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Reply #60 on: February 03, 2008, 12:52:24 PM
I've been waiting to wade in on this subject.

Everyone has their own opinion, and I'm not seeking to change anyone's mind, just stating my own experience.

I have actually witnessed miracles. I'm a believer, besides I see God's work everyday in a little girl's smile. There is nothing more perfect, pure, or wonderful than a little girl's smile.

I have been beaten up, bitten, blown up, burnt, run over, shot, and stabbed. The fact that I still have ten working fingers and toes and that I'm able to not only walk upright, but run, is nothing short of a miracle.

Some people have a five year plan. I realize that every day is a gift and if I go tonight, my only regrets are that I never married or had a child.
The fact that you have been lucky surviving all those attacks may well make you think there is a god who has kept you alive, but didn't the same god also put you in danger in the first place? As for the beauty of a child, there is an anthropological explanation for this, all adults are programmed to protect their own and other's offspring. My 8 month old grandson smiles at strangers, no adult can resist a child's smile its in our genes.
I too have been close to death, this had me appreciate life, but I don't thank god, but the doctors who's care enabled me to to enjoy every sunrise and every sunset.



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Reply #61 on: February 06, 2008, 02:26:15 AM
new here but but been on the planet a while.  generationally speaking i come from a long, long line of old time communists.  not the gangster commies but the ones who helped unchain children from machines during the early part of the industrial revolution.  the ones who really thought they could create a "workers paradise" here on earth............their "struggle" left no time to waste on the god biz.  gotta honestly say, that heritage makes it a walk in the park to be a comfortable atheist.



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Reply #62 on: February 13, 2008, 04:47:27 PM
God exists because orgasms exist.  Oh, yes!  Oh God! Yes!  Yes! God yes!

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Reply #63 on: February 14, 2008, 06:33:05 AM
God exists because orgasms exist.  Oh, yes!  Oh God! Yes!  Yes! God yes!

He loves your O face baby...

remember in  Dogma....sex is comedy for angels with no pubes

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Reply #64 on: March 09, 2008, 12:27:31 PM
YES HE DOES

Yes God exists just look around you you think a big bang could have caused all you see around you ? It is men kind that caused all the foul ups.  Natural selection ? start selecting you can't select or change any thing in nature except for wrecking things.
When I look around me and see the beauty, design, color etc. it's impossible not to believe I would say.
If you are a parent do you let your child learn for them self at times or do you hold their hand so to speak all day long to make sure they don't do things they are not supposed to or do you allow they more and more freedom as they get older and learn more.
So does God allow us freedom to make good or screw up.?



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Reply #65 on: March 09, 2008, 12:45:52 PM
Duke:

I'm guessing almost no scientific education here, am I right? "Oh my the world is so complex I don't understand it - it must be a miracle. The sky is blue, it's a miracle, my fridge is cold, it's a fucking miracle!"

Intelligent design and irreducible complexity are intellectually lazy positions, and cannot be tested or challenged. You can't get God down to the lab to prove a fucking thing.
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Reply #66 on: March 10, 2008, 12:00:17 AM
I remember reading that a few years ago, it is pretty funny, but then so is most of the stuff on the onion. I love their fake C-span.


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Reply #67 on: March 16, 2008, 12:10:22 PM
6. Divine Intervention

As with all end of the world theories it's impossible to know if divine intervention is a feasible end of the world scenario. Despite its lack of scientific evidence it gains validity through strong support. Christians look to the Book of Revelation, Jews to the Book of Daniel, and Muslims believe that the coming of Mahdi will bring the end. All religions have a similar story: a divine force will intervene in the world to bring our history to an end and start a new moral order. Even non-believers have something to worry about since some doomsday groups decide to take these matters into their own hands. For example, the Aum Shinri Kyo sect that released Sarin nerve gas into a Tokyo subway station in 1995, killing 12 and injuring more than 5,000. Imagine what would happen if these groups got their hands on more powerful weapons.



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Reply #68 on: March 17, 2008, 02:33:03 PM

Well Off Truth, not much scientific there either I take it, I believe, if that is not scientific so be it. But I also know I did not come from a monkey background which of course you can prove scientifically that you did to bad not all your ancestors came along with you then you would have a lot bigger family. Unless of course you subscribe to the science of a  big bang theory. but then again science is still a guessing game and many historical items can not be proved or disproved by science
But all said and done I've seen the evidence of an EXISTING GOD and therefore I believe.



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Reply #69 on: March 17, 2008, 03:02:30 PM
Duke, you're not a big believer in a coherent sentence, are you?

Evidence, theory, guessing.

You're a layman, and when you say you have a hypothesis, you mean conjecture, a quick guess. When a scientists says they have a hypothesis, they mean they spent a few days at the library and were unable to prove themselves wrong, and so formulated a hypothesis.

Science is a guessing game, but our definition of 'guess' is the same as your definition of 'proof'. It's harder to convince a scientist that something is true than it is a layman like yourself. Why, I just bet I could have you convinced through a series of seemingly logical turns that there are only four elements in the universe.

You're the kind of person who would have accused a chemist of witchcraft in the 16th century, or voted to hang Galileo for refusing to believe that the sun was the center of the universe. As for believing in the big bang, I absolutely do, and this is why (assuming you can understand it, which I doubt):



You share 98 percent of your DNA with a chimpanzee. You're more closely related to them than they are to gorillas. You shit, fart, blow snot out of your nose and carry all manner of bacteria in your mouth and on your skin. You don't have any special dignity, you're not a 'child of god'. When you step on a bug, it dies. When you get shot in the head, you die, and you don't come back.
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Reply #70 on: March 17, 2008, 04:46:36 PM
Hey Duke, I'm an Atheist, that is I don't believe there  is a God. But I have many good friends who are devote Christians and Hindus, even my Christian friends follow different forms of worship. We are not trying to belittle your beliefs, this is room 1408 and so we can have heated debates and call each other names, but at the end of the day we move on like adults and sometimes have to agree to disagree.



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Reply #71 on: April 15, 2008, 07:20:13 AM
I have spent my life in a quest for "something more".  I was a satanist out of HS.  I joined the Mormon church, then became a charismatic Christian.  Now days I do not consider myself anything but me.  I believe that God exists, but for all I know he flies a starship and enjoys fucking with the backwards people he finds on pre technological worlds.  I think man as totally bumfucked the bible and I depend on my own inner voice to guide me.  If that is secretly god, so be it.



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Reply #72 on: April 16, 2008, 08:13:06 PM
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Reply #73 on: April 19, 2008, 06:47:49 PM
Most monkeys will not accept such garbage as creationism. They justify their beliefs using Batman and Robin as proof. According to the monkeys Batman and Robin are the transition form of man into bat-like creatures and she-women into criminal like men. Creationists have combated this argument by saying that, "batman and robin are really only a crazy homosexual couple who enjoy each other's underwear, and consequently have AIDS, as revealed by their white eyes."



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Reply #74 on: April 20, 2008, 12:30:27 PM
Duke:

I'm guessing almost no scientific education here, am I right? "Oh my the world is so complex I don't understand it - it must be a miracle. The sky is blue, it's a miracle, my fridge is cold, it's a fucking miracle!"

Yeah a real dumb fuck, right?

Hey Avata old girl, given that you scientists are the font of such wisdom, the holders of information and revelations not worthy of mere mortals such as Duke and me, its amazing that you all still have employment.
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Reply #75 on: April 20, 2008, 02:36:34 PM
Duke:

I'm guessing almost no scientific education here, am I right? "Oh my the world is so complex I don't understand it - it must be a miracle. The sky is blue, it's a miracle, my fridge is cold, it's a fucking miracle!"

Yeah a real dumb fuck, right?

Hey Avata old girl, given that you scientists are the font of such wisdom, the holders of information and revelations not worthy of mere mortals such as Duke and me, its amazing that you all still have employment.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Belief in a god based on no evidence is just a form of witchcraft, we have never actually seen a witch, but we know they exist because we have seen movies with them in. I saw the late great Charlton Heston playing Moses, I saw him part the sea, but unlike god believers I know it was just fiction for the masses. Religion was such a hit with mankind because by holding the citizens in fear of the almighty, we control them and gain gods power on earth. Scientists never ask anyone to believe in their discoveries, just examine the evidence and make their own minds up. Scientists don't form cults that end up in mass suicide, scientists just serve civilisation they don't wish to create one. Enigmata, all you have to do is examine the evidence, there is no need to be insulting, just look into your heart and you will find true forgiveness.
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Reply #76 on: April 20, 2008, 11:01:56 PM
Duke:

I'm guessing almost no scientific education here, am I right? "Oh my the world is so complex I don't understand it - it must be a miracle. The sky is blue, it's a miracle, my fridge is cold, it's a fucking miracle!"

Yeah a real dumb fuck, right?

Hey Avata old girl, given that you scientists are the font of such wisdom, the holders of information and revelations not worthy of mere mortals such as Duke and me, its amazing that you all still have employment.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Belief in a god based on no evidence is just a form of witchcraft, we have never actually seen a witch, but we know they exist because we have seen movies with them in. I saw the late great Charlton Heston playing Moses, I saw him part the sea, but unlike god believers I know it was just fiction for the masses. Religion was such a hit with mankind because by holding the citizens in fear of the almighty, we control them and gain gods power on earth. Scientists never ask anyone to believe in their discoveries, just examine the evidence and make their own minds up. Scientists don't form cults that end up in mass suicide, scientists just serve civilisation they don't wish to create one. Enigmata, all you have to do is examine the evidence, there is no need to be insulting, just look into your heart and you will find true forgiveness.

I thought "I'm guessing almost no scientific education here," was just a bit too condescending. It infers that he who has little education also has little wit.

"Scientists don't form cults that end up in mass suicide" ??
How do you Know what goes on behind the lab door, my old dueling partner?  ; ^-^
Hiroshima's history would indicate scientific collaboration and collusion with military killers.
Scientists continued to perfect their venerated bomb on Pacific atolls and the Australian mainland,  leaving behind a genetic legacy that is still the burden of the inhabitants.
 Purged of any guilt by the rantings from the pulpit of the anticommunist zealots; scientists continued their suicidal work, mindful that on judgement day some judge could press their red button.



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Reply #77 on: April 21, 2008, 04:57:51 AM
You're implying that my statement that the user had little scientific education was motivated solely by his belief in god. It was not. The user tried to convince us that god must exist because nothing else could explain nature. I responded that perhaps if the user had some scientific education, then he would not use 'irreducible complexity' as proof of god. Even Descartes, a firm believer in the divine, refused any argument of god that included god's subsequent creations.

Lack of scientific education may or may not be your problem, but reading comprehension certainly is.

Perhaps you could explain the relationship between theDuke's statement "Yes God exists just look around you you think a big bang could have caused all you see around you ?" and this graph I posted:



If you can't then perhaps you should stop attacking me for finding fault in the quasi-scientific opinions of others.


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Reply #78 on: April 21, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
It kind of pisses me off when I see christian people here. People that have read the KA stories and gotten off to them, and then went out and voted christian, or supported organizations that would see this place burned to the ground and me swinging in the breeze.

Guess what fuckers? You're going to be strung up right next to me.


Totally agree.  I, like Gia, was raised strickly Catholic and to this day I can't say I believe a damn thing.  If there really is a god, he wouldn't make innocent people suffer or die young when there's murderers and rapists living to be 90. 

Who cares at this point, the way I see it, live your life how you want while you're here, worry about where you go after death later!



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Reply #79 on: April 21, 2008, 04:46:36 PM

I thought "I'm guessing almost no scientific education here," was just a bit too condescending. It infers that he who has little education also has little wit.

"Scientists don't form cults that end up in mass suicide" ??
How do you Know what goes on behind the lab door, my old dueling partner?  ; ^-^
Hiroshima's history would indicate scientific collaboration and collusion with military killers.
Scientists continued to perfect their venerated bomb on Pacific atolls and the Australian mainland,  leaving behind a genetic legacy that is still the burden of the inhabitants.
 Purged of any guilt by the rantings from the pulpit of the anticommunist zealots; scientists continued their suicidal work, mindful that on judgement day some judge could press their red button.

There is something we can agree, scientists do make mistakes and some may be driven by greed, or have little conscience about how their work will be used by other humans.  Some are charlatans, claiming fraudulently  to have found some new 'discovery'.

 But all scientist's work can be examined and disagreed with by anyone with the interest and intellect to look.
Non of their work is ever taken just on faith. This is the fundamental difference between 'science' and religious faith. Religion expects those in their church to believe, without proof or examination, if you believe you are one of us and paradise awaits all believers. Where as 'science' is pored over, leafed through again and again, looking for the truth. This is what drives all scientists, like the elephant's child they are full of 'satiable curiosity.'
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