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Reply #270 on: December 01, 2019, 08:16:29 PM
Haha oh...are you triggering me or triggered by me?



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Reply #271 on: December 01, 2019, 08:19:38 PM
Weather does change all the time as does climate. Please explain how climate doesn’t change? Seems to me the earth has cycled from ice age and back quite a few times in its history.

It’s okay to have apposing viewpoints. If we want to get into a playful game of name calling as Psi and I did, I’m game for it haha. We should make another place for that tho. I think Joan (tho I don’t speak for her) and myself would like to know what your reasoning is for believing the way you do. Remember you commented on her post so are you both just trolling or actually want to express a differing viewpoint?
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Reply #272 on: December 01, 2019, 10:33:50 PM
The last big climate change occurance was the ice age.  That was very long ago in tems of human life.  It occured before what we call human civilization, and it was not very good for humans.  Scientists theorize that civilization would have come about much earlier if not for the ice age.

There have also been past climates that were extremely warm.  One such period resulted in the Permian extinction, in which 90% of all life on the planet died.  It can be viewed as a worst case scenario.

In light of the disaterous effects climate change is likely to have for human life, if we could do something to stop it we should.  Think it costs to much?  In the short term maybe, but in the long term spending a lot now may have returns that are beyond money.  They may be human saving.





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Reply #273 on: December 01, 2019, 11:18:24 PM
Did this thread change NAME?

When, Why, please advise.

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Reply #274 on: December 01, 2019, 11:29:38 PM
I agree on the past historic changes of climate. On a smaller scale the little ice age came after a warming period as well. So if these changes happened in history multiple times they what would make you think that the current models are correct? Also what makes you believe that humans are to blame...if you believe that they are to blame, Lois.
As Joan said, the US is probly one of the only countries that meets or exceeds the goals of the Paris Accord right now. Not sure I can ever agree with the idea that we can stop the natural course of our planet. No matter how much money is thrown at fixing what may not need fixed. I don’t deny the climate is changing whatsoever.



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Reply #275 on: December 02, 2019, 06:08:18 AM
Now darn it Farmer Miles, I was hoping that Toe or Lois would have responded. Well written or typed rather. I enjoy your in-site and way of putting thought down on paper ( or computer).
Okay it would seem I can’t dispute most of what you have explained other than we are a natural part of this planet. We are a part of it. We didn’t come here from another planet with the potential of off setting the balance. We are part of the balance. Everything we are and do is a part of it. We are made here and die here. Seems simple doesn’t it. There is more scientific proof in the way our planet changes and renews itself, I think we can agree on that. So if these things are true and global warming is “man made” Because of emissions of green house gases during and since the industrial revolution then the problem is solely man kind. Also that would mean the problem is getting worse because there are more people on earth requiring more food, etc, etc . Are we really going to be throwing money at a problem that really would require only removing 3/4 of the human population because that is what would have to be done. Well who’s first? This is why people don’t stop driving and turning lights on. Without killing off most of the human race, the natural events are set and we are along for the ride. Other than finding another planet or killing billions of innocent people, which to me are both ridiculous than I see nothing we can do and no amount of money can change that. We need to accept that we are a natural part of this place we call home and enjoy it while we are here. I think it is more likely that an asteroid or commit takes us out before the side affects of natural global warmings and natural climate changes.
Climate change and global warming is nothing new. It is natural. Blaming Trump or corporations and other people along with trying to make people feel bad for something we have very little control over is ridiculous, tho effective when raising money. Especially when as a nation, the US is already doing it’s fair share and more.
What would you have done different during the industrial revolution? Since this seems to be what everyone agrees was the start. Did it seem like we did the best with what we had?
Are you willing to spend that money on the slaughter of so many innocent humans? No I don’t actually believe you would want this, just to be clear.





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Reply #276 on: December 02, 2019, 04:53:59 PM
Oh yes, I remember in the 1990s we were all supposed to burn up in a Terminator movie type fiery blaze because of global warming by like 2010. Here we are damn near 2020. Still can’t clean the air any better. Even solar technology really hasn’t advanced much more. You are worried about something that many scientist are predicting. They analyze info., interpret the data, creat a program with worst case scenario using the data. As far as us inventing stuff to make the earth better and help us to live long...come on. We have been playing around with “making the planet better” for a long time and really haven’t made anything better. Many times the things we think help actually cause harm.
Eggs were bad for you but now they are the “incredible edible egg”. Bacon has been bad for you but here they are changing that as well.
Well use the same tactics for asteroid and commit deflection as has been use with climate change, make it man kinds fault. Surely just the fact that we are here is fault enough isn’t it. Wouldn’t it be a mistake to spend all this money to prevent climate change but to have it all fucked up in one moment by a commit that ends up distorting humans?

Yes yes...damn corporations that brought us dawn soap that is used to clean oil from birds of oil spills. Damn the ones that make it easy to reach out and turn a light on or have hot water right now. Damn these same corporations for providing jobs to people. How dare they be so terrible. I bet each corporation is thinking their profit could be better if we could just finish off the damn human population.
Not imposing government regulations on corporations...are you kidding here??? I hope you are!
As for President Trump, admit it, you all have a hard on for him. I’d say don’t be so sensitive to what the guy says. We the people are still in charge. That’s why he’s president.

Lies...hmmm. Where’s your proof. Just saying they make baby Jesus cry is not proof of a lie. You said it yourself “the largest economy in the world” in reference to its leadership. I think if you dig down you will find it is not a lie. In fact we fund many things many of us believe we shouldn’t. Fact is the largest economy has been doing the most and including other nations and helping fund their same save the planet schemes for years and years. You may not want it to be so but a lie it is not.




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Reply #277 on: December 02, 2019, 05:23:52 PM
Oh yes, I remember in the 1990s we were all supposed to burn up in a Terminator movie type fiery blaze because of global warming by like 2010.



Funny that you mention The Terminator, because nobody but Hollywood would have said 2010.



Here we are damn near 2020.



Yep, and things have accelerated worse than the predictions a decade or two ago.  A man made climate crisis isn’t on the horizon, it’s already here.



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Reply #278 on: December 02, 2019, 05:50:17 PM
Well Hollywood has fueled much of the fear of “man made” climate change. Pretty sure I’m not the only one to reference a movie on here. Wouldn’t be the first time Hollywood has helped to further a ridiculous idea.
Maybe you should just crawl in to a cave where you will be safe. Find an underground bunker and stay there. Here’s another movie for ya. Remember Blast From The Past? They thought a nuke was inbound so they spent like 20 years underground while everyone else was living and enjoying life. For the most part the man made climate change is only a scheme. Something will most likely take us out for sure. Our climate, disease, volcanos, earthquakes, commits, asteroids, Aliens (no not the ones from the south border), some black hole, etc, etc.

I’m not against treating our planet with respect. I’m all for using  resources wisely and with as little waste as possible. To blame people of the industrial revolution seem idiotic because of simple common sense. My parents and grandparents always used to tell me “if you Are leaving a room then make sure you shut off the lights. Sunday drives, we would pick up pop/beer cans along the rode side along with garbage. We would turn the cans in to help fund our summer vacations. My grandparents were some of the best recycler I knew. They didn’t waist anything it seemed. They walked to the store to friends house. I was told stories of how my great grand parent were as well and it was very similar with little waist. If it could be used again or repurposed it was. I’d be for betting that my family wasn’t the only family in the US or world that was that way.
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Reply #279 on: December 18, 2019, 03:56:37 AM
Did this thread change NAME?

When, Why, please advise.

It was merged with an already existing climate change thread.



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Reply #280 on: January 11, 2020, 08:23:32 PM
https://skattebetalarna.se/har-ar-arets-varsta-sloseri-2019/


Jan 08, 2020

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Here is the worst waste of the year 2019!

Swedish climate policy is the worst waste of the year 2019.


At least when the Swedish people are allowed to decide. Climate policy is therefore awarded the award by the Taxpayers' Waste Ombudsman.

- The government has more than doubled the appropriations for climate policy, but despite this, emissions no longer decrease. In 2018, emissions even increased. This is why climate policy has been voted the worst waste of the year, says Johan Gustafsson, Waste Ombudsman at the Taxpayers' Association.

With over 18,000 votes, it was a new record in the number of votes for the competition's worst waste of the year and 30 percent of the votes landed on climate policy. I am now looking for Isabella Lövin (MP) to hand over the award.

Allocations to climate policy have more than doubled in recent years, while emissions have basically ceased to decrease. In the government's budget for 2020, 12.6 billion is allocated for climate policy, compared with 5.2 billion in 2014. But despite this, emissions no longer decrease. Last year, emissions increased even marginally.

Expert authorities such as the Swedish National Audit Office and the National Institute of Economic Research have condemned many of the government's major initiatives such as climate change, the support for electric cars and the solar subsidy. In January 2019, the Auditor General Helena Lindberg stated in a comment on the National Audit Office's review of the climate climate that "The climate climate's costs per kilo of reduced greenhouse gas emissions have been high". In its commentary on the government's budget in 2017 (when it was introduced), the National Institute of Economic Research writes that the program "risks becoming a costly blow in the air". Harsh criticism for coming from a state expert authority.

At the same time, almost every third environmental car sold in Sweden goes with an environmental car bonus on exports to Norway within just a year. Investing so much money on grants for electric bicycles, support for solar cells or why not climate anxiety therapy when there are other measures that have made greater use of the climate cannot be classified as anything other than waste.

- Too much tax money is wasted without benefit to those who pay. It is no less important that money has an effect when it is invested in something that is important - rather the opposite, says Johan Gustafsson.

In second place in the competition came the artists' commission's million grants for art for earthworms and third place Gothenburg's plans on a cable car across the Göta River.

Almost every day, the Waste Ombudsman observes new examples of how politicians and other power-holders are wasting our tax money. It is not just about grand government initiatives or small municipal craze. Equally serious is the inefficiency that still characterizes public operations.

Tip now about candidates for the worst waste of the year 2020! Email to the Disposal Ombudsman at  sloso@skattebetalarna.se

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Reply #281 on: August 30, 2020, 09:46:30 PM

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Reply #282 on: May 27, 2021, 04:17:10 AM
Somebody has a plan.





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Reply #283 on: October 07, 2021, 06:19:46 PM