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on: January 27, 2015, 02:01:53 AM
I made a recent post to DeeDee (whose writing I admire) and wanted to ask her how to and what to and  and more questions(unfortunately I have been informed she is no longer around) the post was about "something different" I added a lil something to ask her what she thought and   how to go about it. I would appreciate any criticism or advice from anyone who knows.....  Scotty /slowrdr  TY



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Reply #1 on: January 27, 2015, 04:31:10 AM
If you are looking at writing, the first thing I would say is just go ahead and do it. The best way to learn is from mistakes, and from what I have seen many new writers are better than they think (you will tend to be your own worst critic).

Find a theme you like (consent vs non consent, MILF's vs Virgins or somewhere in between, heterosexual vs homosexual...etc), read a few stories and ask yourself one question......"what did this leave unsatisfied?...How would I have described this part". Find what you wish other would have done in their stories and do that in yours.

Other key pointers include but are not limited to;

> Buildup. There is nothing worse than reading a story where someone is screaming "Oh god I'm c.c..cuuuuuumiiiinggg!!!!!" three paragraphs in.  No need to rush. Personally I like when the author makes me wait and tortures me with anticipation

> Plot: Try to have the sex fit into a slightly bigger story

>Character development: It makes it more realistic for me if I feel I can identify with the emotions of the person in the story. It's not just the physical description of the act, but rather the effect it has on the person doing it (for me at least)

>Grammar: Type it up in a word doc and try to get the spelling right at least

>Do it in parts (optional): Many stories you will see here are not done all in one post. rather someone posts a segment with a "to be continued", and usually other posters will offer commentary, and then you can decide where to go next with the story


These are just a few of my suggestions. I'm sure there's a lot more that others can pitch in.

It's a pretty supportive crowd here. When I write good stories I get good comments, when I write bad ones, nobody makes derogatory comments about them. People generally don't go out of their way to insult authors, so don't be afraid to take a chance and just put it out there. Your first attempt might not satisfy you, and when it's complete you might feel like you could have done better but that's just part of the learning process.

I look forward to seeing what you write.

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Reply #2 on: January 27, 2015, 04:38:54 AM
Thanks I listen well



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Reply #3 on: January 27, 2015, 04:47:14 AM
Phtlc has been plagarizing me. :P lol
Everything he said. Feel free to post a story and we'll give you kind critiquing. Most of us are gentle with new writers. ;-)
If you still don't think you're ready, i'd be happy to look at your story before you post it.

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Reply #4 on: January 27, 2015, 05:28:06 AM
If you visualize what you see, feel, etc, then write it. I often actually write things with my eyes closed then come back and see if they match. That being said, don't overdo it! EVER!

If you are getting overly descriptive it becomes a distraction. IE: If you end up with things like "I had my left hand under her while my right arm.." who cares? Just say you had your arm wrapped around them. After all, you might imagine them laying one way, the reader another. That's a huge one that people blunder into.

Also, when setting up your characters you can be deliberately vague with hints and if you keep it realistic your audience will envision their perfect people. That being said, the average 14 year old doesn't have an hourglass figure with DD's, and I have yet to meet a white male under the age of 18 with an 8"+ member, again, unless you are going for exaggeration for some remote reason, let the audience imagination kick it up a few notches. It's easier to portray him as large when she actually feels she has to stretch to accommodate him, and just the same she can be tight enough it takes him a bit to get in or her breasts can be 'a good bit more than a handful' rather than trying to get into the details of it all.

Your mileage may vary of course.

As others have said, have some semblance of a plot, at least a little build-up, and some direction you want to take it to. Without those you have words on a screen more than a story.

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Reply #5 on: January 27, 2015, 05:29:05 AM
Sadly, don't expect a whole lot of comments... I'm guessing for every two or three hundred readers I get one comment... then again, there's no way to tell if folks read the story, or just click on it, ready a few lines, and leave. I suspect that happens the majority of the time. I suppose that's where picking a catchy title helps.

Several of my stories that I thought were my best effort have gotten no comments. Go figure.

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Reply #6 on: January 27, 2015, 05:43:45 AM
Meatbot [and Scotty], don't sweat. Most members here want to duke it out in the Politics and Room 1408 Forums or masturbate to the stuff in the Pics & Vids Forum. ;-)
Don't take a lack of comments personally. I'll tell you, though, one comment can make a lot of difference. If a story of mine doesn't get commented, it'll do all right. But if it gets commented, the readers tend to start flooding in.
Then again, now that we have the new email rules for posting an alternate version of our email address in our stories, maybe writers will be getting emails from their readers. Who knows...

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Reply #7 on: January 27, 2015, 06:25:06 AM
If you are getting overly descriptive it becomes a distraction.
Also, when setting up your characters you can be deliberately vague with hints and if you keep it realistic your audience will envision their perfect people.

Excellent point! Less is more. I envy people who can convey grand visuals with few words




I have yet to meet a white male under the age of 18 with an 8" member


I know, how pathetic having something that small!  :emot_laughing:




let the audience imagination kick it up a few notches. It's easier to portray him as large when she actually feels she has to stretch to accommodate him, and just the same she can be tight enough it takes him a bit to get in or her breasts can be 'a good bit more than a handful' rather than trying to get into the details of it all.

Yes! Exactly Yes!

Pay attention to what Dgan says. He makes excellent points.

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Reply #8 on: January 27, 2015, 06:27:28 AM
Don't take a lack of comments personally. I'll tell you, though, one comment can make a lot of difference.

Agreed. Never take that personally. I have plenty of stories with no comments. Feedback can be nice, but ultimately you are writing for you.

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Reply #9 on: January 27, 2015, 06:42:23 AM
I have pretty much given up on feedback. Heck, I wrote a pair of stories out of my genre (IE: not even something I like) just to get feedback on a forum that tends to provide it. At least they seemed to like what they read as a year later I still get emails asking to continue. lol

There are some authors in here I'd not mind reading or commenting on but there are others that just leave me frustrated. I can't even read a few of them since they seem to be 50 paragraphs but each are broken up like they are written on a cell phone or something. It's just too screwed up to try to even follow.

Add in the bad grammar ones and the 'if you can't say something nice' thread...  I have sent a few PM's from time to time and commented on the odd standout but it's a give/take. No one wants to give you feedback you tend not to bother doing it either.

I often wonder if people are scared to leave public feedback for fear someone might think differently if they were reading a particular genre of story?  "Oh, I want to say I like this but I don't want somone knowing I read incest porn' or some crap like that.


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Reply #10 on: January 27, 2015, 07:03:30 AM
I often wonder if people are scared to leave public feedback for fear someone might think differently if they were reading a particular genre of story?  "Oh, I want to say I like this but I don't want somone knowing I read incest porn' or some crap like that.



Yeah... the idea of a "reputation" to protect, here of all places, is pretty comical. Here is the one place I can actually be my pervy self... crazy... But I've wondered about that, myself.

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Reply #11 on: January 27, 2015, 07:12:39 AM
Hell, if they're on here reading our smut their reputation with us is pretty much made so they're screwed. ;-)

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Reply #12 on: January 27, 2015, 07:20:26 AM
I often wonder if people are scared to leave public feedback for fear someone might think differently if they were reading a particular genre of story?  "Oh, I want to say I like this but I don't want somone knowing I read incest porn' or some crap like that.



Yeah... the idea of a "reputation" to protect, here of all places, is pretty comical. Here is the one place I can actually be my pervy self... crazy... But I've wondered about that, myself.

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In fairness some people just don't like certain topics. For example, I do a great many non consent stories, now to many people these are downright offensive. The people here support free speech, but at the same time, if you find your stories are not getting feedback it might not be so much that people worry about their reputation so much as the topic area might be off putting to them. Look at how few views a non consent story will get vs a consent story. Given that there is probably some ratio of x(100, 1000..etc?) views for every one comment, you need a story that will get lots of views. My non consent get a lot of views on other sites but not here, whereas my consensual stuff tends to get a lot more readership here.

If you really want feedback, take a look at what is popular here. If what you focus on is not popular here, then try to focus on more mainstream stuff, or alternately find sites that cater to whatever fetish you tend to focus on (presuming the comments are important).

Stick with it. When I was new here, none of my stuff got read but once you get a few followers they tend to always check your new stories. Look for others here who have the same interests or fetishes and make contact with them, and send them your stuff.

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Reply #13 on: January 27, 2015, 01:38:07 PM
Welcome Scotty.   Woo to joining and posting.

...when setting up your characters you can be deliberately vague with hints and if you keep it realistic your audience will envision their perfect people.

One of the best suggestions I've read in all the tips here and elsewhere.  Woo to that Dgan.   

In regards to the 8"+ member.    I actually have an 11" johnson (12" on a good day), but it makes my story seem more realistic when I say 6".  I like to tone it down.  Don't want to make my reader seem inferior.

...Most members here want to duke it out in the Politics and Room 1408 Forums or masturbate to the stuff in the Pics & Vids Forum...

Have never MB'd to a pic or vid on here or elsewhere.    When I have MB'd on KB, it has been to a nicely paced story.  And maybe, just maybe, I did one time to a 1408 thread. 




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Reply #14 on: January 27, 2015, 02:11:53 PM
TY I tried out for my WOO on page 13 of Geminiguys WOO awards this morning when I woke up ... I do appreciate your welcoming words !!!



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Reply #15 on: January 27, 2015, 02:14:48 PM
Now I welcome your criticism whatever you may have to say .....



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Reply #16 on: January 27, 2015, 02:25:49 PM
I have pretty much given up on feedback. Heck, I wrote a pair of stories out of my genre (IE: not even something I like) just to get feedback on a forum that tends to provide it. At least they seemed to like what they read as a year later I still get emails asking to continue. lol

There are some authors in here I'd not mind reading or commenting on but there are others that just leave me frustrated. I can't even read a few of them since they seem to be 50 paragraphs but each are broken up like they are written on a cell phone or something. It's just too screwed up to try to even follow.

Add in the bad grammar ones and the 'if you can't say something nice' thread...  I have sent a few PM's from time to time and commented on the odd standout but it's a give/take. No one wants to give you feedback you tend not to bother doing it either.

I often wonder if people are scared to leave public feedback for fear someone might think differently if they were reading a particular genre of story?  "Oh, I want to say I like this but I don't want somone knowing I read incest porn' or some crap like that.



I'm not sure how many times I've commented on a story here, once recently I know as I tend not to enjoy reading erotica like I once did. What I found when I did comment was that it wasn't welcomed by the author. I gave feedback regarding the writing, grammar etc rather than I jacked off to it and it left me wet, which I'm guessing is the type of feedback they wanted.



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Reply #17 on: January 27, 2015, 02:55:00 PM
I'm not sure how many times I've commented on a story here, once recently I know as I tend not to enjoy reading erotica like I once did. What I found when I did comment was that it wasn't welcomed by the author. I gave feedback regarding the writing, grammar etc rather than I jacked off to it and it left me wet, which I'm guessing is the type of feedback they wanted.

I agree with Wubble.  Individuals can't expect all feedback to be, "That was f'n hot" or "I jerked off 3 times."   People need to accept some of the feedback as CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM.  Nobody is here to lambaste your stories.  Just offering a tip or two.
In most cases I'll overlook the "you're/your" mistake.  Shoot, in my own writing/typing I've done it many a times.   Though I know its proper use, it just happens at times.   But sometimes the spelling is so brutal in stories, I'll quit reading.   Other times I'll give a suggestion to clean it up.   If it's not done in the next story, I likely won't bother reading it.



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Reply #18 on: January 28, 2015, 05:35:04 AM
One thing that may work for you, is to find someone who understands story line, flow, plot, characterization, and dialog, and ask them directly to critique your writing of a particular story.

That may be much more informative and the feedback will be very specific. It may be helpful or it may just be another viewpoint. In either case, it can inform you of what your own particular foibles in writing may be, and show what your weaknesses are.

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Reply #19 on: January 28, 2015, 06:04:47 AM
Or another option: Write a story and if you feel it might be a bit off, ask someone whose writing you like to flesh it out and edit it for you as if they might have written it. keep your original then compare side by side. See what you like the most from both stories and keep it. It's not an us vs. them kind of mentality, it's a building and learning exercise.  Thankfully I had a great pair of English teachers who used that approach rather than a simple "I don't like it, you fail" like they do now.

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