The Trump thread: All things Donald

[psiberzerker]

He does not serve at the pleasure of the President.  He's not the President's Personal Attorney.  He's the Attorney General of the United States.  He serves the United States.

[Jed_]

He does not serve at the pleasure of the President.  He's not the President's Personal Attorney.  He's the Attorney General of the United States.  He serves the United States.

Are sure the AG of the US’s job isn’t (and paraphrasing Abraham Lincoln here) to ensure that the government of Trump, by Trump, for Trump, shall not perish from the earth?

[psiberzerker]

Pretty sure, though Goldfinger probably sees it differently.

[Jed_]

Pretty sure, though Goldfinger probably sees it differently.

I probably just gave him his new campaign slogan.

[psiberzerker]

Too many words to remember.  He likes things you can put on a trucker hat.

[Lois]

Is Trumpism a Cult?

[joan1984]

Check your internet sources, and if you don't discover it there, expand your search.

The Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the President. Period.

As had every Attorney General of the United States... Janet Lynch, Janet Reno, Jeff Sessions, all the Executive Appointments and Cabinet Members.
Includes the position of FBI Director, and Deputy Director, and US Attorney, by the way. Oh, and Special Counsel Mueller served at the pleasure of the President of the United States, as well.

Civics, eh?  Get over it.

He does not serve at the pleasure of the President.  He's not the President's Personal Attorney.  He's the Attorney General of the United States.  He serves the United States.

[psiberzerker]

He's not a king, there is no throne in the oval office.  The president serves the people too, or he should.

[joan1984]

President Trump took the same oath as virtually all take, regarding his office.
There may be some verbiage differences, and all those in Service to the U.S. take the oath as specified in Article 2, U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Changes include typically the Name of the individual making the Oath.
"so help me God". was added by George Washington when he took the same oath, and has been added by others when taking the oath as well.

It is all about the Constitution.

He's not a king, there is no throne in the oval office.  The president serves the people too, or he should.

[psiberzerker]

It is all about the Constitution.

   Right.  You bet!

[Lois]

Indeed, the Attorney General does serve at the pleasure of the POTUS.  But thid doesn mean he serves for the personal gain or vendettas of the POTUS. 

[joan1984]

Of course this is true.

Unlike Eric Holder, AG Barr is not the President's "wingman".

Indeed, the Attorney General does serve at the pleasure of the POTUS.  But thid doesn mean he serves for the personal gain or vendettas of the POTUS. 

[Lois]

Projection does not work well for you, Joan.

It is documented that Trump demands "personal loyalty", not loyalty to the Constitution.  He is beyond such abstractions as holding to ideals in a mere document.  He's all about what Trump wants and does not care how he gets it.  That's why he doesn't like the "fake" Emoluments Clause.  It just gets in his way.

[joan1984]

  Which United States Constitutionathatl laws has President Trump BROKEN? How is it, that he has not been called out by an authority for such law breaking?

  Mr. Mueller studied President Trump, and his entire staff, prior to, during his 2016 Campaign, after his election, and after President Trump's Innauguration, up to mere months ago, and did not charge our President with any lawbreaking.

  In fact, found no lawbreaking among the President's WhiteHouse staff. The FBI Chief remains FIRED, no legal challenge to any personal act of the Presidient and what legal action has been attempted, largely via rogue leftist Judges who attempt to thwart Nationwide Policy via misuse of their office, have only served to delay and increase the cost for all Americans by their actions.

  Understand you do not like Mr. Trump. And, your like or dislike is immaterial in this case. Tell your Representative, and Senators, what you think, and why, and why they should intervene for cause... they need cause...

  Choose someone you think you do support, and vote for that person, next Presidential election, coming up in the not so distant future.

  Meanwhile, support the Office Of The President, and your Senators, and your Representatives, and help the United States function as a Nation of Laws, not men. This session Democrats have avoided law making, legislating to benefit us all, and have obstructed in every imaginable manner, hoping that is what YOU and other Democrats wish them to do... and not what they said they would do when running for the office.

  If there is law breaking, it will be dealt with, in a legal manner, eventually.
Shutting down legislation by the House, and the Senate, is not the answer.
Hopefully, voters will judge existing legislators/Senators by the actions taken in support of their constituents, and purge from office those obstructionists.

[Jed_]

[Lois]

Read the emoluments clause Joan, he violated that and it is in the Constitution.  He violated it when he solicited a foreign government to investigate a political opponent. He certainly did not ask for this "favor though" because he was concerned about corruption.

The President is not exempt from other laws either, and Mueller made it clear, he would have indicted Trump for obstruction, if Trump was not president.

Other violations of the law ..... mmmm

How about paying off Stormy Daniels? This is likely a campaign finance law violation.

And there is the recent arrests of Rudi Gulliani's associates - using a shell corporation to funnel Russian money into Trump's campaign.  Did Trump know about this?

Keeping two sets of books for the Trump organization is also illegal.  He used one set to get bank loans and the other set to argue he did not have to pay taxes because he was loosing money.  If I recall correctly, Enron got nailed for this and executives went to jail.

And then there is running a charity and using it as a slush fund for himself.

And why was the US Airforce told to use Trump's resorts for they layovers in the UK, and not the AF base?  Sounds like another emoluments violation to me.

[joan1984]

  The President, with 25 others in his Administration and the US Government listening in, sought cooperation from Ukraine in the investigation underway at DOJ currently, regarding our 2016 Election, and events leading up to it, and continuing after the Election, and through the Transition, and post Transition.

  The Ukraine and US have a treaty regarding investigation of corruption, and his reminder of said understanding between our Nations happens to include the former Vice President, by his own admission performing Quid Pro Quo with the then Ukraine leader(s), in order to remove a Ukraine Prosecutor, who had been investigating VP Biden's Son and his association with a Ukraine company at the time.

  The 'favor' was a reminder for expected cooperation with our Justice Dept investigators now, and then, in Ukraine and in other Nations as well.

  I thought you wanted to get to the bottom of the 2016 Election Campaign, and Election, Transition, and the early Presidency of Donald Trump... So does HE. The near constant accusations by Democrats and Deep State of all stripes require a full accounting. Let the chips fall where they may.

  There has never been a successful Emoluments Clause prosecution, and the current efforts by Democrats in the US House likely will be the latest failure.

  Lots  you do not like about Hillary losing the election in 2016. Stuff happens.
Lots we all do not know in detail about the Election Campaigns, and we all want to find out.

  Meanwhile, the efforts to protect our Country continue, overseas and on the borders at home. Black Unemployment is at its lowest rate, Black employment is at its peak in the United States in all time; same for other minority groups, as the Economy helps raise the status of all Americans.

  Let us all pray that the Economy continues in a positive way, and move forward together.

[joan1984]

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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The above is known as The Emoluments Clause, in our current discussions.
Also known as "The Foreign Emoluments Clause".

[psiberzerker]

 The President, with 25 others in his Administration and the US Government listening in, sought cooperation from Ukraine in the investigation underway at DOJ currently, regarding our 2016 Election, and events leading up to it, and continuing after the Election, and through the Transition, and post Transition.

This is illegal.  Soliciting election interference from a foreign power.  We don't want foreign powers, whether it's Russia, or Ukraine, to interfere with our elections.  Not in 2016, and not in 2020.  That's espionage, a kind of treason.  Another word for it would be COLLUDING with a foreign power, to influence the elections.

 The Ukraine and US have a treaty regarding investigation of corruption, and his reminder of said understanding between our Nations happens to include the former Vice President, by his own admission performing Quid Pro Quo with the then Ukraine leader(s), in order to remove a Ukraine Prosecutor, who had been investigating VP Biden's Son and his association with a Ukraine company at the time.

Adding Quid Pro Quo to it (I'd like to see a copy of this Treaty, also that's not what Treaty means) doesn't make it any more legal.  Incidentally, that means exchanging favors.  Which is also illegal, in this context.

 The 'favor' was a reminder for expected cooperation with our Justice Dept investigators now, and then, in Ukraine and in other Nations as well.

IDKWTF he even expects the Ukraine to do for the Department of Judice, but the only corruption involved in this whole thing is the President's.  Again, foreign government are not, and shall not to be interfering in our elections.

 I thought you wanted to get to the bottom of the 2016 Election Campaign, and Election, Transition, and the early Presidency of Donald Trump...

Joe Biden wasn't running for president in 2016.  http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/06/politics/joe-biden-regrets-not-running-for-president/index.html  He had absolutely nothing to do with the Russian involvement in that, but you know who did?  The President.

[psiberzerker]

Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8:

No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
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The above is known as The Emoluments Clause, in our current discussions.
Also known as "The Foreign Emoluments Clause".

Ukraine isn't a Monarchy.  It hasn't been since 1918.