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« Reply #3195 on: October 12, 2017, 06:08:45 PM »


Has anyone else ever noticed that Trump’s facial and body postures imitate Mussilini’s? It’s the same arrogant, bravado posturing.


Oh, God, yes; Katiebee. I noticed that as soon as he started on the campaign trail.


Khrushchev’s Granddaughter, Nina Khrushcheva, has compared Trump to Stalin.  This comparison relies on what Trump has said about revoking media licenses for bias.

“Somewhere on the way to his real estate/reality TV career he forgot his lessons in civics and American democracy from high school. Or maybe he always had an ‘F’ in those subjects; being rich, he didn’t and still doesn’t think they apply to him. For that we are all paying dearly.

And the longer he stays in, offering more and more somewhat Stalinesque amendments to American democracy, the more autocratic erosion to this once wonderful system we will experience.”


A lot of Trump's threats are baseless boasting blather, things he has neither the power nor the authority to follow up on or do anything about, and that are best ignored.

This threat, however, should be taken very seriously, since Trump does, at least in theory, have the power to follow up on.

My personal theory (take it or leave it) is that when it comes to using Twitter, Trump knows exactly what he's doing. Add to that, in his dealings with the mainstream media, Trump isn't shooting from the hip as much as many seem to think he is. Granted, he's still a bully, and a troll, and he has the social grace, tact, and insight of a poorly raised five-year-old, but his Tweets and statements are calculated.

I know I can be naive, but I was genuinely puzzled by Trump's statements in the immediate aftermath of the Charlottesville incident. Every single one of his predecessors, and most people with even half a brain, know what Trump should have said. And, I suspect, even Trump himself knew what he should have said. But Trump deliberately decided to say what he did, knowing full well both the absurdity and the consequences of what he saying it. His statements were deliberately calculated.

To make things worse, despite everything he's done and said, Trump still has staunch allies and supporters across the country (and, of course, on KB) who will defend everything he says, and spin everything he says to serve their own ends.

And, if I'm right, that makes Trump even more dangerous, and even more detrimental to this country, than I previously believed him to be.



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« Reply #3196 on: October 12, 2017, 07:12:15 PM »

  So far as Charlottesville, and Trump's statement(s), his statement is/was accurate, referring to violence and those who came equipped for violence, the Antifa and their ilk, and Nazi/KKK types alike.

  Without Anifa, there was no violence during the event, no rioting at all. One individual, for whatever reason, decided to mow down people blocking an intersection/street with his car, AFTER the event was shut down. That violence is on that individual, who has been caught, charged, and is awaiting his fate in a trial.

  What the President spoke of was the fact that both/all sides promoted an atmosphere of violence, and he was exactly correct in that regard. That the statement from the White House was not the usual politically correct one, is the reality of 2017, and sometimes 'the truth' is worth hearing.

  The media reported what they wanted to hear, as if there were no Antifa at all, as if the President was addressing the incident with the auto and the death of a person by auto, at the hand of one individual, or whatever political persuasion.

  The fact that controversial people requested a permit and were granted that permit, to peacefully demonstrate, and that their peaceful demonstration was denied them due to leftist antisocial thugs was not fully reported, even to this day. Disruption of a peaceful demonstration was lauded by leftists, politicians, press, all of them.

  Stories were run on broadcast and in print that 'assumed' a lot of violence, with no reason for such assumptions. One Synogogue group, reported on as 'fleeing for their lives', when someone said armed men were on a street corner nearby. It is legal in Virginia for people to be armed, to carry weapons in plain view, and not uncommon for people to carry firearms as a form of demonstration, having nothing to do with threats to the folks on a synogogue.

  Assumptions, presumptions, and full fanning of flames by Terry McAwful, with his representative observing from a sixth floor vantage point that the park and the crowd looked like a hockey game... after police blocked the entrance street where the permitted group was supposed to arrive, behind police lines, and the group of protestors was directed into a mob of thug leftist agitators.

  The President was commenting about the thug agitators of the left, and the supposed "alt-right" who got a permit to be there, when he referred to both sides. He is correct, and 'never had a chance', unless he read from an Obama type script, and ignored the truth about the agitators.
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« Reply #3197 on: October 12, 2017, 08:55:32 PM »

A lot of Trump's threats are baseless boasting blather, things he has neither the power nor the authority to follow up on or do anything about, and that are best ignored.

This threat, however, should be taken very seriously, since Trump does, at least in theory, have the power to follow up on.

My personal theory (take it or leave it) is that when it comes to using Twitter, Trump knows exactly what he's doing. Add to that, in his dealings with the mainstream media, Trump isn't shooting from the hip as much as many seem to think he is. Granted, he's still a bully, and a troll, and he has the social grace, tact, and insight of a poorly raised five-year-old, but his Tweets and statements are calculated.

I know I can be naive, but I was genuinely puzzled by Trump's statements in the immediate aftermath of the Charlottesville incident. Every single one of his predecessors, and most people with even half a brain, know what Trump should have said. And, I suspect, even Trump himself knew what he should have said. But Trump deliberately decided to say what he did, knowing full well both the absurdity and the consequences of what he saying it. His statements were deliberately calculated.

To make things worse, despite everything he's done and said, Trump still has staunch allies and supporters across the country (and, of course, on KB) who will defend everything he says, and spin everything he says to serve their own ends.

And, if I'm right, that makes Trump even more dangerous, and even more detrimental to this country, than I previously believed him to be.

We agree about all of that, MissBarbara. It is not wise to take Trump's Fascistic moves as unserious simply because he has be thwarted in achieving some of them. He has also be successful at achieving some of them, and he has so far completely compromised the only entity with the power to really slow him down -- the Republican party.

Trump is following HItler's playbook to a "T", and it's damn scary, and damn scary that he gets away with as much as he does.
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« Reply #3198 on: October 12, 2017, 09:00:05 PM »

Only a fool would fail to take this threat seriously. Trump represents an existential danger to the United States, its institutions, its place in the world and its people.

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« Reply #3199 on: October 12, 2017, 09:02:50 PM »

 So far as Charlottesville, and Trump's statement(s), his statement is/was accurate, referring to violence and those who came equipped for violence, the Antifa and their ilk, and Nazi/KKK types alike.

  Without Anifa, there was no violence during the event, no rioting at all. One individual, for whatever reason, decided to mow down people blocking an intersection/street with his car, AFTER the event was shut down. That violence is on that individual, who has been caught, charged, and is awaiting his fate in a trial.

  What the President spoke of was the fact that both/all sides promoted an atmosphere of violence, and he was exactly correct in that regard. That the statement from the White House was not the usual politically correct one, is the reality of 2017, and sometimes 'the truth' is worth hearing.

  The media reported what they wanted to hear, as if there were no Antifa at all, as if the President was addressing the incident with the auto and the death of a person by auto, at the hand of one individual, or whatever political persuasion.

  The fact that controversial people requested a permit and were granted that permit, to peacefully demonstrate, and that their peaceful demonstration was denied them due to leftist antisocial thugs was not fully reported, even to this day. Disruption of a peaceful demonstration was lauded by leftists, politicians, press, all of them.

  Stories were run on broadcast and in print that 'assumed' a lot of violence, with no reason for such assumptions. One Synogogue group, reported on as 'fleeing for their lives', when someone said armed men were on a street corner nearby. It is legal in Virginia for people to be armed, to carry weapons in plain view, and not uncommon for people to carry firearms as a form of demonstration, having nothing to do with threats to the folks on a synogogue.

  Assumptions, presumptions, and full fanning of flames by Terry McAwful, with his representative observing from a sixth floor vantage point that the park and the crowd looked like a hockey game... after police blocked the entrance street where the permitted group was supposed to arrive, behind police lines, and the group of protestors was directed into a mob of thug leftist agitators.

  The President was commenting about the thug agitators of the left, and the supposed "alt-right" who got a permit to be there, when he referred to both sides. He is correct, and 'never had a chance', unless he read from an Obama type script, and ignored the truth about the agitators.




As always, thanks for your contributions, Joan.
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« Reply #3200 on: October 12, 2017, 09:15:19 PM »

Northwest, it is a pity you are so overcome by fear of the President. I watch as he sometimes stumbles, gets off message, is distracted and distracting, and he frustrates me by not moving straight at it to get things accomplished.

I must accept, since he is the only voice taking American voters seriously, his choices on when and how to proceed, or deflect then proceed, however they may be rehashed by the media for click bait, that he will proceed to the goals better than any other elected official with a chance to succeed.

I know you wish to frustrate, or see another, or all others frustrate him, and his goals, and that is I suppose part of our system. We disagree, and you must be overcome, or just run over as will likely be necessary, in one form or another to get things corrected, and make America great again.
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« Reply #3201 on: October 12, 2017, 09:58:13 PM »

Northwest, it is a pity you are so overcome by fear of the President. I watch as he sometimes stumbles, gets off message, is distracted and distracting, and he frustrates me by not moving straight at it to get things accomplished.

I must accept, since he is the only voice taking American voters seriously, his choices on when and how to proceed, or deflect then proceed, however they may be rehashed by the media for click bait, that he will proceed to the goals better than any other elected official with a chance to succeed.

I know you wish to frustrate, or see another, or all others frustrate him, and his goals, and that is I suppose part of our system. We disagree, and you must be overcome, or just run over as will likely be necessary, in one form or another to get things corrected, and make America great again.


Joan, you have completely misunderstood the key concepts, values and principals upon which the nation was founded and has prospered under since its founding. But you are completely blinded by an idealogical framework which distorts your view. You, essentially, are not living in reality.

Obviously, you aren't going to believe me about this. But consider the fact that MOST of the nation would agree with me on this (see my last thousand posts for backup) and virtually ALL OF THE WORLD OUTSIDE THE UNITED STATES would agree too, and you realize that it's only a tiny group of...why mince words...Fascists who fail to recognize what's going on.

You've drunk the Koolaid, Joan, and you can't see what's right in front of your face.
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« Reply #3202 on: October 12, 2017, 09:58:21 PM »


My personal theory (take it or leave it) is that when it comes to using Twitter, Trump knows exactly what he's doing. Add to that, in his dealings with the mainstream media, Trump isn't shooting from the hip as much as many seem to think he is. Granted, he's still a bully, and a troll, and he has the social grace, tact, and insight of a poorly raised five-year-old, but his Tweets and statements are calculated.


As for Twitter, sadly it is the wave of the future for political candidates to reach the people. Obama used it successfully but unlike other forms of media messaging, Twitter is just someone's thoughts, unproven as to facts that may be stated in the message. And, as shown many times by our current President, Tweets can be inflammatory, crude, etc.  Is this the way to have elected officials speak to their citizens?  Ugh.
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« Reply #3203 on: October 12, 2017, 11:40:35 PM »

   Without Anifa, there was no violence during the event, no rioting at all. One individual, for whatever reason, decided to mow down people blocking an intersection/street with his car, AFTER the event was shut down. That violence is on that individual, who has been caught, charged, and is awaiting his fate in a trial.

WTF are you smoking Joan?  The violence started before Antifa even showed up on the scene when the white supremacists nearly beat a black man to death in a parking garage.



The victim, DeAndre Harris was not Antifa, but a resident of Charlottesville who had every right to protest the racists that poured into his community from across the county to provoke violence.

As Arnold Schwarzenegger said:  There are not two sides to hatred and bigotry.

Hatred and bigotry are simply wrong.  This is not hard.

All good Americans are against fascists.  Are you a good American, Joan?
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« Reply #3204 on: October 13, 2017, 12:03:49 AM »

Twitter is just someone's thoughts, unproven as to facts that may be stated in the message.

This is wrong.

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« Reply #3205 on: October 13, 2017, 12:06:16 AM »

Twitter is just someone's thoughts, unproven as to facts that may be stated in the message.

This is wrong.

#Resist

How can it be wrong....??
Look at the stuff Trump posts on Twitter......

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« Reply #3206 on: October 13, 2017, 12:09:22 AM »

Twitter is just someone's thoughts, unproven as to facts that may be stated in the message.

This is wrong.

#Resist

How can it be wrong....??
Look at the stuff Trump posts on Twitter......

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There are tons of credible sources on Twitter.

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« Reply #3207 on: October 13, 2017, 12:13:31 AM »



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« Reply #3208 on: October 13, 2017, 12:15:14 AM »


Twitter is just someone's thoughts, unproven as to facts that may be stated in the message.


This is wrong.

#Resist


How can it be wrong....??
Look at the stuff Trump posts on Twitter......

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There are tons of credible sources on Twitter.

#Resist


Exactly.

Like every single information source, it's the content, not the medium.



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« Reply #3209 on: October 13, 2017, 12:25:21 AM »


One individual, for whatever reason, decided to mow down people blocking an intersection/street with his car, AFTER the event was shut down. That violence is on that individual, who has been caught, charged, and is awaiting his fate in a trial.


That might be the most disingenuous thing you've ever written on this Board.

Which side was that "one individual" on? Was he there to support the neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Anti-Semites, White Nationalists, and other fascists? Or was he there to protest the neo-Nazis, White Supremacists, Anti-Semites, White Nationalists, and other fascists?

Does it really matter at which point in the demonstration this "one individual" murdered that innocent young woman?

"For whatever reason"? Really? You've outdone yourself in your mendacity.



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