Antifa Riot In Portland, Ore.

[psiberzerker]

The Stars and Stripes stand for racism???

Refuge in Absurdity.  Of course they don't stand for racism, but that doesn't stop the Klan, and the Neo-Nazis carrying it along with the flags of our greatest enemies.



Pick a fucking side.  Either you're a Patriot, or you venerate traitors.  Who declared war on the United States so that they can avoid the laws of these United states.  Or, you can carry the symbols of the Nazis, German Nationalists, and turn your back on America.  Either you tolerate that perversion, literally marching on our streets, or you're against it.

These guys are so fucked up that they mix the symbols of OUR nation with the symbols of our enemies, and you're so blind that you can't even see past your assumption, that somebody, somewhere is calling you a racist.

There are people out there that are racist, I agree, but our flag does not stand for racism. It stands for the free people (people of all races and religions and ideas) of the United States.

Then, as an American, it is your duty to respect our country, and not make excuses for Racists, who claim to be Patriots, instead of Racists.  That's what Antifa is against.  That's what I'm against:  People that take the flag, I fought for, and sully it with the flags of Separatists, and fucking Nazis.

Pick a fucking side.  If you're not against that, then you're standing with them against America.

[Gunnerman19]

Wasn’t there a world war where human lives were lost that was fought to remove nazi trash from power? There may be wannabes out there but the nazi are done and gone, never to rise again.
More common ground we can find is that none of our freedoms should be taken. Individually or collectively. There are bad people in all races. Throughout history all races have done horrible acts. Everyone I know that voted (doesn’t matter how they voted) don’t want any of those horrible acts to be repeated. Individually and collectively we should fight for these freedoms and the people from those who want to interfere with them. Antifa hides and wants to interfere. Instead of finding common ground and sharing ideas on ways to come together they choose to stay divided and stop freedom of speech. The same freedom of speech they exercise they try to stop. Do they not understand that all races have died defending the freedoms and flag (I’m talking about the people here). So why would you support these people or stick up for them? They are not defending anything.

[psiberzerker]

Wasn’t there a world war where human lives were lost that was fought to remove nazi trash from power?

Yes, in Germany, and across Europe.  It wasn't in America yet, but we still had Klansmen, and Confederate sympathizers lurking in the shadows.

There may be wannabes out there but the nazi are done and gone, never to rise again.

What do you call that?  They are rising again, right now.  Here.  That's what Antifa got together to fight:  The rise of Fascism here, and now.

More common ground we can find is that none of our freedoms should be taken.

There is no "Common Ground" with racists, separatists, and fascists.  The Nazis are only 1 example, but they said it best in German:  "Uber Alles."  Over everything, their National Anthem was literally "Germany.  Germany above everyone else."

There's no "Common Ground" with racists, because they don't want to share with non-whites.  They didn't want to share with the Union, the United States, so they left, and declared war on US.  Your rhetoric could just as well apply to the Union Army, fighting the Confederates.  Where they "Terrorists," too?

Everyone I know that voted (doesn’t matter how they voted) don’t want any of those horrible acts to be repeated.

What about you?  You bill yourself as a Gunner.  Does that mean you're a Veteran?  What did you sign up for, to defend America against our enemies, the glory of battle, the uniform, or to get your hands on military grade guns?

Regardless, Antifa is a Militia, necessary to the safety, and security of a Free state, against our enemies within.  You call them "Terrorists," and yet ignore the Nazis, Seperatists, and Clansmen marching Armed down our streets, attacking American citizens (As long as they're black) to call the militia that was raised to fight them "Terrorists."

If you don't like Antifa, then help us get rid of the Nazis.  Then, there will be no reason for them to be there, they can go back to Occupying Wall Street.

[Gunnerman19]

See you share with them the idea that there needs to be division by saying pick a side. Tho I shown twice now that we can find common ground, you’d rather be scared of people who will never make anything more that trouble. Those people are idiots for flying that flag and so are the Antifa idiots for flying their communist flags. All still have the freedom of speech. I could post pictures of Antifa activity trying to remove people’s freedoms as well. I have not said idiots are not out there from the right. They are on the left as well. Stop listening to squeaky wheels

[psiberzerker]

See you share with them the idea that there needs to be division by saying pick a side.

By "Them," you mean.  Not US?  Us vs Them is division.  The division is already there.  I refuse to find common ground with Nazis, Separatists, and Klansmen.  I find common ground with anyone who opposes them.

Those people are idiots for flying that flag and so are the Antifa idiots for flying their communist flags.

I'm sure you have pictures of Antifa flying Communist flags, right?

could post pictures of Antifa activity trying to remove people’s freedoms as well.

Go right ahead.  That's what this thread is all about.  I'll see you, and raise you them being arrested.  Tear gassed, and beaten for their stands.  

[Gunnerman19]

Your view of the world seems dark and lonely. Doesn’t matter what news you see anymore (Fox, cnn, or whatever) it’s all to get your attention and make money. The “nazi” are not a threat but yes will be dealt with. Antifa is no better. You seem to enjoy the division and if that’s the way you choose to live your life then great. I would say the division is causing more racism and trouble. Racism that hasn’t been seen. If you truly hate racism then why support people who think it’s not okay to be white. All races should celebrated. We all bleed red and are equal.
Antifa is not a militia! There acts are not standing up for anything right or true. They speak from both sides of there mouth.

[psiberzerker]

"First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

~M. Niemöller.

This is why they represent an existential threat against freedom.  Not just Nazis, but anyone who stands with them.  Historically, Russia was with Germany, and Italy.

Then Germany turned on Russia.  Even after they started systematically "Purifying" the parts of Europe they controlled, that wasn't enough.  They went after Poland, and Alsace-Lorraine, but that wasn't enough.  Now, they're going after Illegal Immigrants, and Legal Immigration, but when they get that, it's not going to be enough.

There is no Enough, they want everything, from Everyone.  "Uber Alles."  All or nothing.  They'll turn on the Klan when the time comes, because they don't share.  It's Them against Everyone.

It's best that we don't wait until they get more Power.

[Gunnerman19]

The difference is Antifa still gets a voice. They still get the same freedoms afforded to you and I. You seem to think it’s okay to take the rights away from others or at lease support those who actively do in the name of justice for others. That’s not okay. Justice for all!!!

[Gunnerman19]

They have no chance!!!

[psiberzerker]

You seem to think it’s okay to take the rights away from others or at lease support those who actively do in the name of justice for others.

No, I'm against the racists who seek to take the rights from those who don't look like them.  So does Antifa.  It's just that simple.

They have no chance!!!

Who?



This is the scene we have in America.  Where you contend that Racists don't hold any power.

[Gunnerman19]

They have no chance at rising to power.... the clan, nazi, Antifa, or any of the other BS filled crap we’ve seen before. Please realize that there is more at work here. Antifa is causing trouble not change. The only reason Antifa and the wannabe nazi are able to do what they do is because of the freedoms we have here. Everyone gets a voice and has freedom of speech. Even the idiots.

[psiberzerker]

Everyone gets a voice and has freedom of speech.

Is that the only freedom you see at stake here?  Scroll up.

[Gunnerman19]

There are laws. If those laws are ignored for some but not others what do we have? Our immigration process is an issue and I agree. Are you saying that our government and border patrol are nazi?
You should look into former President Obama’s terms as well. All life is valuable. Do you think just letting people in no matter what is right? So you think a bunch of homeless refugees scattering across the US is a good thing...really? Also if those conditions worry you then why are you not down there volunteering to improve them? I think we are doing what we can with what we’ve got at the moment. Is it enough, that’s up to interpretation.

[Gunnerman19]

The topic is Antifa riots in Portland. Not immigration. We can move to the topic of immigration now

[psiberzerker]

Are you saying that our government and border patrol are nazi?

No, but they are racist policies.  Fascist, White Nationalism, but Nazi is just a brand stamped over those ideologies.  No, I'm not saying they're "Nazi," but by any other name, it smells just as rotten.

Do you think just letting people in no matter what is right?

No, but I know that those children are American citizens.  That's why they're separated from their families:  They were born here.  The "Illegal" Immigrants can be deported.  Their American children can not.  Legally, not yet.  So, we keep them incarcerated, until they gain enough Power to change the definition of what it means to be America.  Born in the USA.

I don't suggest we wait until they start installing gas canisters in the showers.

So you think a bunch of homeless refugees scattering across the US is a good thing...really?

No, I think that's Freedom.  Building new prisons for American children, for the crimes of their parents is the opposite of freedom.

[psiberzerker]

The topic is Antifa riots in Portland. Not immigration.

Then forget the Immigrants, and focus on the American children in concentration camps.

That's Why we need a Resistance against the rise of White Nationalists. 

[Gunnerman19]

Isn’t what you are saying separating families? Thought that was the lefts big issue. The children are being taken care of the best we can I’m sure and hopefully the families will be reunited asap as the proses of getting their parents legally into the country is followed. The cartels are doing terrible things to the children and the parents, why are you not first talking about them?
Gas chambers really. See you view is dark. That will not happen. I’ll play along tho. First report of that happening there will be millions upon millions of Americans of all races , political views, religions, and ideas marching to the southern border to wipe out the devils that directed the act and the ones who preformed the act. Plan and simple. That’s why it will never happen. That’s why we the people fight for our rights!

[Gunnerman19]

Hahaha damn. I said we can switch to immigration now. Feisty hahaha I like Americans with heart

[psiberzerker]

The children are being taken care of the best we can I’m sure and hopefully the families will be reunited asap as the proses of getting their parents legally into the country is followed.

If you go back to the last page, and scroll up to the first picture, you'll see a video game screen over the gate to the Dog Kennel they set up to keep children in.



So, now we get to the "Acceptable losses" argument.  It doesn't fucking matter how comfortable the dog kennel is, if it's used to imprison American children for being born here.

Go ahead, and tell me what ends justify those means.

The cartels are doing terrible things to the children and the parents, why are you not first talking about them?

Because it has nothing to do with Antifa?

That will not happen. First report of that happening there will be millions upon millions of Americans of all races , political views, religions, and ideas marching to the southern border to wipe out the devils that directed the act and the ones who preformed the act.

Assuming it will be done out in the open?  It's unthinkable, you're refusing to even consider it happening here, this is just one example to counter your argument that they will never gain power, and it will never happen here again. 

It doesn't have to be a Gas Chamber.  It doesn't even have to be murder, they could just let Disease get out of hand in those conditions, and bury the bodies.  All it would take is a bad winter, and a flu outbreak.  All they have to do is not immunize them, and let them die.

That’s why we the people fight for our rights!

That's what Antifa is doing.

[Gunnerman19]

Antifa...I thought we were done with that and moved on to immigration. You are looking at our government first but why not the cartels first? Our border patrol isn’t just dealing with these refugees. They are dealing with the cartels as well. Do you think they are super human? They have families also.
Okay so you think the people down there...government, border patrol, and the thousands of volunteers wouldn’t do everything in their power to stop a disease?
Change doesn’t usually come from bitching about it. Change comes from actively being the change. You missed it ignored my question about why you are not down there volunteering...? This seems to be something you feel strongly about and that’s commendable but blaming those who are down there is effed up? Seems the energy it takes to blame and protest would be better put to use by being the change you seek.