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Reply #20 on: March 05, 2017, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on March 04, 2017, 02:33:10 PM
Perhaps straight men talking in a "macho voice" is the affectation, and gay men feel no compulsion to affect that.

At the risk of putting myself down, I would have to agree.  It's an alpha thing.

The deeper male voice is a signal of breeding suitability - that's why the voice breaks at puberty, and the effect is further amplified by the broadened adult male chest (adult male gorillas beat their chests to audibly demonstrate how big & strong it is).

I have noticed that when I speak briefly to men I do not know, the pitch of my voice drops noticeably without my volition. It is especially pronounced if there is an aspect of dominance in the conversation, such as challenging teens causing a disruption in a shop, or the "a'right" which makes up the total conversation between two men meeting at a urinal.



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Reply #21 on: March 05, 2017, 11:19:50 PM
Quote from: Athos_131 on March 05, 2017, 03:38:32 PM

If Gia saw the OP...

#Resist


I thought the exact same thing when I read it.

The thundering green prose would have been a delight to read.

Then again, the OP is so inane, I could see how she might read it, roll her eyes, and not bother.






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Reply #22 on: March 05, 2017, 11:28:14 PM
Quote from: IdleBoast on March 05, 2017, 05:39:35 PM
Quote from: MissBarbara on March 04, 2017, 02:33:10 PM

Perhaps straight men talking in a "macho voice" is the affectation, and gay men feel no compulsion to affect that.


At the risk of putting myself down, I would have to agree.  It's an alpha thing.

The deeper male voice is a signal of breeding suitability - that's why the voice breaks at puberty, and the effect is further amplified by the broadened adult male chest (adult male gorillas beat their chests to audibly demonstrate how big & strong it is).

I have noticed that when I speak briefly to men I do not know, the pitch of my voice drops noticeably without my volition. It is especially pronounced if there is an aspect of dominance in the conversation, such as challenging teens causing a disruption in a shop, or the "a'right" which makes up the total conversation between two men meeting at a urinal.



I was just guessing, but thanks for the primary source documentation!

Reading the OP reminded me of a conversation I once had with a gay man. I asked him why gay men didn't seem follow sports as closely straight men seem to do. He replied that gay men don't follow sports as less than straight men do. They just don't feel they have to talk about it all the time, and, more to the point gay men who do not follow sports are unafraid to admit they don't follow sports, unlike some straight men, who feel compelled to do so so that they can prove they're "manly men."





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Reply #23 on: April 08, 2017, 07:24:59 AM
Miss B, it seems to me that would be simply an indication of self-confidence of the individual.

There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.

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Reply #24 on: April 08, 2017, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: Katiebee on April 08, 2017, 07:24:59 AM

Miss B, it seems to me that would be simply an indication of self-confidence of the individual.



Exactly. And someone who declines the compulsion to pretense is very admirable.






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Reply #25 on: July 13, 2017, 08:11:56 PM
We can pretend that this is not a thing...but it is.   Interestingly enough, a close childhood friend of mine who always had girlfriends and even married but eventually divorced and came out.   Oddly enough I always knew he was Gay and it confused me to no end that he was always with girls.

This guy was a very normal acting guy.   No outward obvious stereotypical mannerisms.  However when he came out, he almost immediately started speaking with a lisp.  It was the strangest thing. 

I know some gay guys who don't.   And I know a few heterosexual men who do.  Very few but I can name at least one.   I always assumed it was a source of identification for gay people.  Kind of like an identifiable trait that shows your in the club. 


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Reply #26 on: June 30, 2018, 12:23:35 PM
1. The basic answer is that the stereotypical gay lisp and mannerisms are exactly that, a stereotype. In reality, it's a cultural thing that is consciously adopted among certain specific subgroups of gay guys, clustered around the West Coast based fashion and movie industries. Tim Gunn would be a notable example of a prominent, older gay fashion and media figure who exemplifies the pattern and probably contributed significantly to its popularity, although I don't think he's the origin point either.

2. While the lisp and mannerisms are stereotypically associated with gay men, they're not exclusive to gay men. The one person I know who does it naturally -- not as in the over the top stereotype, but as a normal, everyday version of that basic vocal pattern and body language -- is absolutely straight.



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Reply #27 on: June 30, 2018, 01:28:26 PM
Why do Goths wear black?  Is it attention seeking, or just neurotic?

I know lots of Goths that don't wear black, I just don't understand it.

Think about that^ statement.  (Just using another example of the mindset.)  At what point did you try to understand it?  That's why you should ask your "Gay friend."  That's the difference between being friends with men, who happen to be gay, and having a "Black friend" so you don't sound racist.

It's a subculture, and a protest against stereotypical chest beating gorilla masculinity.


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