Trump v. Biden - quick poll

[_priapism]

Hey John. 

[joan1984]

  Perfect, Toe... Just as I picture you, your "followers"... same ones who failed you in 2016... just older, and out of work, again, while being paid... lol...

Hey John. 

[Shiela_M]

I find it a little irritating how all the trump supporters claim that the trumpster is the reason the economy has picked up.  He got an economy already on the incline from the obama administration.  You can not deny that.  All the trumpster did was piggyback off that successes.  Sure he improved it a little more, unless you are a farmer, or work in the auto or steel industry, and then his trade war had our harbors swamped with cargo containers and ships full of waste that used to go to china.

Trump is out for trump and anything positive that happens is pure coincidence.  Like me stopping at a stop sign and then claiming I saved the lives of all the people I didn't hit.  

[watcher1]

Most economic recoveries take three or four years to get going, so the factors that led to the economic growth, pre pandemic, were started during the Obama administration.

[MissBarbara]

In what ways is the nation "so polarized"?

I think there's a strong argument that political discourse is "so polarized," to a point where considered, nuanced opinions are both the exception rather than the rule and generally have to be sought out. Consider the long list of otherwise innocuous actions that can now be considered a political statement, at least to some. Meanwhile, prominent political figures run the risk of receiving widespread and extended criticism for minor human foibles, regardless of their political party. You are the history expert so you know much better than I do how that the current climate compares to the rest of history, but my feeling is that in general people are more opinionated and less informed than they were a decade ago.

All of that is true. But, as I said at the end, I think most of this is due to the proliferation of social media sites which didn't even exist a decade ago.

And that's the difference. We are no more "polarized" than at many points in U.S. history, and in many ways less so. Americans are just as opinionated and just as ill-informed as in the past, they simply have in comparably more outlets to express their opinions. And, perhaps worst of all, fact-based opinions today seem completely beside the point.

And we are far less "polarized" than in many places elsewhere in the world, most notably, western Europe. To take the easy example, Trump is not a conservative and Biden is not a liberal, not even in the watered-down American usage of those terms. The difference between today's Democrats and Republicans -- except for a handful of push-button social issues, almost all of which the president has no control over -- is relatively minor, especially when compared to many Europeans nations.

There's also the somewhat uniquely American phenomenon of having bitter arguments over what can/might/could happen. Virtually everything related to the November elections, including the form under which voting will take place, is about what might happen, and one opinion is less viable than the next one.

[PoorJim]

What I meant by polarized is the mindset most people have that they only two choices, left or right.  The fact that an independent has almost no chance of winning in a primary election is an example.  If you're not voting either democrat or republican you may as well just not vote.  I really don't like either of the options in that respect but I can NEVER see myself voting for the likes of Trump so if I vote it will be for Biden or I just won't.

[Shiela_M]

I protest voted last election.  Penciled in.  I couldn't see myself voting for either primary candidate. Disliked and distrusted both.  So I still did my civic duty and voted but did an basic throw away vote.  This time my vote is purely anti-trumpster

People want to point fingers at me and blame me for trump winning, but I didnt vote for him.  Want to blame somebody for him winning, blame those that DID vote for him.

Blaming me for a trump win because of my protest vote is like blaming me for 9/11 because I didnt take one of those flights and stop the terrorists.

[MissBarbara]

And we are far less "polarized" than in many places elsewhere in the world, most notably, western Europe. To take the easy example, Trump is not a conservative and Biden is not a liberal, not even in the watered-down American usage of those terms. The difference between today's Democrats and Republicans -- except for a handful of push-button social issues, almost all of which the president has no control over -- is relatively minor, especially when compared to many Europeans nations.

I'm failing to understand your reasoning here. Polarisation is defined by division, not contrast. What Western European country are you thinking of?

Germany, for example, where you'll have large blocs of supporters from every point on the political spectrum, from communists to monarchists, and everywhere in between, including anarchists. Those blocs disagree about the form the government should take.

In the U.S., our "divisions" are between two parties which are only an inch or two right or left of center, and where everyone is in almost perfect agreement about the form the government should take (i.e. the one outlined in our 240-year-old Constitution). Even the very hotly debated topic of using the current Electoral College system vs. a Popular Vote system (or a hybrid of the two) is a dispute about the means, and not the form.

I've heard or read the phrase "deeply divided" referring to American opinions hundreds and hundreds of times, and -- as I mentioned -- except for a group of push-button social issues, we're not "deeply divided" at all.

[Jed_]

Me too.  

Counted out a little too quickly.  The other two I had hopes for have both dropped out and endorsed Biden.  Any and Pete, you are both class acts with bright futures.

I think a Biden/Klobuchar ticket would have appeal across the board, except for the “Bernie or Bust” faction.

Yep.

[watcher1]

Harris will win her VP debates with Pence. Not sure Biden will with Trump.

[ChirpingGirl]

Swing and a miss, creepy uncle Joe. 

[Lois]

I like Joe.  His heart is in the right place. I assume the reference to him as "sleepy" is because he's not exciting. 

Well, the truth is I've had enough of "exciting" the last four years. I'm looking forward to an end to children stolen from their parents and placed in cages on our southern border, daily childish snipes at other people, and the attacks on our democratic institutions.

Vote for Joe, let's get back to decency again.

[eater]

seriously?  after seeing how trump exposed all the swamp on dem side and fired all the swamp on rep side and created the best economy in my 60 years lifetime and did every single thing he promised like going down a check list...something i have NEVER seen any president do before..is anyone really even considering voting for a senile old guy who has been in politics for 40 years and accomplished nothing?

i laughed when trump ran..but he turned out to be the greatest president in my lifetime and i truly believe he saved our country from what we all see now in NY and seattle and anywhere democrats have bowed down to the nazi socialist facists that want to destroy the greatest country on earth..something they will ALL regret when they grow older and wiser and the bubble those spoiled brats live in really pops. if they get their way it will be their own personal hell they will struggle in to survive, and suffer while they kick themselves in the ass and say "my god i was stupid when i was young and destructive, i ruined my own future!"..they all need to spend a year or two in the philippines or somalia (or anywhere thats not a US ally) to get a dose of reality...then go back to the good ol USA and see if they still have a mood to tear down statues and history and defund the only thin blue line keeping real americans from getting out their guns and killing all the anti-american punk idiots and the brainwashing college staff who created this disgusting blight on our nation. God help us all if trump does not win.

[Lois]

Actually Trump inherited a great economy from Obama and he's been surfing along on its momentum and claiming credit for it.

As for his promises, has Mexico paid for the wall yet?

And if he did drain the swamp in Washington, he did so by appointing it to his administration.

Recent administrations with the MOST criminal indictments (Trump leads by far):

Trump (Republican) — 215

Nixon (Republican) — 76

Reagan (Republican) — 26

Recent administrations with the LEAST criminal indictments:

Obama (Democrat) — 0

Carter (Democrat) — 1

Clinton (Democrat) — 2

[Lois]

Trump Supporters

[Sweetums]

Trump said we would win and win until we were tired of winning. Last week my state of Florida had the most new covid-19 cases ever, and growing. Damn it, he was right. I am tired of winning.

[joan1984]

Here is another John Kasich Speech for everyone to enjoy:

How John Kasich really feels about Joe Biden!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=_gU7Jgkgk54&feature=emb_logo

[Lois]

And to think he feels so much worse about Trump that he's endorsed Biden!

[joan1984]

  When was John Kasich correct with a projection, endorsement for President? Wrong for past decade, longer perhaps.

Why not continue, I suppose...

And to think he feels so much worse about Trump that he's endorsed Biden!

[Lois]

Your team is not doing so well, Joan.

Your hero Steve Bannon was arrested for fraud.  Seems he used money collected for building a border wall to pay for lavish lifestyles,

And your other hero, Trump, was found to have comitted perjury according to a bipartisan Senate investigation. The same investigation also showed strong ties & coordination between the Russians and the 2016 Trump campaign.

Have fun trying to spin these things into a "win" for your cause.