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Reply #60 on: April 08, 2014, 04:51:36 PM
It seems there are new protests in the Eastern Ukraine demanding unification with Russia.  Some believe these protests are led by outsiders backed by Putin.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/08/300492458/ukraine-forcibly-removes-kharkiv-protesters-other-standoffs-continue
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Reply #61 on: April 08, 2014, 05:42:45 PM
It seems there are new protests in the Eastern Ukraine demanding unification with Russia.  Some believe these protests are led by outsiders backed by Putin.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/04/08/300492458/ukraine-forcibly-removes-kharkiv-protesters-other-standoffs-continue



From a CNN Breaking News Alert I just received:

"Secretary of State John Kerry said today that Russian forces and special agents are behind what he called the "chaos" in eastern Ukraine in the past 24 hours. Kerry described the developments as "more than deeply disturbing" and said they amounted to what could be a "contrived pretext for military intervention just as we saw in Crimea."

Pro-Russian protesters seized government buildings in the cities of Donetsk, Luhansk and Kharkiv on Sunday. Rebels occupying Donetsk's regional government building Monday declared a "people's republic" and called for a referendum on secession from Ukraine to be held by May 11."





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Reply #62 on: April 13, 2014, 03:17:21 PM
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-ukraine-crisis-20140413,0,2564058.story?track=rss

SLAVIANSK, Ukraine—


Ukrainian security forces launched an operation Sunday to clear pro-Russian separatists from a police headquarters in the eastern city of Slaviansk, with Kiev reporting dead on both sides as it combats what it calls an act of aggression by Moscow.

Ukraine faces a rash of rebellions in the east which it says are inspired and directed by the Kremlin. But action to dislodge the armed militants risks tipping the stand-off into a new, dangerous phase as Moscow has warned it will protect the region's Russian-speakers if they come under attack.

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One Ukrainian state security officer was killed and five wounded on the government side in what interior minister Arsen Avakov called Sunday's "anti-terrorist" operation.

"There were dead and wounded on both sides," Avakov said on his Facebook page, adding that there had been an "unidentifiable number" of casualties among the separatists, who were being supported by about 1,000 people.

Kiev accuses Moscow of trying to deepen violence and chaos in Ukraine, a former Soviet republic it once ruled. The Kremlin, it says, wants to undermine the legitimacy of presidential elections May 25 which aim to set the country back onto a normal path after months of turmoil.

Relations between Russia and the West are at their worst since the end of the Cold War, the result of the crisis that began when the Moscow-backed Ukrainian president was pushed out and Russia annexed Crimea from Ukraine.

Moscow justified sending its military into Crimea, on Ukraine's southern tip, by saying the Russian population there was under threat, and some in Western governments believe the Kremlin is preparing a similar scenario for eastern Ukraine.

A Reuters reporter in Slaviansk, about 90 miles from the Ukraine-Russia border, said two military helicopters were flying over the town's police headquarters where the militants were holed up.

Kiev warning

Earlier, Avakov had warned residents to stay indoors. "Pass this on to all civilians: they should leave the center of town, not come out of their apartments, and not go near the windows," he wrote on his Facebook page.

In the nearby town of Kramatorsk, militants exchanged gunfire with police late Saturday, though there was no confirmation anyone had been hurt.

In Washington, the White House expressed concern that the seizures of public buildings in eastern Ukraine could be a prelude to a Russian military incursion, though Moscow has strenuously denied any such intention.

"We call on President (Vladimir) Putin and his government to cease all efforts to destabilize Ukraine, and we caution against further military intervention," said Laura Lucas Magnuson, spokeswoman for the White House National Security Council.

U.S. Vice President Joe Biden will travel to Kiev on April 22, becoming the most senior U.S. official to visit the country since the crisis began there.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said it was Ukraine's Western-leaning government, viewed by the Kremlin as illegitimate, that was stoking the tensions.

Any use of force against Russian speakers "would undermine the potential for cooperation" between Moscow and Western powers over Ukraine, Lavrov said in a statement after a telephone call with his U.S. counterpart John Kerry.

United Nations Secretary-General Ban ki-Moon said in a statement he was deeply concerned about the deteriorating situation in eastern Ukraine and "the growing potential for violent clashes."

Kiev's shaky control

The crisis over Ukraine could trigger a "gas war," disrupting supplies of Russian natural gas to customers across Europe. Moscow has said it may be forced to sever deliveries to Ukraine--the transit route for much of Europe's gas--unless Kiev settles its debts.

For now though the focus of the crisis was in eastern Ukraine, the country's industrial heartland where many people feel a close affinity with neighboring Russia.

won't be long now. wonder who's next?

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Reply #63 on: April 13, 2014, 11:44:33 PM
won't be long now. wonder who's next?

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Reply #64 on: April 14, 2014, 04:48:08 AM
Do you think we could get him to annex Alabama and Louisiana?

Maybe Canada can get him to annex Quebec?

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Reply #65 on: April 14, 2014, 04:49:55 AM
Let's give them Knoxville, TN for good measure.  We no longer keep our gold there.



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Reply #66 on: April 14, 2014, 04:52:17 PM
Geessshhhhhh.......What's with all you people??
If you are going to give away anything.....I say let him have "Detroit".
(and also a bottle of asprin with Detroit).
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Reply #68 on: April 15, 2014, 12:25:44 AM
hey,, if Detroit is next, we must throw in fox news to sweeten the pot. 

well, let's not mess with the pot!

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Reply #69 on: April 15, 2014, 02:35:59 AM
Wadda they need Faux News for?  They've already got RT.



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Reply #70 on: April 15, 2014, 03:50:22 PM
Let's give them Knoxville, TN for good measure.  We no longer keep our gold there.

We keep our gold at Fort Knox, Kentucky.

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Reply #72 on: April 18, 2014, 07:05:29 PM
looks like Putin's having a grand time at the expense of the west.

1) saying Obama will save him if he is drowning (sarcasm perhaps?)

2) first saying the "men in black" in Crimea are not Russian. now admitting they were.

3) now saying the "men in black in E. Ukraine are not Russian.

4) working with the west to stand down the Ukranian situation.  Obama saying this will buy  time, and the " men in black digging in.

5) 40,000 Russian troops still on the border.

sheesh


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Reply #73 on: April 19, 2014, 12:05:01 AM
Nuke 'em from orbit.

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Reply #74 on: April 19, 2014, 12:10:43 AM
@ Anvil:

What is your source regarding the men in black (snipers).  A left-wing nut on another site claimed they were fascist extremists aligned with the Ukrainians and posted a video.  But the video's sound, including the voices of the snipers, were all in Russian, and not Ukrainian. (Yes, I can tell the difference.) 



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Reply #75 on: April 19, 2014, 05:00:29 AM
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Reply #76 on: April 19, 2014, 05:09:52 AM
I don't know if we can do that,Katiebee, 'cause we would need the Russians to launch them into orbit.  somebody canceled the space program. so we need the Russian space taxi to get em up there.

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Reply #77 on: April 19, 2014, 05:40:51 AM
We still have a few rockets left. But I'm certain they'd do it for a few million dollars.

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Reply #79 on: April 28, 2014, 12:54:39 AM
this is a long article, so I'm only posting the Addy.

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2014/04/27/pro-russia-militia-displays-captured-ukrainians


assuming, which I believe, that Russia is behind this and the "men in black" are Russian nationals, they are upping the ante.

Putin is playing this like a rules lawyer in a miniatures game. spoiled it for everybody.

the author notes they are dressed in black Balaklava's.

I mm retesting as the Brits,French and Turks kicked Russian ass at the battle of Balaklava 25 Oct 1854.

where's the thin red line when you need it. 

oh yes, let's not forget the gallant charge of the light brigade either. 
 

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