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« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2012, 05:57:51 PM »

I am sure it would not take long to google up things just as outrageous said by some of the liberal Hollywood group.

OH... BY ALL MEANS... INDULGE US! PLEASE!

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http://www.examiner.com/article/liberals-on-twitter-respond-to-romney-s-rnc-speech-with-hate-death-threats

http://www.examiner.com/article/media-silent-as-liberals-on-twitter-call-for-ann-romney-s-death

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« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2012, 07:30:36 PM »

Conservatives are far more moderate in their positions than Joan's are.  Conservatives want slow change, or for things to remain the same.  Joan, by contrast, wants to turn back the clock in a big way.  She is actually a reactionary.

What are you talking about? In so far as you can define a liberal or conservative (it is a pretty abstract attribute and isn't always obvious even to the individual themselves) it's a black and white definition. You're either conservative or you're liberal, regardless of how extreme your views are.

There is left, centrist/moderate, and right, that label parts of the political spectrum.  I think this is what you mean GB.

Conservative and Liberal fall within the spectrum near the center.  It would be wrong to say that Liberals are Marxist-Lenninists, just because both generally fall on the left side.  Liberals have their own ideology guided by the principles of the enlightenment.

Likewise it would be wrong to say that conservatives are NAZI's just because both generally fall on the right side of the political spectrum.  One ideology is moderate and the other extreme.

Conservatives are generally defined as "not wanting change", or wanting to proceed slowly.  Reactionaries want to return to the past, often one that never really existed.

I label Joan as not a real conservative because her ideology is too extreme.

So who are real conservatives?  I would label the majority of Britain's Tories as such, and they are way to the left of today's Republican party.

And again, the majority of Americans self-identify as conservative, yet Barrack Obama was elected.  Clearly, today's Republican Party was too extreme for them.  But instead of waking up, the GOP has swung even further to the right.
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« Reply #17 on: September 09, 2012, 11:40:34 PM »


WELL DONE! Mad props and a WOO to you Sir. I think this insanity it is indicative of the desperation that has been created on both sides of the coin... It is so deeply "us VS them" that people are stupid enough to make death threats on public media.
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2012, 11:55:48 PM »

Still unable to list even one "conservative" as you describe conservative. Would prefer to list living active political and news reporters of import, Americans please... Something tells me you can name a hundred Liberals, all of whom are deemed right near the middle, as to reasonable politics... Do you see any fault with your thinking?

So there are Liberals, like yourself, Lois, who are nearly right in the middle, and whackos who are to the right of Liberals. Hmmm. Methinks you place yourself way too close to the "middle", whatever that is. Reminds me of someone seeking a list of the top 100 moderates, and along with the names, the stunning accomplishments of those folks... tough to pair...
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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2012, 12:05:26 AM »


WELL DONE! Mad props and a WOO to you Sir. I think this insanity it is indicative of the desperation that has been created on both sides of the coin... It is so deeply "us VS them" that people are stupid enough to make death threats on public media.

Except he said "liberal Hollywood group", and I did not recognize any of those twitter tweets as belonging to a group or anyone in Hollywood.  Also, as liberals oppose the death penalty, I doubt they were liberals either.  They were just wing-nuts.

But I still agree with Gia.  It is indicative of how polarized and insane US politics has become.
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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2012, 01:04:57 AM »

Conservatives are far more moderate in their positions than Joan's are.  Conservatives want slow change, or for things to remain the same.  Joan, by contrast, wants to turn back the clock in a big way.  She is actually a reactionary.

What are you talking about? In so far as you can define a liberal or conservative (it is a pretty abstract attribute and isn't always obvious even to the individual themselves) it's a black and white definition. You're either conservative or you're liberal, regardless of how extreme your views are.

There is left, centrist/moderate, and right, that label parts of the political spectrum.  I think this is what you mean GB.

Conservative and Liberal fall within the spectrum near the center.  It would be wrong to say that Liberals are Marxist-Lenninists, just because both generally fall on the left side.  Liberals have their own ideology guided by the principles of the enlightenment.

Likewise it would be wrong to say that conservatives are NAZI's just because both generally fall on the right side of the political spectrum.  One ideology is moderate and the other extreme.

Conservatives are generally defined as "not wanting change", or wanting to proceed slowly.  Reactionaries want to return to the past, often one that never really existed.

I label Joan as not a real conservative because her ideology is too extreme.

So who are real conservatives?  I would label the majority of Britain's Tories as such, and they are way to the left of today's Republican party.

And again, the majority of Americans self-identify as conservative, yet Barrack Obama was elected.  Clearly, today's Republican Party was too extreme for them.  But instead of waking up, the GOP has swung even further to the right.

No I try to mean what I say and say what I mean. The political spectrum is far from one-dimensional while whether or not someone is liberal or conservative absolutely is one-dimensional. In that sense, it is true to say that all conservatives are not fascists but since fascism was largely a conservative movement it is also true that the vast majority of fascists are conservative. The same is true of socialism and liberalism. It's a minor point but it makes any definition of a 'true' liberal or conservative meaningless.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2012, 06:31:08 AM »

I think I understand what you are saying GB.  But I am pointing to what conservative used to be with regards to American traditions.
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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2012, 12:37:03 PM »


WELL DONE! Mad props and a WOO to you Sir. I think this insanity it is indicative of the desperation that has been created on both sides of the coin... It is so deeply "us VS them" that people are stupid enough to make death threats on public media.

Except he said "liberal Hollywood group", and I did not recognize any of those twitter tweets as belonging to a group or anyone in Hollywood.  Also, as liberals oppose the death penalty, I doubt they were liberals either.  They were just wing-nuts.

But I still agree with Gia.  It is indicative of how polarized and insane US politics has become.


So you think it is impossible that someone that considers themselves a Democrat and a liberal would say something like that? Just wing-nuts? Yes, but there are wing-nuts that will vote for Obama as well as Romney and there is more than enough hate to go around from both sides.
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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2012, 01:08:21 PM »

Are you directing that to Lois or me?
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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2012, 01:15:35 PM »

Hate from the DNC.
Wonder why we never saw this on MSM?

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Death Threat From DNC Delegate: ‘Mitt Romney… I Would Like To Kill Him!’

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/freak-out-moment-of-the-democratic-convention-woman-screams-mitt-romney-i-would-like-to-kill-him/
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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2012, 01:17:28 PM »

Are you directing that to Lois or me?

It was Lois that seems to think any hate from the left are just wing-nuts while hate from the right is mainstream but I would welcome your reply. Love the new gif.
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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2012, 02:17:09 PM »

Lois tends to speak more in generalities than I do (no disrespect Lois, you know I love you!)

I will say, that it seems that this Puerto Rican woman in the video is not exactly a stable person. Her opinion is certainly not shared by ANYONE I speak to on a frequent or infrequent basis.

Yet she said it - on camera. Oh well!

Bottom line - I have posted on this subject in another pointless debate with Joan a couple months ago. My position is that although it does indeed happen on the left, the frequency and commonality of violent and ugly statements is far more tipped to the right side of the political spectrum... I have posted photo after photo (in this thread and others) of horrible signs, bumper stickers and a lengthy list of hate driven websites threatening the POTUS and horrible racial garbage being spewed.

While I do not deny the existence of left wing nutters and more than our fair share of whack-jobs (those with or without tinfoil helmets) I think most level headed Americans (AND THE ENTIRE REST OF THE WORLD) see the abundance of whackos in the extreme right... Birthers, Teabillys, 2nd Amendment fear mongers, etc...

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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2012, 02:23:45 PM »

Well it stands to reason that there would be greater fear and loathing of what is different on the right than on the left given the nature of both sides. Equally, the left is far more condescending of the right than the reverse. Those that spout either the hateful or belittling comments are the worst representatives of both sides and judging an entire group of people based on their worst members is dangerous territory.
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« Reply #28 on: September 10, 2012, 02:33:44 PM »

Equally, the left is far more condescending of the right than the reverse.

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