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1408 => Politics => Topic started by: msslave on January 06, 2021, 10:08:46 PM
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The MAGA asshats are commiting insurrection. This is not a protest or "free speech". This is a disruption of the democratic transfer of power that's been a hallmark of this country for over 220 years.
This riot and takeover of our Capital building lands square on the head of the criminal Donald Trump. He's the one who called on "his people" to flock to Washington today. He's the one who sits in the White House and not lift a tweeting finger to call off his mad dog supporters.
We can not put up with two more weeks of this clown. He should be removed and Pence fill out these last days.
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When misinformed people elect a narcissist, bully and I am guessing a fraud, this is what happens. A dark mark on our country, for sure.
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This is heartbreaking :'(
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This is heartbreaking :'(
I know my dear. I couldn’t continue working around 3 today. I was too upset.
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President Biden made a very presidential speech today, condemning the anarchy on Capital Hill. He called on our Clown in Chief to go on TV and tell his supporters to leave and go home. He was very presidential in his address. We elected the right person.
Asshat Trump taped a message. He still maintained the election was stolen and he won, but hey my people go home. WOW...what a dynamic leader we don't have.
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I have said it before on here...I love the spirit of resistance. Insurrection was what the British claimed as well. I agree with the words of Sheila, the actions of the few are poisoning the work of the many. For what...the loss of an election. Again I am all for resistance and made that clear on many occasions. I also believe we don’t take the first shot. What was the plan here? I really don’t think these people planned further than what they could see before their nose. Had they looked at the end goal and then work backwards before they started, these people wouldn’t have done this but unfortunately this proves (as if we need more proof) that their are idiots on all sides. Criminals and tyrants on all sides. Violence should be a last resort.
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I have said it before on here...I love the spirit of resistance. Insurrection was what the British claimed as well. I agree with the words of Sheila, the actions of the few are poisoning the work of the many. For what...the loss of an election. Again I am all for resistance and made that clear on many occasions. I also believe we don’t take the first shot. What was the plan here? I really don’t think these people planned further than what they could see before their nose. Had they looked at the end goal and then work backwards before they started, these people wouldn’t have done this but unfortunately this proves (as if we need more proof) that their are idiots on all sides. Criminals and tyrants on all sides. Violence should be a last resort.
Yep, just random violence, not like anyone encouraged it least of all POTUS.
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They locked his Twitter account for 12 hours, POTUS! And justifiable so. He’s caused enough damage for one day.
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You seem to think that it’s President trumps fault Jeb. You’re hate blinds you from your own comment. These people are responsible for their own actions. Remember as a kid being asked” if so and so asked you to jump off a bridge would you”. Don’t be an idiot. The current President will be out soon and a new one will take his place.
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I'm sorry, but America is a joke and the laughing stock in the eyes of the world
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Trump requested that those Trumpkins go take over the capitol. He said he'd be right there with them. Of course then he ducked on back to the White House. Trump does not elude responsibility just because someone else did his bidding. If it worked that way, Charles Manson wouldn't have been put away.
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Hunter- False, Trump didn’t say those words. It’s weakness to bare false witness. Sure some may have decided to push the edge and other idiots made the choice to fallow but that’s not what the President wanted I am sure.I bet he is for damn sure regretting showing up to speak to the protested as this is a terrible thing to have capping off your Presidency.
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Let's be consistent. If you didn't object to the people that took over blocks in Portland and Michigan being appalled at what happened in D.C. is hypocritical. What went on today is only half of what happened in those cities. As far as I know, no buildings burned or businesses destroyed. I think what happened in both is inexcusable, in both cases. But understand this is one day and it is going to continue happening. And if you look at the numbers of people in DC that think that a new administration and congress are going to be harmful you can bet it will spread.
And blaming Trump is pointless and lacks foundation. But that is what many want to do. And everyone is entitled to their opinion. But remember, "Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and most stink."
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Just mere hours after thousands of Ex-President Trump's minions stormed the capital, forcing both houses of Congress to ajourn, the business of democracy resumed.
Many Trump supporters who were going to vote against certifing the election are doing an about face. Trump, in inciting this insurrection has shot himself in the foot.
The Congress is meeting as I peck this out on phone. The Constitution is still in effect. The country moves forward and in two weeks a sane person will be in the Oval Office.
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Trump owned what happened in DC yesterday. He has blood on him now. May calmer heads prevail and get our country moving in the correct direction again. Enough dividing the country into warring factions.
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I'm all for invoking the 25th Amendment. Little chance I know, after watching how spineless our elected officials and Cabinet members are.
Sure... there's only 13 days left of his "reign". The question is...how much more damage can he do to this country?
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I agree with Gunnerman, and I think he makes a vital point: A microscopic handful of people were responsible for what happened yesterday.
I have seen any number estimates, but putting the crowd at 10,000 people -- which is likely very generous -- that means that 0.01% of those who voted for Trump participated in the attack. On top of that, it's unclear what percentage of the crowd were actual Trump supporters who genuinely believe the election was stolen and what percentage were generic malcontents looking to cause trouble.
Yesterday I was on a Zoom call while this was going on, and I kept surreptitiously checking my phone. When the call ended around 3:15, I dashed into the living room and turned on CNN. I, too, was horrified and deeply troubled by what I saw. To paraphrase Joe Biden, this isn't us. This was a whole different level of "insurrection" than everything else Trump and his supporters have been doing and saying since the evening of November 3rd. And it is, of course, completely without historical precedent.
(While I've never been a fan of Anderson Cooper -- okay, I think he's a raging asshole -- I felt like punching him in the face when I heard him say something along the lines of "This is the most horrifying thing I've ever seen on TV." Mr. Cooper must have forgotten events he saw on TV 20 years ago this September.)
The biggest irony, of course, is that the event being "protested" was almost exclusively ceremonial. The official counting of the electoral votes would in no way have changed the election results, no matter how many members of Congress objected. The electoral votes were all cast, certified, and published back on December 14th, and the results of the election were final. In fact, they're all right here, if you're interested in seeing them:
http://www.archives.gov/electoral-college/2020
I'm always an advocate for calm. slow, and reasonable measures, but in this instance, and with the benefit of 12 hours of hindsight, I think the House should meet in an emergency session and impeach Trump again. The move would be completely symbolic, and the fact that Trump's term ends in 13 days would make the entire effort moot. But what happened yesterday is directly attributable to Trump himself, and a vote of impeachment -- with bipartisan support -- would send a sharp and clear message to the nation, and the world, that this is not us.
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I'm all for invoking the 25th Amendment. Little chance I know, after watching how spineless our elected officials and Cabinet members are.
Sure... there's only 13 days left of his "reign". The question is...how much more damage can he do to this country?
As reluctant as I am to do so, I give Mike Pence huge props for the way he acted yesterday. He began the vote-counting statement by openly and overtly defying Trump, in what was a clear and stinging rebuke. And he re-opened the ceremony yesterday evening with equally strong words.
(However, I feel compelled to take issue with one thing he said in that evening speech. He referred to what happened as "unprecedented violence in this capitol." He seems to have forgotten that in the summer of 1814, British troops looted and burned the Capitol Building, and then looted and burned the White House.)
Above, I advocated for Congress to meet in emergency session and impeach Trump again. But your plan might be better. While I'm sure Pence and the rest of the Cabinet simply want to wait out the 13 days that remain in Trump's term, they could invoke Section 4 of the 25th Amendment and have Trump "temporarily" out of office for the remainder of his term.
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I agree with Gunnerman, and I think he makes a vital point: A microscopic handful of people were responsible for what happened yesterday.
I have seen any number estimates, but putting the crowd at 10,000 people -- which is likely very generous -- that means that 0.01% of those who voted for Trump participated in the attack. On top of that, it's unclear what percentage of the crowd were actual Trump supporters who genuinely believe the election was stolen and what percentage were generic malcontents looking to cause trouble.
Ted Cruz said it’s 39% of the country.
While it was eclipsed by events at our nation’s capital, about a dozen state capitals were also under siege yesterday, and those crowds cheered when they heard the U.S. capital had been breached for the first time since the British did so in 1814.
Maybe yesterday and the Jan 20 inauguration will be a wake up call for some of the Trumptards, but those that still think the election was stolen and that the commission of violence is a justifiable response is a shitload more than 0.01%.
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No, not false. Trump told his people to march on down to the capitol and he'd be with them. Whether he regretted it later is not at issue, though it's clear that at most he considered it a tactical error at worst.
Trump encouraged this. In words. Many times, in fact. Facts don't like. Trumpkins lie.
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I agree with Gunnerman, and I think he makes a vital point: A microscopic handful of people were responsible for what happened yesterday.
I have seen any number estimates, but putting the crowd at 10,000 people -- which is likely very generous -- that means that 0.01% of those who voted for Trump participated in the attack. On top of that, it's unclear what percentage of the crowd were actual Trump supporters who genuinely believe the election was stolen and what percentage were generic malcontents looking to cause trouble.
Ted Cruz said it’s 39% of the country.
While it was eclipsed by events at our nation’s capital, about a dozen state capitals were also under siege yesterday, and those crowds cheered when they heard the U.S. capital had been breached for the first time since the British did so in 1814.
Maybe yesterday and the Jan 20 inauguration will be a wake up call for some of the Trumptards, but those that still think the election was stolen and that the commission of violence is a justifiable response is a shitload more than 0.01%.
Really? You're going to base your assertions on what "Ted Cruz said"?!?
What happened yesterday or what might happen on January 20th will not stand as a wake-up call to either the people who attacked the U.S. Capitol yesterday, nor, judging by his Tweet this morning, to Trump himself.
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Actually that a large portion of the country believes that the election was stolen is supported by polls (however accurate they may be?), where Cruz diverged from reality is suggesting there was some validity to those beliefs that required investigation. Of course even he knows that’s bullshit, as most of us know that’s all a show to help him inherit the Trumptards for 2024.
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Actually that a large portion of the country believes that the election was stolen is supported by polls (however accurate they may be?), where Cruz diverged from reality is suggesting there was some validity to those beliefs that required investigation. Of course even he knows that’s bullshit, as most of us know that’s all a show to help him inherit the Trumptards for 2024.
Actually, the percentage of Americans who believe the election was stolen and the percentage of Americans who participated in the violent attack on the Capitol yesterday are two very different groups.
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No need to invoke the 25th Amendment. There is not enough time left. Trump is pretty much a non-entity as our president after what occurred yesterday. His enablers are now backing off on their tough rhetoric. These congressmen and senators, though, should be held accountable for their actions that supported Trump and pay for it at the ballot box in the next election. Biden can reap huge rewards with this crisis if he plays his cards right.
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No need to invoke the 25th Amendment. There is not enough time left. Trump is pretty much a non-entity as our president after what occurred yesterday. His enablers are now backing off on their tough rhetoric. These congressmen and senators, though, should be held accountable for their actions that supported Trump and pay for it at the ballot box in the next election. Biden can reap huge rewards with this crisis if he plays his cards right.
Strictly speaking, there's plenty of time. Here's what the text says:
"Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."
So, if Vice President Pence, along with a simple majority of cabinet members, presented a document to those two officifals this afternoon declaring that Trump is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office," Trump would be temporarily relieved of his duties, and Pence would become Acting President.
The rest of the text describes an appeals process for Trump to appeal and that to be adjudicated before Congress, but the fact remains, Pence could do it, if he chose.
And perhaps he should. It would be an almost exclusively meaningless act, but it would be a clear, sharp signal to the nation and the world -- and it would be a way for Republicans to visibly dissociate themselves from Trump.
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The Republicans who have disassociated themselves from Trump had done so a long time ago. Those trying to disassociate themselves from Trump now are or were part of the problem. Kind of late to jump ship.
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Hunter-you’re an idiot. So know you change what you said he told the protesters. At least now you tell more closely to what he said. You are still a weak individual. Good luck with that manipulation of the truth shit.
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Actually that a large portion of the country believes that the election was stolen is supported by polls (however accurate they may be?), where Cruz diverged from reality is suggesting there was some validity to those beliefs that required investigation. Of course even he knows that’s bullshit, as most of us know that’s all a show to help him inherit the Trumptards for 2024.
Actually, the percentage of Americans who believe the election was stolen and the percentage of Americans who participated in the violent attack on the Capitol yesterday are two very different groups.
Only in part. As I said earlier, numerous state capitals saw such protests with Proud Boys, 3 Percenters, Boogaloos and other far right groups. And just because some didn’t make the trip to DC, doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have acted that way if they could have been there.
The woman shot in the chest that died was a veteran and by all accounts a patriot. She was led astray by a malignant president who only cares about himself. She was shot trying to enter the House Chamber to do who knows what to Congress people and the VP convinced by Trump they were traitors.
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Absolutely nothing Trump has done these past 4 awful years has been the least little bit surprising to me. If anything, I was expecting far worse, more violence and more deaths. And we still got 12.5 days for that.
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The woman who was shot, may well have been shot by a errant bullet from a Capitol Hill Police Officer, who fired at a demonstator/rioter man, and missed his target.
First reports included an explanation about a man chasing an Officer on a staircase, and the Capitol Police Officer firing his weapon to stop that man. I have not seen any reports about a male rioter being shot to date... one fellow rioter supposedly said, by a News report "quote" we suddenly saw a woman among us fall, she has been shot, or words to that effect...
I expect one day to see some detailed investigative report regarding the Officer who discharged his firearm, and the woman who was indeed killed by gunfire, and it should not be rocket science to see which bullet, therefore which firearm/Officer is involved.
A mix of violent, organized, anarchist rioters, around 50 to less than 100, led an attack, gained entry after some relatively short time, AND some Trump supporters aparently also entered the Capitol illegally, and to date no definitive report, or investigative conclusion has been released.
The violent breach was underway and happening, nearly as soon as demonstrators began leaving the Elipse near the White House, prior to the end of the Speeches at that location, as witnessed by those who headed for the Capitol when President Trump made that remark during his Speech, walking those 16 city blocks...
So, in my opinion, while the tactics "looked like" anarchists, organized and dedicated, whether far leftists or from the far right, said rioters had accessories, Flags and such marking them as "Trump Supporters", and the behavior of such Thugs is against all tenets of the MAGA Spirit, and unwelcome by any true conservative, and/or anti-RINO, anti-Swamp, supporter of President Trump, and the accomplishments, as well as the goals, of this President's Administration.
The March itself was a "Permitted" Demonstation, with all the legal documentation required, by the City of Washington, DC, the Park Police and the Capitol Police, including the intended Time, and Route for those attending. Said "Permit" clearly was violated by 100 or more persons, carrying placards and flags identifying those thugs, and wannabe other 'followers' who entered the Capitol building, out of the hundreds of thousands estimated crowd size involved in the "Permitted March".
Sadly, the public discussion, and release of details on the record as to State behaviors, relative to adherance to State Legislatures making law and passing legislation exclusively regarding election rules, never was able to proceed as intended... at least in yesterday's Congressional forum, where Americans could see, hear, and from the Congressional Record, gain a detailed record, should there be such interest.
The wholesale Media, and Democrat, and RINO attacks on President Trump are despicable, and way over the top, when compared with the critique by the same groups of the 'Political' violence since June 2020 and the same group's "Mostly Peaceful" mantra these many months, in Washington DC and in cities large and small across the Nation.
The FACTS are whatever the Media and Democrats have said they are without the details that will follow, as various Police and Government Agency investigations proceed, and conclude, likely many months long in the making.
We shall watch with interest, to see what reality may turn out to be.
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Oh wonderful, yellow wall of nonsense is back. And nope, didn’t read it.
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A police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained when the Trumpists stormed the Capital Building. :'(
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A police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained when the Trumpists stormed the Capital Building. :'(
Based on the information in Joan's post above, the Trumpists did not storm the Capitol Building. They only "apparently" did so.
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Yep, Trumpers killed a cop.
So much for Blue Lives Mattering.
Also saw the pics and vids of Trumpers tearing down an American flag and replacing it with a Trump flag.
So much for "respecting the flag or ELSE."
Bottom line: Trumpers only believe in ANYTHING for exactly as long as believing in that thing allow them to behave like the worthless pieces of impacted fecal matter that they actually are.
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Police confiscated one assault rifle, two pipe bombs and over a dozen molotov cocktails. What part of a peaceful protest do these items fit into?
Our local newspaper reported that a local CEO of a tech company was one of the many arrested in Washington. Even CEOs fall for lies.
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A police officer has died as a result of injuries sustained when the Trumpists stormed the Capital Building. :'(
Based on the information in Joan's post above, the Trumpists did not storm the Capitol Building. They only "apparently" did so.
The good news for joan is the KB upgrade includes a dating ap, and she’s already got several matches.
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OMG! Duck Dynasty is trying to conquer the country. I thought their TV show died. Guess it just smells that way.
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The guy with the horns and Buffalo hat is kinda cute. Too bad he's a Q-Anon wing-nut. Still might be a good shag, but not relationship material. :emot_kiss:
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The two on the left are supposed to be actual neo-Nazis. The guy on the far left allegedly organized the Unite the right in Charlottesville.
I find irony in that recently Trump increased the penalty for vandalism of Federal property to 10 years. He of course meant for that penalty to apply to Antifa, except they sat this one out. Arrests have begun.
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The two on the left are supposed to be actual neo-Nazis. The guy on the far left allegedly organized the Unite the right in Charlottesville.
I find irony in that recently Trump increased the penalty for vandalism of Federal property to 10 years. He of course meant for that penalty to apply to Antifa, except they sat this one out. Arrests have begun.
We will see how many last minute pardons Trump dishes out to “members of Antifa.” It’s a shame they are being identified in the media.
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Right now I think it's his family and himself that he's planning on dishing out pardons to. I doubt he cares anything for the rioters. They were just tools he used in his failed coup.
He should be glad he's in America. Leaders of failed coups in other countries are taken to the wall and shot. I doubt he'll have any consequences. All the pols are lining up to get their shot with the media demanding action, but nothing will come of it.
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I think pardons will embolden his base, and spit in McConnell’s and Pence’s eyes. I hope I am wrong, but we will know soon enough.
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The guy with the horns and Buffalo hat is kinda cute. Too bad he's a Q-Anon wing-nut. Still might be a good shag, but not relationship material. :emot_kiss:
While I'll refrain from the good shag part, when I first saw that picture, I thought he was a character from "Where the Wild Things Are."
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The guy with the horns and Buffalo hat is kinda cute. Too bad he's a Q-Anon wing-nut. Still might be a good shag, but not relationship material. :emot_kiss:
While I'll refrain from the good shag part, when I first saw that picture, I thought he was a character from "Where the Wild Things Are."
Chewbacca bikini was rather humorous.
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There’s video of the woman who was shot dead by Capital Police, Airforce vet. She was shot just as she and others were about to enter the House Chamber with Congress persons present. I will decline to post the video.
She’s a tragic Quixotic figure that reminded me of LaVoy Finicum of the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge infamy about 4 years ago. Basically good people caught in delusions of what’s right and making very poor decisions of offering violence to law enforcement and elected officials. And unfortunately, but justifiably, shot dead by law enforcement.
I saw a blip she was known for racist posts, not sure if that’s true or not, but reading that did take the edge of my sympathy. People like these are adults, responsible for their actions. In the case of Finicum, he joined a militia group of occupation of his own volition; he wasn’t ‘inspired’ by a charismatic narcissistic president to pursue his delusions. I don’t know why he periodically invades my mind, except he came across in interviews as so personable, likable and decent, yet made a decision to help take over and vandalize Federal property and drew his gun on police after trying to run a checkpoint.
Then there’s the guy who while trying to steal a portrait of the Democrat Speaker of the House from my youth reportedly accidentally tazed himself in the nuts from a taser shoved in his pants and had a heart attack and died.
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Indeed I read more today, regarding the Veteran shot at the House Chamber door, and she had no business being where she was at all. Still not clear she was the intended target, or whether the gunshot was intended as a general warning, by the Capitol Hill Police plainclothes Officer who fired.
There is no place in a permitted demonstration for people who intend, or who spontaneously create violence, and law breaking of any kind, and some planned Anti Riot Legislation may address such, but likely is redundant, as existing law already addresses Riot Behavior as Law Breaking, and only requires some consistent enforcement by the States and City/Town where such may occur.
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They also released video of the Capital Police officer being crushed by the mob of insurrectionists. I was unclear on how he died and how culpable those criminals were; they clearly ended his life. I hope they are caught, but any civilian that illegally entered the Capital is at fault for his death. And I’ll add, any Capital Police officers that removed barricades, opened doors , stood aside, took selfies or otherwise did not do their duty are also responsible along with the leadership that bizarrely claim they had no clue that could. Fuck, even I knew such violence would happen and what bigger target was there then the Capital where they were certifying Trump’s loss. They were ranting about it online for weeks. This guy most likely didn’t just drop the ball, he probably was to some degree complicit.
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Love this.
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Love this.
Woo’s aren’t working, but I’ll get you one later.
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They also released video of the Capital Police officer being crushed by the mob of insurrectionists. I was unclear on how he died and how culpable those criminals were; they clearly ended his life. I hope they are caught, but any civilian that illegally entered the Capital is at fault for his death. And I’ll add, any Capital Police officers that removed barricades, opened doors , stood aside, took selfies or otherwise did not do their duty are also responsible along with the leadership that bizarrely claim they had no clue that could. Fuck, even I knew such violence would happen and what bigger target was there then the Capital where they were certifying Trump’s loss. They were ranting about it online for weeks. This guy most likely didn’t just drop the ball, he probably was to some degree complicit.
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Seems the officer that was killed is not the one I saw screaming from being crushed. He was beaten to death. A second officer committed suicide yesterday. May they rest in peace.
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Most of the people involved were just exercising their 1st amendment right tto assemble and make their views known. These folks were duped by Trump into believing the elections had been stolen from him. But it is estimated that three out ov every ten were there to stop the certification of Biden's election by violent means. These people have comitted a treasonous act against the United States.
These people were armed and two of them had zip ties to restrain the hostages they meant to take. Others used their flagpoles as spears and attacked the police with them. One police officer was killed and others were injured. Other police officers seemed to welcome these hooligans and opened doors and took selfies with them. Meanwhile, newly elected Republican Congresswoman and Q-Anon member, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tweeted the location of Nancy Pelosi turing the attack. I believe they would have killed VP Mike Pence, House Speaker Pelosi & Senate Minority Leader Schumer and others had they been located.
Also, two pipe bombs were found in the Capital building after the atttackers had been expelled.
Arrests of those taking part in the attack are now underway, and I hope the charges against them are as serious as their actions.
This was a very dark day for America.
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The Three out of Ten may well apply, directly, to those who entered the U.S. Capitol Building itself, and seems the more strident are mostly followers/believers in QAnon, whether active Members of such, or just "internet believers" of the radical organization.
Of the Hundreds of Thousands who participaed in the Demonstration, who listened to Speeches at the Elipse, then strolled down Constitution Avenue to the Capitol Grounds, as was expected, according to the city permits, or Capitol Permits obtained in advance, the 3 in 10 number is ludicrous.
Was reading today an Associated Press article detailing a number of QAnon followers, including a retired Military Officer photographed in the Senate, with a Helmet, Vest, and ZipTie Handcuffs on his belt, and some number of other persons who have been Identified, sought by the FBI, etc, all QAnon believers.
The Pipe Bombs were placed at two different addresses in Wash DC, not at the Capitol Building itself, and deactivated well prior to the issue at the U.S. Capitol, speculated as a distraction for Capitol Police, to draw attention away from the Capitol, around the time some conspired to break into that building.
Those who attacked the building came prepared, bringing ropes for climbing the West Side landscaping and Capitol building walls, tools to break down doors, even in one case a Police Riot Shield, used to knock out reinforced Glass windows was caught on film.
Capitol Police were not prepared, and not capable to stop the attack, as they demonstrated, and after the initial entry, Capitol Police allowed demonstrators to enter the Capitol, and told them it was OK, so long as they stayed within the "roped off" areas used by Tourists on a daily basis there.
Looks like about 50 hard core anarchist thugs did the breaking in, and smashing of doors and windows, as well as the disruption of hearings, and were a true threat to those in the Capitol Building. At least another 50 citizens from the "Save The Steal" permitted Demonstration, entered the building, without any effort by Capitol Police to stop them, and with Capitol Police efforts to accept them, similar to how Tourists are allowed inside during normal hours there.
Looks like the FBI and other agencies have the capabilty to identify via photograph images many of those inside the Capitol Building, and will follow up to identify as many as may be possible, bringing suitable charges for lawbreaking for all they identify and pursue.
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Most of the people involved were just exercising their 1st amendment right tto assemble and make their views known.
Others were exercising their right to kill Capitol police, put the VP in hiding, vandalize the Speaker’s office, defecate, and smear shit on the floors and walls of our nation’s Capitol. Five dead. That’s one more than Benghazi.
Their views are well known. They are repugnant.
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Oh wonderful, yellow wall of nonsense is back. And nope, didn’t read it.
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"Some people did something....."
Up to a half million participants in a legal, and peaceful demonstration on January 6, 2021 are and were as shocked as are the more than 75,000,000 American Citizens who Voted for President Trump, President Trump himself, his family and his Adminstration, as well as all correct thinking Americans, by the actions of those who conspired, prepared, and attacked the United States Capitol building, and those inside it.
Those Trump Supporters, who with their families attended this "Save The Steal" Demonstration, had nothing to do with the violence seen, and the actions planned and taken by thug anarchist criminals at the US Capitol, as well as by some who just followed into the unguarded Capitol building, following the illegal attack.
Less than 100 people total were/are responsible for causing mayhem at the Capitol Building on that day, and all who entered the Capitol that day must be identified, sorted out and charged as necessary, and the full weight of prosecution and punishment dealt to those who conspired and performed the breakin, and trashing of the US Capitol, as well as the threatening of those legitimately inside that building.
Just as when unwanted thugs accompany any legitimate demonstrator crowd, during legitimate protest Marches in the recent past, and those thugs break glass windows, loot and burn commercial buildings, stores, and go as far as to destroy Federal and State Monuments, and property these thugs are unwanted, making illegal threads and consipre to illegal acts, and perform such illegal acts, they should be arrested, charged, and prosecuted, and hunted down after the fact, using photographs or DNA, facial recognition, and whatever it takes to discourage such acts.
Legitimate leaders of protest demonstrations for a wide variety of detail causes, decry the activity of such thugs, as do all associated with the "Save The Steal" Demonstration on January 6, 2021.
The criminal actions done that day are abhored by all persons, and there is no gap to be exploited between Left and Right, between those who support President Trump, and those who do not support our President. Indeed we have BiPartisan agreement on this matter, and we all seek to see legitimate investigator detailed results, so blame and accountabity may be laid where it is due, and punishment taken for the criminal activity involved.
Making such BiPartisan, American agreement among the populace, into Partisan Retribution is not a pretty thing to watch, and not a legitimate response. Painting the entire Half Million plus participants in a licensed, permit received, major Political Demonstation with a broad brush as all criminal anarchists is a Political effort, and unfortunately has gained the support of many who seek to signify their distancing from the criminal actions involved, while seeking to punish, socially as well as criminally, their political opponents, for the actions of Consiprators, and Criminals.
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So many new details coming out as a hard look at vids and pics are revealed.
I was disturbed by the vid of a lone security guard facing the mob with only a baton. He held the Trumptards at the top of some stairs. He looked to his left, then turned right and ran up another flight of steps with the rebels following. I thought it was a smart retreat.
Today I learned when he looked left, he saw doors to the Senate still open. Using himself as bait, he led the rioters in the other direction. Like the spineless sheep they are, they followed, missing a chance at maybe catching some Senators.
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I will repeat myself. Peaceful protesters do not bring an assault rifle, two pipe bombs and a dozen or so molotov cocktails to their protest. I believe though, that small groups of people bent on fomenting trouble do mix with peaceful protesters. It happened in the summer riots in major cities and it happened in Washington, DC.
One Illinois Congressman reported in today's newspaper that on his return trip to Chicago on a United flight, it was full of rowdy Trumpsters who threatened flight attendants until the Captain said he would not pull away from the gate until they behaved themselves and if trouble occurred in flight, he would land at the nearest airport. The Congressman also mentioned that these same people were in the airport's bar, unmasked and not socially distant, yelling at people and generally being obnoxious.
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Of the Hundreds of Thousands who participaed in the Demonstration, who listened to Speeches at the Elipse, then strolled down Constitution Avenue to the Capitol Grounds, as was expected, according to the city permits, or Capitol Permits obtained in advance, the 3 in 10 number is ludicrous.
Your contention that hundreds of thousands were present is also ludicrous.
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I fear more trouble is headed this way. FBI has issued a warning that armed protests are being planned for all 50 state capitals along with Washington D.C. Protests are to start Jan. 16th through the Inauguration on the 20th.
It's being made clear that last weeks insurrection intended to take members of Congress hostage and there were calls to hang VP Mike Pence. The noose shown in videos hanging from a scaffold outside the Capital Building was not an idle threat.
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From the mouths of babes .....
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I watched the FBI press conference.
Good: a lot of Trumptards are going to prison.
Bad: no senior officials were there in this first Federal acknowledgment of the insurrection 6 days after it happened, and it was largely conciliatory and completely ignored how badly they dropped the ball here. FBI is on the job. . . . after the fact.
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This was broadcast on UK TV last night. The journalist claimed they were the only news team able to enter the Capitol during the insurrection. Viewers outside the USA may need to use a VPN to access it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJiSmVktty4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJiSmVktty4)
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Given my proximity I’m actually a bit relieved I haven’t recognized anyone yet given I live in Trumptardlandia it often feels like (fucking signs are still up). I could be at the Capital in 1-1.5 hours depending on traffic and how long a wait on the Metro platform. There’s been several reported from towns close to me, but no one I know. Last thing I want is to see someone I know and then have the dilemma of calling the FBI. I do like that felons lose their vote, I expect that’s a certainty for insurrection.
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We've been on edge all week here in Minnesota. Alerts had gone out saying our State Capitol was one of the targets for this weekends pro Trump rallies and there were threats, according to the FBI that attacks of some sort were possible. There's still burned out shells of buildings from last summers rioting dotting the cities.
National Guard was called out. Security around the already fenced off capitol building was increased. Streets blocked by concrete barriers and military vehicles. Law enforcement on high alert.
Well...about a dozen pro Trumptards showed up...vastly outnumbered by law enforcement. We'll see what happens between now and the inauguration.
Like the guy said at the 30th floor as he fell from the 50 story building..."So far, so good."
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José Andrés Is one of my heroes.
José Andrés delivers meals to National Guard troops protecting DC
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/politics/national-politics/inauguration/jose-andres-dc-chef-world-central-kitchen-national-guard-troops-capitol-inauguration/65-f33ba3d1-9a27-4d95-b6d3-b338126ed2ec
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I was somewhat amused with the video I saw of the events at the Capitol.
From the footage, it appeared that only 1 in 4 was masked. A significant percentage of participants will thus contract COVID, and from all of the redneck beer bellies I saw there (poor health), some of them won't survive the experience.
That's a few less ultra-cons for the next election... ya gotta love idiots that remove themselves from the gene pool!
Who says you can't cure stupid?
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I had the same thought Rope. Then I realized that these scum will tie up needed health services. What a waste.
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I had the same thought Rope. Then I realized that these scum will tie up needed health services. What a waste.
‘Oh, you were at the insurrection riot and broke into the Capital? Sorry, go to the back of the ICU line.’
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My fervent hope is not necessarily that these insurrectionists serve prison time, although I would not shed a tear for a single one that does. I want any of them that committed a felony to be so charged and convicted. Thereby, prohibiting them from ever owning a firearm.
I say this as a legal firearm owner.
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A recurring theme from individual insurrectionists are complaints about the lack of porta-potties. The city of DC did not invite you to come and try to overthrow the government. Trump did, so blame him you were squatting behind the scaffolding.
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A recurring theme from individual insurrectionists are complaints about the lack of porta-potties. The city of DC did not invite you to come and try to overthrow the government. Trump did, so blame him you were squatting behind the scaffolding.
Proving that a Theater in the Park production of Julius Caesar is better organized to accomplish anything treason related than these conservative chuckleheads were.
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The number of required Porta Potty installations, and frequency for servicing same, is included by the U.S. Park Service, or whoever was the Permit Authority for the Event, and
is one of the items paid for, including a BOND to insure payment, which is dictated by the Permit Authority for the Event.
The summer demonstrations, some of which did not obtain a Permit, often the reason for lack of a Permit can be the BOND that is required for posting, at the time of the Permit.
The Permit includes the intended Route which is Authorized by the Authority granting said Permit, the number of participants (which figures in calculating needed services, including closing of streets, or addition of fencing, and Porta Potty quantity, including specific location of each such facility (Elipse, Washington Monument grounds, U.S. Capitol Grounds, etc. for this Authorized demonstration March).
A recurring theme from individual insurrectionists are complaints about the lack of porta-potties. The city of DC did not invite you to come and try to overthrow the government. Trump did, so blame him you were squatting behind the scaffolding.
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So where’d you end up squatting?
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I had no idea was an expert on porta potties.
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I had no idea was an expert on porta potties.
Me either, and been wondering if body armor has to come off to use them?
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Talk about unclear on the concept:
accidentally left-wing (@LeftAccidental) Tweeted:
https://twitter.com/LeftAccidental/status/1352455545404461056?s=20
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Yeah...no idea of the concept. And yet in the USA, he could be President...or did I mean was President. :facepalm:
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I had a hard time understanding how so many people could accept the Trump lies about how he won the election and results were fraud. To not only feed into his insanity but to flock to the Capitol to hear this big bag of wind urge them on and rile them up to the point of storming the Capitol building was like mass insanity.
As if to prove how mindless this mob was, the FBI has received over 200 thousand photos, many from friends and family, of the rioters that they themselves posted to social media. So far there's been a 150 arrests with more to come.
Be interesting to see how the Justice Dept. handles these cases. Defense will also be fun to watch as the numbskulls have incriminated themselves. No wonder Trump was so bad when his supporters were so stupid.
https://www.startribune.com/this-is-me-rioters-flaunt-involvement-in-capitol-siege/600015089/
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I could not be more proud of anyone I’ve voted for than I am for my representative in the House right now. He just lost his son to suicide from depression, and his daughter was at the Capital that day and was very afraid, and there he is speaking and making the case for impeachment in ways that have even the Republicans impressed.
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BLUE STATE BLUES - WHY THE HOUSE
FAILED TO PROVE IT'S CASE
JOEL B. POLLAK11 Feb 2021125
The House impeachment managers could not prove incitement — the central charge in the Article of Impeachment.
Then-President Donald Trump told supporters to protest “peacefully and patriotically.” No court could convict him on the facts.
So Democrats created a new standard. Trump is guilty of “inciting” the Capitol riot, they said, because he rejected the election, and he used provocative rhetoric for years.
But by that standard, Democrats would be guilty of “incitement,” too.
Democrats never accepted the result of the 2016 presidential election. Hillary Clinton “conceded” only in a formal sense. She and her deputies blamed “Russia collusion,” a conspiracy theory for which there was no real evidence.
The “Russia collusion” hoax undermined the peaceful transition of power, divided the nation, and led to violations of civil liberties. After it was debunked, neither the Democrats nor the media apologized for the hoax. Clinton, in fact, is still pushing it.
Moreover, Democrats have used provocative tactics — including violence — for years. In 2011, Democrats surrounded and occupied the Wisconsin state capitol to prevent Republicans from governing. That same year, they backed Occupy Wall Street, a lawless movement. In 2014, they embraced Black Lives Matter, which led to rioting and attacks on police. They did so again on a massive scale in 2020, as rioters burned cities, destroyed monuments, and attacked the White House.
For Democrats to judge Trump by their new standard of “incitement,” they would have had to admit that it was wrong to question the 2016 election, or to condone left-wing rioting.
But they could not. Just look at who is prosecuting Trump.
Lead impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD) objected to the certification of the Electoral College vote in 2017, hoping to prevent Trump from being declared the winner. He also vowed to impeach Trump as soon as he took office.
Fellow impeachment manager Rep. Joaquin Castro (D-TX), who lectured the Senate this week on the need to accept losing elections, pushed the “Russia collusion” hoax. He also “doxxed” Trump donors in his congressional district in 2019.
Their colleague, impeachment manager Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA), claimed Trump was an “illegitimate” president in 2017. He also pushed “Russia collusion.” At one point, he had to apologize for mocking Trump for visiting tornado victims.
The problem with the Democrats’ “incitement” standard is that they have no credibility.
It took the Capitol riot for the Democrats to condemn political violence or to speak out on behalf of police or in defense of national monuments.
The new “incitement” standard is also too broad. It cannot be forbidden to raise questions about an election — especially in light of revelations in TIME about how a “secret” and “well-funded cabal” worked to change rules and suppress media.
The House impeachment managers told the Senators that if they did not vote to convict Trump by their new standard, there would be no accountability for the riot.
But if Democrats wanted accountability, they would not have put a trial before any investigation.
There would have been other ways to hold Trump accountable, such as a bipartisan inquiry to investigate what happened. The impeachment has poisoned future efforts to find out the truth and assign responsibility.
At one point, several Republican Senators walked out of the trial, after Raskin played clips from Trump rallies going back to 2015 to argue his supporters were violent, painting them as extremists.
They knew: if Trump is guilty of “incitement,” millions can be smeared as accomplices.
Democrats made clear that convicting Trump, and barring him from office, would blacklist a generation of conservatives.
Their case failed because they put Republicans on trial. Perhaps that was the point.
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Moreover, Democrats have used provocative tactics — including violence — for years. In 2011, Democrats surrounded and occupied the Wisconsin state capitol to prevent Republicans from governing.
Act 10 protests never turned violent, and it did not "prevent Republicans from governing".
https://www.nbc15.com/2021/01/07/us-congressman-says-wisconsin-act-10-protests-are-incomparable-to-capitol-hill-violence/
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Say what you will about MAGA, but Trumps balls aren't going to polish themselves. 😋
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6 months later, we need our heroes.
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Megyn Kelly’s comments that the insurrection has been over blown by the media just show that while you can take Megyn Kelly out of Fox, you can’t take Fox out of Megyn Kelly.
https://www.newsweek.com/megyn-kelly-says-media-hyped-capitol-riot-make-it-look-worse-it-actually-was-1609011
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I wonder why Nancy Pelosi rejected a couple of the Republicans for the Jan 6 Insurrection investigation?
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I want to know why Trump isn't facing trial for inciting violence on Jan. 6th. Or does the paartisan show at his last impeachment trial count as a real trial so double-jeopardy applies?
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I want to know why Trump isn't facing trial for inciting violence on Jan. 6th. Or does the paartisan show at his last impeachment trial count as a real trial so double-jeopardy applies?
It’s unprecedented. So who knows what the courts will decide? And I’m not a lawyer. But it seems to me an impeachment “trial” is more like a board of directors deliberating on whether to fire the CEO for burning down the headquarters building. It’s orthogonal to an actual criminal prosecution for arson.
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I want to know why Trump isn't facing trial for inciting violence on Jan. 6th. Or does the paartisan show at his last impeachment trial count as a real trial so double-jeopardy applies?
It’s unprecedented. So who knows what the courts will decide? And I’m not a lawyer. But it seems to me an impeachment “trial” is more like a board of directors deliberating on whether to fire the CEO for burning down the headquarters building. It’s orthogonal to an actual criminal prosecution for arson.
It's political theater to detract from the fact that the vast majority of the public (and this includes democrats) feel that crime is out of control and that the southern border is out of control as well. Nancy feels that if they have a BIG trial and convict Trump for the third time that it will make people forget about out of control crime and out of control illegal immigration.
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I want to know why Trump isn't facing trial for inciting violence on Jan. 6th. Or does the partisan show at his last impeachment trial count as a real trial so double-jeopardy applies?
Those are very legitimate questions.
I'm neither an attorney nor a Constitutional scholar (though there is one KB contributor who is both of those things), but from what I have read, proving incitement charges in a criminal court proceeding is an extremely difficult thing to do, especially given the lack of specific evidence of Trump directly ordering the attack on the Capitol Building.
Commentators on both sides of the issue have parsed every single word Trump uttered at the "Stop the Steal" rally that immediately preceded the violent attack on the Capitol, with those on the right pointing to the phrase “peacefully and patriotically” as proof of Trump's lack of legal culpability. I would argue -- and this is opinion, and not fact, and certainly not evidence -- that Trump's culpability is based on the fact that Trump should have judged the tenor of the crowd listening with rapt attention to his every word, and realized that the potential for violence after Trump told the crowd, "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building."
While its true that phrase was immediately succeeded by Trump's “peacefully and patriotically” admonition, the phrase was immediately preceded by his loudly proclaiming "We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore!" It's as if his "peacefully and patriotically" condition was offered with a nudge and a wink, and his true goal was to "fight like hell."
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Very compelling and emotional testimony from several Capital Police Officers today. While I completely disagree with their politics, I have deep respect for Cheney’s and Kinzinger’s participation in the investigation. They showed integrity and true emotion.
Meanwhile Moscow Mitch and McCarthy claimed to be too busy to watch.
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The more this goes on the more I hope people see it for what it really is and not what those that profit from ‘owning the libs’ falsely claim. Time to start suing Fox and the disgusting people that perpetuate false information.
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One year ago today the traitor Trump and his equally traitorous Trumptards attacked a coequal branch of government.
Accountability and justice are long overdue.