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on: December 15, 2014, 05:01:24 PM
  Good guys with guns have ended the attack by what Associated Press calls a self styled Imam, where a large number of hostages were taken yesterday in downtown Sydney, Australia, at a Chocolatier shop. He carried a black flag with gibberish about the only God being Mohammad, and demanded a ISIS Flag in negotiations with Australian authorities. He threatened his hostages with a shotgun.

  As we all know, ISIS has absolutely NO association or affiliation with Islam, the religion of peace, from U.S. President Barack Hussein Obama, who has reason to know about such things, based upon his years of Koran School as a child, and the Muslim Inscription inside his wedding ring. Australian and American mainstream press have said the main is not affiliated with any group, so far as they know.

  This potential Jewish, or Lutheran, or Seventh Day Adventist has by now hopefully been dealt with permanently, but chaos in the moment and lack of exact information precludes us knowing who was injured or killed in the final moments as this situation ended.

  The possible Knight Of Columbus, or Mason, or JayCees member, as we hope further investigation will reveal, was known to Australia police and has been arrested many times, for sex crimes, and charged with the murder of one of his ex-wives, with the assistance of the current (at the time, anyway) Mrs. Unaffiliated Self Styled Imam, as he has been described, but no link to Islam has been found worthy of reporting at this time.

  Mormon authorities have not claimed him as a church member as of this moment, not have Episcopalians, or Greek Orthodox Catholics, but stay tuned, as no doubt the news media will dig to the bottom of this situation, and along with authorities will give a full report soon.


 

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Reply #1 on: December 15, 2014, 05:04:13 PM

#BlackLivesMatter
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Reply #2 on: December 15, 2014, 05:32:58 PM
I have never seen a post so post-delusional.

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Reply #3 on: December 15, 2014, 06:12:32 PM
I thought it was good reporting.  :D. Now about that inscription - - ??????

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Reply #4 on: December 15, 2014, 06:18:13 PM
I want to know what the presidents upbringing or an inscription on his ring has anything to do with how the news reports a story? 



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Reply #5 on: December 15, 2014, 06:47:53 PM
Coach -- our President refuses to use the full name of ISIS, starting calling it only by it's initials ISIL, and has morphed into several other acronyms and names, along with his United Nations Ambassador, and the U.S. State Department, conjuring up different names at least weekly in recent days, being averse to using the name the organization uses itself; while telling us that ISIL or whatever they call it, is not at all Islamic.

He comes by this through something... divine providence? I think not, and so I have presumed through his personal knowledge, and intimate understanding of Islam. Barack Hussein Obama was born a Muslim, being the son of a Muslim, Barry Senior, and was educated in Koran School, as he notes in one of his several autobiographies. He is closer than most Americans by his background, and wants us all to take his word for it, that ISIS is not Islamic.. That is clear.

Taking him at his word, and looking at News coverage of ISIS, and of the "self styled Imam" hostage taking terrorist who is hanging  Islamic flags in the store window, held up by his hostages, and who has requested a ISIS Flag of the Australian negotiators, if we are to believe President Obama, we then must presume that the nutcase in this case has NO affiliation with Islam, and therefore could be of any religion or cause... maybe a follower of the Reverend Moon, even, or a Latter Day Saints follower on his "missionary tour".... did not see if he was riding a bike when he brought his shotgun into the store...

That is how President Obama, and the bully pulpit, influence how a seemingly unequivocal Islamic Terrorist is reported as unaffiliated with any organization.

Glad I could help.

I want to know what the presidents upbringing or an inscription on his ring has anything to do with how the news reports a story? 

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Reply #6 on: December 15, 2014, 06:54:07 PM

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Reply #7 on: December 15, 2014, 08:28:41 PM
Pro tip: there is nothing to be gained from reading joan's posts. If you find yourself outraged or annoyed by them, you will find that KB is much more enjoyable if you learn to skip past them. Don't worry about missing anything. It's been years now. There is evidently no room for growth there.

As for the situation in Sydney, the latest reports are saying 2 dead including the gunman. It's not a good result but it could have been so much worse.

GB, why don't you let the readers here at KB determine what is to be gained or not gained from reading posts by joan1984?  Politics, like religion, are volatile subjects but everyone has their opinions and that is all what most posts are -opinions.

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Reply #8 on: December 15, 2014, 08:41:56 PM

#BlackLivesMatter
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Reply #9 on: December 15, 2014, 08:45:12 PM
Hey GB, sometimes it's just fun to feed the trolls!



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Reply #11 on: December 15, 2014, 09:54:07 PM
you may like to read this about the gunman
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-30484419

as well as this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Haron_Monis

if you take the time to read you will see that he has killed before and was on bail



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Reply #12 on: December 16, 2014, 12:05:38 AM
Pro tip: there is nothing to be gained from reading joan's posts. If you find yourself outraged or annoyed by them, you will find that KB is much more enjoyable if you learn to skip past them. Don't worry about missing anything. It's been years now. There is evidently no room for growth there.

As for the situation in Sydney, the latest reports are saying 2 dead including the gunman. It's not a good result but it could have been so much worse.

GB, why don't you let the readers here at KB determine what is to be gained or not gained from reading posts by joan1984?  Politics, like religion, are volatile subjects but everyone has their opinions and that is all what most posts are -opinions.







Precisely. Agree or disagree with Joan, I don't see how anyone contributes to any discussion by coming in to a thread solely for the purpose of insulting someone.

While you're waiting in vain for that apology, why don't you make yourself useful by getting on your knees and opening your mouth


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Reply #13 on: December 16, 2014, 01:50:01 AM
"Pro tip" ? Interesting...
 
As is Professional ?
 
Professional what, GB ?

Please advise, just so we all can understand, at just what are you personally accomplished, through extensive experience, or through  extended study, to have attained this "Pro" status ?

Very curious indeed...


Pro tip: there is nothing to be gained from reading joan's posts. If you find yourself outraged or annoyed by them, you will find that KB is much more enjoyable if you learn to skip past them. Don't worry about missing anything. It's been years now. There is evidently no room for growth there.

As for the situation in Sydney, the latest reports are saying 2 dead including the gunman. It's not a good result but it could have been so much worse.

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but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


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Reply #14 on: December 16, 2014, 02:15:46 AM
I think any time Joan frames a discussion in her typically racist and wack-a-doodle terms, the best way to deal with it is to start a new thread on the same topic, but in rational and thoughtful terms.
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Reply #15 on: December 16, 2014, 02:44:30 AM
From the article below:

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.... he was free on bail in two separate criminal cases. He was charged in November 2013 with being an accessory before and after the fact in the murder of his ex-wife, Noleen Hayson Pal, and in April 2014, he was charged with the indecent and sexual assault of a woman in western Sydney in 2002. Forty more counts of indecent or sexual assault relating to six other women were later added in that case.

So WTF was this guy doing free and on the streets?  Clearly he was a very disturbed and deranged man.[/color]

Sydney Hostage Siege Ends With Gunman and 2 Captives Dead as Police Storm Cafe

SYDNEY, Australia — Heavily armed police officers ended a hostage siege in Sydney early Tuesday, storming a downtown cafe where an armed man had held employees and customers for more than 16 hours.

The captor and two hostages died during the confrontation and four other people were wounded, the New South Wales Police said Tuesday morning.

Live television images of the scene showed intense flashes of gunfire and loud concussions from stun grenades as police officers raced into the building at about 2:10 a.m. local time with weapons drawn, followed later by medics with stretchers.

Andrew Scipione, the New South Wales police commissioner, said the police moved quickly to enter the cafe after gunshots were heard inside. “They made the call because they believed that at that time, that if they didn’t enter, there would have been many more lives lost,” he said. Before the gunshots were heard, he said, the police believed that no one in the cafe had been injured.
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Just before the police entered the building, at least six hostages were seen running from the cafe. The police said later that there had been 17 hostages in all.

The police statement reporting the deaths identified the hostage taker as “a 50-year-old man” but did not give his name. Mr. Scipione referred to the man as a “lone gunman” in his remarks at a news conference on Tuesday.

Earlier, the police confirmed reports that the hostage-taker was Man Haron Monis, an Iranian-born man around 50 with a criminal record who called himself Sheikh Haron.

The hostages who died were a 34-year-old man and a 38-year-old woman, the police said. One of the injured people was a police officer, who was treated for an injury to the face and was in good condition, the police said.

Mr. Monis’s former lawyer, Manny Conditsis, told the Australian Broadcasting Corporation in a televised interview before the siege ended that he believed Mr. Monis was acting alone. “His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness,” Mr. Conditsis said, calling his former client “a damaged-goods individual who has done something outrageous.”

Even so, it remained unclear whether Mr. Monis had any accomplices.

The armed man took control of the Lindt Chocolate Cafe on Martin Place in central Sydney around 9:45 a.m. Monday, trapping employees and customers inside. He had a black flag with white Arabic script, similar to those used by Islamic militants on other continents, which was later displayed in a cafe window.

During the day Monday, five people fled the cafe, including two employees, but it was not clear whether the assailant had allowed them to leave or they had escaped.

Auto and rail traffic was halted and nearby buildings like the New South Wales Parliament and the Reserve Bank were evacuated or locked down, and helicopters circled overhead. Police officials said they made contact with the hostage-taker and tried to negotiate an end to the siege.

Mr. Monis was known to the police. According to The Sydney Morning Herald, he was free on bail in two separate criminal cases. He was charged in November 2013 with being an accessory before and after the fact in the murder of his ex-wife, Noleen Hayson Pal, and in April 2014, he was charged with the indecent and sexual assault of a woman in western Sydney in 2002. Forty more counts of indecent or sexual assault relating to six other women were later added in that case.
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Mr. Monis pleaded guilty in 2013 to 12 charges related to the sending of poison-pen letters to the families of Australian servicemen who were killed overseas, local media reports said. He was reportedly sentenced to probation and community service.

The police have said that Mr. Monis presented himself as a spiritual healer and conducted business for a time on Station Street in Wentworthville, a western suburb of Sydney.

A website apparently associated with Mr. Monis included condemnation of the United States and Australia for their military actions against Islamic militants in Iraq and Afghanistan. News reports said the site also contained a posting saying Mr. Monis had recently converted from Shia to Sunni Islam, and SITE, an organization that monitors Islamic extremist groups, said he posted a pledge of allegiance to the “Caliph of the Muslims.” The posting appeared to refer to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and the Islamic State militant group, SITE said, though the posting did not mention them by name.

Mr. Monis apparently emigrated to Australia from Iran around 1996, and was previously known as Manteghi Boroujerdi or Mohammad Hassan Manteghi. The Australian Broadcasting Corporation said he was granted political asylum. In a broadcast interview in 2001, he claimed to have worked for the Iranian intelligence ministry and to have fled the country in fear for his life, leaving behind a wife and family.

A Muslim community leader in Sydney, Dr. Jamal Rifi, said in a televised interview that “everything he stands for is wrong.”

“It has nothing to do with Islam as a religion whatsoever, and we have all seen that by his previous action and his current actions,” Dr. Rifi said of Mr. Monis.

Dr. Rifi said that he did not know Mr. Monis personally, but that he did know his family well. He said Mr. Monis was not a sheikh.

“He had no religious qualifications whatsoever,” Dr. Rifi said. “He has never been associated with any mainstream mosque, and he is not associated with any of our religious leaders whatsoever. He is self-proclaimed.”

In September, a spokesman for the Islamic State, Abu Muhammad al-Adnani, issued a statement calling on Muslims in Australia to carry out attacks of their own. Facing an increase in threats to the country, Tony Abbott, the Australian prime minister, raised the country’s alert level that month and tightened restrictions on news reporting concerning national security matters.

The grand mufti of Australia, Prof. Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, and the Australian National Imams Council issued a joint statement about the hostage siege on Monday, saying they “condemn this criminal act unequivocally.”

At the news conference on Tuesday, Mike Baird, the premier of New South Wales, said: “Today we must come together as never before. We will get through this.” He described his country as “a harmonious society that is the envy of the world.”

In a show of solidarity, thousands of Australians offered in social media messages to accompany people who dress in traditional Muslim clothing and are concerned about a backlash from the siege. The hashtag #IllRideWithYou was used more than 250,000 times on Twitter by late Monday evening.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/world/asia/sydney-australia-hostages.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0



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Reply #16 on: December 16, 2014, 02:52:42 AM
Another excerpt from the above article:

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Mr. Monis pleaded guilty in 2013 to 12 charges related to the sending of poison-pen letters to the families of Australian servicemen who were killed overseas, local media reports said. He was reportedly sentenced to probation and community service.

He must have been getting lessons from the Westboro Baptists.  And this guy was accepted as a refugee by the Australians?  I think he should have been sent packing .....

Sorry, but sending letters to the families of the dead is not freedom of speech.  It was not speaking out in a public forum thereby qualifying as a political expression, this was just cruel, evil and deranged behavior.



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Reply #17 on: December 16, 2014, 01:59:38 PM
I think any time Joan frames a discussion in her typically racist and wack-a-doodle terms, the best way to deal with it is to start a new thread on the same topic, but in rationale and thoughtful terms.

Well then I apologize as I combined the two threads before seeing this post. 



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Reply #18 on: December 16, 2014, 03:12:39 PM
I think any time Joan frames a discussion in her typically racist and wack-a-doodle terms, the best way to deal with it is to start a new thread on the same topic, but in rationale and thoughtful terms.

Well then I apologize as I combined the two threads before seeing this post. 

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Reply #19 on: December 16, 2014, 03:20:42 PM
I think any time Joan frames a discussion in her typically racist and wack-a-doodle terms, the best way to deal with it is to start a new thread on the same topic, but in rationale and thoughtful terms.

Well then I apologize as I combined the two threads before seeing this post. 

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