No ID - No Problem - La Raza Posts Guide

[joan1984]

Glow worms, lol... Count me as one who 'interpreted' the original article as subversion by The Washington Post, and it's broadcast by La Raza as encouraging sedition. What other purpose would La Raza have to call attention to the roadmap for a voter who shoul dnot be there?

La Raza has something going for it, with at least two ex-top or maybe current top La Raza executives active in this President's close adviser list. The Administration is spending your tax dollars on Spanish TV ads promoting health care, for a program that supposedly assured the supposed concerned Dem Senators that no non-citizen would be covered for health care by the U.S. Government.

After multiple counts, and lots of time, the deciding Senator Al Franken gave us Obamacare, which no one can claim to fully grasp what is in that bill... unless you count the President, who applies and moves bill money and deadlines at will to suit his political reasoning.
Who elected Al Franken? Where did the changing totals come from?
Dont tell me a few votes cannot make a difference, and it is no matter who does any voting.

Each of the Senators that year can claim, and need to defend, that they were the deciding vote that brought us Obamacare, and all that goes with it. If you want to keep your plan, you can keep your plan... duh. No matter...

Inconvenient facts are just that, and there is no rewriting of the Wash Post Roadmap to illegal voters article, promoted by as Unamerican an organization as you can find in the long fought 'open borders' issue.
Voter ID is essential for the assurance of integrity of the vote, and the fight by Dems to prevent such assurance is appalling. La Raza can be expected to be La Raza, they hide nothing about their goals.
Democrats, and the mainstream press, but I am being redundant, promotion of lack of vote integrity as a National Policy is the problem.

  And how is quoting and referring to a Washington Post article being distributed by La Raza (The Race), the most prominent advocate of non-citizen Hispanic aliens, legal or otherwise, who are by definition not allowed to vote, no matter their background, race, gender, or whatever, regardless of their ID, racist?

  The article listed the 'map' of where ID was more or less likely to be checked by the poll workers. How could this information be of value to any non-citizens at all, let alone be considered racist by anyone, since the use of such data by the vast majority of those paying any attention to La Raza would not be relevant, unless one wanted to employ some nefarious scheme. As we all know, that never happens.

  Facts are not racist, no matter what the fact. Right?

You're right, facts are facts.

However, when interpreted, spun, and re-packaged, facts become opinions.

That there are some states that require a photo ID to vote and some that do not is a fact.

That the Washington Post published an article detailing which states are which, which La Raza subsequently reproduced, is a fact.

The Daily Caller spin on these facts, and your re-positioning these facts, is opinion.

As Katie points out, La Raza is neither "the most prominent advocate of non-citizen Hispanic aliens" (you) nor "the country’s foremost pro-amnesty Hispanic immigrant organization" (Daily Caller). La Raza is an Hispanic rights and advocacy organization that's been around for about a half-century.

Thus, the Daily Caller piece is doubly racist: it assumes that La Raza is promoting illegal voting and, more to the point, it assumes that all Hispanics are illegal, or at least potentially illegal.

Think I'm exaggerating? Just read any of the 4,357 (!) comments from right-wing glow worms after the article.  That's how they've interpreted it, exactly as The Daily Caller intended.

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[Katiebee]

More Chicken Little posts. Conservatives are extremely paranoid, seeing all sorts of sordid things, in clouds, in shadows, in places that aren't even there.

[joan1984]

Sometimes there really is something happening, and it is so obvious as to question those who choose to ignore it.

I would go further than most of the proposals have, with a camera record of all who pass through a restricted to U.S. Citizens only access area, and followup to chase down those who lie about their eligibility to vote. Raising the violation to a Felony, with deportation the consequence, with no more time, no more hearings, no more nothing. Settle any appeals while in their native country, never leaving the sight of INS if there are issues to be settled.

No bail, go directly to jail, do not collect $200...

Good use for Guantanamo, which could use a few more folks the the culturally sensitive dining there. A slow boat there via Navy would be a wise investment, and from there folks could be sorted, and shipped off on another slow boat to their birthplace... or if they were US born, say Felons or others who do not merit a vote, their disposition could be determined, whether prison or otherwise... Maybe Liberia owes us a few favors, and would take them off our hands, cause they ain't welcome here.

In fact, maybe a Ebola holding pen there could be worked out as well.
And we could even take advantage of the nearby excellent free and abundant Healthcare the Castro brothers seem to be famous for among lefties. Let them ride bikes among the native population there.

More Chicken Little posts. Conservatives are extremely paranoid, seeing all sorts of sordid things, in clouds, in shadows, in places that aren't even there.

[MissBarbara]

More Chicken Little posts. Conservatives are extremely paranoid, seeing all sorts of sordid things, in clouds, in shadows, in places that aren't even there.

And I knew that Obama butthurt was lurking just behind the assertions. Thanks for finally bringing it out in the open, Joan!

[Katiebee]

And the next thing a conservative leaps to is an authoritarian solution to the perceived issues. Drop all pretense to rule of law and just do things to people.

[joan1984]

  If you believe President Obama cares about much he talks about, rather then just talks about stuff to fit his agenda, you cannot be helped and I certainly hope you never need such awareness.

  Go get those millions of good paying green jobs, the ones your tax dollars were to be "invested" to achieve, back when that was the story he and his acolytes were hanging their hat upon... long gone now, and hey, WTF, what me worry?

  What part of Authoritarian are you missing with our present situation? Think about it. All we have a RIGHT to expect is Constitutional government, rule of law, and what used to be normal for American citizens, and now we are left wanting.

  Race baiting is in full force, for the next few days, as the likes of Rep. Charles Rangel and many many other racist Democrats ply their trade, trying to stampede some friendly turnout next Tuesday. Was Ebola the October surprise? I think not, at least not the planned one.
Two failed aerospace launches in just a few days? Largely being passed on by the usual suspects.

  Good news, with no evident Presidential leadership, our Marine held by Mexico for the past seven months gained a promise of release this evening, expected to come prior to November 4th it seems. Should get those corpsssss men juiced up for O... or not... they are looking forward to their future as climate change warriors, so preoccupied.
Hope their votes get counted this time.

[Lois]

Conservatives believe that voter fraud is going on. But I believe the real problem is that of projection: They are committing widespread fraud, so the democrats must be doing it too, right?


40,000 Voter Registrations Have Mysteriously Vanished, Could Determine Control Of The Senate
BY ALICE OLLSTEIN

ATLANTA, GEORGIA—A court could decide any day now whether tens of thousands of Georgia voters can cast a ballot this November, a choice that could sway the outcome of the state’s neck-and-neck races for Governor and Senator.

Earlier this year, organizers fanned out across nearly every one of Georgia’s 159 counties and registered nearly 90 thousand people who have never voted in their lives, most of them people of color, many of them under 25 years old. But when the groups checked back in late August, comparing their registration database to the state’s public one, they noticed about 50,000 of the registrations had vanished, nearly all of them belonging to people of color in the Democratic-leaning regions around Atlanta, Savannah and Columbus.

Georgia’s state minority leader Stacy Abrams (D), whose group The New Georgia Project led the massive registration drive in March and April, told ThinkProgress what happened next was “deeply disturbing.”

“We asked the Secretary of State to meet with us. We wanted to understand if we were doing something wrong, or if there was another database we didn’t have access to. But he refused to meet with us,” she said.

Joined by the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law and the Georgia NAACP, the organizers asked twice more for a meeting about the missing registrations. When early voting began across the state and they still had not heard from the Secretary of State, the New Georgia Project took them to court. In arguments on Friday, Francys Johnson, president of the Georgia NAACP, asked Fulton County Superior Court Judge Christopher Brasher to compel the state to process every valid registration.

“In 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012, we were only able to know there were problems when it was too late, when people started showing up to the polls and they were not on the voter rolls, and folks were already disenfranchised,” Johnson explained to ThinkProgress over the phone. “We must catch that disenfranchisement before it takes place.”

Lawyers for Republican Secretary of State Brian Kemp and three counties who are also the target of the suit countered that state law sets no deadlines for processing voter registrations, and emphasized that any voter unsure of their registration status can always cast a provisional ballot. Those who do so must return within three days to present additional documentation or otherwise cure any problem with the system. But the NAACP and New Georgia Project called this remedy “unacceptable.”

“I cannot tell you what little return we actually see in terms of provisional ballots,” Johnson said. “The election is decided the night of the election. It’s not really a ballot at all.”

Even if every one of the registrations in limbo does get processed and added to the voter rolls by Election Day, Johnson says the uncertainty has still been “problematic.” Because the 40,000-odd voters have not yet received their registration cards in the mail that tells them which precinct they’re assigned to, “this ambiguity may discourage people from going to out to vote, and those who do go won’t know where to go, and they’ll be shuffled around from polling place to polling place.”

Amidst this chaos, the Secretary of State publicly accused the New Georgia Project in September of submitting fraudulent registration forms. A subsequent investigation found just 25 confirmed forgeries out of more than 85,000 forms—a fraud rate of about 3/100ths of 1 percent.

Abrams explained to ThinkProgress that all other third party registration groups must submit every form they get no matter if it’s incomplete or forged. She characterized the subpoena and accusations as an attempt to intimidate and discredit her efforts.

“If you accuse people of fraud, the public will believe there is fraud, just like if you yell ‘fire,’ people run,” she said. “The problem is, if there is no fire, you’re causing damage, and if there is no fraud, you’ve damaged reputations.”

Dr. Francys Johnson agreed, but ThinkProgress the accusations have not worked as the state may have intended.

“If they thought it would have a chilling effect on voter registration efforts, they were mistaken. It has emboldened our efforts. It has awakened the consciousness of people that the right to vote is still precariously endangered.”

The legal battle comes at a pivotal time for the state of Georgia. The state’s African-American, Latino, Asian and Native American populations have grown extensively, as has their share of the electorate. The growth is dramatic enough that many political analysts predict the state’s political identity could swing from red to blue over the next few years.

At the same time these changes were taking place, the state enacted measures courts have found to disproportionately impact voters of color. In 2006, Georgia enacted a “strict” voter ID law. Five years later the state cut the number of days of early voting. In 2012, the Secretary of State purged thousands of voters from the rolls a few months before the presidential election. Just last month, the same Secretary of State lamented before an audience of Republican activists that the registration of more voters of color would mean a win for Democrats.

Abrams told ThinkProgress she launched the registration effort to make sure the officials in local, state and national office actually represented the people of the state.

“We are facing a new Georgia: demographically, politically, economically, and socially,” she said. “We should all be engaged in a process to bring them into the civic conversation. It is dangerous, no matter your party, to have large swaths of your population disengaged and disaffected.”

A ruling from Judge Brasher could come at any time, and based on his remarks during Friday’s hearing, Abrams says she is not optimistic for a ruling in her favor. The New Georgia Project can appeal, but with the election less than two weeks away, the window is getting narrow for forcing the state to process the registrations.

Even as she vowed to continue reaching out over the coming years to the hundreds of thousands of remaining unregistered voters in Georgia, Abrams said her “deepest fear” is that many of the newly registered young voters will by turned off voting for life if they can’t cast a regular ballot this November.

“Fast-forward ten years, and you’ll have a majority-minority population that has even less power than it has right now, because they’ll have become so disengaged, ” she warned. “And the people with power will solidify that power and put up barriers to any possible change.”

One concrete way this could happen is the next time the state revises its voting maps, in 2020. The governor elected in 2018 will have the final say on those maps, which could be gerrymandered to benefit one political party for many years to come.

[Lois]

Personally I think there are some other issues that are far more worrying than  imaginary legions of foreigners voting.

According to a January 2012 study from the Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance, the United States ranks 120th of the 169 countries for which data exists on voter turnout, falling between the Dominican Republic and Benin.

About 40 percent of eligible voters don't even vote, a lower percentage than in most other Western democracies.

Experts say this is a result of the inconvenience of voting and the reality that each individual vote doesn't count for much.

[Athos_131]

  Race baiting is in full force,

Especially in this thread.

[joan1984]

  Being a Mexican national is not a "race". Diversity among Mexican nationals as to easily discernable "race" features, is negligible, although the language spoken can differentiate when compared to other North Americans I suppose, say Canadians...

  Same with all those grouped as "hispanic" by our Federal Government, and largely considered by some as "race"... the language spoken, the geography from which they come is no more racial, than being Italian, or being French, or from Spain, or being whatever one wishes.

  So, non-citizen aliens presently in the United States, and discussion of activity or interests they may or may not enjoy related to their inability to vote for elected offices in our National government, is not a race based dialog, and by definition not racist.

  Everything that happens to span across those of various races could have racial aspects, and all things with racial components are not necessarily 'racist'.

  Individuals may disagree among themselves, on lots of topics, and no effective dialog can be had, leading to little learning from sharing of opinions, if polarization is the preferred stance by any side in such a discussion.

  As Confucius may have said, or maybe Liddy Dole, look it up...: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

[Katiebee]

So you are changing the topic?

[anvil]

what comes around goes around.

leave us to remember one of the original issues in the Mexican territory of Texas was the influx of illegal immigrants from the US.   

[watcher1]

 

  As Confucius may have said, or maybe Liddy Dole, look it up...: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

lol, don't know about Confucious saying that line but know it was said in the movie, Platoon.

[MissBarbara]

  Being a Mexican national is not a "race". Diversity among Mexican nationals as to easily discernable "race" features, is negligible, although the language spoken can differentiate when compared to other North Americans I suppose, say Canadians...

  Same with all those grouped as "hispanic" by our Federal Government, and largely considered by some as "race"... the language spoken, the geography from which they come is no more racial, than being Italian, or being French, or from Spain, or being whatever one wishes.

  So, non-citizen aliens presently in the United States, and discussion of activity or interests they may or may not enjoy related to their inability to vote for elected offices in our National government, is not a race based dialog, and by definition not racist.

  Everything that happens to span across those of various races could have racial aspects, and all things with racial components are not necessarily 'racist'.

  Individuals may disagree among themselves, on lots of topics, and no effective dialog can be had, leading to little learning from sharing of opinions, if polarization is the preferred stance by any side in such a discussion.

  As Confucius may have said, or maybe Liddy Dole, look it up...: Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

Joan, this is a masterpiece of deliberate obfuscation, so props for that.

You write, "Being a Mexican national is not a "race". Diversity among Mexican nationals as to easily discernable [sic] "race" features, is negligible."

We can debate whether being Hispanic is a race or a definition of cultural/ethnic heritage or ancestry, we can debate the absurdity of the U.S. Census Bureau's delineation of race, and we can debate whether distinguishing features among "Mexican nationals" are, in fact, discernible. It's all irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

My original assertion remains. Neither you nor anyone else can tell, at a glance, if the Hispanic guy walking down the street is an is an illegal immigrant, a legal resident, or a native-born citizen whose ancestors have been in this country for generations. The line of assertion that you introduced in this thread leads directly to the assumption that all Hispanics are potential illegal immigrants, and thus criminals.

Attributing to a whole group the misdeeds of a minority of that group is the textbook definition of racism.

Again, just read the comments after the Daily Caller piece, and there's all the proof you need.

[joan1984]

  So you had to go beyond The Washington Post roadmap to NO ID CHECK VOTING, and beyond the extreme leftist, anti United States activist and embraced by this Administration radical group's promotion of the Washington Post guide for voting for the undocumented, and beyond my initial comments calling this tripe to KB users attention, and kept reading until you found some anonymous internet poster's comments you presume are coming from other than partisan Democrat sources, to call my post RACIST.

  Sort of like when Lois repeatedly says her sources are better than my sources, as if I might be reading the radical elements who fill her email or repair her Obamaphone for my regular feeding of news YOU and many never see on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, Huff Post, MoveON.org, and other "more valid sources" some here waste their time reading with vigor... just not a source that fits the agenda, so "no followup questions for you" at the daily White House "Ninth Hole News Conferences" where they all get their daily talking points.

  I have yet to read the wingnut and dingbat, and Dog forbid, planted Democrat activist comments on any of The Daily Caller internet posts, at least not in this election cycle.

  If indeed you found, and I would not be surprised one could find, anonymous internet posters spinning or blatantly baiting, or bating even over political news posted by any organization, then call that what it is, and not the NEWS that I posted for any who pay so little attention as to believe that it is RACIST to wish we all could trust the United States vote integrity, in all elections, local and national.

  IF you found me posting one of Grand Wizard Senator Robert Byrd, deceased revered Democrat icon's buddies blogs, your comments may be more appropriate, but The Washington Post as to content, and avowed radical leftist Democrat La Raza promotion of the data, is news everyone should have highlighted for them, if they don't receive it in the normal course of events.

  And being undocumented is not a RACE, whether ones legal status as a eligible voter is influenced or not. Voters in the overwhelming number of U.S. locations have no choice as to where they cast their ballot tomorrow, should they decide to physically show up, for practical reasons addressed on this site in many places, such as local elections for Wards and such.

  The only persons to whom a roadmap to anonymous voting would be of direct interest would be political junkies watching maneuvers by Voter ID H8ters, and anyone looking for a soft spot in which to perform mischief, claiming to be the "registered" voter they are not.

[joan1984]

  Please allow me to clarify, as if it should be necessary to state it, that I am in favor of, and would promote the urging of every U.S. Citizen to participate in every election. If you do not have a Government Issued Photo ID, and Proof of Residency within your polling place's jurisdiction, go anyway, and experience the process of voting by use of the Provisional Ballot, perhaps called by another name in some States, and follow up then with the requirements of the provisional ballot to authenticate who you are within the guidelines.

  Please do that, and please then make your way to your local State Government Office, where you can learn, and participate in the process to gain a Government Issued Photo ID, and become familiar with the requirements of demonstrating residency in your polling location.

  Participation, more than who you vote for exactly, is important for all of us, and inspires gaining an interest in the issues and people you are offered to represent your interests, locally, in State elections, and for National offices.

  I want NO U.S. Citizen who is eligible to cast a ballot to be denied that opportunity. I also want NO one who is not eligible to cast a ballot to be allowed to do so, or at least for your local poll officials to allow that vote to be counted, once the required followup period has passed without individual followup in the process.

  Further, I want any who are not eligible to cast a ballot, due to their not being a US Citizen, or being ineligible for other legitimate reasons, such as being a Felon, or Mental Patient, or other reasons that each State may specify, to be informed how to correct their status if applicable, and to be known and contacted after election day so as to keep them from any future illegitimate attempt to cast a ballot in future elections.

  Does the United States really need to fingerprint every voter? What do people suggest as ways to assure identity and legitimacy of voters and the full integrity of elections to office in our Country? Would love to hear the suggestions of KB users who have any interest in the future of the United States best interests on this topic.

Q&A:

  Should groups organize and recruit NEW voters, register them and provide transportation or other assistance to get them to the polls on election day, in order to promote or influence particular ballot or party initiatives? It happens all the time, and most times there is a legal process to follow, and is a part of Representative Government, and so while this is not my favorite "thing", I support others rights to make their case, and strengthen our process by getting participation in elections by legitimate voters to increase.
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  Should Felons be allowed to vote? Each State has the obligation and responsibility to decide on eligibility for citizens within their jurisdiction, and should exercise that responsibility in the best judgement of their own State residents.

  Personally, for those who reside in a jurisdiction, Citizen or not even, I am not objecting in principal to such residents being represented, and having a say through the voting process in who their representatives may be. It is up to the State legislature, through the regular order process, to determine and adjust such decision making in the interests of the residents of the legislators, and the residents of the sovereign States, and healthy debate can only help people understand the process, and why such decisions stand as they are, or get changed as may be desired by the States..

  The integrity of each State or Territory election, in local, State, and Federal election is my concern, and must not be violated, and is best if people 'know' such integrity is actively guarded and assured. The perception of a lack or breech of such integrity needs to be addressed and the reality explained to the satisfaction of the vast majority of our Citizens, in my opinion, so it is clear to all who care to know, in the best interests of the United States of America.
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  Vast numbers of persons who reside in the United States without the benefit of having documentation is just wrong. Those who came here without following the legal process, should be addressed, and removed from our population via the most expedited means possible, so they may begin the process for return, from outside the United States, should that be of interest to them. If they have a way to get "legit" then do it, or when you are discovered, don't bitch about the results.

  Children born to anyone not a legal resident, and not a citizen, must not be granted automatic U.S. Citizenship, in my opinion, and laws to the opposite effect should be debated, and changed forthwith. People flying to the U.S. so as to gain citizenship for their offspring birthed here needs to stop, and any incentive be removed in that regard. I know there will be shades of grey in this regard, and such cases must be resolved, via legitimate debate and an adjustment as needed to our laws, but an incentive to create citizenship by the current loosey goosey rules in place today needs to end.

  We must get back to the process where people who gain U.S. citizen status are those who bring value, and are invited by the United States, not just by happenstance. We "need" unskilled low wage workers like a hole in the head, in my opinion, when we have record unemployment in reality, compensated directly as such or not. Full employment, not only of those "looking" but of those "lazing on the dole" needs to be our goal, so "benefits" are willingly provided to the people with legitimate and demonstrable need, and such "need" be revisited routinely, and updated so as to remove such benefits for any who abuse the process.

  All this is difficult in our current National political climate, and was never intended for decisions at our National level, but rather as local decisions, made by local elected officials, who are beholden to those residents who they represent, and who can vote them out when their actions are not following the interests of those they represent.

  OK, end of rant, for now. Please comment, hopefully constructively.

[MissBarbara]

  So you had to go beyond The Washington Post roadmap to NO ID CHECK VOTING, and beyond the extreme leftist, anti United States activist and embraced by this Administration radical group's promotion of the Washington Post guide for voting for the undocumented, and beyond my initial comments calling this tripe to KB users attention, and kept reading until you found some anonymous internet poster's comments you presume are coming from other than partisan Democrat sources, to call my post RACIST.

  Sort of like when Lois repeatedly says her sources are better than my sources, as if I might be reading the radical elements who fill her email or repair her Obamaphone for my regular feeding of news YOU and many never see on NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, Huff Post, MoveON.org, and other "more valid sources" some here waste their time reading with vigor... just not a source that fits the agenda, so "no followup questions for you" at the daily White House "Ninth Hole News Conferences" where they all get their daily talking points.

  I have yet to read the wingnut and dingbat, and Dog forbid, planted Democrat activist comments on any of The Daily Caller internet posts, at least not in this election cycle.

  If indeed you found, and I would not be surprised one could find, anonymous internet posters spinning or blatantly baiting, or bating even over political news posted by any organization, then call that what it is, and not the NEWS that I posted for any who pay so little attention as to believe that it is RACIST to wish we all could trust the United States vote integrity, in all elections, local and national.

  IF you found me posting one of Grand Wizard Senator Robert Byrd, deceased revered Democrat icon's buddies blogs, your comments may be more appropriate, but The Washington Post as to content, and avowed radical leftist Democrat La Raza promotion of the data, is news everyone should have highlighted for them, if they don't receive it in the normal course of events.

  And being undocumented is not a RACE, whether ones legal status as a eligible voter is influenced or not. Voters in the overwhelming number of U.S. locations have no choice as to where they cast their ballot tomorrow, should they decide to physically show up, for practical reasons addressed on this site in many places, such as local elections for Wards and such.

  The only persons to whom a roadmap to anonymous voting would be of direct interest would be political junkies watching maneuvers by Voter ID H8ters, and anyone looking for a soft spot in which to perform mischief, claiming to be the "registered" voter they are not.

Joan, you made the initial post, and you posted the link to the Daily Caller piece -- right there at the beginning of your OP. And you immediately follow up with what are essentially allegations of criminal behavior and criminal intent, on the part of both the Washington Post and La Raza.

My responses have been limited to that, and only that.

You did not post "news." You posted opinion, and complemented it by adding your personal opinion. And both you and the Daily Caller limited your accusations to Hispanics. Your words, not mine.

My labeling your post "racist" is an opinion. I've never denied or tried to hide that. And I stand by that opinion.

Regarding the primary issue at hand, the most vital point is this: It is not a question of "your facts" vs. "my facts," because you have presented no facts. Neither here nor in any of the other threads you've started or posts you've made on this subject have you presented even a single piece of data that non-registered or non-eligible voters (be they illegal immigrants or not) are fraudulently voting to even a minor degree.

That being the case, you can argue and rant until you're blue in the face, but your posts will have no resonance until you demonstrate that illegal or fraudulent voting is even remotely an issue. 

In your second post today on this topic (#35) you write, "I also want NO one who is not eligible to cast a ballot to be allowed to do so." I agree 100%. And if there were evidence that non-eligible voters were voting in any significant degree -- to the point of swaying the results of a given contest -- I would join you in condemning the practice and I would join you in calling for significant reform.

The plain fact that there is no evidence, not on the national, state, county, city, or local levels. I've changed my mind many times on issues since joining this board. Present a fact-based, data-driven argument that fraudulent voting by illegal voters is occurring and I just might change my mind again. But not until then.

[joan1984]

Barb, you wanted to vote for Anthony Wiener for Mayor, or some other NYC office, AFTER he was drummed out of office for sexting dick pics...

You will not be changing your mind or anything else, but will vote the radical Democrat agenda, hook, line and sinker... tut tutting about things and blinkered beyond any recognition all the time.

No problem, is your right, you have the necessary ID whether they want to see it or not, and believe there is no issue with illegal voting; and you come from Chicago, IL... just amazing... Hillary knows the score on Chicago, was a Cubs fan, and a Goldwater Girl, right... now look at her, and watch what she does, not what she says... good advice for anyone, not only those from Chicago.

Glad you will vote, and hope I can cancel out yours, but probably not considering we both are in a sea of blue, so no matter what, life will continue apace, with the dismal economy not being even recognized, let alone addressed. O will get his judges, and Mitch will just bitch on Fox about it, but do nothing effective is my expectation, win or not tomorrow.

No worries, Mitch McConnell has already sold out to Harry, and Barack, and whoever else would watch him grovel, and O will make up his list, and check it twice, and thats the last check anyone will do so he gets a nice fat Lame Duck gift, whether by continuing resolution or by acclimation... no pesky Power Of The Purse to get in his way... he and Michelle can take their own individual flights  again this Holiday season... it's only money, not his money, no biggie... maybe they can figure out a more expensive way to fly the dog around than the past few years of nonsense on that score.

Will see what tomorrow supposedly brings, voting with fingers crossed and expectations lowered, just the the rest of you.

[Katiebee]

I sometimes think that Joan would be happy only if Pres. Obama actually acted like the dictator portrayed by the conservative talking heads. Or if the conservatives actually got a dictator placed into office, which isn't as far fetched an idea as it seems. Authoritarianism is very close to the ideals pushed by Rush, Hannity, et al. They want a strongman with their "values". As unfortunate as that would be, it seems that many people voting for Tea Party backed candidates seem to agree.

[joan1984]

 Thank you for understanding, Katiebee!

  Dictator, yep, that's what I am seeking. That dastardly Tea Party, with all their specific position papers. Why they even count among their members some church ushers and butchers, even bakers... everyone knows self sufficient people and successful people are to be kept at arms length.

  We need less "pick up after yourself" Tea Party rallies, with your parents, grandparents, and logical thinking folks getting proper permits and portajohns well in advance, and more, no, MOAR Wall Street Occupiers taking over public parks, no stinking permits, or pesky arrangements made prior, just disruption and chaos, and rape tents, pee on the Police cars... transform America, yup. How's that working out so far?

  We need some Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi type folks, so we need not think or worry about anything, just do as we are told and they will take care of our needs. And when they don't? Well, who are we to ask more than they are willing to give, anyway. Hey, they tell us they are "independent", right...  what more do we need to hear, if they say so. Go along, get along... no questions asked, none answered of course, would just confuse us.

  Vote! Results matter.