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Reply #165 on: November 02, 2020, 07:19:25 PM
Why don't you like Biden?

The things I don't like about him he's appologized for.  I also think he's too old for the job, but so is Trump.
OK, first thing to understand about me is I'd been a Republican most of my life. I quit carrying water to the elephant when the religious right took over the party. I still voted Republican until 4 years ago, when I just refused to vote for either Trump or Clinton.

As for Biden, he just doesn't seem to be able to communicate with out a teleprompter. As I'm in the same age group as both candidates, I won't comment about that. OK, I'll admit I'm not as sharp as in my younger years...so that weighs against both Trump and Biden, just based on personal experience.

Looking at the choices of the last two elections, I'm in favor of bringing back the "smoke filled room" of political operatives picking the candidate.

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Reply #166 on: November 02, 2020, 07:24:49 PM
Well, one of the old candidates is decent, honest and caring.  And the other is the antithesis of that.


We’re not deciding if it’s wrong or right to put pineapple on pizza.  It’s a bit more serious than that.



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Reply #167 on: November 02, 2020, 08:16:50 PM






But other than that, he’s pretty much like any other President.

Trumpists are not good Americans.  They actually hate America, and are doing everything in their power to destroy equality, opportunity, and hope for the future.  It’s not a difference of opinion.  It’s a difference of morals, empathy, compassion, and knowing the difference between good and evil.



Take down the dictator tomorrow.



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Reply #168 on: November 02, 2020, 09:48:07 PM
Well, one of the old candidates is decent, honest and caring.  And the other is the antithesis of that.


Put it this way, regardless of the outcome half the country will be grieving.  One candidate will reach out to the other side and try and console them, the other will spray lighter fluid and throw matches.



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Reply #169 on: November 02, 2020, 10:43:37 PM
A Vote for Donald Trump is a Vote for Indecency.

By Matt Turner
November 2, 2020


You are your vote.

You can try to rationalize your support for Donald Trump. But at the end of the day, a vote for Donald Trump is a vote for indecency.

It is a vote for cruelty; for denial of truth; for depraved indifference to human life; for racism, sexism, and nativism; for corruption of the highest order; and for the destruction of our republic in favor of an authoritarian and despotic state.

You can try to parse your personal values from those held by the person you entrust to the White House by saying every president is flawed but he gets things done.

But this is a lie upon a lie.

First, you are lying to yourself when you pretend that normal human failings are equivalent to the cruel, narcissistic sociopathy of Donald Trump. I do not need to recount his almost countless transgressions—you know them, even if you try to ignore them.

You would never tolerate such moral relativism and obfuscation of conscience in your children. Why do you tolerate those things within yourself?

Second, he does not get things done. By all useful measures, the country is worse off today than it was in 2016. What promises has Donald Trump kept? Where is the infrastructure spending? How high is the trade deficit? How high is the national debt? Where is the “perfect” replacement of Obamacare? Where is the wall? Where are the manufacturing jobs?

Meanwhile, the country burns with video-exposed injustice across the country, while a president fans the flames with overt racism and encouragement of right-wing extremism. Meanwhile, the country convulses from a willfully mismanaged pandemic, with perhaps more than 100,000 Americans dead because of Donald Trump’s depraved indifference and incompetence.

The country is burning, while Trump fiddles on the golf course and pockets profits along the way.

You do not get to disclaim the ugliness of Donald Trump. You cannot claim to hold values diametrically opposed to the man you would choose to run the country.

This is especially true when you have a reasonable choice. Maybe that wasn’t the case in 2016. Maybe then, you could plausibly hope that the carnival barker would grow into the job. But that was then. This is now. Virtually every fear associated with a Trump presidency has come true, and then some. Now, you know. You know.

You know, despite the reassurance you try to take from the entire GOP walking and squawking in lockstep with the president. After all (so you try to think), how bad could the “Ukraine thing” have been if not a single GOP rep would vote to impeach? You know, despite the constellation of “news” sources in the right-wing echo chamber constantly shilling for the president’s corrupt agenda. After all (so you rationalize), there’s always two sides to a story, right? We just have to agree to disagree.

Those supposed reassurances are a cruel mirage. You are capable of seeing that.

I wish you would. I wish you would get indignant about it. I wish you would see how you are being played for a chump by people and institutions you think are your allies. What did you gain from the Trump tax cuts? What will they cost your children? What did you gain from the trade war?

And that Hunter Biden laptop story? The Wall Street Journal wouldn’t touch it. It’s too stupid for even Fox News to carry it, aside from the non-news shills like Tucker Carlson, who now pretend that the absence of any evidence is proof that it has been destroyed. Yet despite the ridiculous nature of the story, the most corrupt man to ever hold the White House wants you to at least pretend that the corruption of Joe Biden is somehow a thing you should worry about.

Donald Trump’s corruption is spreading before our eyes. It took only a year or so to corrupt an entire major political party. And we see daily proof that our whole society is becoming coarser, weaker, and more dangerous—with racism becoming normalized and insurrection against sitting state governments encouraged rather than condemned.

Recently, an armed caravan of Trump supporters threatened a Biden campaign bus in Texas, recklessly harassing it and causing the campaign to call off an event for safety reasons. How did the president respond? By retweeting a video of the event captioned “I LOVE TEXAS!”

Trump has been encouraging this sort of fascist behavior since the beginning of his presidential run. In 2015, two Boston men, self-admittedly inspired by Trump, beat a Latino homeless man nearly to death with a pipe and urinated on him. Asked about the assault, Trump responded, “…I will say that people who are following me are very passionate. They love this country and they want this country to be great again.”

What is different today? Only the scope and scale.

You are your vote.

No policy “wins,” even if they existed, are worth what we are losing.

Please think about what it means to support this man after all we have been through. Please think about the nature of the society we will leave to our children if he is given another term. Please think about what we have inherited, and what we are squandering.

We will be that generation that lost the republic.



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Reply #170 on: November 03, 2020, 03:16:53 AM


It’s all over now, but the waiting...
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Reply #171 on: November 03, 2020, 04:16:13 AM



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Reply #172 on: November 03, 2020, 01:16:46 PM
https://www.elephantjournal.com/profile/matt-turner/

Matt Turner is a management consultant in Chicago, IL. He was a lifelong Republican until the results of the Iowa caucus in 2016. Matt will vote straight Democrat in November. 
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Reply #173 on: November 03, 2020, 07:54:28 PM
https://www.elephantjournal.com/profile/matt-turner/

Matt Turner is a management consultant in Chicago, IL. He was a lifelong Republican until the results of the Iowa caucus in 2016. Matt will vote straight Democrat in November. 
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He has 9 Followers, elephant journal... daily blog.

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The story wasn’t about vote counts or prediction of a winner. It was about the moral vacuum that you live in John. I’m sure your soul is darker than Trump’s coal.  But hopefully we won’t have to listen to your parroting of alt-right propaganda much longer.



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Reply #174 on: November 04, 2020, 06:36:24 AM
i just wanted to say, jumping back and forth between cnn and fox ,for some reason cnn is showing a lot of states white (undecided) like fla. mich. wisc. texas...when fox has them red. but all bidens blue states are showing blue on fox, as if cnn is trying to delay saying it or...?

if i was watching cnn alone i would think biden was ahead quite a bit but if i was watching fox solely i would think its a dead heat.
also the bar graph on cnn for electoral votes reads trump at 136 and biden at 205 ,but the blue bar on the graph is way over twice the size of the red bar?  it would appear looking at just the graphics trump was around 100 and biden around 350...i'm no map maker math wiz but i could represent that more accurately freehand with a crayon.

dont have a theory on why this disparity or attribute any motive, just an observation.


i will say if it was me watching cnn alone and trump won i would be shocked and surprised at how he suddenly came from behind so magically fast !

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Reply #175 on: November 04, 2020, 01:38:55 PM
Jesus. The US election is like voting for your favourite STD.




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Reply #176 on: November 04, 2020, 01:48:21 PM
Jesus. The US election is like voting for your favourite STD.



Yep.



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Reply #177 on: November 04, 2020, 02:27:20 PM

i just wanted to say, jumping back and forth between cnn and fox ,for some reason cnn is showing a lot of states white (undecided) like fla. mich. wisc. texas...when fox has them red. but all bidens blue states are showing blue on fox, as if cnn is trying to delay saying it or...?

if i was watching cnn alone i would think biden was ahead quite a bit but if i was watching fox solely i would think its a dead heat.
also the bar graph on cnn for electoral votes reads trump at 136 and biden at 205 ,but the blue bar on the graph is way over twice the size of the red bar?  it would appear looking at just the graphics trump was around 100 and biden around 350...i'm no map maker math wiz but i could represent that more accurately freehand with a crayon.

dont have a theory on why this disparity or attribute any motive, just an observation.

i will say if it was me watching cnn alone and trump won i would be shocked and surprised at how he suddenly came from behind so magically fast !


I noticed that, too.

I was mainly watching PBS, but I switched over to CNN, FOX, and NBC (for local results) from time to time, and the differences you note between CNN and the others was striking.

There was clearly an air of wishful thinking on CNN that wasn't present on PBS, NBC, or even FOX, and I'll admit that the coverage I saw on FOX seemed even-handed.

 





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Reply #178 on: November 04, 2020, 03:33:05 PM
Jesus. The US election is like voting for your favourite STD.



More like voting against your least favorite  :facepalm:

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Reply #179 on: November 04, 2020, 04:19:12 PM
The country is split and likely to stay split for years to come. A look at the election map clearly shows its urban vs. rural.  There's no easy answer for bringing the country back together.  The only time that's happened in recent history was 9/11 when the Twin Towers were attacked. We damn well don't need that to happen.

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