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Reply #440 on: March 18, 2016, 08:03:58 AM
The right’s shocking admission: Stunned by Trump’s dominance, some GOP pundits concede that Dems have been right about Republicans all along
Longtime Republicans are questioning the party's broader strategy as Trump has exposed its inner rot
SEAN ILLING

“America’s in the middle of a real political storm — a real tsunami — and we should have seen this coming.” – Marco Rubio

It was always inevitable, I suppose. The Republican Party has debased itself for decades – courting racists, placating religious lunatics, and using the culture wars as a political wedge. Candidates like Donald Trump and Ted Cruz and Sarah Palin are natural outgrowths of this conservative ecosystem; they’re exactly what you’d expect it to produce.

This is the climate Republicans have cultivated, and what we’re seeing now is the logical conclusion of those efforts.

The GOP establishment continues to eat itself from within, as officials scramble to make sense of it all. You might call it an identity crisis of sorts. Longtime Republicans are now questioning the party’s broader strategy. Here’s Bret Stephens, a conservative columnist for the Wall Street Journal:

“Liberals may have been fond of claiming that Republicans were all closet bigots and that tax cuts were a form of racial prejudice, but the accusation rang hollow because the evidence for it was so tendentious. Not anymore. The candidacy of Donald Trump is the open sewer of American conservatism…It would be terrible to think that the left was right about the right all these years.”

Terrible indeed, but no less true. Here’s a similar Tweet by Max Boot, a neoconservative hawk and prominent Republican intellectual: “I’m a lifelong Republican but Trump surge proves that every bad Democrats have ever said about GOP is basically true.” Welcome to the club, Max. Happy to have you.

In addition to embracing the worst elements of its base, the GOP also blundered in its strategic decision to cede the business of governing to Democrats and focus instead on obstructing President Obama. “Our top political priority over the next two years,” Republican Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell famously said in 2010, “should be to deny President Obama a second term.”

One of the less incoherent objections Trumpites raise against the Republican Party is that it hasn’t delivered on any of its promises. Legislatively, the GOP has been virtually useless. Election after election, session after session, Republicans have failed to pass any meaningful pieces of legislation, which is what happens when compromise becomes a heresy in your party.

The GOP’s stated strategy – at least since Obama was elected – has been to create gridlock, to make the country ungovernable. Recall how they used the nation’s credit rating to blackmail the opposing party, not to accomplish anything but to score points with their purist base. And just this week, we have the nihilsm of a Republican senate, led by McConnell, refusing to do its job and consider President Obama’s Supreme Court nomination. The bogus talking point is that the people’s voice ought to be heard before choosing a new Justice. But the people already spoke in the last election, when they gave Obama a second term. But that doesn’t matter because McConnell is hostage to the Tea Party reactionaries that dominate the Republican-led Congress. This is the kind of bureaucratic inertia Americans are rejecting.

In their bottomless cynicism, Republicans have tried to break the government so that they could then reproach the Democrats for ruining it. This worked temporarily, but it was bound to backfire at some point.

Now something like 87 percent of the country disapproves of the job Congress is doing. Republicans wagered that the country would blame Obama for the mess they manufactured. Instead, their base is – rightly – blaming the GOP establishment, and Donald Trump is delivering the message. Trump voters hate Obama, of course, but not nearly as much as they do their own party.

The GOP committed itself to grievance politics and a strategy of political arson years ago. Had they gone another way, had they been serious about the difficult work of governance, Donald Trump would not have devoured their party this cycle. Once again, he’s their Frankenstein, and no one in the party can stop him.

Our only hope is that the Democrats will.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/17/the_rights_shocking_admission_stunned_by_trumps_dominance_some_gop_pundits_concede_that_dems_have_been_right_about_republicans_all_along/



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Reply #441 on: March 18, 2016, 10:29:15 AM
 Loser RINOs and leftists are always welcome on the Sunday shows. There is no H8 in the Trump Campaign, no Racism, no Violence, and Republicans do not Riot...

  The closest history in the 20th Century to a R riot was when nasty Democrat lawyers and party brass stole the "chads", and locked Republican observers out of a room, so they could begin a secret count of select precincts in Florida, and not recount the entire State, as the Officials had ordered.

  Some called that the "Brooks Brothers Riot", as the winning lawyers gathered and expressed outrage outside the locked room. Few media covered it. That is about it,
since the 19th Century at least. All the innuendo thrown at Republicans belongs with the Democrats history, including the KKK, Chicago 1968, firehoses on demonstrators and more and Democrats, with the Press (sorry for being redundant) hide this very effectively. May the various Democrat Grand Wizard elected officials rest in peace.

  Democrats riot, and are good at it... witness Chicago in general and especially a week or so ago when largely minority thugs put their lack of English communication skills behind them, and lock stepped to prevent local Chicago merchants from benefitting with the planned downtown Trump Campaign venue there.

  Ferguson, St. Louis, and Baltimore are only a few recent examples, and we won't detail all the dead Police Officers since President Obama gave his support to Skip Gates, Treyvon (who lurked, waited to beat up who he thought was the gay guy), Occupy Movement, BlackLivesMatter and others of these Soros funded, over and over, the past 7 years.

  Question: when the Democrat Party steals the Nomination from Bernie this summer, will it be Republicans who riot, or Democrats, inside and outside the venue?

  Odds, anyone?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2016, 10:42:09 AM by joan1984 »

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Reply #442 on: March 18, 2016, 03:25:55 PM
The demand for orthodoxy by the extreme right wing conservative apologists is very reminiscent of another political group which demands it and punishes those who stray from the path.

No, I am NOT Godwining the thread.

The other political entity is the Communist party, which uses the same tactics and requires the same unthinking adherence to party line.

Both the Soviets under Stalin, and the Chicoms are the parallel to the Republican Party.

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Reply #443 on: March 18, 2016, 03:51:23 PM
 Loser RINOs and leftists are always welcome on the Sunday shows. There is no H8 in the Trump Campaign, no Racism, no Violence, and Republicans do not Riot...

Dude, you seriously need to quit huffing paint.




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Reply #444 on: March 18, 2016, 04:38:40 PM
When Joan is stabbing and shooting demonstrators for her glorious leader, she will still insist that Republicans do not riot.  :emot_laughing:



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Reply #445 on: April 06, 2016, 06:35:57 AM



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Reply #446 on: April 06, 2016, 02:49:09 PM

Mississippi GOP governor signs law allowing businesses to refuse service to gay people



Personally, I don't think there's a whole lot to worry about here. On the one hand, as Liz points out, the law will be appealed, up the the Supreme Court. On the other hand, severe economic pressure will be brought to bear, as it has in other states that passed, or debated, similar laws. For example, the governor of Georgia vetoed a similar bill, not because he objected to it (he hadn't the slightest objection, in theory), but because he realized the attending loss of revenue was a far worse fate. And the same is currently happening in North Carolina.

At the same time, I think the most interesting part of the article is this:

The law also says that government employees who authorize or issue marriage licenses or perform marriages can recuse themselves due to their beliefs, so long as these licenses and marriages are “not impeded or delayed as a result of any recusal.”


Well, yes, that's exactly the right step. And the same recusal should occur in private businesses as well.









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Reply #447 on: April 06, 2016, 06:32:51 PM
What happens if someone claims that their religious beliefs allow them to refuse service to a racial, ethnic, or religious group?
This is a slippery slope.

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Reply #448 on: April 06, 2016, 07:24:30 PM

What happens if someone claims that their religious beliefs allow them to refuse service to a racial, ethnic, or religious group?

This is a slippery slope.


Not sure if you're responding to me or not, but my point was that an individual may refuse to perform a given service based on personal religious beliefs, but a business may not. Thus, the baker who believes it violates his religious beliefs to bake the homo wedding cake gets another baker in the store to do it, etc.

Besides, these aren't really "religious" beliefs, but socio-political beliefs...






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Reply #449 on: April 06, 2016, 08:13:08 PM

Besides, these aren't really "religious" beliefs, but socio-political beliefs...


Aren't the two intertwined? Religious beliefs and socio-political beliefs? 

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Reply #450 on: April 07, 2016, 12:31:45 AM

Besides, these aren't really "religious" beliefs, but socio-political beliefs...


Aren't the two intertwined? Religious beliefs and socio-political beliefs? 

Good point.

Yes, they are intertwined, and that, I think, is the problem. Religious beliefs are twisted to support socio-political beliefs. Thus, to take the issue at hand, Conservative religious believers are against marriage equality, and liberal religious believers support marriage equality. And both pose in in terms of religious, and not political beliefs.

I am, as I've noted many times here, a firm believer in religious liberty and freedom from government interference in religious belief and exercise. You know, the whole First Amendment thing. But laws like this, posed as supporting religious beliefs, actually violate them -- and, of course, they violate basic civil rights as well.






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Reply #451 on: April 07, 2016, 12:54:05 AM
They actually violate their own religion as well.

Anybody that actually knows their bible knows that the hateful intolerance spouted by the fundamentalist christians is old testament commandments, commandments which the new testament deliberately overturn.

For instance, Exodus 21:24 says "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth", bu that is completely overturned by Matthew 5:38-42;
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“You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’ But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also. And if anyone wants to sue you and take your shirt, hand over your coat as well. If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles.  Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."

If you consider yourself a believing christian, you must accept that the coming of Jesus fulfilled the OT, and the commandments of the NT supersede the commandments of the OT.

That means the attitude of a christian should be one of acceptance and love [agape] of all.  Discrimination and exclusion are not traits professed, modelled or commanded by Jesus or his disciples.

If you encounter a nominal christian who is anti-gay, ask them when they converted to Judaism...







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Reply #452 on: May 19, 2016, 06:13:57 AM
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

See what happens when you disdain 'book learning'?

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Reply #453 on: May 23, 2016, 05:37:05 AM
Expanding on what Toe posted about the Texas GOP platform:
Quote from: Texas GOP
We support the repeal of the 17th Amendment of the United States Constitution and the appointment of United States Senators by the state legislatures.

Pursuant to Article 1 Section 1 of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, Federally mandated legislation, which infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas, should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified. Regulation of Commerce in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution has exceeded the original intent. All attempts by the federal judiciary to rule in areas not expressly enumerated by the United States Constitution should be likewise nullified. Any federal enforcement activities that do occur in Texas should be conducted under the authority of the county sheriff.

We oppose the appointment of unelected bureaucrats and we support defunding and abolishing the departments or agencies of the Internal Revenue Service, Education, Energy, Housing and Urban Development, Commerce, Health and Human Services, Labor, and Interior (specifically, the Bureau of Land Management), Transportation, Security Administration, Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, and National Labor Relations Board. In the interim, executive decisions by departments or agencies must be reviewed and approved by Congress before taking effect.

Homosexuality is a chosen behavior that is contrary to the fundamental unchanging truths that has been ordained by God in the Bible, recognized by our nation's founders, and shared by the majority of Texans. Homosexuality must not be presented as an acceptable alternative lifestyle, in public policy, nor should family be redefined to include homosexual couples. We oppose the granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. We oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality out of faith, conviction, or belief in traditional values.

We oppose environmentalism that obstructs legitimate business interests and private property use, including the regulatory taking of property by governmental agencies. We oppose the abuse of the Endangered Species Act to confiscate and limit the use of personal property and infringement on property owner's livelihood. "Climate Change" is a political agenda promoted to control every aspect of our lives. We support the defunding of "climate justice" initiatives and the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency and repeal of the Endangered Species Act.

We support the return to the precious metal standard for the United States dollar.

We support the repeal of the Community Reinvestment Act.

Call for a limited Article V convention of states for the specific purpose of restricting the power of the federal government, including the implementation of term limits, and balanced budget amendment. Any proposed amendments must be ratified by 3⁄4 of the states.

It is rare to see such stupidity done publically. The elimination of the IRS, by itself is so detrimental to the economy, maintenance of roads, harbors and waterways, not to mention border and military installations here.

The support for the elimination of the 17th amendment and appoint federal senators by the state legislatures, and in the the third paragraph opposing the appointment of unelected bureaucrats is diametrically opposite policies.

The stupid is strong in these people.

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Reply #454 on: May 23, 2016, 08:16:30 PM
Wasn't Texas planning on leaving the United States not too long ago?  From reading what their GOP platform has written, they might as well leave.

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Reply #455 on: May 23, 2016, 08:50:07 PM
Like I said, the stupid is strong in these people. They don't look for connections and consequences.

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Reply #456 on: July 15, 2016, 04:26:26 PM
Wasn't Texas planning on leaving the United States not too long ago?  From reading what their GOP platform has written, they might as well leave.

Yeah, They wanted to join Mexico........... :emot_laughing:

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Reply #457 on: July 15, 2016, 04:39:59 PM
Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S. to see if they believe in Sharia

And if they do, he says, they should be deported.  But what about those that are already US citizens?  Will there be concentration camps?



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Reply #458 on: July 15, 2016, 04:42:54 PM

And if they do, he says, they should be deported.  But what about those that are already US citizens?  Will there be concentration camps?

Ask The Japanese in California (1941 - 1945).
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Reply #459 on: July 15, 2016, 04:49:23 PM
Newt Gingrich: Test every Muslim in U.S. to see if they believe in Sharia

And if they do, he says, they should be deported.  But what about those that are already US citizens?  Will there be concentration camps?

No, they will have to watch videos of Newt in the buff pleasuring the ladies though.