oral with fishy girls

[IrishGirl]

And dryness can be a cause of odor.

it isn't exclusive of odor, which is a separate problem.  However, dryness is a simple enough problem to solve (Like you said, lube) that it doesn't really need it's own thread, unless you'd like to reccomend specific commercial products that work best for you.

It doesn't really take an "Expert" to discus lube.  If it's not slippery enough, ad more lube.  It works as an expert on hydraulic systems, too.  However, this is Sex talk.  Don't be disappointed when people want to talk, as experts, or not, about vaginas here.

OK, you know more about my vagina than I do.  Thanks.

I'll refrain from posting outside politics.  This was my mistake.

[psiberzerker]

I'll refrain from posting outside politics.

Please don't.  I don't want you to feel pushed out of anywhere, least of all Sex talk.  You don't want advice from me, fine.  But please don't stop because of me, I'll even offer to stop offering you advice because it makes you uncomfortable.

I'll stay out of your business, so you can get help with it from someone else.  Peace.

[IrishGirl]

I'll refrain from posting outside politics.

Please don't.  I don't want you to feel pushed out of anywhere, least of all Sex talk.  You don't want advice from me, fine.  But please don't stop because of me, I'll even offer to stop offering you advice because it makes you uncomfortable.

I'll stay out of your business, so you can get help with it from someone else.  Peace.

Well, I'm not a fan of men (save doctors) explaining how my body works...and I extend that to transgender without vaginas.  Especially those that compare it to an asshole.

Thank you no.  I'm fine with you being a bitch on the political boards, but I'm not going to bring it across EVERY thread.

[psiberzerker]

Thank you no.  I'm fine with you being a bitch on the political boards, but I'm not going to bring it across EVERY thread.

I promise, you can hold me to this:

As long as it's not Political, I will leave you alone here.  So, you can discus Sex, what this board is all about, without me making you uncomfortable, and I'm sorry.  I appologise for making you uncomfortable with my attempt to be helpful.

Talk about sex, freely, even if that means I have to hold my tongue.  Deal?  If you need help, it's more important to me that you get it from someone.

[IrishGirl]

Thank you no.  I'm fine with you being a bitch on the political boards, but I'm not going to bring it across EVERY thread.

I promise, you can hold me to this:

As long as it's not Political, I will leave you alone here.  So, you can discus Sex, what this board is all about, without me making you uncomfortable, and I'm sorry.  I appologise for making you uncomfortable with my attempt to be helpful.

Talk about sex, freely, even if that means I have to hold my tongue.  Deal?  If you need help, it's more important to me that you get it from someone.

I've tried to make that deal with you multiple times before.  Excuse me if I don't trust it.

And for the record, it wasn't uncomfortable, but offending in the way that men think they can legislate my body.

[psiberzerker]

And for the record, it wasn't uncomfortable, but offending in the way that men think they can legislate my body.

All right, offended then.  I apologise, sincerely for offending you.

Please don't misgender me.  I understand, I honestly agree with you that not having a vagina, and comparing that to anal was offensive.  Just please stop misgendering me.  It's no excuse for being offensive out of revenge.  You know that offends me, you've done it before.

[MissBarbara]

And for the record, it wasn't uncomfortable, but offending in the way that men think they can legislate my body.

All right, offended then.  I apologise, sincerely for offending you.

Please don't misgender me.  I understand, I honestly agree with you that not having a vagina, and comparing that to anal was offensive.  Just please stop misgendering me.  It's no excuse for being offensive out of revenge.  You know that offends me, you've done it before.

At the risk of belaboring this point, it has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with biology.

Though these comments are not directed at you personally, I have twice in real life been in situations where I've heard a trans woman explain (and I'm tempted to write "mansplain") facts of female biology where their knowledge of female anatomy and female bodily functions (and female sexual desires) are purely theoretical, and frequently belied by real experiences of biological females. I don't find it uncomfortable or offensive, but I do find it very annoying.

Vaginal dryness, even after arousal, is a real issue, and a not uncommon issue. And for women who suffer from this issue, an entire bucket of spit isn't going to make her comfortable, or resolve the issue. And, since IG clearly understands both the nature of and the solution to the problem, empathy and understanding, rather than advice, is, in my opinion, the most appropriate response.

[psiberzerker]

I'm sorry.  I can't say that enough, but again.  She called me a Man, she knows that's offensive, and she's apologised for it before.  I apologised before.  I'm glad you resisted the urge to say "Mansplain" and just threatened me with it, but the issue is resolved, we have agreed to disagree, and now I'm staying out of Politics, so she can have her say without being triggered by me quoting her.

I'm severely tempted to argue now.  I got drawn into it with her, I don't want to be taunted into it with you.  So, can we just leave this a thread about odor, or shall we make it one about TERFs now too?

My gender is not up for debate, and for someone who doesn't want to talk about her Vagina, she has a nasty habit of talking about her vagina.  Her panty dropping "Guess I won't need these" profile picture is not the sort of face that someone avoiding sex wears.  

Which reminds me, I came here to read, and write Sex Stories.  You can keep your Identity Politics to yourselves.  Peace.

[MissBarbara]

I'm sorry.  I can't say that enough, but again.  She called me a Man, she knows that's offensive, and she's apologised for it before.  I apologised before.  I'm glad you resisted the urge to say "Mansplain" and just threatened me with it, but the issue is resolved, we have agreed to disagree, and now I'm staying out of Politics, so she can have her say without being triggered by me quoting her.

I'm severely tempted to argue now.  I got drawn into it with her, I don't want to be taunted into it with you.  So, can we just leave this a thread about odor, or shall we make it one about TERFs now too?

My gender is not up for debate, and for someone who doesn't want to talk about her Vagina, she has a nasty habit of talking about her vagina.  Her panty dropping "Guess I won't need these" profile picture is not the sort of face that someone avoiding sex wears. 

You must have missed the part where I wrote, "these comments are not directed at you personally." I meant what I said.

And it isn't even about you, as I took pains to point out. Both female sexual problems -- and that, after all, is the title of this sub-board -- and the tendency for tansgender women OTHER THAN YOU to explain female biological issues "from a woman's point of view" are actual phenomena, phenomena that are worthy of discussion and, perhaps more important, understanding. 

And neither am I taunting you. Again, it's not about you. You've made a great many interesting observations and insights in many of KB's sub-boards, and I am far from alone in appreciating them, and from appreciating then somewhat unique viewpoint you bring to the Board. I've always tried to refer to you using the words and pronouns that you prefer. And, on top of that, as a cisgender person, I know that I cannot possibly experientially understand what it is like to be transgender. That's why, on posts regarding this "issue," I almost always simply read and try to understand, rather than responding.

Nor am I trying to "draw you in," or start an argument. What's to argue about? What's wrong with discussing sexual problems on a sub-board titled "Sexual Problems" -- regardless who the poster is, or what her "past history" is? 

This sub-board serves a huge purpose, and it is highly valuable. In fact, I'd label it "important" -- important for people seeking advice on personal problems, and important for others trying to understand sexual problems that others face. There's little need here for sexual politics or gender politics, or for name-calling or arguments.

[psiberzerker]

All right, then call it "Sex" problems in the sense of "Opposite Sex."  I don't have one, but that's beside the point.  I need to stay out of it, because despite the fact that I operate vaginas, regularly, and use my mouth to augment the natural lubrication, I'm not qualified to comment.

Got that, so I won't.  I like the odor.  Back on topic, unless it's particularly rancid, or dangerously unmaintained, it's a part of the sex, for me.  I like the flavor too, though it tends to be subtle, at least compared to the exaggerations you read in sex stories, but fantasies are exaggerated.  Nobody has a little dick, just about every girl is blond, and a pet peeve of mine is actually little girls dripping wet when that doesn't even start until puberty.  (However, that being said ignorance of little girl's anatomy is a good sign, that they've never actually molested little girls, and therefore can only imagine them as wet, and juicy like adult women can get.)

I was speaking as a sex therapist.  Who among other things treats Pedophiles for their urges, and a FAQ is why don't they get wet?  The answer is because they aren't physically mature enough for sex, and you need to stay away from little girls, if you can't control your urges.  That goes for anyone, male female, or other.  (And little girls too.)

Vaginal dryness is another issue I've had to deal with, Professionaly.  That doesn't make me an "Expert," nor have I ever claimed to be, but it is something I have dealt with, Orally.

"Fishy girls" is something I have never encountered.  Only heard about, primarily from Misogynists, mansplaining why a pussy isn't good enough, and making excuses for avoiding foreplay.

Just #Transplaining why it's so easy to be drawn into such discussions, and I need to control my urges.  Fortunately, I have an outlet for that, I can always go back to writing the Sex Stories that brought me here in the first place.

[Jed_]

At the risk of belaboring this point, it has nothing to do with gender, and everything to do with biology.

Though these comments are not directed at you personally, I have twice in real life been in situations where I've heard a trans woman explain (and I'm tempted to write "mansplain") facts of female biology where their knowledge of female anatomy and female bodily functions (and female sexual desires) are purely theoretical, and frequently belied by real experiences of biological females. I don't find it uncomfortable or offensive, but I do find it very annoying.

Vaginal dryness, even after arousal, is a real issue, and a not uncommon issue. And for women who suffer from this issue, an entire bucket of spit isn't going to make her comfortable, or resolve the issue. And, since IG clearly understands both the nature of and the solution to the problem, empathy and understanding, rather than advice, is, in my opinion, the most appropriate response.

Empathy, and not unwanted and exceedingly obtuse advice, is exactly the appropriate response.

Just like the time I was castigated for suggesting my penis actually being erect might have anything to do with pleasing my girlfriend, and as if it never occurred to me my tongue and fingers could be used too.  I guess I was supposed to flush my Viagra down the toilet?  I was so angry I left this site for a month to avoid lashing out.

And since I’m a person she has confiding in, I know the horrific details of why she’s dry.

[psiberzerker]

Just like the time I was castigated for suggesting my penis actually being erect might have anything to do with pleasing my girlfriend, and as if it never occurred to me my tongue and fingers could be used too.  I guess I was supposed to flush my Viagra down the toilet?

No, again that wasn't directed at YOU.  It was to the thread, and do you want to talk about it now?  Because last time, that didn't go vey well, and I'm trying NOT to make this yet another gangbang Psiberzerker thread.  

That's 3 now.  3 people who would rather talk about how I'm a wretched human being, and bring up every perceived slight from the past, because sometimes I'm not clear.

Anyone else want to pile on, or does someone want to go back to Talk about Sex?  How about Athos, anyone else?  No?  Then fucking drop it.

I'm sorry, to the entire forum.  All of you, I'm sorry.  If you like, I can leave, and find somewhere else to compulsively write smut stories. 

[IrishGirl]

Maybe you two are coming at it from two separate directions.  One where biology is science and the other where it is just a social construct.

[psiberzerker]

One where biology is science and the other where it is just a social construct.

I don't understand this.  Would you please explain?  The science of Biology is a social construct.  Science is an attempt at understanding better.  The actual biological functions went on long before we started playing with fire, and will probably continue long after our society burns itself out.

[Jed_]

No, again that wasn't directed at YOU.  It was to the thread

 because sometimes I'm not clear.

You were very clearly talking to me.  No one would have interpreted it any other way.

And a couple days ago the Irish slut called me ‘Oppressor’ quoting me in the process making it a clear response to me, an inside joke with us, and you replied to the ‘insult’ as if it was directed at you?

You don’t have to act like an expert on everything and constantly tell people what they should do with your faux expertise, and not everything people say is always about you.

[psiberzerker]

You don’t have to act like an expert on everything and constantly tell people what they should do with your faux expertise, and not everything people say is always about you.

Fine, you done?  Anyone else?  Okay, then.  I'm trying to stay out of this, because i just got in trouble for acting like an expert, here.  I'll stop responding just as soon as all 3 of you stop calling me out specifically.  I'm not the one making this thread about me.

I get it.  Moving on...

[MissBarbara]

That's 3 now.  3 people who would rather talk about how I'm a wretched human being, and bring up every perceived slight from the past, because sometimes I'm not clear.

Anyone else want to pile on, or does someone want to go back to Talk about Sex?  How about Athos, anyone else?  No?  Then fucking drop it.

I'm sorry, to the entire forum.  All of you, I'm sorry.  If you like, I can leave, and find somewhere else to compulsively write smut stories. 

Oh for fuck's sake! Stop apologizing, and stop acting like a wounded puppy with its tail between its legs just because someone dared to offer an opinion or insight that differed from yours.

Did you miss this part of my response?

You've made a great many interesting observations and insights in many of KB's sub-boards, and I am far from alone in appreciating them, and from appreciating then somewhat unique viewpoint you bring to the Board. I've always tried to refer to you using the words and pronouns that you prefer. And, on top of that, as a cisgender person, I know that I cannot possibly experientially understand what it is like to be transgender. That's why, on posts regarding this "issue," I almost always simply read and try to understand, rather than responding.

I meant every word of that.

You are free to post what you want, where you want, and when you want. And you are free to respond to others' posts and comments however you want and whenever you want.

But please understand that when someone offers a different, or even contradictory, opinion, it's not always a personal attack. It is, most of the time, simply a discussion.

[psiberzerker]

I hear you, loud and clear, but I need a break.  Okay?  For me, I just need to write some therapy, that's all, so forgive me if I stop responding for a while.

Also, thank you.

[frenchfry54]

Well.... I LOVE going down on my girlfriend... nothing fishy... but I love the difference in taste after she has an orgasm.... A bit more tangy.... more body... kinda like a cup of Starbucks... Vs DD!  Then I venture south.... might be a little tangy... always a pleasure for both of us!

[psiberzerker]

I especially love when a clean, and dry woman responds to my mouth.  Fresh out of the shower, then I can smell her getting turned on in her fresh clean pubes.  Feel the blood flowing into her vulva, then the juices start flowing out to replace my saliva (Which I can't taste)  Becumming stronger, and stronger, until finally she climaxes, and with that reaches the peak of her flavor.

Then, I fuck her.  (Thinking of an ex-client of mine, I especially enjoyed doing this with.  Back when I was still in that business, I might give her a call, for a freebie.  Now, I kinda miss her...)