Agreed. I'm not sure the difference between an asshole and an asshelmet. Is an asshelmet like a diaper for assholes?
Correctional officer facing felony charge after accidental shooting (http://wgme.com/news/local/correctional-officer-facing-felony-charge-after-accidental-shooting)
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Tim Elder, Unification Sanctuary's director of world missions, told worshippers the ceremony was meant to be a blessing of couples, not "inanimate objects," calling the AR-15 a "religious accoutrement." The church has held at least one other ceremony featuring assault-style rifles.
The ceremony prompted Wallenpaupack Area School District to move students at an elementary school down the street to other campuses.
The judge was alone in his Wheaton apartment in September when he fired the snub-nosed revolver and the round penetrated a mirror and went through the wall.
O’Shea went next door and knocked, but his neighbors were not home. He then found the building maintenance worker, telling him that the hole had been caused by a screwdriver or a nail gun.
When the neighbors later found the slug in their apartment, they called police, who charged O’Shea.
Teacher accidentally fires a gun in California high school during class on public safety (https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/13/teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-california-high-school-during-class-public-safety/422692002/?hootPostID=ed624590238139a70eb7ead21ac61269)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5518495/Girl-13-shot-dead-brother-9-video-game-controller.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5518495/Girl-13-shot-dead-brother-9-video-game-controller.html
Whomever left a gun out where a nine year old can grab it needs to be charged for the death of this child.
In California, if you have minor children and guns in the home, you are required to keep your guns in a gun safe. This should be the law in all 50 states.
COSTCO sells a safe for way under $1,000. Most guns cost $500 and up. If you can afford a gun, you can afford a safe. Or are guns more important than children?
I guess I should not have asked that last question.
Argument over peach cobbler at Mississippi truck stop leaves man with gunshot wound (http://whnt.com/2018/05/11/argument-over-peach-cobbler-leaves-man-with-gunshot-wound/)
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What a f'd up world.
While the drama was unfolding, a flag-toting man wearing a Make America Great cap and a pistol by his side suddenly appeared outside the school. He was immediately stopped by police.
"This idiot is walking down the street with a pistol by his side," one outraged man told the local affiliate. "I believe in the second amendment. But this is a crime scene... this is a slap in the face."
Several people killed in Santa Fe, Texas, high school shooting, suspect in custody (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-high-school-lockdown-amid-reports-active-shooter-n875341)QuoteWhile the drama was unfolding, a flag-toting man wearing a Make America Great cap and a pistol by his side suddenly appeared outside the school. He was immediately stopped by police.
"This idiot is walking down the street with a pistol by his side," one outraged man told the local affiliate. "I believe in the second amendment. But this is a crime scene... this is a slap in the face."
Whoa: Guy Accidentally Shoots Himself In The Groin While Bending Over! (http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh2c9x1th5AKzykv68&utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork)
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Wow! Could be a Darwin Award without actually killing himself!
News link (https://patch.com/michigan/rochester/recap-911-call-black-teen-shot-rochester-hills)
A 14 year old boy misses his bus to school.
He begins to walk and gets lost.
He knocks on a door to ask for some help.
He ends up being shot at as he runs from the house.
Watch the video embedded in the news story below. I AM SO DISGUSTED
News link (https://patch.com/michigan/rochester/recap-911-call-black-teen-shot-rochester-hills)
Somewhere people are rationalizing and celebrating the death of another black child.
They are probably unhappy he wasn't killed.
They are probably unhappy he wasn't killed.
You're already celebrating. What did Nietzche say about you, who fight monsters?
Yeah, he was talking about you, too.
#Shadenfreude
My mistake.
They are probably unhappy he wasn't killed.
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It's spelled "schadenfreude."
What a strange little world you live in where everyone you disagree with would celebrate the death of a child just because he’s black?
It's spelled "schadenfreude."
LOL! Thank god you're here, captain spelcheck! You didn't read the article, did you? You missed, the fact that he wasn't dead, but thanks for the language lesson. While you have it open in the other tab, look up Prryic Victory.
Check the sepling on that.
Am I holding up some stories you need to write like someone else was the other day?
Fuck off.
Please provide examples of where I am a hypocrite.
I admitted my mistake. Did you?
I don't have to do anything you fucking say. People on this board having made many, many racist attacks especially when it comes to justifying shooting people.
If my being angry and refusing to be nice to rapists and racists offends you, no one is forcing you to read my posts.
If my being angry and refusing to be nice to rapists and racists offends you, no one is forcing you to read my posts.
I'm not offended by you, in fact, I'm on your side. Most of the time, with remarkable regularity, but you're fighting for peace, and I'm telling you, that's counter productive.
I could use more Rational allies, but until you can tell friend from foe, you can only have enemies. Good luck with that.
If my being angry and refusing to be nice to rapists and racists offends you, no one is forcing you to read my posts.
I'm not offended by you, in fact, I'm on your side. Most of the time, with remarkable regularity, but you're fighting for peace, and I'm telling you, that's counter productive.
I could use more Rational allies, but until you can tell friend from foe, you can only have enemies. Good luck with that.
That’s an extremely accurate analysis of his conflict Psi. It coincides with how I feel too. I agree with him, but he manages to fuck it all up.
If my being angry and refusing to be nice to rapists and racists offends you, no one is forcing you to read my posts.
I'm not offended by you, in fact, I'm on your side. Most of the time, with remarkable regularity, but you're fighting for peace, and I'm telling you, that's counter productive.
I could use more Rational allies, but until you can tell friend from foe, you can only have enemies. Good luck with that.
That’s an extremely accurate analysis of his conflict Psi. It coincides with how I feel too. I agree with him, but he manages to fuck it all up.
If my displeasure with rapists and racists bother you, fuck off and ignore me.
No one is forcing you to read my posts either.
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but Athole has gotten to the point where everything and everyone is their enemy.
Frankly I wish you'd pick a side. You claimed to be on mine yet you can't stop attacking me.
'Daddy, I'm hurt': 6-year-old girl shot while family waits at McDonald's drive-thru (https://www.wyff4.com/article/daddy-i-m-hurt-6-year-old-girl-shot-while-family-waits-at-mcdonald-s-drive-thru/25080680)
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The Arizona Republic reported when police officers responded to the gun shot the man was found in the meat section of the Walmart store with “survivable injuries.”
10 shots because someone was stealing a cell phone. Are you F'n kidding me? Nobody's life was in danger. You don't fire a single shot in that instant. It's a f'n cellphone and a little girl got hurt because of it. UGH!
Oh ....It would be so nice to have a Gatling Gun from the 1800's......
Oh ....It would be so nice to have a Gatling Gun from the 1800's......
I would love Lewis gun. Of all ye olde timey machineguns (And precursors) I want a pan fed Lewis with the cooling jacket, and a bipod.
Horse Drawn Gatling Gun....with a good gun crew...!!!
"Lets play safe out there kiddies."
Police identify officer involved in accidental shooting of colleague during Lafayette incident (https://fox59.com/2019/01/09/police-identify-officer-involved-in-accidental-shooting-of-colleague-during-lafayette-incident/)
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Interesting......when police shoot other police officers (even by accident).
You don't hear anyone screaming their heads off about civil rights, protest marches,
political rallies (against police)....in fact the dog even got a byline in the story.
so apparently with apathetic American "it's okay for police to shoot police", we won't be bother by it.....but damn if you can shoot anybody else...!!!
Gotta love it.
so apparently with apathetic American "it's okay for police to shoot police", we won't be bother by it.....but damn if you can shoot anybody else...!!!
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Why do I find myself saying "DOINK" every time it hits her on the head. Is it just me?
Why do I find myself saying "DOINK" every time it hits her on the head. Is it just me?
The other thing that occurs to me is she could have easily pulled the trigger again the moment the barrel bonked her on the head.A Darwin Award submission, I see.
That would have been a closed casket funeral for sure.
I’m glad the range at my club would never allow such a thing to happen, at least not after the new rules were put in place. Some yahoo guest once brought a sheet of bullet proof glass to see if it really was, and the member that brought him allowed it. It was bullet proof alright, but the round bounced off and lodged in his cheek at his eye socket.
The other thing that occurs to me is she could have easily pulled the trigger again the moment the barrel bonked her on the head.A Darwin Award submission, I see.
That would have been a closed casket funeral for sure.
I’m glad the range at my club would never allow such a thing to happen, at least not after the new rules were put in place. Some yahoo guest once brought a sheet of bullet proof glass to see if it really was, and the member that brought him allowed it. It was bullet proof alright, but the round bounced off and lodged in his cheek at his eye socket.
Yellow Wall is sad it wasn't a POC the firearm was brandished at.
Did he breed first?Darwin Award Recipient.
MESA, Ariz. — A cellphone was rolling as a Valley driver was held at gunpoint in a case of road rage.
Court documents say Raymond Shepard, the man holding the gun, felt he had been cut off by another driver.
According to the documents, Shepard tailed the driver to a Lowes near US 60 and Ellsworth, where Shepard pointed a loaded Glock at the driver.
Travis Kelson and his wife had just stopped by the store to buy plants but instead stumbled on the intense standoff.
"He jumped out of his car immediately and pulled out a gun and started yelling at him, telling him to get on the ground and telling him he drives like crap," Kelson recalled.
The video shows Shepard cursing at the driver, while Kelson is heard asking Shepard to take his finger off the trigger.
Kelson called police, who arrested Shepard and recommended aggravated assault charges.
Video: Man points loaded gun at driver in Mesa road rage incident (https://www.12news.com/article/news/local/valley/video-man-points-loaded-gun-at-driver-in-mesa-road-rage-incident/75-d9e5dfa2-faf5-45d5-b94b-a245c7d17315?ICID=ref_fark)Kelson should agree to press charges. The ass which the gun should be found guilty if a felony and lose the ability to legally own firearms. People like him are not to be trusted with firearms, and have no business owning them.QuoteMESA, Ariz. — A cellphone was rolling as a Valley driver was held at gunpoint in a case of road rage.
Court documents say Raymond Shepard, the man holding the gun, felt he had been cut off by another driver.
According to the documents, Shepard tailed the driver to a Lowes near US 60 and Ellsworth, where Shepard pointed a loaded Glock at the driver.
Travis Kelson and his wife had just stopped by the store to buy plants but instead stumbled on the intense standoff.
"He jumped out of his car immediately and pulled out a gun and started yelling at him, telling him to get on the ground and telling him he drives like crap," Kelson recalled.
The video shows Shepard cursing at the driver, while Kelson is heard asking Shepard to take his finger off the trigger.
Kelson called police, who arrested Shepard and recommended aggravated assault charges.
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DECATUR — A Maroa man who prosecutors said threatened a Decatur driver with a gun and then followed him around town threatening to kill him, was in court Wednesday and pleaded not guilty to a charge of being an armed habitual criminal.
Kevin M. Roark, 30, appeared with his defense attorney, Steve Jones, and waived a preliminary hearing on the charge. Macon County Circuit Court Judge Phoebe Bowers scheduled a pretrial hearing for May 2. Roark remained in the custody of the Macon County Jail where he is being held without bond.
The charge against him dates to the night of March 6 when, according to a sworn Decatur police affidavit, Roark suddenly pulled up next to a 54-year-old man who had stopped in at the Circle K gas station, 3002 N. Main St, to check his car’s oil.
“(Roark) pointed a firearm at him and stated something like, ‘Why don’t you have license plates on your car?’” officer J. Briar Weddle said in the affidavit. Weddle said the frightened driver, who had never met Roark before, tried to get away by driving off, but Roark pursued him.
Weddle said Roark continued the pursuit down Main Street to Lake Shore Drive and then up Martin Luther King Jr. Drive. He was intercepted by police in the 1500 block of North Morgan Street about 9 p.m. after police were alerted by a 911 call.
Roark, who said little in court, is quoted in the affidavit as telling police he was convinced the other driver was responsible for threatening text messages he had received, even though he said he’d never met the man.
“He advised me he was going to kill the (other driver) if he caught up to him,” said Weddle. One bullet in Roark’s .38-caliber gun had been fired, and Weddle said Roark told him he had shot off a round earlier in the day at the intersection of Jasper Street and Grand Avenue to test whether the gun worked.
OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The injuries suffered by three children when Oklahoma police fired at a robbery suspect in a pickup truck are non-life-threatening, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said Saturday.
OSBI spokeswoman Brook Arbeitman said the 5-, 4- and 1-year-old children were taken to a Tulsa-area hospital. Their names and conditions were not released.
Olivia Hill told Sherman, Texas, news station KXII-TV that she is the mother of the three and of a fourth child who was not wounded.
"My 4-year-old daughter was shot in the head, and she has a bullet in her brain, and my 5-year-old has a skull fracture," Hill said. "My 1-year-old baby has gunshot wounds on her face. My 2-year-old wasn't touched with any bullets."
Hill and the four children were in the pickup with William Devaughn Smith, 21, when two officers approached him and gunfire broke out Friday in Hugo, which is near the Texas state line, Arbeitman said. Smith's relationship to Hill and the children isn't clear.
Investigators have not determined what led to the shooting that also wounded Smith, who was treated at a hospital about 30 miles (48 kilometers) away in Paris, Texas, then taken to a Texas jail on an Oklahoma robbery warrant, Arbeitman said.
"What happened between the contact with him and when police fired, we're still trying to put that together," the spokeswoman said. "The OSBI is still investigating whether he fired at police and whether he was armed."
Arbeitman also said it's unclear whether the officers who opened fire could see the children inside the truck.
Smith is suspected in an April 11 armed robbery at a Pizza Hut in Hugo. He hasn't been formally charged, and Lamar County, Texas, jail records do not list an attorney to speak on his behalf.
A post on the Hugo police Facebook page said a man entered the back entrance of the restaurant, pressed an object to an employee's back and demanded money. Police said the worker handed over money and the robber left.
Ormond Beach, FL – A member of a neighborhood’s Home Owner’s Association faces charges after firing a gun to get three victims away from a pool.
That’s according to Ormond Beach police in regards to 66-year-old Richard Marcelle and what happened at a community pool in The Village subdivision.
Last week (April 23rd), police say a mother walked into the Ormond Beach Police Department to file an assault report.
The mother said that an unknown suspect, later identified as Marcelle, fired a handgun in a threatening manner at her son and two of his friends, one of which was a juvenile.
They said that they went to The Village’s community pool to hang out when they were confronted by Marcelle.
It should be noted that the son is 18-years-old, and a resident of the subdivision, meaning he is allowed to be at the pool and accompany minors to the pool.
According to the narrative, while they were swimming at the pool, Marcelle approached the teens and demanded they leave the pool as the pool closed at sunset.
All three were in agreement to leave, as they believed they were violating the pool’s rules.
But, as they began to leave, they noticed that the posted pool rules said that the pool actually closed at 10 p.m. After seeing that notice, they approached Marcelle at the front of the pool’s club house to tell him that the pool was still open.
After telling Marcelle that the rules allowed them to say, he rebutted by saying the rules have changed.
The report shows that the HOA board for the neighborhood, which includes Marcelle, voted to change the pool hours a few days prior to the incident.
But, the posted rules had not changed, meaning residents were not properly informed.
A small argument then ensued between the victims and Marcelle. Following the argument, the victims decided to ignore his demands to leave and walked backed to the area, believing the rules were correct.
Marcelle then intercepted the group as they attempted to re-enter the pool area, displaying a small black revolver style handgun. He then fired the gun into the soil off to the side.
One of them asked “did you really just shoot a gun,” to which Marcelle replied “yes, I am putting my own life at risk,” according to the report.
The victims then began to leave as Marcelle followed them to their vehicle. They ended up leaving the area after copying Marcelle’s tag number off of his vehicle.
A couple of days later (April 25th), Ormond Beach police went to the clubhouse to review the security footage of the incident.
In the video, police saw the victims arrive at the pool around 9 p.m. While there, the victims gathered outdoor chairs and then began to socialize.
Several minutes later, Marcelle arrives at the clubhouse in a truck with no vehicle lights on, in what appeared to be an attempt to not be noticed, according to police.
The video then showed Marcelle approaching the victims and conversing with them.
After conversing, Marcelle walked back to his vehicle while the victims appeared to linger around the pool area for a few more minutes. They then appeared to take notice of the posted rules.
Marcelle was also observed leaving his truck, with a small black revolver cupped in his left hand.
That’s when the victims were confronted by Marcelle again, who was seen on video maintaining an aggressive stance while standing in front of the victims.
During the confrontation, it seemed that the victims were unaware of Marcelle being armed.
While watching the interaction, police noticed that the victims made no aggressive or violent advancements, postures or gestures towards Marcelle.
Later that day, an OBPD detective tried making contact with Marcelle at his home in the neighborhood, but he didn’t answer the door.
Marcelle ended up calling the detective later in the day, saying that he’s acquired an attorney and he will not speak with police.
A few days later, police met with the victims to run a photo lineup. And out of six photos, all three victims identified Marcelle.
Marcelle was booked into the Volusia County Jail yesterday (May 1st), charged with three counts of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and discharging a firearm in public.
Jail records show that Marcelle has posted $35,000 bond and is no longer in custody.
The Miami Police Department identified one of its officers whose gun accidentally discharged Wednesday inside a Publix grocery store as Officer Mario Gonzalez, an 11-year veteran of the police department.
Authorities said Gonzalez was off duty Wednesday afternoon when his personal gun accidentally discharged while he was standing in line at the Publix at 16800 N. Kendall Drive.
Miami-Dade police Detective Alvaro Zabaleta said the bullet hit the ground and subsequently grazed a woman who was also in the line.
She was treated at the Publix by Miami-Dade Fire Rescue personnel.
"I saw the lady sitting," customer Nancy Perez told Local 10 News. "She looked fine to me."
Inside the grocery store, crime scene tape surrounded several cash registers after the incident.
A photo obtained by Local 10 News shows evidence markers on the ground.
Miami-Dade police are investigating the accidental shooting.
"This is a pending Miami-Dade investigation and, as such, we cannot comment," Publix said in a statement.
Miami Police Department spokeswoman Kenia Fallat said Gonzalez is currently assigned to the training and personnel development section.
OMG! Were you there? :emot_weird:
A hunting guide and his client accidentally shot each other and then blamed it on undocumented migrants, police in the US have said.
Officers attended the scene at a remote south Texas ranch, near to the Mexico border, in early January, finding the two men bleeding from gunshot wounds. A second guide was involved in the incident, but escaped without injury.
The casualties, guide Walker Daughtery, 26, and client Edwin Roberts, 59, and the other guide, Michael Bryant, told police they suspected the shooters were undocumented immigrants they had seen on the ranch earlier in their trip.
Their story was shared thousands of times online after Texas Commissioner of Agriculture and Donald Trump ally Sid Miller wrote about it on Facebook.
But police and a grand jury have now concluded the men were lying about the incident, and actually shot each other.
Investigators believe that Mr Daughtery became paranoid that illegal immigrants were inside a vehicle with Mr Roberts and his wife and attempted to get inside without saying anything, prompting Mr Roberts to shoot at the door.
Mr Daughtery then ran back to his cabin to grab his gun and to get backup from Mr Bryant, and together they opened fire on the truck.
Mr Daughtery and Mr Roberts were both struck by bullets, to the chest and to the arm respectively. It is believed that Mr Daughtery shot Mr Roberts, his client, and Mr Bryant shot Mr Daughtery, his colleague.
Police told news channel CBS 7 they are conducting ballistic testing to determine which guns fired which bullets, but they cannot test the bullet that struck Mr Daughtery as it is too close to his heart to be safely removed.
Mr Daughtery and Mr Bryant have both been indicted on third-degree felony charges, punishable by up to five years in prison.
After the alleged attack, a family friend setup a GoFundMe page stating that Mr Daughtery and his group were involved in a shoot-out with some illegal immigrants that were trying to steal his RV with his clients still inside it.
The appeal, to help pay for Mr Daughtery's medical bills as he is uninsured, raised over $26,000 (more than £20,000) before it was shut down.
Mr Daughtery's fiancée, who was at the ranch on the night of the shooting, told CBS 7 she could not comment on the case until it was completed, but said the couple had had multiple encounters with undocumented immigrants in the past month. She claimed they had had hundreds of dollars'-worth of supplies stolen by them from the ranch.
Although the area is well known for undocumented migrants from Mexico crossing over the border, Presidio County Sheriff Danny Dominguez said he had never seen violence like the alleged incident before. He said he was sceptical of the story from the beginning, and suggested the hunters were paranoid.
He told CBS 7: “I mean border patrol are experts in tracking in this area, we trust what they say because that’s all they do on a daily basis, and they didn’t find no sign, no indication that there was anybody in or out of that area that night.
“By the looks of it right now, we believe that during the shooting, with all the commotion and confusion going on, we believe that Michael shot Walker and Walker had shot Edwin,” Mr Dominguez added.
Mr Dominguez added that it took emergency services nearly two hours to arrive at the remote ranch, but fortunately one of the men’s wives was a nurse and was able to keep both men from bleeding out.
He said he wants ranchers and residents in the area to know they have nothing to fear at this time "regarding any violence from across the border".
Mr Miller, who became infamous in the US during last year’s election campaign when he called Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton a "c***" in a Tweet, deleted his initial Facebook post about the incident after police said they were suspicious of the hunters’ story.
Mr Miller’s initial post included two pictures of Mr Daugherty, one of which showed him in his hospital bed.
“The aliens were ambushing the RV that Walker and his wife. He was shot while trying to protect his hunters from the attack. Walker is a man of God and is now a hero,” Mr Miller wrote.
“This is why we need the wall and to secure our borders,” he added, in the post.
In addition to criticising the commissioner for spreading "fake news" people commenting on social media and local news outlets declared it ironic that it was actually paranoia about border security, not a lack of border security, that appears to have landed the two men in hospital.
His wife told him it was a bad idea. His sister reminded him of what had happened in El Paso less than a week earlier, when a gunman killed 22 people after opening fire at a shopping center and Walmart.
But Dmitriy Andreychenko went ahead with his plan for a “social experiment,” according to police. The 20-year-old used a cellphone Thursday to film himself entering a Walmart in Springfield, Mo., wearing body armor and carrying a loaded military-style rifle. He said he wanted to test whether his Second Amendment rights would be honored in a public area.
The subsequent scenes of panic were frighteningly familiar. In the week since two mass shootings in Texas and Ohio left 31 dead, moments including a backfiring motorcycle in Manhattan’s Times Square to a falling sign in a Utah mall have triggered pandemonium. On Tuesday, panicked customers ran from a Louisiana Walmart after men in an argument drew weapons, police said.
Andreychenko claimed he did not anticipate customers’ reactions, a Friday statement from a Springfield police officer says.
“This is Missouri,” he told investigators, according to law enforcement. “I understand if we were somewhere else like New York or California, people would freak out.”
Prosecutors on Friday charged Andreychenko, of Springfield, with making a terrorist threat, saying he recklessly disregarded the risk of causing a building evacuation by knowingly sowing fear in the wake of the El Paso mass shooting at the same retail chain.
Missouri is an open-carry state. In 2014, state law allowed anyone with a concealed-carry weapon permit to carry a weapon in the open, statewide, overriding local regulations. In 2017, Missouri became a “shall issue” state for concealed weapons, allowing anyone 19 or older to carry a concealed weapon or one in the open without a permit.
“Missouri protects the right of people to open carry a firearm, but that does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner endangering other citizens,” Greene County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement, likening Andreychenko’s actions to raising a false fire alarm in a theater.
Andreychenko’s second-degree felony charge carries up to four years’ imprisonment and a fine of as much as $10,000. He is being held on $10,000 bond with the stipulation that he may not possess a firearm, according to the prosecutor.
The Washington Post could not immediately reach Andreychenko for comment. It is not clear whether he has a lawyer.
Andreychenko — who typically keeps a gun and vest in his car, according to his wife — arrived at Walmart just after 4 p.m. Thursday despite his family’s warnings that his plan would provoke fear after the El Paso massacre, court documents say. The man used his cellphone to record himself entering the Walmart’s front entrance and then headed toward the building’s southeast corner, according to police. On his right hip was another weapon besides his AR-style rifle: a semiautomatic handgun loaded with one round in its chamber. Police say he had more than 100 rounds of ammunition.
He said he was recording in case somebody stopped him. He just wanted to shop, he said — and test Walmart’s support for the right to bear arms.
Although he said he did not anticipate the fearful response, Andreychenko knew about the shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, and even said he brought the rifle and body armor to protect himself after the deadly attacks, police said.
Walmart employees quickly raised alarms.
Watching the armed man move down the aisles with a shopping cart, a store manager told an employee to pull the fire alarm to get people out of the store, believing that Andreychenko would open fire. Andreychenko said he, too, left the store at that point, police said. Surveillance footage captures shoppers fleeing.
Officers took the man into custody “without incident” after a store patron — identified by a local news station as a former member of the military — held Andreychenko at gunpoint outside the building, according to authorities.
While Andreychenko did not fire at anyone, according to police, a Battlefield City officer and another driver “suffered severe injuries” in a crash as the officer rushed to the scene with emergency lights and sirens. Both people were taken to the emergency room.
The debate over where guns are allowed to be carried is long and complex. Missouri is one of about 30 states that allow people to carry an openly held or concealed firearm without a permit, the Associated Press reported. There have been numerous incidents where advocates of the Second Amendment have displayed weapons in the open. But such efforts have rarely triggered the level of panic seen in Springfield.
Walmart said in a statement that Andreychenko is no longer welcome in the chain’s stores and that it is working with authorities.
“This was a reckless act designed to scare people, disrupt our business and it put our associates and customers at risk,” the company said. “We applaud the quick actions of our associates to evacuate customers from our store, and we’re thankful no one was injured.”
Springfield attorney Scott Pierson told local news outlet KY3 that Andreychenko might not have been arrested for the incident if it happened before the shootings last weekend in El Paso and Dayton.
“But because of those things [that] happened, a reasonable person would be fearful of an individual walking in with a tactical vest and what looks like an assault rifle,” he said.
Springfield Police Lt. Mike Lucas told CNN that Andreychenko “certainly had . . . the potential to harm people.”
“His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business,” Lucas said. “In fact, he’s lucky to be alive still, to be honest.”]His wife told him it was a bad idea. His sister reminded him of what had happened in El Paso less than a week earlier, when a gunman killed 22 people after opening fire at a shopping center and Walmart.
But Dmitriy Andreychenko went ahead with his plan for a “social experiment,” according to police. The 20-year-old used a cellphone Thursday to film himself entering a Walmart in Springfield, Mo., wearing body armor and carrying a loaded military-style rifle. He said he wanted to test whether his Second Amendment rights would be honored in a public area.
The subsequent scenes of panic were frighteningly familiar. In the week since two mass shootings in Texas and Ohio left 31 dead, moments including a backfiring motorcycle in Manhattan’s Times Square to a falling sign in a Utah mall have triggered pandemonium. On Tuesday, panicked customers ran from a Louisiana Walmart after men in an argument drew weapons, police said.
Andreychenko claimed he did not anticipate customers’ reactions, a Friday statement from a Springfield police officer says.
“This is Missouri,” he told investigators, according to law enforcement. “I understand if we were somewhere else like New York or California, people would freak out.”
Prosecutors on Friday charged Andreychenko, of Springfield, with making a terrorist threat, saying he recklessly disregarded the risk of causing a building evacuation by knowingly sowing fear in the wake of the El Paso mass shooting at the same retail chain.
Missouri is an open-carry state. In 2014, state law allowed anyone with a concealed-carry weapon permit to carry a weapon in the open, statewide, overriding local regulations. In 2017, Missouri became a “shall issue” state for concealed weapons, allowing anyone 19 or older to carry a concealed weapon or one in the open without a permit.
“Missouri protects the right of people to open carry a firearm, but that does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner endangering other citizens,” Greene County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement, likening Andreychenko’s actions to raising a false fire alarm in a theater.
Andreychenko’s second-degree felony charge carries up to four years’ imprisonment and a fine of as much as $10,000. He is being held on $10,000 bond with the stipulation that he may not possess a firearm, according to the prosecutor.
The Washington Post could not immediately reach Andreychenko for comment. It is not clear whether he has a lawyer.
Andreychenko — who typically keeps a gun and vest in his car, according to his wife — arrived at Walmart just after 4 p.m. Thursday despite his family’s warnings that his plan would provoke fear after the El Paso massacre, court documents say. The man used his cellphone to record himself entering the Walmart’s front entrance and then headed toward the building’s southeast corner, according to police. On his right hip was another weapon besides his AR-style rifle: a semiautomatic handgun loaded with one round in its chamber. Police say he had more than 100 rounds of ammunition.
He said he was recording in case somebody stopped him. He just wanted to shop, he said — and test Walmart’s support for the right to bear arms.
Although he said he did not anticipate the fearful response, Andreychenko knew about the shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, and even said he brought the rifle and body armor to protect himself after the deadly attacks, police said.
Walmart employees quickly raised alarms.
Watching the armed man move down the aisles with a shopping cart, a store manager told an employee to pull the fire alarm to get people out of the store, believing that Andreychenko would open fire. Andreychenko said he, too, left the store at that point, police said. Surveillance footage captures shoppers fleeing.
Officers took the man into custody “without incident” after a store patron — identified by a local news station as a former member of the military — held Andreychenko at gunpoint outside the building, according to authorities.
While Andreychenko did not fire at anyone, according to police, a Battlefield City officer and another driver “suffered severe injuries” in a crash as the officer rushed to the scene with emergency lights and sirens. Both people were taken to the emergency room.
The debate over where guns are allowed to be carried is long and complex. Missouri is one of about 30 states that allow people to carry an openly held or concealed firearm without a permit, the Associated Press reported. There have been numerous incidents where advocates of the Second Amendment have displayed weapons in the open. But such efforts have rarely triggered the level of panic seen in Springfield.
Walmart said in a statement that Andreychenko is no longer welcome in the chain’s stores and that it is working with authorities.
“This was a reckless act designed to scare people, disrupt our business and it put our associates and customers at risk,” the company said. “We applaud the quick actions of our associates to evacuate customers from our store, and we’re thankful no one was injured.”
Springfield attorney Scott Pierson told local news outlet KY3 that Andreychenko might not have been arrested for the incident if it happened before the shootings last weekend in El Paso and Dayton.
“But because of those things [that] happened, a reasonable person would be fearful of an individual walking in with a tactical vest and what looks like an assault rifle,” he said.
Springfield Police Lt. Mike Lucas told CNN that Andreychenko “certainly had . . . the potential to harm people.”
“His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business,” Lucas said. “In fact, he’s lucky to be alive still, to be honest.”
Armed man who sowed panic at Walmart claimed he was testing his Second Amendment rights, police say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/08/10/armed-man-who-sowed-panic-walmart-said-he-was-testing-his-nd-amendment-rights-police-say/)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfUH85uXcAAAGvZ.jpg)QuoteHis wife told him it was a bad idea. His sister reminded him of what had happened in El Paso less than a week earlier, when a gunman killed 22 people after opening fire at a shopping center and Walmart.
But Dmitriy Andreychenko went ahead with his plan for a “social experiment,” according to police. The 20-year-old used a cellphone Thursday to film himself entering a Walmart in Springfield, Mo., wearing body armor and carrying a loaded military-style rifle. He said he wanted to test whether his Second Amendment rights would be honored in a public area.
The subsequent scenes of panic were frighteningly familiar. In the week since two mass shootings in Texas and Ohio left 31 dead, moments including a backfiring motorcycle in Manhattan’s Times Square to a falling sign in a Utah mall have triggered pandemonium. On Tuesday, panicked customers ran from a Louisiana Walmart after men in an argument drew weapons, police said.
Andreychenko claimed he did not anticipate customers’ reactions, a Friday statement from a Springfield police officer says.
“This is Missouri,” he told investigators, according to law enforcement. “I understand if we were somewhere else like New York or California, people would freak out.”
Prosecutors on Friday charged Andreychenko, of Springfield, with making a terrorist threat, saying he recklessly disregarded the risk of causing a building evacuation by knowingly sowing fear in the wake of the El Paso mass shooting at the same retail chain.
Missouri is an open-carry state. In 2014, state law allowed anyone with a concealed-carry weapon permit to carry a weapon in the open, statewide, overriding local regulations. In 2017, Missouri became a “shall issue” state for concealed weapons, allowing anyone 19 or older to carry a concealed weapon or one in the open without a permit.
“Missouri protects the right of people to open carry a firearm, but that does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner endangering other citizens,” Greene County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement, likening Andreychenko’s actions to raising a false fire alarm in a theater.
Andreychenko’s second-degree felony charge carries up to four years’ imprisonment and a fine of as much as $10,000. He is being held on $10,000 bond with the stipulation that he may not possess a firearm, according to the prosecutor.
The Washington Post could not immediately reach Andreychenko for comment. It is not clear whether he has a lawyer.
Andreychenko — who typically keeps a gun and vest in his car, according to his wife — arrived at Walmart just after 4 p.m. Thursday despite his family’s warnings that his plan would provoke fear after the El Paso massacre, court documents say. The man used his cellphone to record himself entering the Walmart’s front entrance and then headed toward the building’s southeast corner, according to police. On his right hip was another weapon besides his AR-style rifle: a semiautomatic handgun loaded with one round in its chamber. Police say he had more than 100 rounds of ammunition.
He said he was recording in case somebody stopped him. He just wanted to shop, he said — and test Walmart’s support for the right to bear arms.
Although he said he did not anticipate the fearful response, Andreychenko knew about the shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, and even said he brought the rifle and body armor to protect himself after the deadly attacks, police said.
Walmart employees quickly raised alarms.
Watching the armed man move down the aisles with a shopping cart, a store manager told an employee to pull the fire alarm to get people out of the store, believing that Andreychenko would open fire. Andreychenko said he, too, left the store at that point, police said. Surveillance footage captures shoppers fleeing.
Officers took the man into custody “without incident” after a store patron — identified by a local news station as a former member of the military — held Andreychenko at gunpoint outside the building, according to authorities.
While Andreychenko did not fire at anyone, according to police, a Battlefield City officer and another driver “suffered severe injuries” in a crash as the officer rushed to the scene with emergency lights and sirens. Both people were taken to the emergency room.
The debate over where guns are allowed to be carried is long and complex. Missouri is one of about 30 states that allow people to carry an openly held or concealed firearm without a permit, the Associated Press reported. There have been numerous incidents where advocates of the Second Amendment have displayed weapons in the open. But such efforts have rarely triggered the level of panic seen in Springfield.
Walmart said in a statement that Andreychenko is no longer welcome in the chain’s stores and that it is working with authorities.
“This was a reckless act designed to scare people, disrupt our business and it put our associates and customers at risk,” the company said. “We applaud the quick actions of our associates to evacuate customers from our store, and we’re thankful no one was injured.”
Springfield attorney Scott Pierson told local news outlet KY3 that Andreychenko might not have been arrested for the incident if it happened before the shootings last weekend in El Paso and Dayton.
“But because of those things [that] happened, a reasonable person would be fearful of an individual walking in with a tactical vest and what looks like an assault rifle,” he said.
Springfield Police Lt. Mike Lucas told CNN that Andreychenko “certainly had . . . the potential to harm people.”
“His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business,” Lucas said. “In fact, he’s lucky to be alive still, to be honest.”]His wife told him it was a bad idea. His sister reminded him of what had happened in El Paso less than a week earlier, when a gunman killed 22 people after opening fire at a shopping center and Walmart.
But Dmitriy Andreychenko went ahead with his plan for a “social experiment,” according to police. The 20-year-old used a cellphone Thursday to film himself entering a Walmart in Springfield, Mo., wearing body armor and carrying a loaded military-style rifle. He said he wanted to test whether his Second Amendment rights would be honored in a public area.
The subsequent scenes of panic were frighteningly familiar. In the week since two mass shootings in Texas and Ohio left 31 dead, moments including a backfiring motorcycle in Manhattan’s Times Square to a falling sign in a Utah mall have triggered pandemonium. On Tuesday, panicked customers ran from a Louisiana Walmart after men in an argument drew weapons, police said.
Andreychenko claimed he did not anticipate customers’ reactions, a Friday statement from a Springfield police officer says.
“This is Missouri,” he told investigators, according to law enforcement. “I understand if we were somewhere else like New York or California, people would freak out.”
Prosecutors on Friday charged Andreychenko, of Springfield, with making a terrorist threat, saying he recklessly disregarded the risk of causing a building evacuation by knowingly sowing fear in the wake of the El Paso mass shooting at the same retail chain.
Missouri is an open-carry state. In 2014, state law allowed anyone with a concealed-carry weapon permit to carry a weapon in the open, statewide, overriding local regulations. In 2017, Missouri became a “shall issue” state for concealed weapons, allowing anyone 19 or older to carry a concealed weapon or one in the open without a permit.
“Missouri protects the right of people to open carry a firearm, but that does not allow an individual to act in a reckless and criminal manner endangering other citizens,” Greene County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Patterson said in a statement, likening Andreychenko’s actions to raising a false fire alarm in a theater.
Andreychenko’s second-degree felony charge carries up to four years’ imprisonment and a fine of as much as $10,000. He is being held on $10,000 bond with the stipulation that he may not possess a firearm, according to the prosecutor.
The Washington Post could not immediately reach Andreychenko for comment. It is not clear whether he has a lawyer.
Andreychenko — who typically keeps a gun and vest in his car, according to his wife — arrived at Walmart just after 4 p.m. Thursday despite his family’s warnings that his plan would provoke fear after the El Paso massacre, court documents say. The man used his cellphone to record himself entering the Walmart’s front entrance and then headed toward the building’s southeast corner, according to police. On his right hip was another weapon besides his AR-style rifle: a semiautomatic handgun loaded with one round in its chamber. Police say he had more than 100 rounds of ammunition.
He said he was recording in case somebody stopped him. He just wanted to shop, he said — and test Walmart’s support for the right to bear arms.
Although he said he did not anticipate the fearful response, Andreychenko knew about the shootings in El Paso and Dayton, Ohio, and even said he brought the rifle and body armor to protect himself after the deadly attacks, police said.
Walmart employees quickly raised alarms.
Watching the armed man move down the aisles with a shopping cart, a store manager told an employee to pull the fire alarm to get people out of the store, believing that Andreychenko would open fire. Andreychenko said he, too, left the store at that point, police said. Surveillance footage captures shoppers fleeing.
Officers took the man into custody “without incident” after a store patron — identified by a local news station as a former member of the military — held Andreychenko at gunpoint outside the building, according to authorities.
While Andreychenko did not fire at anyone, according to police, a Battlefield City officer and another driver “suffered severe injuries” in a crash as the officer rushed to the scene with emergency lights and sirens. Both people were taken to the emergency room.
The debate over where guns are allowed to be carried is long and complex. Missouri is one of about 30 states that allow people to carry an openly held or concealed firearm without a permit, the Associated Press reported. There have been numerous incidents where advocates of the Second Amendment have displayed weapons in the open. But such efforts have rarely triggered the level of panic seen in Springfield.
Walmart said in a statement that Andreychenko is no longer welcome in the chain’s stores and that it is working with authorities.
“This was a reckless act designed to scare people, disrupt our business and it put our associates and customers at risk,” the company said. “We applaud the quick actions of our associates to evacuate customers from our store, and we’re thankful no one was injured.”
Springfield attorney Scott Pierson told local news outlet KY3 that Andreychenko might not have been arrested for the incident if it happened before the shootings last weekend in El Paso and Dayton.
“But because of those things [that] happened, a reasonable person would be fearful of an individual walking in with a tactical vest and what looks like an assault rifle,” he said.
Springfield Police Lt. Mike Lucas told CNN that Andreychenko “certainly had . . . the potential to harm people.”
“His intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business,” Lucas said. “In fact, he’s lucky to be alive still, to be honest.”
#Resist
A Ass-helmet/Asshole with a gun. Soon to be a
Former Asshole with a gun, I expect. Which Reverend
will get on scene, on Camera, first, one wonders.
By Sunrise, at least one, maybe two valued Parking
Places will be appropriated for a Whisky Bottle and
Candle and rain drenched stuffed animal Memorial to
the criminal(s). Hope they kill enough of the thugs for
the Multiple Parking Space appropriation kind of Memorial.
Some Alderman or Reverend or both, will suggest the
City squander some millions on a investigation, before
the bodies are cold, a blue ribbon commission.
Somehow will be Trumps fault, on CNN for sure.
A Obama supporter, 99.8% chance...
Not a Trump Voter, 100% chance...
Will have more such at his funeral, Obama supporters,
Reverends, CNN, MSNBC, other leftist Media, no doubt.
City of Brotherly Love, attacking the Police in this heavily
Gun Controlled Democrat City. Need to destroy their family
homes, when they kill him and whoever is with him.
Of course, will not turn out to have 'owned' a home, likely.
Just another day in another Democrat controlled city. Yup.
Only counts as Mass Murder if the shooter kills 4+, right...
In February, F.B.I. agents in Alaska who were researching an online chat room found that someone had posted several times about supporting mass shootings and assaults, and targeted Planned Parenthood, the authorities said.
The person’s online following was growing, they said. Delving deeper, the authorities found that he had written in June about shooting federal agents. Investigators traced his email address and found that it originated in Boardman, Ohio.
Last week, the authorities arrested Justin Olsen, 18, in Boardman, and he was charged on Monday with threatening to assault a federal law enforcement officer, according to documents filed in federal court. The authorities seized more than a dozen rifles, including some AR-15-style rifles, and about 10,000 rounds of ammunition from a home where Mr. Olsen was living, according the court filing.
It is not clear whether the weapons belonged to Mr. Olsen, or whether he even had access to them — many were kept in a “gun vault” in his father’s room, according to the filing.
But the details of the F.B.I.’s investigation, outlined in the filing, provided a glimpse of how the authorities investigate and seek to stop online threats from becoming reality at a time when back-to-back mass shootings in Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso this month have shocked the United States.
Mr. Olsen is being held in federal custody, according to the court filing. His lawyer, Ross T. Smith, did not immediately respond to requests for comment Tuesday evening.
Mr. Olsen told an F.B.I. agent that his online posts were jokes and that his comment about shooting federal agents was an exaggeration, according to the court filing.
In a message that Mr. Olsen sent referencing the 1993 gun battle in Waco, Tex., between a religious sect, the Branch Davidians, and agents with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms — four agents and several members of the sect were killed — he said: “In conclusion, shoot every federal agent on sight.”
He told the F.B.I. that his comments were a “hyperbolic conclusion based on the results of the Waco siege” where “the A.T.F. slaughtered families,” according to the court filing.
Efforts to reach Mr. Olsen’s family on Tuesday evening were unsuccessful.
The F.B.I. did not immediately respond to requests for comment Tuesday evening.
The agency said in the court filing that in March, agents in Alaska found that the online account associated with Mr. Olsen “showed a large increase in subscribers” from the previous month. He had 4,400 followers on iFunny, a website and mobile application where users can share photos, videos and messages, according to the filing.
A message posted by the account in August suggested that people should not comply with gun laws, according to the court filing. “Stock up on stuff they could ban,” the post reads. “In fact, go out of your way to break these laws.”
“Even the Oklahoma City bombing shows that armed resistance is a viable method of political change,” Mr. Olsen posted online, according to the affidavit, apparently referencing the 1995 bombing that killed 168 people. “There is no legal solution.”
Mr. Olsen was living with his father in Boardman at the time of his arrest, according to the affidavit. On Aug. 7, the authorities arrested Mr. Olsen as he was leaving the home.
That same day, federal investigators searched the home. In one bedroom, they found 10,000 rounds of ammunition, camouflage clothing and backpacks, according to the court filing. In the trunk of Justin Olsen’s car, investigators found a machete.
In Mr. Olsen’s father’s bedroom, investigators found AR-15-style rifles and shotguns.
The authorities seized 15 rifles, several shotguns, 10 semiautomatic pistols and 10,000 rounds of ammunition from the home, according to the affidavit.
The next hearing in Mr. Olsen’s case is scheduled for Aug. 16.
Woman shoots her wife Eleven times...
over divorce talk...
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/riverview-woman-survives-being-shot-11-times-by-wife-she-emptied-the-clip-
Woman shoots her wife Eleven times...
over divorce talk...
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/riverview-woman-survives-being-shot-11-times-by-wife-she-emptied-the-clip-
A mute point if she had used an AR.
Woman shoots her wife Eleven times...
over divorce talk...
http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/riverview-woman-survives-being-shot-11-times-by-wife-she-emptied-the-clip-
A mute point if she had used an AR.
Since it sounds like they were arguing with each other staci, it’s probably more of a moot point than a mute one. ;D
Now I’m going to catch hell for replying to everything and correcting people. :facepalm:
Now I’m going to catch hell for replying to everything and correcting people.
I could go back and edit my remark, then your critiques would stand out and be meaningless. But I won't. I meant to say moot (or immaterial) but had just finished a Hershey bar and had a sugar rush.
Now I’m going to catch hell for replying to everything and correcting people.
Are you trying to scare all the nerdy regular posters away again, when they just started getting over their replyphobia?
People, reply, discuss, have fun, laugh at jokes when they're funny and stop trying so hard not to be me.
Unsurprisingly, my figures are all of naked girls.
In the words of the Kristen Forum Guru, famous for his direct responses - - -
Eat Shit
I just have to appreciate the pun. Talking about suppressors, the point is also Mute.
Never mind. I'm sure none of you guys are intellectual enough to get it, anyways.
;)Unsurprisingly, my figures are all of naked girls.
And such beautiful figures they are. Statistically, you're more likely to get laid than shot by a gunman!
Damn, does that mean you miss him?
Humans simply aren't responsible enough to have guns, or even nuclear weapons.
Three dead, one wounded in shooting on west side of Chicago. Three dead in an argument over cigarettes. Sad.
The primary purpose of a car or truck is not to kill, but to provide transportation.
Lois-Haha oh we can have all kinds of fun with this too. A gun is still only a tool and nothing more. Doesn’t matter if it’s a hammer, firearm, car or whatever. If the person behind the wheel or trigger wants to use it for killing then that’s what it will be used for. You comment is weak at best.
Airplanes are for transportation as well and look what those jets did to the Twin Towers and the people inside both the jets and the towers, and on the ground.
we should never forget the one flown into the pentagon or the one that went down in Pennsylvania either. I was using the two jets that were flown into the towers as the example.
You really should sit back and read what you type and ask yourself is this helping my argument or hurting it before you hit post.
Why would schools be such an easy target for sick individuals? How about churches or Synagogues...
Cool you own firearms. Is there a reason you chose to inform me of that?
You seem to think you’re on some kind of witch hunt...this could be a fun game.
What do you believe needs to be done if guns make it so much easier?
You said “one of the major defects” and explained how you view that one. So what other defects do you see?
Psiberzerker-who says 10 rounds is plenty.
I see you quoting Elmer but that’s an opinion.
Engaging an enemy is not always so clear cut, especially if you have no idea how many enemies there are.
As far as your good guys with a gun, if you are in the mall and someone attacks, what is your main goal?
Limiting that limits both sides but to remain legal only one side follows the law.
What happens when things don’t go as planned.
You are only looking at it from past and current situations. The 2nd amendment was written by some pretty intelligent people who didn’t limit it.
They knew technology would progress.
We don’t always know who are enemies are nor how many or how well prepared they are for what they have decide to go forward with.
Never underestimate.
Putting a limit on mag size or types of guns owned is a sure way of finding out exactly what’s needed.
May not be today or tomorrow and it may not be by those you fear.
“no fair street fight” yet you want to make sure it’s in the enemies favor.
Psiberzerker-How was the word “regulated” used in your opinion?
Psiberzerker-How was the word “regulated” used in your opinion?
As it applied to the Militia, and the Security of the State. It never referred to Civilian Self Defense. At least use all of the operative words in that quote.
Many situations have happened throughout history where the odds were against someone or a group of people, military, police, and civilians where they were “fucked” but even with the odds the came out on top.
You speak of experience yet you experiences you use are yours. There are hundreds of accounts that yes you can look up and verify where 3 to 1 odds was no problem.
I don’t have to use any experience I’ve had to prove that either but there have been multiple times I’ve take on more than one.
I don’t give two shit if it’s in battle or in civilian life, when shit hits the fan you want as much ammo as you can and still be mobile.
Are you suggesting the SCOTUS ruling is wrong?
Why are LE not limited smart guy?
Are you suggesting the SCOTUS ruling is wrong?
You'll have to be more specific. SCotUS didn't rule on the Brady Ban. It expired, and wasn't renewed. That's why it lasted for exactly 10 years.
They did rule on Background Checks, but we weren't talking about that. Yet...
I mentioned the Heller decision, which recognized the right of self defense.
(1) The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved. Pp. 22–28.
(c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous arms-bearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.
(d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms. Pp. 30–32.
(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.
(f) None of the Court’s precedents forecloses the Court’s interpretation. Neither United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, nor Presser v. Illinois, 116 U. S. 252, refutes the individual-rights interpretation. United States v. Miller, 307 U. S. 174, does not limit the right to keep and bear arms to militia purposes, but rather limits the type of weapon to which the right applies to those used by the militia, i.e., those in common use for lawful purposes.
(2) Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
(3) The handgun ban and the trigger-lock requirement (as applied to self-defense) violate the Second Amendment. The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition – in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute – would fail constitutional muster. Similarly, the requirement that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock makes it impossible for citizens to use arms for the core lawful purpose of self-defense and is hence unconstitutional. Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D.C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.
so the founding fathers didn’t consider self defense.
Break down using a dictionary what each word means “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”.
Psiberzerker- I asked what you think regulated means.
Look if you want me to answer your questions then answer mine.
Educate me big guy.
Psiberzerker- were you born with a penis or a vagina?
I would agree that there should be education for all students but I tend to disagree on the elective side. Reason being is that some kids may not choose to do it even tho their parents have firearms.
With the education there should be knowledge of what to look for in other students and all people.
I’m talking about basic firearm knowledge, safety, and operation. Leave out the shooting or limit it. Now as an elective I would say have a marksmanship team that focuses on fundamental of accurate shot placement. I don’t think there is any reason for students to be soldiers even at high school level.
I also completely agree that the firearm(s) and the child are the responsibility of the parents. Couldn’t agree more with that.
I have worked with him on identifying traits that most but not all “assholes” with a gun possess.
Marksmanship is something that can take a life time or more to master.
What we are talking about here is getting school aged kids recognizing a clear bar of acceptable behavior.
Using gun training because currently the view is guns are the problem.
Does that help you understand that the “guns” or firearms are being viewed as the problem? Honestly I’d like to know who makes that model of firearm.
I guess one could use what I said about a gun being as good or bad as the person using it and call it as you have but if someone uses a car as a tool to mass kill I’m pretty sure you just call it a car and focus hard on the person driving.
Also you spoke about response time. Does that mean these trained people should or should not be in the school in your view? I running off of memory here so I apologize if I don’t get it exactly how you typed it.
How do you think the people out there with little knowledge of firearms take to a firearm being described as “mass murder gun”?
I’d be for betting that some of your friends have little to no knowledge about them. Some of the people I know have little to no knowledge about them.
Plenty of people don’t consider it a necessity to have firearms knowledge, just as they don’t feel the need to know how to rebuild a carburetor. It doesn’t mean they can’t see the impact firearms have.
The difference is in that second amendment and why it was put there.
Psiberzerker-so you believe that had the shooter in any one of the shootings across the US where an “assault weapon “ was used that if that person had 10 round mags he would’ve kill less people?
If that mag change makes a difference on one then it also has the same difference on the other.
I’m pretty sure arms means the same then as it does today but go ahead and explain how the right of the people to keep and bear arms, infringed means something other than what it says.
There’s already a market for them and disarming Americans of their rights makes them no safer.
It’s all there man. How are not seeing that.
Your last sentence was you believe no guns, American children.
that still doesn’t take the rights of the individual to keep and bear arms out of the picture in any way shape or form.
Jed- very well typed out.
If that mag change makes a difference on one then it also has the same difference on the other.
I’m not for backing up traffic or roughing up people to get your point across.
owning maybe a 150 acres really doesn’t make you a rich white guy.
You brought up the rich white guy remark.
What’s is your hard-on for rich white guys.
So if he was a rich black guy bloodshed would’ve been fine?
first off I am dismissing your argument because you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
I wasn’t referring to my charmel
hahaha did they put a pipeline through ruby ridge and have it televised?
Damn that was supposed to say sugarlips
something I got asked a week ago that honestly I had no info at the time was the rate at which children who’ve died from sexual abuse vs children who’ve died from firearms in the US. Thoughts?
Their view was that in their research more children are killed and injured from sexual abuse vs firearms.
There is some interesting info on the web that you should look up. Would think there would be as much out cry as the children who are shot with firearms.
why is there not as much out cry for the children who’ve be affected by sexual abuse and have either died or been injured?
How effective was it? As effective as D.A.R.E.?
Are you turning a blind eye to the other ways children are mistreated because you have such a hard-on to get rid of guns?
Getting another’s perspective doesnt always have to be a debate.
That very well could be your issue is that you think it’s going to be a fight.
Correction
You prove the divide in this country is caused by your obnoxious stupidity.
Lois-man’s (and woman’s) hearts are not without flaws. You only hold those standard against him yet would have some else in there as bad or worse as what you think Trump is. You’re a fool and again with yet another post you prove it. Hahaha keep it coming dimwit
This image appeared in the UK press recently. WTF has he got on his back - a fucking bazooka :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird:(https://i.imgur.com/4jRHVWB.jpg)
This image appeared in the UK press recently. WTF has he got on his back - a fucking bazooka :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird:
(https://i.imgur.com/4jRHVWB.jpg)
If you zoom in you'll see a fancy word called "inert" on it which is of course left out of the story.
Despite what foreigners think we do not walk around carrying fuckin' miniguns to pick up some chocolate milk. Unless you have all the legal permits walking around with shit like that is probably gonna get you suicided by cop.
Despite what foreigners think we do not walk around carrying fuckin' miniguns to pick up some chocolate milk. Unless you have all the legal permits walking around with shit like that is probably gonna get you suicided by cop.
This image appeared in the UK press recently. WTF has he got on his back - a fucking bazooka :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird:
(https://i.imgur.com/4jRHVWB.jpg)
If you zoom in you'll see a fancy word called "inert" on it which is of course left out of the story.
Despite what foreigners think we do not walk around carrying fuckin' miniguns to pick up some chocolate milk. Unless you have all the legal permits walking around with shit like that is probably gonna get you suicided by cop.
Aside from the fact that I can't see that word when I zoom in. WTF was it when it wasn't inert?
Despite what foreigners think we do not walk around carrying fuckin' miniguns to pick up some chocolate milk. Unless you have all the legal permits walking around with shit like that is probably gonna get you suicided by cop.
He’s got two shoulder holsters as well. And while this is not what the typical American does, it is something the white supremacist movement does. They are arming for November. There will be bloodshed before it is over. Trump has been gaslighting his base so long, they will storm their state houses with weapons, once told that his defeat was the result of massive voter fraud by Democrats.
Americans have a right to peaceful protest. Taking guns to such protests, while legal in some states, is clearly intended as a threat. Before this is all over many of those threatening thugs are going to use their guns, and we will all be in a world of shit.
As a gun owner, I see things like these armed protests as the biggest threat to my legal gun ownership.
This image appeared in the UK press recently. WTF has he got on his back - a fucking bazooka :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird: :o :emot_weird:
(https://i.imgur.com/4jRHVWB.jpg)
If you zoom in you'll see a fancy word called "inert" on it which is of course left out of the story.
Despite what foreigners think we do not walk around carrying fuckin' miniguns to pick up some chocolate milk. Unless you have all the legal permits walking around with shit like that is probably gonna get you suicided by cop.
Aside from the fact that I can't see that word when I zoom in. WTF was it when it wasn't inert?
AT-4 rocket launcher. I had one in my truck during my deployment. It's a fire once and dump weapon
I agree taking weapons to a peaceful protest is a threat, especially in the context of these protests. They clearly did not need them for defense.
It is also proof that the right is politicising our health emergency -- they are only protesting against Democratic governors, while Rupublican governors are following the white-house guidlines too.
Ok, if I'd gone this off topic you'd have moved it all by now. :roll:
In this case, Obi, the photo is one taken other than in America, I believe.
A fire once then discard device is no longer a weapon, once fired... harmless except to agitate the anti freedom groups and individuals, seems.
In this case, Obi, the photo is one taken other than in America, I believe.
A fire once then discard device is no longer a weapon, once fired... harmless except to agitate the anti freedom groups and individuals, seems.
Sadly, it was from a video taken in North Carolina.
https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article242628341.html
Not harmless if it's used to intimidate.
First post. Re-reading older stuff and this fits the topic
https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/guy-in-online-group-that-points-loaded-guns-at-genitals-to-own-libs-accidentally-shoots-his-crotch/ (https://theguardiansofdemocracy.com/guy-in-online-group-that-points-loaded-guns-at-genitals-to-own-libs-accidentally-shoots-his-crotch/)
Again, how does papa gulf’s post belong here? His post was in response to a picture of a female shooting a desert eagle. Shouldn’t you have moved that as well? Seems odd toe
Iron dipshit, formerly known as PSI-you do realize your entire post helps my case for pretty much everything I’ve posted the last few time. Good job dimwit haha
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgdpNJrWAAAjCWS?format=jpg&name=large)
#BlackLivesMatter
#BanTheNaziFromKB
Iron dipshit, formerly known as PSI-you do realize your entire post helps my case for pretty much everything I’ve posted the last few time. Good job dimwit haha
“I’d rather be judged by 12 than carried out by six.” Most gun owners have heard that nugget of homicidal wisdom, often from the person who sold them their guns. In other words: Better to attend your own trial by jury for killing someone than your own funeral for hesitating and being killed instead.
The final count on Tuesday night in Kenosha, Wisconsin, was 12 and 12: a dozen pallbearers for two homicide victims, and 12 yet-to-be-impaneled jurors for Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old who allegedly shot them with his AR-15-style rifle. The footage of their killings is grainy and sickening. It shows, amid general mayhem and gunfire, a man who appears to shoot another with a rifle, then say into a cellphone, “I just killed somebody.” Later that same man is pursued by a mob down the center of a street. They catch up with him, he falls to the ground, and one strikes him with a skateboard. From a supine position the gunman shoots two people, one fatally. The other, blasted in the right arm, had been running at the killer with a pistol drawn.
I have seen many videos like this, and not long ago I profiled John Correia, a YouTube gun-world celebrity who has seen more videos of gun violence than perhaps any other human being who has ever lived. On YouTube and other social media, the gun channels are filled with real-life videos of violence—think Cops, with all the boring parts edited out and most of the violent parts unblurred. I could say that these scenes never cease to sicken, but the truth is that one gets used to them after a while. Rittenhouse, who was arrested yesterday, was reportedly a gun enthusiast and active on social media in support of Blue Lives Matter. I don’t know whether Rittenhouse spent his free time watching people pulling guns on one another, but I know from experience that these videos are hugely popular in the gun world that he was part of, and if you watch one, you probably watch hours of them.
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The availability of these videos is perhaps the biggest change in gun culture in our lifetimes, and one of the results is mayhem like this. The shift has suddenly made violence against humans (as opposed to animals) imaginable—whereas in the past, most people could live their whole life without witnessing or taking part in a gunfight. The videos emphasize the bad things that can happen to you if your draw time is too slow, or your magazine too small. Now one can watch videos and imagine oneself not stalking a deer but defending others, in improbable heroic scenarios once limited to action movies.
That is the fantasy that seemed to have motivated Rittenhouse’s trip to Kenosha. He was interviewed hours before the shooting by The Daily Caller’s Richie McGinniss. He explained his presence in Kenosha by saying that “people are getting injured, and our job is to protect this business.” He looks preposterously young for this role, not like some ’roid-crazed militiaman but like a kid who has somehow guessed that the code to his father’s gun locker is his own birthday. Rittenhouse has been called a “white supremacist,” but none of his comments during interviews at the scene mention race. (Other comments may surface later, and his social-media accounts reportedly show plenty of sympathy for cops, and none for the protesters.) Instead his comments mention what is by far the most common topic in gun-enthusiast channels, which is what to do to preserve life and property using guns.
Before the advent of these videos, to be a concealed carrier meant entering uncharted cognitive territory. If you have never walked around with a gun in your pocket, you probably have poor intuitions about how it feels—the power; the discomfort of having a hunk of metal or plastic impeding your gait and mobility; most of all, the sense of responsibility. The writer Dan Baum strapped on a .38 in the course of researching a 2013 book on gun culture and described the experience well:
Everything around me appeared brilliantly sharp, the colors extra rich, the contrasts shockingly stark. I could hear footsteps on the pavement two blocks away ... It made me more organized. Wearing the gun, I was Mr. Together. There was no room for screwing up when I was equipped to kill.
Baum would avoid trouble, because he didn’t want to be anywhere near a fistfight, unstable people, or anything that might raise the possibility that he would fire his gun. The feeling of empowerment comes with a wearying imperative of caution: You do not seek out danger, and instead you live the most boring life possible, to avoid using the murder machine you have for some reason decided to attach awkwardly to your midsection.
What distinguishes Baum, who crossed the street to avoid violence, from Rittenhouse, who carried openly and crossed state lines to find violence? One is a seersucker-wearing, middle-aged journalist, and the other is an adolescent. The other salient difference, though, is that at 17, Rittenhouse has never known a world where owning a gun did not go along with what is sometimes known as the “sheepdog mentality”—the belief that your gun exists to protect others, and that you should rush in to perform that duty. Many of the gun videos you find online emphasize exactly this, to an audience of men.
The channels are not sinister in themselves. Correia combines old-fashioned moralism—including regular reminders that you are accountable to Jesus and the law for every round you fire, and that acts of brutality toward the vulnerable are among the worst you can commit—with extreme violence. I came away from a day with Correia thinking that the world is probably a safer place because he is packing heat.
But the videos themselves are insidious. Most people in the United States, allowing for wild variation in race, class, and education, are victims of violence only very rarely. Watching the videos, however, invites you to simulate violence at an extraordinary rate, much higher than we are mentally equipped to manage. (Correia himself has seen tens of thousands of them, and he posts a new one to his channel about once or twice a day.) The effect of these videos is to habituate viewers to that violence, to train them to imagine themselves in it. Training yourself to imagine something makes it seem more likely to happen, and primes your instincts to react to it—and, I suspect, initiate that violent reaction and overdo it when circumstances could be resolved more peacefully.
Rittenhouse appears to have been living in a fantasy world where police and car dealerships are more endangered than unarmed Black men in traffic stops, and where he was a warrior and self-defender, rather than a youngster who foolishly enrolled himself in a midwestern version of the Children’s Crusade. I can only imagine his fear when he saw the crowd coming for him—and the crowd’s fear, when it saw that a near-child was wildly firing a rifle better suited to a person with judgment and good training. I do not expect that the jury will be forgiving.
Edit: fuck you ya little cum sucker
Edit: fuck you ya little cum sucker
Given the username, there’s irony in that you constantly seek to engage in battles of wit, yet always show up unarmed?
It’s always the last place you look.
Lousiana police found a loaded concealed handgun inside a suspect’s buttocks during a strip search after he was arrested on other charges.
Following a call about “suspicious activity,” Justin Savoie, 24, was taken into custody by Golden Meadow police on Dec. 28, 2019, for possession of a handgun, marijuana and drug paraphernalia. Multiple handguns and “homemade silencers” were also found inside his truck. However, the surprises continued to pile up for investigators.
During a follow up strip search at the Lafourche Parish Sheriff’s Office, a 4-inch .25 Titan pistol was found inside his bum, officers said.
According to The Smoking Gun, Savoie pleaded guilty and received a five-year suspended sentence on Friday. He also received three years probation and an order to serve 90 days in the Lafourche Parish jail.
As part of his probation, he is barred from owning firearms, visiting bars, ingesting excessive amounts of alcohol and using illegal drugs.
As part of his probation, he is barred from owning firearms, visiting bars, ingesting excessive amounts of alcohol
Louisiana man hid loaded handgun in his butt: cops (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-butt-gun-louisiana-man-hid-marijuana-police-20200920-hf2ltsqamvcghpx42nkp7b3rqa-story.html)
Louisiana man hid loaded handgun in his butt: cops (https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-butt-gun-louisiana-man-hid-marijuana-police-20200920-hf2ltsqamvcghpx42nkp7b3rqa-story.html)
Good lord. How is this possible?
Ever see a man's dump in the toilet?
Ever see a man's dump in the toilet?
At a very young age I swore off out-houses & porta potty's because I just can't handle seeing a 2 foot pile of poop.
Ever see a man's dump in the toilet?
Ummm nope, never want to either.
At a very young age I swore off out-houses & porta potty's because I just can't handle seeing a 2 foot pile of poop. I'll be like a bear and poop in the woods before I ever go into another porta potty again.
When I was overseas, the company that was hired to clean the porta potties stopped when their contract expired. It took weeks before they were able to negotiate a new contract. During that time the porta potties became unbelievable. Overflowing with mess. I want to gag just remembering it.BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THIS 👆 REMINDED ME OF THIS👇!