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Reply #180 on: April 23, 2018, 02:59:10 PM
It seems the only thing that will stop a bad white guy with a gun is a good black guy with his hands.

Waffle House shooting: Tennessee man who wrestled AR-15 away from gunman hailed as hero



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Reply #181 on: April 25, 2018, 09:37:44 PM
The main (I have many) problem I have with this narrative is IFF.  That's military Strategic parlance for Identify Friend, or Foe.  It's safe to assume that if The Lone Gunman identifies school children as targets, his is faulty.

Now, we have the police.  Their track record on IFF is, Inconsistent.  I will say that, police are people, they make mistakes, and when they show up at a Firefight, they have to do the IFF thing.  So, let's just assume for the moment that it is 1 lone gunman, and there's a GGWAG already at the scene.

Which one is which?  There's Cover, maybe the BGWAG didn't get a hostage to use as a human shield, or, that one ran out of blood all ready.  What do they look like?  Armed, got that.  Going by the Profile (Just go over a list, and look through the photos) some other military gear is not uncommon, may have worn a trenchcoat to conceal the carbine under, and may have taken it off when the bloodbath started.

They don't know, they just know they have 2 lone gunmen, pinned down, shooting at each other with innocent bystanders around.

Now, let's switch to the GGWAG.  Usually, there's not enough of them around for there to be one at every scene, before the police arrive, but when the shooting starts, he drops his burger, clears the holster, disengages the safety, and gets behind cover.  When he looks up, he sees 2 guys, behind cover, shooting at each other.

Have you ever been in a firefight?  Have you ever tried to hold a conversation in a firefight?  Okay, which one's the good guy, and which one's the badguy?  Because in order for there to be enough GGWAGs at th scene, whenever a psycho who's self-preservation ends with his last bullet shows up, at some point, there will be 2 grabbing a burger at the same place when the Lone Gunman shows up.

What if there's 2 Lone Gunmen?  It's bound to happen, the more of them that are out there.  How do they tell the difference between the good guy, and the bad guy, when they both have guns?  Because by then, it's too late to try to talk about it.



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Reply #182 on: April 25, 2018, 09:54:30 PM
Another problem with the (NRA) narrative is defensive handguns.  Handguns don't reliably stop bullets.  "Well, just shoot him first."  (Not a strawman, the most common answer to this FAQ)  How?  One person in this scene showed up knowing there's going to be a massacre here today, and he gets to shoot first.  He does, no matter how much you train, the moment you see the gun, he's already got it out.  If yours is concealed, and you can see it, you're betting on your wild west quickdraw beating him, and Stopping him before he brings it to battery, and pulls the trigger.  How long does it take him to bleed out?  Where did you hit him with your snapshot?  You don't know, because you can't even be sure when, and where you'll have to take that shot.

If it isn't concealed, then let's just assume that he's at least Studied firefight tactics, and shoots the armed ones first.  Even if you manage to Han Solo him, you have to stop him.  In one shot, before he gets a shot off.  Not just hit him first, kill or incapacitate him, before he gets a shot off.  Good luck?  This is a fantasy!  Not just a fantasy, but one Real Men (And women, I don't know whether to call Real Women, or not.  Help me out here, guys, do Real Women play with guns, or do you call them dykes behind their backs?) train for with no experience in actually doing it.

Never mind, this is a surprise gunfight, in a crowded area, and no matter how much you train, you are at a disadvantage.  No matter how superior weapons are, he woke up this morning planning to Die in a gunfight.  Not just ready for the possibility, he's planned this day, for years, and he's got first draw.  You're not that good, nobody is, nor ever was, nobody wins every gunfight, and it's not a fair fight.  You are at the disadvantage here, even if it's 1-on-1, and the room is full of targets to soak up every missed shot.  He chose it for maximum casualties.

That's if he didn't bring any bombs, or a "Sniper" rifle.  (The rifle doesn't make any one a sniper, and any rifle in a sniper's hands is better than any gun in a wannabe's.)  That's if he's brave, stupid, and suicidal enough to walk right in, and give you even that much of a chance, he's going to at least try to shoot you first, and hopefully hit someone else if he misses.

It's not even a fight.  It's a terror attack, and you're not helping.  You're just adding to the terror with this narrative, and playing the hero, instead of thinking about the victims.
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Reply #183 on: April 25, 2018, 11:21:40 PM
Exactly!

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Reply #184 on: May 27, 2018, 07:11:08 PM

Indiana science teacher stops middle school shooting: 'He's a hero today'

A science teacher named Jason Seaman stopped a school shooting in his classroom at Noblesville West Middle School in Noblesville, Indiana, on Friday. A boy in the class asked to be excused, returning shortly with two handguns he begin firing in the room. Seaman threw a basketball he was holding at the shooter and then tackled and disarmed him, restraining the student despite being shot three times.

Seaman is "very brave. He's a hero today, and he did something that most people would never dare to do," said student and eyewitness Ethan Stonebraker, age 13. "If it wasn't for him ... a lot of us could have been hurt. He pretty much protected all of us and it's something that you couldn't ask more of."


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I would like to take this opportunity to formally and officially announce that I have completely changed my opinion about whether teachers should be armed. They should be armed: With basketballs.

After all, basketballs don't kill people, people do.







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Reply #185 on: May 27, 2018, 10:20:27 PM
Yeah!  He's just lucky he didn't meet a pitcher with a 100mph fastball!  :emot_laughing:



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Reply #186 on: May 27, 2018, 10:53:10 PM
This close to saying we need more Seamen in public schools.  That took balls!



Also, here's a good Gal with a gun!

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Reply #187 on: June 04, 2018, 10:51:50 PM
 Homeowner in TN defends himself and his home from two armed home invaders. He was prepared, and used his personal AK-47 to save his own life.

  ..... “My life is the last thing that anyone would want to take,” he said. “I just let loose, not knowing it hit both of them,” the homeowner told Atkins. “I mean, we’re in Memphis, you’re going to need a gun,” he added....

Our prayers and thoughts go out to the families of Azel Witherspoon(28), and his accomplice, Demond Robinson (17). May they rest in peace.


http://ratchetfights.org/tennessee-thugs-open-fire-on-homeowner-during-robbery-get-horrific-surprise/?COLLCC=1673626638

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Reply #188 on: June 22, 2018, 04:05:01 AM
https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/Auto-Repair-Shop-Owner-Shoots-Wounds-Intruder-Holds-Him-Until-Deputies-Arrive-485872311.html

Good guy, business owner, victim of another break-in, turned tables on the burglars, one shot and held at gunpoint for the Police, the other apprehended in the neighborhood after fleeing, and crashing his car nearby.

Window sign says: We Don't Call 911, with image of a firearm.

Perhaps next burglars will be better able to read, and skip this business.

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Reply #189 on: June 26, 2018, 10:53:16 PM
The problem with the GGWAG narrative is still IFF.  Identify Friend, or Foe.  The problem is that a Goodguy with a Gun looks exactly like a badguy with a gun, AND they can change sides.  On the assumption that "Good" people are a thing.  They're always "Good," they never miss, they never lose their shit, and go on shooting sprees, they're Perfect.  Perfectly good.

The myth here is that there are Good Guys, and Badguys.  I used to play Cops and Robbers in grade school.  You know what?  That's bullshit.  There's just people, and people are fully capable of evil.

Nobody's perfect, and it's about time America grew the fuck up.  Some time before the guys with guns shoot all the school children.



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Reply #190 on: July 07, 2018, 09:30:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=Z2iuL__9a-U

Milwaukee restaurant worker attacked. Co-Worker with Concealed Carry Permit held off the attacker at gunpoint, stopped the assault and further interests of the perpetrator. MAGA.
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/george-webb-employee-seriously-injured-after-attack-from-man-who-went-behind-counter-video-
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Reply #191 on: July 08, 2018, 01:56:17 AM
This thread could go on forever.......
There will always be a good guy / gal with a gun.......That's not the problem.
The problem is "that" there will always be more bad guys with guns and worse more accidents with guns than there will ever be good things about them.
The laws being made now only make it tougher for the law abiding citizens to purchase guns, they don't do a thing for the criminal (except make the law abiding citizen more vulnerable)....It's time to make the laws tougher on the criminal not the honest citizen.

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Reply #192 on: July 08, 2018, 03:57:33 AM
So true Liz!



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Reply #193 on: August 06, 2018, 10:09:09 AM

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


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Reply #194 on: August 16, 2018, 07:59:56 AM
https://www.delmarvanow.com/story/news/local/maryland/2018/08/14/armed-pharmacist-chases-off-would-robbers-princess-anne/985337002/

Revolver armed Pharmacist protects his store and customers from criminals with an assault rifle... good citizen saves the day.

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Reply #195 on: August 19, 2018, 02:34:46 AM
Homeowner takes advice of Joe Biden, protects his family from intruder...
https://upnorthlive.com/news/local/sheriff-armed-homeowner-shoots-intruder-in-barn

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Reply #196 on: September 14, 2018, 05:29:57 PM

Some people are like the 'slinky'. Not really good for much,
but they bring a smile to your face as they fall down stairs.


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Reply #197 on: September 21, 2018, 01:24:00 AM
This one's pretty good with a gun:

Kirsten Joy Weiss

Just saying.  Oh, and that gun is pretty much guaranteed to give a Quaker the shits.



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Reply #198 on: September 21, 2018, 01:53:54 AM
This one's a really great guy.  I can tell, however he kinda blows the "A Gun" out of the water.

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Reply #199 on: September 23, 2018, 01:40:34 AM
Only in Canada.

Men try to rob smoke shop armed with bear spray. Man defends store by wielding a bong.  The bong wins and no one dies.