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« on: July 25, 2011, 10:51:32 PM »

ok can someone explain to me why it is okay to write a fantasy story involving underage sex but the moment you put a drawing to it it becomes taboo?
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 10:55:01 PM »

Got to say, good question. Not my thing but it is a good question. I would think that a story about underage sex would still be distribution of child porn?? Hope that someone on here will have an answer (pesky lawyers)  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 11:01:22 PM »

I think that laws are turned against men.... more so than woman.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 11:05:17 PM »

Got to say, good question. Not my thing but it is a good question. I would think that a story about underage sex would still be distribution of child porn?? Hope that someone on here will have an answer (pesky lawyers)  Grin
Blame U.S. courts. Its a constant struggle which way the Miller test leans on each and every related case...and it is that test that determines whether it is "art" or "porn". Art is protected by free speech. Porn is not.

I think that laws are turned against men.... more so than woman.
If you are going to make a statement like that, back it up with some examples! I'm not saying you are wrong, but just saying that and not backing it up is probably just going to piss people off. In this forum, prepare to get lambasted if you do...
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 11:07:38 PM »

Roe vs wade,  u can killem, we cant...   go easy on me please...
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 11:10:29 PM »

Roe vs wade,  u can killem, we cant...   go easy on me please...
Hehe... did my response in the other pedo thread scare you? I don't normally get that worked up so don't worry~
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 11:12:54 PM »

This was the topic of one of my very first posts here:

http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=1215.msg77279#msg77279

And I still don't understand the difference, especially in this particular instance, where the girls depicted are clearly pre-pubescent.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 11:14:10 PM »

People vs Larry Flint over roe vs wade
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2011, 11:25:22 PM »

I think that laws are turned against men.... more so than woman.


Interesting assertion, but it would benefit from examples and explanations. Then again, as Toe pointed out, you are pulling a Hugo...

Thinking objectively, doesn't it stand to reason, knowing how men and women act, that women would need more protection from men than vice versa?

And consider this: the one counter-example you might be inclined to bring up, Statutory Rape laws, are a double-edged sword: though they do imply that men are unable to control themselves with women under the age of 17, they also imply that women under the age of 17 are incapable of making an intelligent decision.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 11:36:54 PM »

This was the topic of one of my very first posts here:

http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=1215.msg77279#msg77279

And I still don't understand the difference, especially in this particular instance, where the girls depicted are clearly pre-pubescent.

Well, unfortunately, the letter of the law in the U.S. specifically calls for the use of a highly subjective method of determining if something is obscene or not (read the miller test link from above). That means that the same case with the same evidence can be argued with a dozen juries and they will all come out with a slightly different answer.

This basically means that there IS no clear *legal* answer. It is a huge and poorly thought out gray area that politically toxic because it pits the constitutional right to Freedom of Speech against the large number of zealots that fight against anything that might somehow be construed in any way of connecting children with sex. I might also add that these same zealots are helping fuel the fires behind the proposed laws for allowing the FCC et. al. to literally censor the internet as they see fit...which is my real beef with that particular group.

Anyway, I have to lean towards freedom of speech personally. Empirical evidence suggests there is no credible connection between actual child molesters and people who view erotic illustrations of underage children. I don't necessarily buy the counter-argument that it gives people a safe outlet to ease their sexual tensions relating to children either, but it is something to consider.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2011, 11:38:14 PM »

however if a person between the ages of 13 and 17 commit murder they have the possibility to be tried as an adult in adult courts
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« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2011, 12:01:23 AM »

Its pretty hard to argue that a child was coerced into murder. It is easy to say that they were coerced into sexual activity. In that case it comes into question what the actual reasons behind the murder were. Children are basically sociopaths up to a certain age. Once they develop a clear sense of morals it becomes clearer that they knowingly and willfully disobeyed the law. Drawing a parallel between children being tried as an adult for murder and their sexual maturity just doesn't work.
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« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2011, 01:02:15 AM »

i guess it must just simply be our "evolution" then since 100 years ago it was okay to marry someone at a young age yet today a person goes to prison just for speaking in a sexual tone

Maybe it is our minds haven't completely evolved with the laws that makes the stories and artwork appealing still
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 01:56:52 AM »

Personally, I just blame the Japanese.   emot_laughing


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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2011, 07:00:29 AM »

Per the US Supreme Court, DRAWINGS and STORIES are OK, but photos and CG (basically, anything that looks realistic) are NOT.  That puts KB and the Japanese cartoons in the "mostly harmless" category.

I don't have a problem with loli (or shotacon) if it stays in the fantasy realm.  Pedo on the other hand typically means kids, and I *do* have violence issues with that, as in "I'd like to shoot the bastards."

Per the Supreme Court, putting a kid's head on a naked adult body counts as pedo and is prosecuted.


We had an author over at Ravishu that was illustrating his stories using photos he'd Googled.  In one story involving young rape, he added a clothed picture of a kid to spice it up.  I felt it was in very poor taste, and neither the child NOR their parents would appreciate a photo of their kid showing up in a rape story on an adult forum.  I asked him to remove the pic before it became an ISSUE.  Putting a child's photo into a decidedly sexually-themed story was pushing it.  I don't care if it was a "royalty-free" photo, it's still in very poor taste and legally ambiguous.
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