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Reply #1200 on: June 12, 2019, 06:54:17 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-cross-case-20190225-story,amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1QG1EP


I haven’t been following this case local to me very closely, but I did read something about it a while back that stuck with me.  Seems one of my fellow nonbelievers (or an atheist) said seeing the cross on his daily drives gave him anxiety, so it has to come down.  Now mind you the cross is a memorial to local residents that were killed in WWI and has no other religious symbolism other than being in the shape of a cross.  As a nonbeliever reading about this fellow nonbeliever having his ‘anxiety attacks’, it made me want to go find him and punch him in the mouth for being such an ass.

So I guess I’m saying people like him are why I can never identify as being an atheist.


I'm a confirmed and old-school theist, but I would never believe this guy to be representative of all atheists, or even some atheists (or agnostics, or non-believers). He's an outlier, and a somewhat extreme outlier.

And most atheists of my acquaintance -- and I know several -- respect the beliefs of religious believers, and do not object to them. I hope someday most theists will view atheists the same way: respecting their views, and not getting all bent out of shape when they express them.






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Reply #1201 on: June 12, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
I respect your right to believe anything you wish, but don’t tell me I must believe as you do, or attempt to impose your beliefs on others via political means.

I haven't read every post in this topic, but this was one of the best I have.
I especially love your last paragraph, that I quoted.

I have always been inspired by The Fourteen Precepts of Engaged Buddhism by Nobel Peace Prize nominee Thich Nhat Hanh, a Buddhist monk.  The first three (I encourage you to google the rest) are on point, and state:

Do not be idolatrous about or bound to any doctrine, theory, or ideology, even Buddhist ones. Buddhist systems of thought are guiding means; they are not absolute truth.

Do not think the knowledge you presently possess is changeless, absolute truth. Avoid being narrow-minded and bound to present views. Learn and practice nonattachment from views in order to be open to receive others’ viewpoints. Truth is found in life and not merely in conceptual knowledge. Be ready to learn throughout your entire life and to observe reality in yourself and in the world at all times.

Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education. However, through compassionate dialogue, help others renounce fanaticism and narrowness.

I think if everyone could adopt these doctrines, the world would be a much more peaceful place.



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Reply #1202 on: June 12, 2019, 07:34:08 PM
Yeah, that's what I ment.  #NotAllAtheists.  The worst of them are as bad as Theists, when it comes to bullying you for your beliefs, or lack thereof.  I get it from both of them, because they seem to take my lack of belief, either in a god, or the non-existence of god to be indecision.  They hope that they can reason with me, and bring me around to their camp.  "Maybe you just haven't met the right God yet?"

When I'm just waiting for Evidence.  Either way, I just can't draw a conclusion in a vaccum of evidence, and no thought experiemnt proves anything.  Honestly, both arguments sound like the passage on Babelfish from the Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy:

"The argument goes something like this: 'I refuse to prove that I exist,' says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith, I am nothing.' 'But, says Man, the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and, by your own arguments, you don't. QED.'

 'Oh dear,' says God, 'I hadn't thought of that,' and vanishes in a puff of logic. 'Oh, that was easy,' says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing."

That's basically the crux of the Atheist Argument:  "I don't have any evidence either, so let me make something up, which sounds convincing."  Yeah, well that's how the Greeks went to war with Cheme (Now called Egypt) over whether the sun was a boat, or a chariot.



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Reply #1203 on: June 12, 2019, 08:59:20 PM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.baltimoresun.com/politics/bs-md-cross-case-20190225-story,amp.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1QG1EP


I haven’t been following this case local to me very closely, but I did read something about it a while back that stuck with me.  Seems one of my fellow nonbelievers (or an atheist) said seeing the cross on his daily drives gave him anxiety, so it has to come down.  Now mind you the cross is a memorial to local residents that were killed in WWI and has no other religious symbolism other than being in the shape of a cross.  As a nonbeliever reading about this fellow nonbeliever having his ‘anxiety attacks’, it made me want to go find him and punch him in the mouth for being such an ass.

So I guess I’m saying people like him are why I can never identify as being an atheist.


I'm a confirmed and old-school theist, but I would never believe this guy to be representative of all atheists, or even some atheists (or agnostics, or non-believers). He's an outlier, and a somewhat extreme outlier.

And most atheists of my acquaintance -- and I know several -- respect the beliefs of religious believers, and do not object to them. I hope someday most theists will view atheists the same way: respecting their views, and not getting all bent out of shape when they express them.







It always seems to come down to the worst members of any group being held up as ‘typical’ for that group.  All Republicans are bigots and all Democrats are socialist kooks that want free stuff.

Crazy thing is these outliers got their case to the SCOTUS.

Some might say that my being a closeted atheist is not standing up for my beliefs.  Perhaps it is in a way, but I also don’t feel the need to convert anyone.  Nobody converted me (unlike what many religious people might think).  I came to my conclusions at a young age completely on my own by having an interest in science and have seen nothing since to make me believe otherwise.  Want to believe as a I believe, you’ll have to get there without any preaching from me.  I’ll have discussions and answer questions as long as I feel the questions are sincere, but I’ll never be a crusader.



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Reply #1204 on: June 12, 2019, 09:29:58 PM
It always seems to come down to the worst members of any group being held up as ‘typical’ for that group.  All Republicans are bigots and all Democrats are socialist kooks that want free stuff.

It seems that unless you're Very specific (Antichristians instead of Atheists) then they assume that the word All is implied in the statement.  Not that statement, for some reason it's not automatically assumed that i mean the word All statement.  Just statements of identities.  Any identity, even not your own.  If someone says bitches love money, then either she says "I'm not a bitch," or he says they aren't All after your money.
Either way, any subject of identity.  Spiritual identity, political identity, national identity.

Americans are like that.
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Reply #1205 on: June 14, 2019, 07:05:44 PM

Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education. However, through compassionate dialogue, help others renounce fanaticism and narrowness.


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Reply #1206 on: June 14, 2019, 07:07:40 PM

Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education. However, through compassionate dialogue, help others renounce fanaticism and narrowness.




And if your non-religion makes you hate religion, or religious believers, you need a new life.






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Reply #1207 on: June 14, 2019, 07:26:38 PM

And if your non-religion makes you hate religion, or religious believers, you need a new life.



And a new non-religion.

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Reply #1208 on: June 14, 2019, 08:19:37 PM



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Reply #1209 on: November 01, 2019, 09:11:24 PM



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Reply #1210 on: November 01, 2019, 11:17:40 PM
This inflation paradox is ultimately what made them make up Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Dark Drift.  I'm not sure any of them actually exist.  They made up Dark Matter to explain a problem with the equation underpinning the Hubble Constant.  So, the Universe had to be more massive (And therefore have a greater gravitational density) than they could measure, so they made up a special form of matter that they can't detect to balance the equation.

That threw the equation for universal expansion off, so they made up Dark Energy to explain that...



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Reply #1211 on: November 30, 2019, 08:41:20 PM
This inflation paradox is ultimately what made them make up Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Dark Drift.  I'm not sure any of them actually exist.  They made up Dark Matter to explain a problem with the equation underpinning the Hubble Constant.  So, the Universe had to be more massive (And therefore have a greater gravitational density) than they could measure, so they made up a special form of matter that they can't detect to balance the equation.

That threw the equation for universal expansion off, so they made up Dark Energy to explain that...

Then again...

Stellar Black Hole in Our Galaxy Is So Massive It Shouldn't Exist




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Reply #1212 on: December 01, 2019, 12:29:59 AM
Does God exist? For anyone with an open, enquiring mind there can only be one conclusion, extremely unlikely. I think of myself as an atheist, i.e there definitely isn't a god, but no one can prove there isn't one, so I guess I'm an atheist/slightly agnostic. Those who believe, just believe, why? Their parents believed and passed on their blind faith to their offspring. The belief in god causes more horror and distress to humankind than any good it purports. Isn't it time we ditched  god and started using our brains?
For me the answer is yes and no, and if you know what I mean then you know what I mean and if not, give it time.
For those who have seen no explanation is necessary, and for those who have not none would suffice.
The problem with religion is that if a person has a revelation it's a revelation for that person.
As soon as they tell that to someone else it becomes hearsay.
I'm not saying that hearsay can't be good evidence, and even in a court of law it's often accepted, but there's no substitute for seeing it yourself.
I don't believe it's an accident that all of our great spiritual icons like Jesus and Buddha are essentially men of peace.
Clearly something vital is getting lost in translation but that's the bitch of it.
Fact is if you could perceive the universe, how it functions, and your place in it for even a second you'd realize that a question like, "Is there a god?" is superfluous and kind of absurd.
For me the game is to live in such a way that when you die it doesn't matter if there's a God or not, you did it right and can die at peace.

But that's just what I think.



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Reply #1213 on: December 01, 2019, 01:17:49 AM
This inflation paradox is ultimately what made them make up Dark Matter, Dark Energy, and Dark Drift.  I'm not sure any of them actually exist.  They made up Dark Matter to explain a problem with the equation underpinning the Hubble Constant.  So, the Universe had to be more massive (And therefore have a greater gravitational density) than they could measure, so they made up a special form of matter that they can't detect to balance the equation.

That threw the equation for universal expansion off, so they made up Dark Energy to explain that...

Then again...

Stellar Black Hole in Our Galaxy Is So Massive It Shouldn't Exist





Possibly something that has even more suction than Chirp.



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Reply #1214 on: December 01, 2019, 01:51:38 AM
Interstellar should have been called Intergalactic. #thoughtsintheshower



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Reply #1215 on: December 12, 2019, 01:02:48 AM

Do not force others, including children, by any means whatsoever, to adopt your views, whether by authority, threat, money, propaganda, or even education. However, through compassionate dialogue, help others renounce fanaticism and narrowness.




And if your non-religion makes you hate religion, or religious believers, you need a new life.



If your life experiences with religion lead you to the conclusion that religious beliefs lead to evil or shameful conduct, gently encourage those you care about to explore why they are attached to those beliefs when those beliefs are so massively unfounded.

Don't sweat the petty stuff, pet the sweaty stuff.


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Reply #1216 on: February 03, 2020, 03:30:19 PM
Does God exist? For anyone with an open, enquiring mind there can only be one conclusion, extremely unlikely. I think of myself as an atheist, i.e there isn't a god, but no one can prove there isn't one, so I guess I'm an atheist/slightly agnostic. Those who believe, just believe, why? Their parents believed and passed on their blind faith to their offspring. The belief in god causes more horror and distress to humankind than any good it purports. Isn't it time we ditched god and started using our brains?

I think a person is entitled to believe in whatever they wish. The efforts at brainwashing worked until I reached the age of reasoning at around 9 or 10 for me.

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Reply #1217 on: February 21, 2020, 01:28:57 AM
I haven't believed in a god since I was in my mid teens and throughout my life I've grown to
despise all religions because of their bigotry and hatred for anyone who doesn't think as they do. Just recently I found this short video on youtube that sums up my feelings and what I personally believe.


Inside every "God bless your heart" is a tiny "F**k you"


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Reply #1218 on: April 05, 2021, 03:11:16 AM
if there is a God he? certainly takes no interest in the daily workings of anybody on this earth witness the number of young children who die from dreadful diseases that have no human cause; if there is a God we can only meet him? after we have passed from this earthly world where the bible tells us we shall enjoy 'everlasting life'. We are also told that all sinners are forgiven, I wonder will he? forgive Hitler. PS you do not have to believe in a god to live like a christian.



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Reply #1219 on: April 05, 2021, 11:27:22 AM
if there be a god
then god is a shit
a negligent shit
or sadistic shit
i'm not sure which
but either way
a shit they be
if they be at all