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Reply #630 on: June 14, 2022, 12:07:52 PM
Another despicable (to this old fashioned football fan) nod to greeed is the rise (literally) of the video advert screens.  Some teams have now installed double height video panels deliberately aimed at the TV cameras.

When did the commercialization start? I definitely remember a time when uniforms were uniforms, and not advertising media. I also don't remember advertising around the pitch, but that could be my memory playing tricks on me.

There has been advertising around the pitch for as long as I can remember (70+ years) at all levels of UK football where a team had its own stadium. But they were either static or rolling canvas about 2 feet high. The obnoxious video screens must have been introduced around the 1990s, but I don't think the UK were the first to introduce them. Wembley Stadium has introduced the large variety and are so determined to cover every inch of space that they even extend across the managers' technical areas.

At least football doesn't copy the heinous crime of the rugby authorities and actually advertise on the pitch!

Readers please don't think I abhor advertising.  I don't, it's a time and a place thing. 

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Reply #631 on: June 14, 2022, 09:56:46 PM
Speaking of advertising, I believe Barcelona were the biggest club to hold out the longest against finding a shirt sponsor. They finally gave in and got Qatar Airways in 2013 and then Rakuten in 2017. That'll change over to Spotify this July, and they're even renaming the stadium to the Spotify Camp Nou.

Fun fact, Barcelona actually put a "sponsor" name on their jersey starting in 2006, but it was to advertise Unicef.

..and to stray off topic, I was thinking about Ronaldo earlier today (R9, not Cristiano) and how he played for rival clubs twice, first Barcelona and then Real Madrid, and Inter Milan and then AC Milan. But I don't remember there ever been a huge outrage, like when Figo switched from Barcelona to Real Madrid for example.

I might be remembering wrong  ;D



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Reply #632 on: June 15, 2022, 12:43:36 AM

...and to stray off topic, I was thinking about Ronaldo earlier today (R9, not Cristiano)...


A couple of years ago I saw an interview with Pep Guardiola. At one point, he began speaking about Ronaldo.

Then he paused, and added, "I mean the real Ronaldo, not that Portuguese guy."





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Reply #633 on: June 15, 2022, 03:45:08 PM
I found this little article when I was searching about advertising on team uniforms:

A new age in jersey sponsorship began in 1973, when Günter Mast, the nephew of Jagermeister creator Curt Mast, had the brilliant idea of placing the German liqueur’s stag and glowing cross logo on German Bundesliga squad Eintracht Braunschweig’s uniforms.

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Reply #634 on: June 15, 2022, 05:37:34 PM

...and to stray off topic, I was thinking about Ronaldo earlier today (R9, not Cristiano)...


A couple of years ago I saw an interview with Pep Guardiola. At one point, he began speaking about Ronaldo.

Then he paused, and added, "I mean the real Ronaldo, not that Portuguese guy."


To be completely honest, I used to get annoyed that the Portuguese guy marketed himself as 'Ronaldo' - thinking he was trying to use Ronaldo's fame to help himself. That was back when he was with Manchester United the first time  :-[

In hindsight, of course he never needed Ronaldo's fame to help him, I think the insane stats of the Portuguese guy can do that by themselves. But I still think that going by 'Cristiano' would've been more unique and better marketing overall    ;D

Edit: At least Ronaldinho had a better idea  :emot_laughing:
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Reply #635 on: June 15, 2022, 06:34:27 PM
When the Poruguese guy first started for Man Utd the opposition fans would immediately chant "you're not the real Ronaldo", he soon put that to rest.


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Reply #636 on: June 15, 2022, 06:37:11 PM
Speaking of advertising, I believe Barcelona were the biggest club to hold out the longest against finding a shirt sponsor. They finally gave in and got Qatar Airways in 2013 and then Rakuten in 2017. That'll change over to Spotify this July, and they're even renaming the stadium to the Spotify Camp Nou.

Fun fact, Barcelona actually put a "sponsor" name on their jersey starting in 2006, but it was to advertise Unicef.

..and to stray off topic, I was thinking about Ronaldo earlier today (R9, not Cristiano) and how he played for rival clubs twice, first Barcelona and then Real Madrid, and Inter Milan and then AC Milan. But I don't remember there ever been a huge outrage, like when Figo switched from Barcelona to Real Madrid for example.

I might be remembering wrong  ;D

I would say you are correct on all points CT.

The name Spotify Camp Nou makes my heart sink; it's the first I have heard of it.  :(


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Reply #637 on: June 15, 2022, 06:41:01 PM
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When the Poruguese guy first started for Man Utd the opposition fans would immediately chant "you're not the real Ronaldo", he soon put that to rest.


It's worth noting that Ronaldo is neither his first nor last name.

His full name is Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro.

Ronaldo is his middle name, and his father gave him that name to honor Ronald Reagan.






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Reply #638 on: June 15, 2022, 08:58:23 PM
his father gave him that name to honor Ronald Reagan.
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Very interesting, I didn't know that  :o

I still like to fanboy about the 'real Ronaldo,' maybe because I caught a brief glimpse of him between the time when he joined Inter and then started having his injury problem, and there was just an excitement about him that I haven't felt even while watching Cristiano or Messi or anyone else.


He was still pretty good after his injuries, but during that brief time at Inter (I didn't get to see him when he was with Barcelona) he was sometimes like a man among boys, and that against the famed Italian defenses, and among some of the biggest names in football at the time.



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Reply #639 on: June 16, 2022, 12:53:28 PM
'

When the Poruguese guy first started for Man Utd the opposition fans would immediately chant "you're not the real Ronaldo", he soon put that to rest.


It's worth noting that Ronaldo is neither his first nor last name.

His full name is Cristiano Ronaldo dos Santos Aveiro.

Ronaldo is his middle name, and his father gave him that name to honor Ronald Reagan.






Also from Wikipaedia "His mother revealed that she wanted to abort him due to poverty, his father's alcoholism and having too many children already, but her doctor refused to perform the procedure"  :o

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Reply #640 on: June 17, 2022, 10:04:21 PM
Interesting how easily the course history could've been different. Well, footballing history, at least.  :o



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Reply #641 on: June 19, 2022, 08:22:26 AM
Somehow I had never seen this before, the 1974 interview with Brian Clough and Don Revie


ODK probably knows all about it, but basically Don Revie had left Leeds United to manage England, and Brian Clough had taken over the Leeds job before getting the sack just seven weeks in. A major part of the problem was that Clough is said to have alienated the Leeds squad, after telling them to throw away all the medals they won under Revie, because he believed they hadn't been won fairly.

I guess it all worked out for Clough at the end; after getting sacked by Leeds, he took on his most famous and successful job, at Nottingham Forest  ;D



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Reply #643 on: June 22, 2022, 03:39:35 PM
Somehow I had never seen this before, the 1974 interview with Brian Clough and Don Revie


ODK probably knows all about it, but basically Don Revie had left Leeds United to manage England, and Brian Clough had taken over the Leeds job before getting the sack just seven weeks in. A major part of the problem was that Clough is said to have alienated the Leeds squad, after telling them to throw away all the medals they won under Revie, because he believed they hadn't been won fairly.

I guess it all worked out for Clough at the end; after getting sacked by Leeds, he took on his most famous and successful job, at Nottingham Forest  ;D

I certainly remember it. Revie didn’t last long as England manager and is reviled for breaking his contract after being seduced by the Saudi dollar. For those interested in Clough I can recommend the books “Provided You Don’t Kiss Me: 20 Years With Brian Clough” and “The Damned United”. The latter was made into a film with Michael Sheen giving a brilliant performance as Clough and Stephen Graham (Once Upon A Time In Hollywood) a hilarious one as a bewigged  Billy Bremmer.

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