you would. I wish you would get indignant about it. I wish you would see how you are being played for a chump by people and institutions you think are your allies. What did you gain from the Trump tax cuts? What will they cost your children? What did you gain from the trade war?

And that Hunter Biden laptop story? The Wall Street Journal wouldn’t touch it. It’s too stupid for even Fox News to carry it, aside from the non-news shills like Tucker Carlson, who now pretend that the absence of any evidence is proof that it has been destroyed. Yet despite the ridiculous nature of the story, the most corrupt man to ever hold the White House wants you to at least pretend that the corruption of Joe Biden is somehow a thing you should worry about.

Donald Trump’s corruption is spreading before our eyes. It took only a year or so to corrupt an entire major political party. And we see daily proof that our whole society is becoming coarser, weaker, and more dangerous—with racism becoming normalized and insurrection against sitting state governments encouraged rather than condemned.

Recently, an armed caravan of Trump supporters threatened a Biden campaign bus in Texas, recklessly harassing it and causing the campaign to call off an event for safety reasons. How did the president respond? By retweeting a video of the event captioned “I LOVE TEXAS!”

Trump has been encouraging this sort of fascist behavior since the beginning of his presidential run. In 2015, two Boston men, self-admittedly inspired by Trump, beat a Latino homeless man nearly to death with a pipe and urinated on him. Asked about the assault, Trump responded, “…I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again.”

What is different today? Only the scope and scale.

You are your vote.

No policy “wins,” even if they existed, are worth what we are losing.

Please think about what it means to support this man after all we have been through. Please think about the nature of the society we will leave to our children if he is given another term. Please think about what we have inherited, and what we are squandering.

We will be that generation that lost the republic.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 03, 2020, 03:16:53 AM
(https://i.giphy.com/media/xUOrwihszfWZgSIHJK/giphy.gif)

It’s all over now, but the waiting...


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on November 03, 2020, 04:16:13 AM
I think Biden speaks just fine without a teleprompter.  I've seen the pro-Trump adds and read the fact-checker reports.  The ads were manipulated and just plain false.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/24/politics/fact-check-biden-teleprompter-corden/index.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/11/fact-check-interview-biden-looked-video-feed-not-teleprompter/3633471001/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-teleprompter-interview/


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 03, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
https://www.elephantjournal.com/profile/matt-turner/

Matt Turner is a management consultant in Chicago, IL. He was a lifelong Republican until the results of the Iowa caucus in 2016. Matt will vote straight Democrat in November. 
----------------
He has 9 Followers, elephant journal... daily blog.

Self described 'Lifelong Republican' who loved Hillary, Harris/Biden...
----------------
A RINO, NEVER TRUMPER, wrong since IOWA 2016... so he says.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 03, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
https://www.elephantjournal.com/profile/matt-turner/

Matt Turner is a management consultant in Chicago, IL. He was a lifelong Republican until the results of the Iowa caucus in 2016. Matt will vote straight Democrat in November. 
----------------
He has 9 Followers, elephant journal... daily blog.

Self described 'Lifelong Republican' who loved Hillary, Harris/Biden...
----------------
A RINO, NEVER TRUMPER, wrong since IOWA 2016... so he says.

The story wasn’t about vote counts or prediction of a winner. It was about the moral vacuum that you live in John. I’m sure your soul is darker than Trump’s coal.  But hopefully we won’t have to listen to your parroting of alt-right propaganda much longer.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on November 04, 2020, 06:36:24 AM
i just wanted to say, jumping back and forth between cnn and fox ,for some reason cnn is showing a lot of states white (undecided) like fla. mich. wisc. texas...when fox has them red. but all bidens blue states are showing blue on fox, as if cnn is trying to delay saying it or...?

if i was watching cnn alone i would think biden was ahead quite a bit but if i was watching fox solely i would think its a dead heat.
also the bar graph on cnn for electoral votes reads trump at 136 and biden at 205 ,but the blue bar on the graph is way over twice the size of the red bar?  it would appear looking at just the graphics trump was around 100 and biden around 350...i'm no map maker math wiz but i could represent that more accurately freehand with a crayon.

dont have a theory on why this disparity or attribute any motive, just an observation.


i will say if it was me watching cnn alone and trump won i would be shocked and surprised at how he suddenly came from behind so magically fast !


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Johnny on November 04, 2020, 01:38:55 PM
Jesus. The US election is like voting for your favourite STD.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ChirpingGirl on November 04, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
Jesus. The US election is like voting for your favourite STD.



Yep.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on November 04, 2020, 02:27:20 PM

i just wanted to say, jumping back and forth between cnn and fox ,for some reason cnn is showing a lot of states white (undecided) like fla. mich. wisc. texas...when fox has them red. but all bidens blue states are showing blue on fox, as if cnn is trying to delay saying it or...?

if i was watching cnn alone i would think biden was ahead quite a bit but if i was watching fox solely i would think its a dead heat.
also the bar graph on cnn for electoral votes reads trump at 136 and biden at 205 ,but the blue bar on the graph is way over twice the size of the red bar?  it would appear looking at just the graphics trump was around 100 and biden around 350...i'm no map maker math wiz but i could represent that more accurately freehand with a crayon.

dont have a theory on why this disparity or attribute any motive, just an observation.

i will say if it was me watching cnn alone and trump won i would be shocked and surprised at how he suddenly came from behind so magically fast !


I noticed that, too.

I was mainly watching PBS, but I switched over to CNN, FOX, and NBC (for local results) from time to time, and the differences you note between CNN and the others was striking.

There was clearly an air of wishful thinking on CNN that wasn't present on PBS, NBC, or even FOX, and I'll admit that the coverage I saw on FOX seemed even-handed.

 





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on November 04, 2020, 03:33:05 PM
Jesus. The US election is like voting for your favourite STD.



More like voting against your least favorite  :facepalm:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 04, 2020, 04:19:12 PM
The country is split and likely to stay split for years to come. A look at the election map clearly shows its urban vs. rural.  There's no easy answer for bringing the country back together.  The only time that's happened in recent history was 9/11 when the Twin Towers were attacked. We damn well don't need that to happen.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 04, 2020, 07:24:40 PM
Lots of "counting" yet to be completed, and each various media site has its own design, its own method, for reporting what that site believes is the 'eventual' Winner, for President at least.

At the moment, more Votes have been made, counted even, than their are Registered Voters in the State of Wisconsin, so lots yet to be sorted and resolved, in many places.

This is not the "landslide" election we were told to expect, and legal representatives abound on ALL sides, as local and State ballots found to be "legitimate" are tallied, inspected, and perhaps more... pending the final count of all legally cast Ballots in each State, and in DC.

No real surprises so far, where clear WIN numbers are seen, with only a few twists and turns along the way, all yet to be confirmed, of course.

Overnight the "Black Lives Matter Plaza, Northwest" demonstrators in DC have been reported as "largely peaceful", with some arrests...

  Dancing, 'GoGo' Music, illegal fireworks, crowds watching two Jumbo-Trons until the 'wee' hours this Morning, and their permits are for the entire week, for those who have such permits to demonstrate, so time will tell.

(BLM Plaza, NW) is a two block long section of 16th Street NW which ends at Laffayette Square, a Federal Park across from the White House, in Washington, DC.

Your White House is protected by non-scalable fencing, installed Sunday and Monday in anticipation of any unwarranted activity following the Election, and the DC National Guard has NOT been activated, no Curfew has been declared for Washington, DC, all hopeful here at the moment.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 04, 2020, 08:05:18 PM


At the moment, more Votes have been made, counted even, than their are Registered Voters in the State of Wisconsin, so lots yet to be sorted and resolved, in many places.


Politifact rates the claim that Wisconsin had more votes than registered voters Pants on Fire! (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/nov/04/tweets/no-wisconsin-doesnt-have-more-ballots-cast-registe/)

Facebook has banned this tweet for spreading misinformation John, why do you think you should post it here?  Are we stupid in your opinion?



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on November 04, 2020, 09:47:04 PM


At the moment, more Votes have been made, counted even, than their are Registered Voters in the State of Wisconsin, so lots yet to be sorted and resolved, in many places.


Yes, that assertion is currently flying all over the Interweb, and there's one tiny problem with it: The 3,129,000 figure is from November 2016, and not November 2020.

It reminds me of an article I read several years ago. A Holocaust denier had taken a copy of "The World Almanac" for 1940, and noted the total number of Jews living in Europe. He then compared it with "The World Almanac" for 1945, noted the number was the same as in 1940, and used that as "proof" that the Holocaust never happened. The author of the article pointed out that the 1945 World Almanac was printed in the fall of 1944, and if you check the 1947 World Almanac, printed in the fall of 1946, the number of Jews living in Europe had dropped by about 5 million.





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 04, 2020, 10:11:06 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b1Xtdv4.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 04, 2020, 10:46:30 PM
Trump’s tweet that he would have the SCOTUS order a stop to “the voting,” seems to indicate a disconnect between voting, and COUNTING votes.  No one is voting today.  We are counting votes.

He also misspelt polls as “Poles.”  Apparently Polish people are not reliable.

(https://i.imgur.com/1FBiYcc.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: galaxybounce on November 05, 2020, 01:41:02 AM
Why don't you like Biden?

I was going to comment my thoughts when this was posted but decided against replying until the polls had been closed. To me, Biden clearly demonstrates a clear lack of ambition in the Democratic party. He was chosen because his name is recognisable, he knows how to smile for the cameras and the Democratic party were terrified of so much as gently rocking the boat. He was a good choice for VP in 2008 as a way of calming the fears of old white guys at the prospect of a younger, black president, but an embarrassing choice for president in 2020, for appealing primarily to the same demographic. The objective was a myopic attempt to just win this election with no thought given to the long term prospects of the party or the country.

The Trump administration and the Republican party in general are obviously an even bigger embarrassment at the moment. They rely on the stupidity of their supporter base to be fooled by their lies and impressed by their childish bravado and they rely on the polarisation of the two party system to get them over the line. They have no respect for the American public, much less people outside America and I dislike the choice of Biden as presidential candidate because it reveals that the Democratic party don't have much more respect for the American public either. They believe you are too stupid and afraid to choose a candidate with ideas that challenge the status quo, despite the fact that that's exactly what you did twelve years ago. Worse, they plan to rely on that stupidity just as much as their rivals.

I honestly don't know how you can tolerate the two party system. A tiny minority of Americans are adequately represented by either candidate in this election and yet one of them will be your president, by an incredibly slim margin.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 05, 2020, 01:35:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/pXxJLpZ.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: purpleshoes on November 05, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/bJnGy3bg/election2020.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 05, 2020, 01:56:56 PM
Depending upon which media site you may believe, seems our KB Poll was just about correct, close until the lawsuits are resolved, and expect more lawsuits are likely...

States have until November 30, 2020, most if not all, to Certify results, and some could take at least that long.

Here's a question to chew on, for whoever may Win, or whoever may Lose the 2020 Contest... Who will Democrats, and/or Republicans, look to for the 2024 Election?

Names, please, if you have your favorites already...


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on November 05, 2020, 03:30:55 PM

Here's a question to chew on, for whoever may Win, or whoever may Lose the 2020 Contest... Who will Democrats, and/or Republicans, look to for the 2024 Election?

Names, please, if you have your favorites already...


President Harris, running for re-election.






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 05, 2020, 03:55:37 PM
Why don't you like Biden?


I honestly don't know how you can tolerate the two party system. A tiny minority of Americans are adequately represented by either candidate in this election and yet one of them will be your president, by an incredibly slim margin.
Thanks for your opinion from across the pond GB. You're right, our system has flaws. We've had less than 250 years to refine it.
 What are your thoughts. Do we need a Monarchy? Or, two houses, one for commoners and one for Lord's of the land? Oh wait...we don't have nobility over here, where you're born to position, not elected.

Someone (Mark Twain?) once said that we had the worse form of government... except for all the others.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on November 05, 2020, 04:20:11 PM

I was going to comment my thoughts when this was posted but decided against replying until the polls had been closed. To me, Biden clearly demonstrates a clear lack of ambition in the Democratic party. He was chosen because his name is recognisable, he knows how to smile for the cameras and the Democratic party were terrified of so much as gently rocking the boat. He was a good choice for VP in 2008 as a way of calming the fears of old white guys at the prospect of a younger, black president, but an embarrassing choice for president in 2020, for appealing primarily to the same demographic. The objective was a myopic attempt to just win this election with no thought given to the long term prospects of the party or the country.

The Trump administration and the Republican party in general are obviously an even bigger embarrassment at the moment. They rely on the stupidity of their supporter base to be fooled by their lies and impressed by their childish bravado and they rely on the polarisation of the two party system to get them over the line. They have no respect for the American public, much less people outside America and I dislike the choice of Biden as presidential candidate because it reveals that the Democratic party don't have much more respect for the American public either. They believe you are too stupid and afraid to choose a candidate with ideas that challenge the status quo, despite the fact that that's exactly what you did twelve years ago. Worse, they plan to rely on that stupidity just as much as their rivals.

I honestly don't know how you can tolerate the two party system. A tiny minority of Americans are adequately represented by either candidate in this election and yet one of them will be your president, by an incredibly slim margin.


I generally agree, but only up to a point.

On the American political spectrum, there's not a whole lot of difference between Trump and Biden. They're each only an inch or two to the right and left of center, and if you take away push-button social issues -- which the president, as president, doesn't really affect either way -- there's a long list of basic agreement between the two.

Both candidates are old white guys (they have a combined age of 151!), and Biden was chosen because he's safe. All of the edges have been sanded away, and even the "controversies" surrounding him -- Tara Reade! Hunter's laptop! Neil Kinnock! He once said one positive thing about Robert Byrd! -- had zero traction. Even with Harris as his VP candidate, there's nothing to get excited about, and nothing that resonates strongly enough to provoke a significant uptick in voter turnout. His safeness, deemed by the party as an asset, is, in fact, a liability. I watched both presidential debates in their entirety, and I'd describe Biden's performance in the first debate as slightly better than pathetic, and in the second debate as only slightly better than slightly better than pathetic.

However, you -- like many other observers -- continue to mischaracterize Trump voters, to his and his party's benefit. I know at least 20 people who voted for Trump, and none of them are stupid, hoodwinked lemmings, none are right-wing Evangelical Christians, and none are racist, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, evolution-denying, Neo-Nazi white supremacists. The steady drumbeat of name-calling from the left only served to push people into Trump's corner in 2016, and potentially again in 2020.

You're right that the initial Democratic candidates represented a wide range of demographics and political positions (at least relatively), and yet, when the dust settled, we were left with boring old white guy. And it's hard for a boring old white guy to generate excitement among a mass of potential voters most of whom are not boring, old, or white. The makeup of the Democratic voter base has been steadily changing, yet the makeup of the Democratic candidates have not.




Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: galaxybounce on November 05, 2020, 05:18:58 PM
Thanks for your opinion from across the pond GB. You're right, our system has flaws. We've had less than 250 years to refine it.
 What are your thoughts. Do we need a Monarchy? Or, two houses, one for commoners and one for Lord's of the land? Oh wait...we don't have nobility over here, where you're born to position, not elected.

Someone (Mark Twain?) once said that we had the worse form of government... except for all the others.

Our system here in Ireland is much younger. Depending what you count, it's at most just over a centuty old. It's also certainly a flawed system, but I think it's mostly successful in terms of ensuring something close to proportional representation. Our Dáil (parliament) has 160 members, currently composed of members of nine distinct political parties and some independents. The government is a majority coalition. They pay themselves well, but they are mostly former teachers, lawyers, and other middle class professionals. We also have a Seanad (senate) which is composed of members chosen by the Taoiseach (prime minister), academic institutions and expert panels. The Seanad has less power than the Dáil and our president has less power than either. The presidency is largely a diplomatic role. Our Taoiseach is generally the leader of the largest party in government, and the leaders of parties are generally the member who received the most enthusiastic vote in the election (though this is a rule of thumb rather than a rule).

This makes our government highly answerable to each other, to the opposition and to the public. This is of course both good and bad. Good in that we are mostly safe from populist demagogues and bad in that change can be glacially slow. I'm sure if I took the time to examine the many systems in place across the world I would find several that I prefer, but of the few I am reasonably familiar with I think the Irish system compares well.

Nobility and Ireland haven't historically been very kind to one another. We don't have any nobility here, unless of course you count the kind like those who were self-made with a small loan of €1M from their parents.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: galaxybounce on November 05, 2020, 05:28:35 PM

However, you -- like many other observers -- continue to mischaracterize Trump voters, to his and his party's benefit. I know at least 20 people who voted for Trump, and none of them are stupid, hoodwinked lemmings, none are right-wing Evangelical Christians, and none are racist, xenophobic, homophobic, anti-Semitic, evolution-denying, Neo-Nazi white supremacists. The steady drumbeat of name-calling from the left only served to push people into Trump's corner in 2016, and potentially again in 2020.


What I said was "They rely on the stupidity of their supporter base to be fooled by their lies and impressed by their childish bravado and they rely on the polarisation of the two party system to get them over the line." I would estimate Trump's base is maybe 20% of the voting public, at my most generous. It's probably significantly less than that. I'm not lumping in the reluctant Trump vote or even the anyone-but-Democrat vote with the stupid Trump acolytes.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 05, 2020, 06:33:37 PM
  Wow, Wisconsin has lots of Election Spirit, eh?

  89% Voter Turnout? What?

  Am certain the lawyers will sort it all out, so every legal vote gets counted in the RECOUNT process... We shall see the final numbers sometime this Month, seems...

  AlGore stretched the "Count" all the way to December 13th, taking the case to the U.S. Supreme Court, with the MEDIA Cheering his Party ON!

  It will all work out.  Trump's Transition does not require a large team...

  No need for unnecessary hurry up decision making... It't all good...


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on November 05, 2020, 06:58:21 PM
Wisconsin election officials say "bring on the recount"  confident in our process and results will be the same.

On the CBS "Late Show," host Stephen Colbert pointed out that the state is now full of "Blue Cheeseheads."

"So they smell weird, but they taste great..."

I'll stop it there because it is funnier and more KBish.



Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ChirpingGirl on November 05, 2020, 07:08:21 PM
I don't even care who the President is anymore, just quit fucking around, dragging their fucking feet and get it over with.  :roll:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on November 05, 2020, 08:05:44 PM

  Wow, Wisconsin has lots of Election Spirit, eh?

  89% Voter Turnout? What?


As above, I'd like to see your math.

As of this morning, there were 3,240,329 ballots cast in the election. According to the Wisconsin state electoral commission, there were 3,684,726 active registered voters in its lists.

You're right: That means that 89% of active registered voters cast votes in the election. And that defies belief.

Except -- again, as above -- you forgot one tiny detail. That figure of 3,684,726 registered voters was as of 11/1/20, and Wisconsin is one of 18 states that allows voters to register on Election Day at their polling place, and the total does not include any of those people.

More to the point, the phrase "voter turnout" is almost exclusively used in reference to the number of eligible voters who voted, and not the number of registered voters who voted. That's true in the analysis of every election. According to state estimates, Wisconsin currently has 4,536,293 eligible voters. While the total number of votes cast is still fluid at this moment, that means that the voter turnout will end up around 68%.

Keep trying...






Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 06, 2020, 12:46:47 PM
Why don't you like Biden?


I honestly don't know how you can tolerate the two party system. A tiny minority of Americans are adequately represented by either candidate in this election and yet one of them will be your president, by an incredibly slim margin.
Thanks for your opinion from across the pond GB. You're right, our system has flaws. We've had less than 250 years to refine it.
 What are your thoughts. Do we need a Monarchy? Or, two houses, one for commoners and one for Lord's of the land? Oh wait...we don't have nobility over here, where you're born to position, not elected.

Someone (Mark Twain?) once said that we had the worse form of government... except for all the others.

Happy to send you a monarch if you need one.  How do you feel about Queen Meghan; or even King Andrew  ;D

I had always thought it was Churchill that said "democracy is the least worst form of government", but stand to be corrected.

MissB, I would be delighted to know what the Biden-Kinnock (aka the Welsh Windbag) controversy was?





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 06, 2020, 02:52:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/s8m65g0.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 06, 2020, 03:23:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EtJN4GB.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 06, 2020, 05:04:46 PM
And the count goes on. It's good to see Biden already acting Presidential and urging patience. Trump continues to be Trump.

Georgia has already announced they will be doing a recount. No doubt several other states also will be recounting.

Be nice to have an answer by Thanksgiving. That would be just one more thing to be thankful for.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 07, 2020, 01:11:41 AM
Really realizing at this point what a good thing it is that voting is handled at the state level with highly varying and sometimes complex rules, yet all of it is done with such harmonized transparency; poll watchers from each side and such.  It prevents any despot from having a unified strategy to subvert it all.

The orange clown and his clown car of lawyers are out matched.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: purpleshoes on November 07, 2020, 01:40:20 PM
Aren't you supposed to call your doctor if you have an election that last for more than four days?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 07, 2020, 02:52:51 PM
 :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:
Aren't you supposed to call your doctor if you have an election that last for more than four days?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ObiDongKenobi on November 07, 2020, 03:29:59 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QaKs1BY.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 07, 2020, 05:52:33 PM
They called Pennsylvania for Biden, and AP has called the election. Stay tuned for details.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MissBarbara on November 07, 2020, 06:02:08 PM

They called Pennsylvania for Biden, and AP has called the election. Stay tuned for details.


I was out and about running some errands and about 15 minutes ago, I suddenly heard cars honking their horns and people yelling from windows, and I saw lots of hugging.

Who needs the AP?





Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 07, 2020, 06:11:23 PM

They called Pennsylvania for Biden, and AP has called the election. Stay tuned for details.


I was out and about running some errands and about 15 minutes ago, I suddenly heard cars honking their horns and people yelling from windows, and I saw lots of hugging.

Who needs the AP?





Those of us in small town Texas, who are drinking coffee in bed watching Longhorn football.  (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/products/Tears_Emoji_Icon_2_70x70.png?v=1485573515)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 07, 2020, 06:17:13 PM
I was on Zoom, with our photo club, when I saw the news on TV.

I was able to inform rest of the group between bird pictures.

So looking forward to a change in how the White House is run. Still a lot of vitriol and lies expected the next few weeks. I just hope he doesn't damage the country too much more.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on November 07, 2020, 06:31:25 PM
If the Republicans remain in control of the Senate, the change will be that Biden will try to mend four years of Trump dismantling agreements with out allies. More moderate forms of legislation could pass. The big test now is in Georgia where the two Senate seats will be contested in a runoff election.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: watcher1 on November 07, 2020, 06:42:55 PM
Those of us in small town Texas, who are drinking coffee in bed watching Longhorn football.  (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1061/1924/products/Tears_Emoji_Icon_2_70x70.png?v=1485573515)

Or watching the Dallas Cowboys... ;D ;D


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on November 07, 2020, 07:01:52 PM



Who needs the AP?



I went into the breakroom, took out my phone, and found out here.  Half a minute later the texts started rolling in.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 07, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
If the Republicans remain in control of the Senate, the change will be that Biden will try to mend four years of Trump dismantling agreements with out allies. More moderate forms of legislation could pass. The big test now is in Georgia where the two Senate seats will be contested in a runoff election.

I’m thinking about sending a text to my ultra conservative uncle in Georgia that just says ‘Vote Warnock and Ossoff in Jan since you live in a blue state now.’

He’s the one that told me about 10 years ago Obama was going to turn all the cities into concentration camps, force all Americans into the camps and give the rest of the country to the UN.  He says such things with a serious straight face.  Now Biden can finally carry out that nefarious plan.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 07, 2020, 07:09:59 PM
Btw, congratulations President Elect Biden!


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on November 08, 2020, 12:54:21 AM
It’s been so uplifting to watch people dancing in the streets over the results of our election.  People I’ve spoken to really believe they’ve reclaimed their government through the electoral process.  And it’s been great to know we’ve had a historic voter turnout.  I was really worried no one gave a shit anymore.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 08, 2020, 01:39:23 AM
A friend told me her windows were open (in 70s again) and she heard a scream of joy. Soon others on her block were cheering and people honking horns. She joined in, then asked what was going on. :roll:

On hearing the reason for the celebration, she joined in with even more fervor. A neighbor broke out champagne!


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: purpleshoes on November 08, 2020, 02:16:12 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/gJBpR9hd/countingvotes2020.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 08, 2020, 02:31:38 PM
That's really funny Purple. :emot_laughing: :emot_laughing:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on November 08, 2020, 03:07:20 PM
I read a post on Faceboook that captures my feelings on the subject.  It went that she had no idea how stressful living under Trump was, and now it's like a cloud has lifted and she feels free of the worry of his latest tweets and other foolishness.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 08, 2020, 03:23:06 PM
So true Lois. Seeing the celebration in the streets all over the country was heartening. I don't remember that ever happening before. Maybe the days of waiting added to the relief of finally getting a decision.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: jbbooks on November 08, 2020, 03:42:12 PM
As Merle asked in one on his famous songs "Are we rolling down hill like a snowball headed for hell" ?......With the election over, I think we are only now the tracked are greased up.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on November 10, 2020, 03:54:23 PM
So true Lois. Seeing the celebration in the streets all over the country was heartening. I don't remember that ever happening before. Maybe the days of waiting added to the relief of finally getting a decision.

After four years of outrageous Trumb behavior, an impeachment, and countless scandals, I think the celebrations are an outpouring of relief that it's finally over.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 10, 2020, 04:03:25 PM
Finally over? No, the outrageous antics continue. Denying President elect Biden access to transition funding and office space. Factless charges of voter fraud. Firing a top defense official when our enemies are looking for weaknesses during our change in leadership. Add to this top Republicans supporting this total fool.

Yes, it will be over...but how much more damage will Trump do until then.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: staci on November 10, 2020, 05:06:00 PM
More firings will come. Then come the Executive Orders, then come the pardons with statements to stir up the base. The denial of cooperation will be paramount when it comes to exchange of secrets and troop movements. Tragic and petty


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on November 10, 2020, 05:28:17 PM
the pardons


I mentioned this last night to Dan.  I'm interested to see who gets pardons in the coming months.

All eyes in Michigan are on Kwame Kilpatrick, former mayor.  This man does not deserve to be pardoned.  Imprisoned in 2013, a 7 year sentence is too short of a term to serve.  Maybe at the end of Biden's presidential term.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 10, 2020, 05:53:10 PM
  What did Kwame do?  New name to me...

the pardons


I mentioned this last night to Dan.  I'm interested to see who gets pardons in the coming months.

All eyes in Michigan are on Kwame Kilpatrick, former mayor.  This man does not deserve to be pardoned.  Imprisoned in 2013, a 7 year sentence is too short of a term to serve.  Maybe at the end of Biden's presidential term.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: MintJulie on November 10, 2020, 07:40:26 PM
 What did Kwame do?  New name to me...


Kwame Kilpatrick became mayor of Detroit in 2001 at the age of 31, fresh from the Michigan House of Representative.  From that point on it was a Detroit soap opera until he resigned in 2013 (appx).   He was convicted on 24 federal felony counts, including mail fraud, wire fraud, and racketeering.  And was to serve 28 years.

One of the biggest stories other than his conviction took place early in his first term of serving as mayor.  The mayor of Detroit gets to live in a city owned home called the Manoogian Mansion.  The parties that Mayor Kilpatrick had there were legendary.  During one of those parties his wife came home from an out of town visit and got into an altercation with one of the strippers.   A few months later the stripper ended up dead.  The investigating officers of the homicide were fired.  The investigators were pretty sure it was a hit by someone in Detroit law enforcement.
 You can read more detail about it here. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick#The_murder_of_Tamara_Greene)

In 2008, I was watching the "State of the City" address when he went after the media big time.  After that, he was uninvited to a number of Obama campaign events, and the conference of mayors was moved out of Detroit.

Oh, and he had an affair with his chief of staff and all the text messages were printed in the paper because of FOI act.  S-T-E-A-M-Y

There's just so much. Read the whole wikipedia page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Kilpatrick)

The guy was a total ass.




Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Lois on November 11, 2020, 01:49:26 AM
Just having Obama disinviting him to campaign events might be enough for Trump to pardon him, because Trump is just thst petty.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 11, 2020, 01:57:31 AM
  Thank you, MJ - I read supposedly his Sister says Kwame will receive a Covid related "grant", for release sometime this month...

  Maybe I am missing something. For what Federal Sentence/Crime would Kwame receive any Presidential Pardon, as you have suggested?

  Seems all the debauchery and theft is just the usual Detroit, MI stuff for which local Democrats, and State Democrats of MI, are infamous.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on November 11, 2020, 02:35:52 AM

Seems all the debauchery and theft is just the usual Detroit, MI stuff for which local Democrats, and State Democrats of MI, are infamous.

Because Republicans are squeaky clean with perfect morals

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xq3cXQhZ/180112185625-stormy-daniels-trump-large-169.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 11, 2020, 03:29:48 AM
  Is not a zero sum thing, all Parties have had some embarassing members.

  Still trying to figure out why anyone thinks Trump would Pardon this guy. Imagine Kwame never supported anything Trump supports, and never will... or am I missing something.

  How is Detroit doing, since ridding itself of Kwame? Imagine proserity abounds, happy citizens and other various residents, whoever they may be..

  Excellent public schools, with high graduation rates, college admission is now routine for most graduates? High Real Estate values, which give off suitable property tax benefits for running the city services?

  If not, what do the Citizens of Detroit, MI plan for their future?


Seems all the debauchery and theft is just the usual Detroit, MI stuff for which local Democrats, and State Democrats of MI, are infamous.

Because Republicans are squeaky clean with perfect morals

(https://i.postimg.cc/Xq3cXQhZ/180112185625-stormy-daniels-trump-large-169.jpg)


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: joan1984 on November 11, 2020, 03:31:22 AM
  Fun to see late voters "count" at KB... real life intervenes, eh?


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on November 11, 2020, 03:41:48 AM
 Fun to see late voters "count" at KB... real life intervenes, eh?

An ballet posted dated on the 3rd or before is a legit, legal and valid ballot.  Thousands of americans overseas, or working abroad cast absentee ballots every election, and they are ALL counted as long as they are post dated.  They usually never have to be because one politician has the decency to concede.

The ONLY reason that these ballots are all of a sudden "late" or "illegal" is because trumpster had a hissy fit, and his cult echoed his rant.

Hes just pissy because now his taxes will have to go back up and he'll have to evade them again so he can afford to pull himself out of debt... unless he plans on selling all of his helicopters


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 11, 2020, 03:43:33 AM
 Fun to see late voters "count" at KB... real life intervenes, eh?


Sorry I haven’t been around much, damn hand is tired. Before I like most Democrats would exit the polling station and go right back in voting about 10 times.  But these mail in ballots are great!  I not only voted about 50 times in my home state, I mailed in a 100 ballots to Pennsylvania, 50 to Georgia, 50 to Nevada and 500 to Arizona.  Now I got writer’s cramp.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Shiela_M on November 11, 2020, 03:47:36 AM
 Fun to see late voters "count" at KB... real life intervenes, eh?


Sorry I haven’t been around much, damn hand is tired. Before I like most Democrats would exit the polling station and go right back in voting about 10 times.  But these mail in ballots are great!  I not only voted about 50 times in my home state, I mailed in a 100 ballots to Pennsylvania, 50 to Georgia, 50 to Nevada and 500 to Arizona.  Now I got writer’s cramp.

Lol, I followed Trumpster's lead and tried to vote in Florida  :emot_laughing:


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 11, 2020, 04:02:12 AM
Yeah, should’ve hit Florida too, and Iowa and North Carolina.  Maybe next year.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: eater on November 11, 2020, 04:06:23 AM
looks like china won by a hair, god help us all.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: galaxybounce on November 11, 2020, 12:27:10 PM
Hes just pissy because now his taxes will have to go back up and he'll have to evade them again so he can afford to pull himself out of debt... unless he plans on selling all of his helicopters

I've heard theorising that he is genuinely so averse to losing that he actually can't accept the election result, but I'm not inclined to believe that, not least because he's had plenty of practice with losing throughout his life. I think it's all smoke and mirrors to keep his supporters riled up and on-side. Whether or not he had actually wanted to become president in 2016, I think he will be very comfortable monetising his support from the sidelines in the next four years. Maybe he intends to run again in 2024, maybe not. He'll only be slightly older than Biden is now, after all.

What worries me more is the idea that the Republican party might find a way to package the ideas Trump has been promoting in a more sophisticated package between now and then.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: Jed_ on November 11, 2020, 03:15:12 PM
He doesn’t have a plan.  He’s never had a plan.  It’s all an instinct to cause chaos, because paradoxically chaos has worked for him.

At some level he knows he’s going to fail here, but his instincts tell him to lie as always and throw lawyers at the problem because he’s worn people down doing that.  But this isn’t a contractor he’s trying to stiff on a bill, it’s the Presidency of the United States.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: msslave on November 11, 2020, 03:47:30 PM
I applaud President Elect Biden for not feeding into trump's B.S.
It's like dealing with a troll on the internet. If you just ignore 'em, they'll go away.

Let's ignore the orange troll in the White House. He'll be gone soon.


Title: Re: Trump v. Biden - quick poll
Post by: ToeinH2O on November 11, 2020, 05:15:28 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Ibk0ZSa.jpg)