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« Reply #285 on: September 13, 2019, 04:03:13 AM »


The thing is that I did my best to convince you that freedom of expression, the way you'd been doing it, was the way to go, but instead of honest engagement I got ridicule and personal insults, not to mention people's unfortunate tendency to misquote or partially quote other people to make their point, completely ignoring what the quoted person actually said.


There's NO such thing as 'freedom of expression'.  Get over it.  We put up with it for a while, but it was crowding out the kinds of stories that we wanted here.  There was such a flood of that crap that a number of our better members went elsewhere, as they didn't want to be associated with a site that seemed to be catering to pedophiles.

If you want to drool over the thought of little kids, then MAKE YOUR OWN WEBSITE.  You'll quickly find out that it's not 'free'.  Also, a number of hosts won't allow 'adult content' at all, and even the ones that DO allow adult content would be severely uncomfortable about the kinds of porn that you want.  They'd likely come up with some flimsy excuse to delete your account.  We've already been there (several times).

Grm (the previous admin) took a hard line about pedophiles, and went so far as to hide ALL of Gemini's posts once he figured out that a number of them contained children.  Grm deleted a number of stories that offended him.  It was only barely tolerated after he left, and we've returned to that stance again.

It takes time to read a story far enough through to see that one or more of the characters is under age.  We'll eventually get most of them, but it'll be months down the road.  The Mods here aren't paid, and they catch shit for trying to support us.
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« Reply #286 on: September 14, 2019, 03:46:50 AM »

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Grm (the previous admin) took a hard line about pedophiles, and went so far as to hide ALL of Gemini's posts once he figured out that a number of them contained children.  Grm deleted a number of stories that offended him.  It was only barely tolerated after he left, and we've returned to that stance again.

Grm didn't "hide" my stories, he knew from Day One I had stories with featuring 10-12. I'd posted about seventy stories before Grm offerded me my own Blog, I still have the PMs.

But that's neither here nor there. What was allowed then no longer us allowed now. End of story, accept it.
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« Reply #287 on: November 13, 2019, 04:06:12 PM »

Questions concerning stories that are bookshelved due to objectionable content.

If you merely change the character’s stated age from “8” to “13” but leave in references to flat chests, tiny nipples, and no pubic hair, does that really correct anything?  Particularly if you leave the author’s comment, “I changed it to make her 13 years old” in the comments thread?

If an author makes no age references in the story, but clearly describes a child, is that less objectionable?  It’s a slippery slope, I acknowledge, but when the characters description, voice, and behavior, are that of a child, should we allow stories about 8 year olds, merely because “eight years old” isn’t in the story?

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« Reply #288 on: November 13, 2019, 04:11:00 PM »

Actually, I was wondering about this too, because I noticed that the guidelines mention Puberty.  Before I noticed that, I had written stories involving boys who were 13yo, but "Late Blooming."

So, just to be clear:  Do they have to be 13, AND pubertal?  It's for a book!
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« Reply #289 on: November 14, 2019, 01:01:23 AM »

Questions concerning stories that are bookshelved due to objectionable content.

If you merely change the character’s stated age from “8” to “13” but leave in references to flat chests, tiny nipples, and no pubic hair, does that really correct anything?  Particularly if you leave the author’s comment, “I changed it to make her 13 years old” in the comments thread?

If an author makes no age references in the story, but clearly describes a child, is that less objectionable?  It’s a slippery slope, I acknowledge, but when the characters description, voice, and behavior, are that of a child, should we allow stories about 8 year olds, merely because “eight years old” isn’t in the story?

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No they should not be allowed and we should have the right to remove them.
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« Reply #290 on: November 19, 2019, 07:20:11 PM »

It doesn't matter where a line is drawn, there will always be somebody unhappy with the line, and often for very good reasons, especially in matters biological.

Maturity is one of those things that cannot adequately be legislated - I have been working with young people half my life, and I have dealt with young people who, just into double figures, are emotionally and/or physically more mature than those in their late teens, and vice versa.

I have worked with 18 year olds that get IDed going to see movies rated 12, and at my last school, one of the 11 year old students was regularly mistaken for a member of staff.

I'm not suggesting that KB's line be moved from "13", I am simply pointing out that assuming the age of a character based purely on their physical description is always going to be frustrating. Focus instead on their behaviour as written, the language put in their mouths, and you will get a better idea of the author's true intent.

It's my personal opinion, of course, but if I was dealing with a complaint about a case of "stealth" paedophilia, that would be my first line of investigation; do the characters dound underage?



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« Reply #291 on: November 19, 2019, 07:33:54 PM »

Focus instead on their behaviour as written, the language put in their mouths, and you will get a better idea of the author's true intent.

Oh, so definitely true.  Not to mention the fact that we know at least the established authors that are card carrying pedophiles.  

The thing is a line needs to be drawn, even though it's doomed to be inadequate, because as you said, age can't be quantified.  You can count the birthdays, but a year in public school isn't a year in a private school, nor a year in a detention center.

Rules can't be vague, like sexuality is.  They have to be clear, so they can be followed, and therefore enforced.  That's why I asked for clarification on if it's 13, AND pubertal, or just 13, and suppressed any stories I had in the works that involved delayed puberty in any way.  (For example, for a transboy to start hormones, his natural Estrogen has to be stopped, because it blocks absorption of Androgens.  This can delay puberty even further than most 13yo boys.)

Besides that 18 is still the legal age to expose an adult to sexually explicit material.  Like this site.  So, regardless of the physical, mental, and emotional stage of the characters, if they're not 18, they can't even read the stories they appear in.  Fictional or not, of course fictional characters don't have rights, but you have to admit that there's something a little hinky there, or at least there is to me.

I'm not suggesting that they raise the age restriction to 18, and just nuke UA all together (Though it would save a lot of the Admin's backlog.)  I'm just saying that if they did, and I would follow it.  AS LONG AS IT IS CLEAR enough to follow.
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« Reply #292 on: November 19, 2019, 09:25:38 PM »

As far as I am aware, the enforced line is "characters must be 13 or over".

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« Reply #293 on: November 19, 2019, 09:38:15 PM »

All right well, since I can't quote, or reply to the tread it'self (Because it's locked.)

Here it says: "Please do not post stories that include extreme pedophilia.  Extreme pedophilia is defined here as anyone who is prepubescent, or under age 13."

13 I understand.  Prepubertal, especially with underage Boys is where clarification is needed.  (Also 13 year old girls that may have delayed puberty due to a medical condition, starvation, Gymnastics/Figure Skating regiment which is a combination of diet, and exercise.  Congenital birth defects, surgery, endocrine disorders...)  13 year old boys are not, on average, fully pubertal.  So, voice cracking, body hair, ejaculation?  I think we can eliminate erection as the standard, since it's involuntary, and present in Utero, but without a prior confirmation, I've been sticking with shooting blanks as the standard for Prepubescent, until I hear otherwise.

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« Reply #294 on: November 20, 2019, 05:12:15 PM »

Focus instead on their behaviour as written, the language put in their mouths, and you will get a better idea of the author's true intent.

Oh, so definitely true.  Not to mention the fact that we know at least the established authors that are card carrying pedophiles.

That's bullshit, you can't claim to know a thing about the "established authors" here other than what they share about themselves. I've seen people giving you crap, Psi, for what they perceive you to be, and that's wrong. 'Judge not unless ye be judged'.
Next May I'll have been on here ten years. I've gotten to know a lot of members over the years, some who are gone, others still here. Each has different tastes getting to know them as individuals instead of "just another fan of this perversion or that" and I find most have been a normal, nice people. So some have a fetish for Necrophilia or rape fantasies, which I personally dislike, but does that make them less human? Most all are perverts here in one way or another.
Places like KB have been a place for people to come and enjoy their fantasy or fantasies without judgment. You may not have to like Snuff stories, and they may nor have to like what you're into, but everyone should enjoy what they like and not attack people for what they like. KB would be a happier place if people didn't attack each other especially about Political/Room 1408 views. I didn't join KB to attack people, I came to write stories, make new friends, get away from the assholes of the world. My point is this subject is dead, the powers that be ruled on it, end of discussion. No need for addition rules for what boils down to fantasy, as long as the law allows fantasy stories like the ones written here to be written. If you want to take away peoples' freedom that the law gives move to a dictatorial country and start your own site.
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« Reply #295 on: November 20, 2019, 06:30:16 PM »


Focus instead on their behaviour as written, the language put in their mouths, and you will get a better idea of the author's true intent.


Oh, so definitely true.  Not to mention the fact that we know at least the established authors that are card carrying pedophiles.


That's bullshit, you can't claim to know a thing about the "established authors" here other than what they share about themselves. I've seen people giving you crap, Psi, for what they perceive you to be, and that's wrong. 'Judge not unless ye be judged'.
Next May I'll have been on here ten years. I've gotten to know a lot of members over the years, some who are gone, others still here. Each has different tastes getting to know them as individuals instead of "just another fan of this perversion or that" and I find most have been a normal, nice people. So some have a fetish for Necrophilia or rape fantasies, which I personally dislike, but does that make them less human? Most all are perverts here in one way or another.

Places like KB have been a place for people to come and enjoy their fantasy or fantasies without judgment. You may not have to like Snuff stories, and they may nor have to like what you're into, but everyone should enjoy what they like and not attack people for what they like. KB would be a happier place if people didn't attack each other especially about Political/Room 1408 views. I didn't join KB to attack people, I came to write stories, make new friends, get away from the assholes of the world. My point is this subject is dead, the powers that be ruled on it, end of discussion. No need for addition rules for what boils down to fantasy, as long as the law allows fantasy stories like the ones written here to be written. If you want to take away peoples' freedom that the law gives move to a dictatorial country and start your own site.


Very well stated.

At the risk of stating the obvious, the recent turn this discussion has taken ignores two important points:

First, as Toe (who's an experienced and practicing attorney) and Rope have pointed out many times, the "story codes," content warnings, and the creation of sub-boards are absolutely meaningless. If the government wants to crack down and shut down KB, they will do so, and KB is powerless to do anything about it.

Second (and perhaps more obviously), the readers who come here for this type of content want to read underage/"extreme pedophilia" content. I pass not the slightest judgement on this, but that's the reality. You can nit-pick what constitutes "post pubescent" all you want, but the fact remains that the vast majority of the readers want underage content. In that late, the age of degree of sexual maturation of the characters is completely beside the point.

Third, these stories and sub-boards essentially exist outside the total KB universe. With only a handful of exceptions, including you, these writers and readers make no contributions to the other parts of the board. Again, I'm not passing judgement, but that's the reality.

Finally -- and at the risk of beating a completely dead horse -- the 1408 boards have been deliberately separated from the other boards, and they were created in 2008.


http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=2435.0

The complaints about the content and posting style in these boards has been the subject of complaint and condemnation for well over a decade. The solution is breathtakingly simple: If you don't like that content, or that style of posting, don't go there. If you are offended, outraged, or triggered by that content, don't go there.




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« Reply #296 on: November 30, 2019, 01:35:50 AM »


Focus instead on their behaviour as written, the language put in their mouths, and you will get a better idea of the author's true intent.


Oh, so definitely true.  Not to mention the fact that we know at least the established authors that are card carrying pedophiles.


That's bullshit, you can't claim to know a thing about the "established authors" here other than what they share about themselves. I've seen people giving you crap, Psi, for what they perceive you to be, and that's wrong. 'Judge not unless ye be judged'.
Next May I'll have been on here ten years. I've gotten to know a lot of members over the years, some who are gone, others still here. Each has different tastes getting to know them as individuals instead of "just another fan of this perversion or that" and I find most have been a normal, nice people. So some have a fetish for Necrophilia or rape fantasies, which I personally dislike, but does that make them less human? Most all are perverts here in one way or another.

Places like KB have been a place for people to come and enjoy their fantasy or fantasies without judgment. You may not have to like Snuff stories, and they may nor have to like what you're into, but everyone should enjoy what they like and not attack people for what they like. KB would be a happier place if people didn't attack each other especially about Political/Room 1408 views. I didn't join KB to attack people, I came to write stories, make new friends, get away from the assholes of the world. My point is this subject is dead, the powers that be ruled on it, end of discussion. No need for addition rules for what boils down to fantasy, as long as the law allows fantasy stories like the ones written here to be written. If you want to take away peoples' freedom that the law gives move to a dictatorial country and start your own site.


Very well stated.

At the risk of stating the obvious, the recent turn this discussion has taken ignores two important points:

First, as Toe (who's an experienced and practicing attorney) and Rope have pointed out many times, the "story codes," content warnings, and the creation of sub-boards are absolutely meaningless. If the government wants to crack down and shut down KB, they will do so, and KB is powerless to do anything about it.

Second (and perhaps more obviously), the readers who come here for this type of content want to read underage/"extreme pedophilia" content. I pass not the slightest judgement on this, but that's the reality. You can nit-pick what constitutes "post pubescent" all you want, but the fact remains that the vast majority of the readers want underage content. In that late, the age of degree of sexual maturation of the characters is completely beside the point.

Third, these stories and sub-boards essentially exist outside the total KB universe. With only a handful of exceptions, including you, these writers and readers make no contributions to the other parts of the board. Again, I'm not passing judgement, but that's the reality.

Finally -- and at the risk of beating a completely dead horse -- the 1408 boards have been deliberately separated from the other boards, and they were created in 2008.


http://www.kristensboard.com/forums/index.php?topic=2435.0

The complaints about the content and posting style in these boards has been the subject of complaint and condemnation for well over a decade. The solution is breathtakingly simple: If you don't like that content, or that style of posting, don't go there. If you are offended, outraged, or triggered by that content, don't go there.





I thank you for your input.
Unfortunately it's all over but the shoutin'.
Still it is nice to see some common sense in this thread.
I had just started posting here when they decided to change things and I actually made the effort.
I wrote something that wasn't lolirotica, in fact it was a true story from my life, but it didn't get near the attention that my underage stories got.
I have a home for my work where people appreciate me, but it's the readers I kind of feel bad for, but what are you gonna do?
If that's how they want it that's the way it is.
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« Reply #297 on: February 03, 2020, 03:17:59 PM »

I think it would be hypocritical for me to assume everyone who reads or writes a paedo story poses a risk to the children in their lives just because I find those kinds of fantasies distasteful.

Not everyone, but one, of the hundreds of guests we have on here every day.  We don't have to assume that everyone who reads and writes such stories is a compulsive sex offender, but just 1.  Compulsive sex offender, looking here for validation.

Just 1 would be enough.

I'm never worried about the guys and gals who write stories of sex with children (under10). My concerns are about those in the shadows, people who get all hyper-emotional about said writings. I do not believe in censorship of any type if you do not wish to read those types of stories do not click on threads clearly marked as such. If you take a look at the statistics regarding views of the authors of these stories, you will see that they far outnumber those of any other genre. I do not see a pedophile around every corner or do I believe that persons who write or read such stories are pedophiles. Those opposed to these stories may want to take a look at themselves. I'm neither an offender or a victim, just a guy who believes in the freedom of speech and right to fantasize.
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« Reply #298 on: February 03, 2020, 03:23:53 PM »

Board rules will be enforced.  “Freedom of speech,” as it is popularly understood, does not exist in a private forum.  There are other places to post and read extreme pedophilic content.  This is not one of them.
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« Reply #299 on: February 03, 2020, 04:24:41 PM »


Board rules will be enforced.  “Freedom of speech,” as it is popularly understood, does not exist in a private forum.  There are other places to post and read extreme pedophilic content.  This is not one of them.


Exactly.

And if stories (or other content) are remove for violating board rules, it isn't censorship, and not by any definition of the term.

If you yell at the referee for a call (or non-call), you'll be shown a yellow card. And if you persist, you'll be shown another yellow card, and thus a red card, and you'll be dismissed from the match. You have the freedom of speech to say what you will to the referee, and he has the right -- actually, the obligation -- to send you packing.





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