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« Reply #1500 on: August 14, 2019, 12:26:45 AM »

Border Patrol accused of firing rubber bullets at Juarenses enjoying the Rio Grande

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Families who were enjoying a warm Sunday gathered along the Rio Grande in Juarez are accusing U.S. Border Patrol agents of opening fire on them with rubber bullets.

The incident happened near Paisano and Executive, near the newly built Border Barrier in Sunland Park, and just downstream from the American Dam operated by the U.S. International Boundary and Water Commission.

According to witnesses, a Juarez man who was swimming in the river near the U.S. side was warned by a guard to move away from the dam gates. Shortly after, approximately 20 to 30 Border Patrol Agents responded to the scene.

Mexican residents who had been swimming in the river at the time of the incident allegedly got upset at the Border Patrol response, prompting agents to fire rubber bullets, described as ball-shaped, hitting two men.

Dozens of families with small children were enjoying the river at the time of the incident and many said it was irresponsible of the agents, claiming they fired at least 12 shots.

Juarez Police responded to the scene, but no one was taken into custody in Mexico as a result of the incident.

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« Reply #1501 on: August 14, 2019, 02:54:30 AM »

Now, there's talks of defacing a national monument.  By an immigration official.

“Give me your tired, your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge.”

You can't just re-write a classic poem, and a gift to America because it doesn't agree with your politics.

Might as well just write on "Unless you don't speak English, or are Brown" in crayon.
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« Reply #1502 on: August 14, 2019, 04:35:30 AM »

Emma Lazarus wrote a poem, which then was posted at the Statue of Liberty.
The two are unrelated events, and Emma Lazarus spoke for herself, not law.
Open borders and the Welfare State are incompatible, obviously. What we have today is Open Borders, with the exception of those who comply and get a visa, prior to entry. Tourists are not eligible for Welfare. Invited guests as well.
Enforcement has been lacking, is now anticipated, and is a welcome change.


Now, there's talks of defacing a national monument.  By an immigration official.

“Give me your tired, your poor who can stand on their own two feet and who will not become a public charge.”

You can't just re-write a classic poem, and a gift to America because it doesn't agree with your politics.

Might as well just write on "Unless you don't speak English, or are Brown" in crayon.
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« Reply #1503 on: August 14, 2019, 04:42:36 AM »

Emma Lazarus wrote a poem, which then was posted at the Statue of Liberty.

Yes, and it is a classic, you can't just rewrite for your politics.  Any more than you can re-write "America the Beautiful" to say anything other than as it was written, without shitting on the original artist.

The two are unrelated events, and Emma Lazarus spoke for herself, not law.

And yet, the Statue is a symbol of Liberty, and a beacon for Immigrants, yearning to breathe free.  Not a watch-tower to light the way for sharp-shooters to pick people off trying to get in, and not a Lighthouse to warn people to stay the fuck out.  We welcome immigrants, we're America, that's what we do, it's what we have always done.

Nobody's calling it "Law," it is a symbol of our American identity, the spirit of the USA, that is under attack by your white nationalists.

Open borders and the Welfare State are incompatible, obviously.

No, obviously you can't just state that as fact, when "Welfare" saved America from the Great Depression, but we still have an open Northern Border, as we always have, and it's not considered a threat to our Nation, because Canadians are white.
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« Reply #1504 on: August 14, 2019, 04:53:57 AM »

Canadians are not eligible for Welfare in the U.S., for subsidized housing and school breakfast, and school lunch, even when school may be not in session in some jurisdictions... any eligibility for benefits is a State issue in any case.

Undocumented, and not legal immigrant persons, have limits on what they may and certainly what they should be able to 'get' as to Free Stuff.

Immigration laws have specifically limited items, such as work permits, for those affected. That has been the case for many years, and is the case today.

Color is not the factor at all. Those who comply with immigration law should be treated differently than those who do not comply with immigration law. Simple.

You may, as a U.S. Citizen, contribute via the IRS whatever added amount of money you may wish to contribute, should that be your desire, under existing rules and law, and are encouraged to do exactly that. Or, you may contribute any amounts you desire to volunteer, charity organizations who cater to those you wish to receive your largess. It is your right to do so. Please do.


Emma Lazarus wrote a poem, which then was posted at the Statue of Liberty.

Yes, and it is a classic, you can't just rewrite for your politics.  any more than you can re-write "God Bless America" so say anything other than what it was written to say, without shitting on the original artist.

The two are unrelated events, and Emma Lazarus spoke for herself, not law.

And yet, the Statue is a symbol of Liberty, and a beacon for Immigrants, yearning to breathe free.  Not a watch-tower to light the way for sharp-shooters to pick people off trying to get in, and not a Lighthouse to warn people to stay the fuck out.  We welcome immigrants, we're America, that's what we do, it's what we have always done.

Nobody's calling it "Law," it is a symbol of our American identity, the spirit of the USA, that is under attack by your white nationalists.

Open borders and the Welfare State are incompatible, obviously.

No, obviously you can't just state that as fact, when "Welfare" saved America from the Great Depression, and we still have an open Northern Border, as we always have, and it's not considered a threat to our Nation, because Canadians are white.
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« Reply #1505 on: August 14, 2019, 05:06:54 AM »

Canadians are not eligible for Welfare in the U.S.

I mentioned the OPEN BORDER with Canada, not the Lend-Lease program, for example.

Undocumented, and not legal immigrant persons, have limits on what they may and certainly what they should be able to 'get' as to Free Stuff.

2 different things:  You want to talk about "Welfare?"  We can talk about that, but I was talking about IMMIGRATION, and the Statue of Liberty.  Nobody's suggesting "Free stuff" for Mexican Immigrants.  Try to focus.

Color is not the factor at all. Those who comply with immigration law should be treated differently than those who do not comply with immigration law.

Then why aren't there children separated from their families, and detained in North Dakota?  That's an open border, what we have on the southern border is not, by any stretch of the imagination "Open."

If "Color is not a factor," then explain to me why people are being shot in the Rio Grande, and people can buy cigarettes in America, transport them to Canada, buy Whiskey in Canada, and sell it in America, making a profit every time?  That's an OPEN BORDER.  If we can't afford an open border, then why aren't you upset about the one that is wide fucking open, and yet you are so concerned about the one that is locked the fuck down?
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« Reply #1506 on: August 14, 2019, 05:16:23 AM »

Mexicans come here to work, not for Welfare.  Canadians come down here for lower taxes on thing like tobacco.  Americans go to Canada for things like insurance free healthcare, and go to Cancun for fun in the sun.

There is no "Welfare State."  We have the largest cheese surplus in US history right now, and it's going to rot, uneaten, because your anti-socialists don't know what to do with it.  Our roads are crumbling, our power grid is collapsing, and you're blaming the people, the workers that could help fix it.  Instead of the economic sanctions, and government waste on witch-hunting immigrants that is destroying our economy.

While we're at it, we might as well tear down that statue, and sell the copper for pennies.  
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« Reply #1507 on: August 14, 2019, 05:17:48 AM »

Except that the poem on the Statue of liberty was hung with the permission of the National Park Service, part of the US government.  I daresay permission would not have been given if it did not have the permission of the Administration at the time.  It could also have been taken down if We The People didn't like it.

Furthermore, these changes target imigrants that are here LEGALLY.  It talks of taking away that legal status if they use the government safety net to which they are entitled.  And yes I say ENTITLED.  Legal Permanent Residents cannot qualify for food stamps or medical assistance uless they have 40 quarters of working (aka paying income taxes for 10 years) in the USA.

Legal Permanent Residents also have children that are nearly always US citizens.  Is it right to put their parents in a situation where they have to choose between seeking nutrition assistance or medical assistance for their children when they need it?  Would you see US citizens go hungry just because of their parent's LPR status?

And say these parents do loose their legal status and are returned home, what of these US citizen children?  If they return with their parents to their country of orgin, they remain US citizens.  US citizens that may return when they become adults, not able to speak the English language and perhaps without an education. 

Let's face it, this is a racist proposal, because the people that would most be harmed by this will be those that have nothing and came to the USA for a better life.
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« Reply #1508 on: August 14, 2019, 07:18:59 AM »

 Yes, the regulations under discussion have been there, just are being more clearly defined, as to what/who is a "charge", under the current meaning of our long standing Immigration Law.

  The 'clarification' will inspire self sufficiency, and the pride of 'pulling themselves up by the bootstraps' that our Nation takes such pride in noting, from Immigrants past. The new, will follow in their footsteps.

  How noble, eh? I am so glad we are able to clear all that up for all.
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« Reply #1509 on: August 14, 2019, 07:55:39 AM »

I am so glad we are able to clear all that up for all.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back there, toots.

Still haven't said a damned thing about our open border, and all the undocumented immigrants we have her that aren't "Mexican." 

You're willing to defend those who stand against all things are American.  You're not even creative enough to be a white nationalist yourself, you just blindly follow them.
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« Reply #1510 on: August 14, 2019, 12:23:23 PM »

For someone who claims racism doesn't exist, Yellow Wall spends a lot of time defending it.

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« Reply #1511 on: August 14, 2019, 03:01:51 PM »

For someone who claims racism doesn't exist, Yellow Wall spends a lot of time defending it.

We confront her, to face it fairly regularly, but it's like a lot of her delusions.  Something that's indefensible, so she pretends that it's not there at all.

Obviously, racism exists.  Men do abuse their power to sexually harass, and  assault women, but admitting that means doubting the assumptions that underpin her whole worldview, and political identity.

So, admitting it means doubting, even for a second that the politicians she trusted might have not told the about something even once, and she just can't accept that.
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« Reply #1512 on: August 14, 2019, 04:24:11 PM »

A lot of people came here before there were any safety nets in place.  They simply went hungry and many died of disease.  We are better off now, all of us.  Yet Trump and his cronies want to go back to those awful times.

When children go hungry they can't learn very well and it can stunt their intellegence.  This hurts all of us.
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« Reply #1513 on: August 14, 2019, 04:48:05 PM »

When children get locked up, for being born American, but having criminalized parents, it's more than a little sad.  It's a national tragedy to me. 

A lot of the immigrants went hungry where they were before, and faced a lot of hardships to get here, in the hopes of a better life.

If we make America great, we can't be surprised when everyone wants to be American.  We just do what we can to make those dreams a reality.
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« Reply #1514 on: August 14, 2019, 06:49:42 PM »

Write to Nancy Pelosi and ask for a 'new' keyword, or three, please.

Does racism exist, sure. Has is been an issue in the past, yes. Are some more likely to encounter it, depends a lot on how they live, where they live, and how they carry themselves, I suppose.

Is it a good 'catchall' boogeyman to blame for all that is wrong? NO.

The handful of Nazi or other outcasts who dress like a 'wannabe' badguy, is just that, a handful, relative to the civil population. When they break laws, we need to arrest and prosecute, and get the scum off the street of civil society.

Do racists vote? Who cares. The number of such people is minimal in the US.
Same with the left wing Democrat army of activists like Antifa. When they break the law, they need to be captured, charged, and jailed, and removed from the civil community.

Same with criminals of all stripes, including especially those using firearms, brandishing illegally or actually shooting people with the firearms. They warrant severe capture, arrest, prosecution, and removal from civil society, no matter who the perpetrator may be. Do the criminals vote? Who cares?

When politicians "care" about the votes of miscreants and criminals, to the degree they promote and insert into law complicating factors to prohibit the law being fully enforced.. yet seek new, more specific, more onerous laws, as a way to remain in the 'news' and hopeful to raise money, these weasels need to be called out on their actions, and arrested, charged and jailed, to remove them from the civil community.

Using 'racism', 'racist', 'supremacy' and such as a pejorative 'charge' daily and frequently, to gain attention and stay in the "news" should be met with slander charges. Abuse of the language, for lack of a 'worse' pejorative to gain some traction, should be criminal in itself.

The Democrats and Leftist Media have stolen nearly 3 years of the Presidency by inference and slander, and endless wailing, thwarting the civil transfer of power to which the Nation is entitled, and due. Meanwhile, the false idea they hope to transfer that these politicians are doing their constituents bidding, while they squander opportunity to affect actual community life via agreement and legislation on 'infrastructure' and 'border security' is sad.


I am so glad we are able to clear all that up for all.

Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back there, toots.

Still haven't said a damned thing about our open border, and all the undocumented immigrants we have her that aren't "Mexican."  

You're willing to defend those who stand against all things are American.  You're not even creative enough to be a white nationalist yourself, you just blindly follow them.
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