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« Reply #6525 on: September 15, 2020, 01:51:51 AM »

As fires ravage California, Trump gives his climate-change solution: 'It'll start getting cooler'

“If we ignore that science and put our head in the sand and think it’s all about vegetation management, we’re not going to succeed at protecting Californians,” Wade Crowfoot, California’s secretary of natural resources, responded.

“It’ll start getting cooler,” Trump replied. “You just watch.”

“I wish science agreed with you,” Crowfoot said.

“Well, I don’t think science knows actually,” Trump retorted, laughing.
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« Reply #6526 on: September 15, 2020, 02:12:13 AM »

Wow his stupidity just keeps surprising me.  Him and his dedicated voters need to learn there is a difference between climate and temperature.
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« Reply #6527 on: September 15, 2020, 04:49:34 AM »

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« Reply #6528 on: September 15, 2020, 07:26:47 AM »

From a novel about the NW Frontier in India:

"[He] had been plotting evil. He was a man who would have shrivelled up, become atrophied, in an atmosphere of decency — he would have died."

(W. A. Fraser. Caste. London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1922.)
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« Reply #6529 on: September 15, 2020, 02:28:53 PM »

From a novel about the NW Frontier in India:

"[He] had been plotting evil. He was a man who would have shrivelled up, become atrophied, in an atmosphere of decency — he would have died."

(W. A. Fraser. Caste. London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1922.)


Between missbarbara's educational tidbits and now I'm seeing what looks  like APA citations, I'm going to start feeling like I'm back in college.  Except with porn  emot_laughing
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« Reply #6530 on: September 15, 2020, 02:51:30 PM »

From a novel about the NW Frontier in India:

"[He] had been plotting evil. He was a man who would have shrivelled up, become atrophied, in an atmosphere of decency — he would have died."

(W. A. Fraser. Caste. London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1922.)
Between missbarbara's educational tidbits and now I'm seeing what looks  like APA citations, I'm going to start feeling like I'm back in college.  Except with porn  emot_laughing

Sorry for the non-standard format. I should have reversed the name, but I figured it might look odd to some readers. As in: Fraser, W. A. Caste.

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« Reply #6531 on: September 15, 2020, 07:51:11 PM »

Between missbarbara's educational tidbits and now I'm seeing what looks  like APA citations, I'm going to start feeling like I'm back in college.

Except I hated college. 
And I love KB.
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« Reply #6532 on: September 15, 2020, 08:07:34 PM »

Between missbarbara's educational tidbits and now I'm seeing what looks  like APA citations, I'm going to start feeling like I'm back in college.

Except I hated college. 
And I love KB.

I did tech school so all but 2 or 3 of my classes were online.
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« Reply #6533 on: September 16, 2020, 12:06:50 AM »

Between missbarbara's educational tidbits and now I'm seeing what looks  like APA citations, I'm going to start feeling like I'm back in college.

Except I hated college. 
And I love KB.

Those posts are better than 99% of the content here to me.

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« Reply #6534 on: September 16, 2020, 12:33:36 AM »

Lawyers allege abuse of migrant women by gynecologist for Georgia ICE detention center

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WASHINGTON — A nurse who worked at an Immigration and Customs Enforcement detention center in Irwin County, Georgia and four lawyers representing clients there are claiming that immigrant women are routinely being sent to a gynecologist who has left them bruised and performed unnecessary procedures, including hysterectomies.

The doctor, who three lawyers identified as Dr. Mahendra Amin, practicing in Douglas, Georgia, has continued to see women from the Irwin County Detention Center for the past several years despite complaints from his patients.

Amin was the subject of a Justice Department investigation in 2015 for making false claims to Medicaid and Medicare. As a result, he and other doctors involved paid $525,000 in a civil settlement, according to the Justice Department.

The lawyers identified the doctor after a whistleblower complaint to the Inspector General for the Department of Homeland Security was filed by Dawn Wooten, who worked as a nurse inside the facility. She said in the complaint that detainees were not getting Covid-19 tests and other needed medical care. The complaint was first reported by the Intercept.

Wooten worked full time as a licensed practical nurse at the Irwin County Detention Center in Ocilla, Georgia, until being demoted in July.

The complaint cites both allegations from unnamed detained immigrants and Wooten.

The facility houses immigrant detainees in the custody of ICE, which is a part of the Department of Homeland Security. It also houses inmates for Irwin County and the U.S. Marshals Service.

Project South, Georgia Detention Watch, Georgia Latino Alliance for Human Rights and South Georgia Immigrant Support Network filed the complaint on behalf of detained immigrants at the center and Wooten.

Wooten was demoted in July from a full-time nurse to “as-needed” after missing work because she had coronavirus symptoms. She said she believes the demotion was in retaliation for raising coronavirus protocol concerns, according to the complaint.

She also said that there was not enough active testing of the immigrant detainees for the coronavirus and that the facility was not “reporting all these cases that are positive,” meaning the number of cases at the facility was possibly much higher than that reported by ICE.

Elizabeth Mathren, a lawyer who represented several women who saw Amin through her work with the Southern Poverty Law Center beginning in 2017, said she brought their complaints to managers of the detention facility.

"Two to three years ago, I had a face-to-face conversation with (someone in management). I was so disturbed. I begged her to get my client treatment with a different doctor. I told her I had heard from multiple people that he was rough, that they were scared to go to him, that they didn't understand what he was doing," said Elizabeth Mathren, who represented several women through her work with the Southern Poverty Law Center beginning in 2017.

Mathren she had at least one client report bruising after being examined by Amin.

But Mathren said immigrant women have continually been sent to Amin, despite concerns. The facility is privately contracted by LaSalle Corrections. A company spokesperson did not respond to a request for comment by NBC News.

A woman who answered the phone at Amin’s practice hung up the phone when asked for comment.

Benjamin Osorio, another lawyer representing women in the Irwin County facility, said two of his clients received hysterectomies that they believe may have been unnecessary.

One of the women, who is of child-bearing age, was told she needed to have a hysterectomy after Amin found ovarian cysts, Osorio said. She was advised that they were cancerous, but her records indicate she was not given a biopsy to confirm the cancer, he said. In another case, he said, his client was told she had stage 4 cervical cancer and would need a hysterectomy and chemotherapy. But after her hysterectomy, an oncologist in Charlotte said she did not have cancer, according to Osorio.

Another lawyer, Sarah Owings, said she has heard of many women who are told they have ovarian cysts that need to be removed or drained.

"I don’t think this is necessarily a systemic sterilization by ICE. I think this is the kind of thing that is allowed to flourish in the course of poor oversight and terrible, inhumane conditions of confinement," said Owings.

In her complaint, Wooten said some of her patients told her they were afraid to go to a doctor they called the "uterus collector," according to the complaint.

In an interview with NBC News, Wooten said, "I had a detainee that asked me, she said, 'What is he doing Ms. Wooten, collecting all of our uteruses?' And I just looked at her puzzled because I didn’t have an answer."

In a statement responding to Wooten's allegations, a spokesperson for ICE said, "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) does not comment on matters presented to the Office of the Inspector General, which provides independent oversight and accountability within the U.S. Department of Homeland Security. ICE takes all allegations seriously and defers to the OIG regarding any potential investigation and/or results. That said, in general, anonymous, unproven allegations, made without any fact-checkable specifics, should be treated with the appropriate skepticism they deserve.”

ICE did not immediately respond to a request for comment based on the lawyers' allegations.

"The new shocking revelations about the abuses against women's bodies must lead to the immediate closure of this horrid facility," Azadeh Shahshahani, legal and advocacy director at Project South, said in a statement. "ICE and the private prison corporation must be held accountable."

The agency said it is committed to the safety and welfare of those in its custody and its facilities are subject to regular inspections. The Irwin County Detention Center has repeatedly been found to operate in compliance with ICE’s performance standards, the agency said.

Shredding medical request forms
Wooten alleged in her complaint that men and women at the detention center “overwhelmingly reported not being tested for Covid-19 from March until August 18,” when those in the ICE facility were given the option to be tested.

A woman reported that 100 women slept in a unit where women “coughed, had fever and other discomforts, but officers did not listen to them when they reported their health problems,” and that they were never tested for Covid-19, according to the complaint.

“After demanding that the sick women be taken to the medical unit, she reported that the women were finally taken but were brought back within an hour and just given pain killers,” the complaint said.

Wooten also claimed that it was common practice for a sick call nurse to shred medical request forms from detainees requesting to go to the medical unit and fabricate records such as vital signs without seeing the patient seeking help, the complaint said.

ICE said in its statement that its epidemiologists have been continually tracking the outbreak, regularly updating its infection prevention and control protocols, and issuing guidance to staff for the management of potential exposure among detainees.

ICE said on its website that as of Sept. 13, there were 42 confirmed cases of Covid-19 among its detainees at Irwin County Detention Center, and 5,772 in all of its facilities, with six overall deaths.

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« Reply #6535 on: September 16, 2020, 04:44:54 PM »

Good post there Athos!

Meanwhile Trump is talking about "herd mentality" when he means herd immunity.  Freudian slip, no doubt.

Yes we could try for herd immunity by allowing COVID-19 to spread unhindered, but the death count will be very high.  Clearly the number of people that have been infected with the virus has been higher, perhaps 10-15%?  And that has resulted in 194,092 deaths.  How many more deaths will result by the time 80% are infected? 
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« Reply #6536 on: September 16, 2020, 07:58:49 PM »

Forced hysterectomies on a mass scale?  

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The study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.

43 days until the election... or as I call it, “The calm before the storm.”
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« Reply #6537 on: September 16, 2020, 08:14:53 PM »



Meanwhile Trump is talking about "herd mentality" when he means herd immunity.  Freudian slip, no doubt.



By herd mentality, maybe he meant the lower right corner here:




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« Reply #6538 on: September 17, 2020, 01:18:24 AM »

Forced hysterectomies on a mass scale?  

eu·gen·ics
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The study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.


Galton's suggestion was to encourage gifted people to marry a little earlier. Early marriage = more children. It might take centuries, but eventually the proportion of gifted people in the population should rise. He said we owe it to the future to consider something along those lines.
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« Reply #6539 on: September 17, 2020, 05:21:41 AM »

Forced hysterectomies on a mass scale?  

eu·gen·ics
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The study of how to arrange reproduction within a human population to increase the occurrence of heritable characteristics regarded as desirable. Developed largely by Francis Galton as a method of improving the human race, it fell into disfavor only after the perversion of its doctrines by the Nazis.


Galton's suggestion was to encourage gifted people to marry a little earlier. Early marriage = more children. It might take centuries, but eventually the proportion of gifted people in the population should rise. He said we owe it to the future to consider something along those lines.


Lavinia, I have wondered if you might not be a new name for a former member, but I really appreciate your thoughtful posts, and hope you will be a permanent member of our community. 
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